Trump Administration Backs GOP Governors’ Supreme Court Bid to Repeal Obamacare

By | June 26, 2020

  • June 26, 2020 at 9:21 am
    PolarBeaRepeal says:
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    Note to opponents of this action: there ARE plenty of options to replace ACA.

    • June 26, 2020 at 10:02 am
      Rosenblatt says:
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      Prey tell…if the court rules in Trump’s favor, how long will people with preexisting conditions not have coverage until the replacement plan is finally voted on in both chambers and implemented as a law?

      • June 26, 2020 at 10:43 am
        rob says:
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        HELLLLTH CCCARE SPECIFFFICCCS. It’s Yogi’s plan that for some reason hasn’t been made public yet, but it’s coming unless the Soros-funded BOTs try to stop it. Just wait…

        • June 26, 2020 at 11:11 am
          Jon says:
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          LOL a meme I saw the other day reminded me of polar so hard

          Conservative: You’re just a BOT. An ANTIFA SUPER SOLDIER. All you want is to make a GAY ORGY COLONY IN SPACE

          Progressives: noooooo stop calling me names that are cool as %$#

          Conservative: You are SHARK that likes CIGARETTES

          I got a good chuckle.

        • June 26, 2020 at 11:43 am
          Rosenblatt says:
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          rob – according to a prior Polar post, the plan(s) can’t be released due to copy-write laws even though there have been a total of ZERO laws in the history of our country where such protection was used. Also, hahahaha, great reply.

          But seriously Polar … how long will people with preexisting conditions not have coverage until the replacement plan is finally voted on in both chambers and implemented as a law?

        • June 29, 2020 at 2:52 pm
          Bob says:
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          They have been made public many times. The democrats always complain that less folks will have insurance (since there will be no mandate) and much of the time, CBO says it will lower costs, one of the CBO ratings were it would bring down premiums 9%. There are plans and this gets really old really fast.

          You either have a system in which people work their way up, or, where everybody takes from those who do…The aca encourages the former rather than the later.

          We already have the 1985 bill pertaining to getting care if you need it. Our system is already fine. What is not fine are the areas the government keeps trying to control, and inflating premiums for those who do buy insurance.

      • June 26, 2020 at 11:52 am
        Captain Planet says:
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        C’mon, Rosenblatt. This is the perfect conservative plan during a time of a pandemic. Deny people coverage. Duh!

        • June 27, 2020 at 6:47 am
          PolarBeaRepeal says:
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          ‘Deny people coverage’ is a lie for two reasons.

          Coverage is ALWAYS available at the right price.

          It is a lie. Those who cannot afford treatments are given free treatments in an ER or hospital or clinic. The providers absorb the costs and pass them along to other customers in the form of expense loads. In conclusion, coverage occurs in the form of treatment under various laws that results in ‘coverage’ paid for by other patients.

        • June 29, 2020 at 7:27 am
          PolarBeaRepeal says:
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          Liberals ignore the fact that Obama’s thugs writing the ACA denied people coverage that he 29 times promised people could keep “if you like your plan”.

        • June 29, 2020 at 11:06 am
          Rosenblatt says:
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          “Those who cannot afford treatments are given free treatments in an ER or hospital or clinic.”

          Please tell me the name of ONE hospital that provides FREE TREATMENTS to people who can’t afford it.

          • June 29, 2020 at 12:27 pm
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            Goo-gul it.

          • June 29, 2020 at 12:40 pm
            Rosenblatt says:
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            So, no, you won’t or you can’t. Got it. “Thanks” for not being willing to back up your arguments with any facts.

          • June 29, 2020 at 1:50 pm
            Bob says:
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            *sigh* you know this is true Rosenblatt, and you’ve made the argument before that it gets passed on one way or the other. The issue is, Obamacare adds another layer AND forces those people to buy insurance. So there are more costs.

            Also, it’s called Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act of 1985.

            He doesn’t have to list a single hospital. It’s pretty much any hospital which accepts Medicare.

          • June 29, 2020 at 3:27 pm
            Rosenblatt says:
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            Bob – Uninsured Patient A (no Medicare, no COBRA – nothing) who has $100 in savings goes to the ER and receives treatment. The bill is $3,000. Where does the hospital send the bill?

            According to you…..it goes to Medicare???

            According to Polar….it goes nowhere?? “those who cannot afford treatments are given free treatments in an ER or hospital.”?

            According to me, it gets sent to the Patient who likely has to negotiate a payment plan or who gets sent to collections because they can’t pay.

            I’d love to know where uninsured people who can’t afford treatment can go to the ER in the USA and not see a bill like Polar just claimed.

          • June 30, 2020 at 11:54 am
            Rosenblatt says:
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            Still waiting for Polar to share the name of just one ER or Hospital that won’t bill a patient who doesn’t have any insurance and will “give free treatments” for “those who cannot afford [them].”

          • June 30, 2020 at 9:56 pm
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            Trollsenblatt can wait forever because he ignored Bob’s statement of fact.

          • July 1, 2020 at 8:15 am
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            What “bob fact” is that — that a completely uninsured person’s medical bills will be paid by Medicare even if they have no insurance?

          • July 1, 2020 at 1:54 pm
            Bob says:
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            “What “bob fact” is that — that a completely uninsured person’s medical bills will be paid by Medicare even if they have no insurance?”

            That is not what I said Rosenblatt. Any hospital which accepts Medicare has to give free coverage, as per the 1985 bill. Medicare isn’t the payor, it’s the coverage trigger. The reason I leave after I post is you always twist what I say, and then whine and @#%@ about it. But you clearly knew this bill exists, you’ve made the argument before that hospitals which provide free care are subsidizing care, so why does it matter if we force insurance companies to do it? I know you made this argument. The answer: It adds another layer, an inefficient one, it actually adds two, the insurance company, and the government.

            You’re wrong. You don’t admit it. I don’t care to stay.

            My statement of fact was correct. This is so stupid.

          • July 1, 2020 at 3:08 pm
            Rosenblatt says:
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            PLEASE ANSWER THIS BOB

            Uninsured person A — not on medicare nor medicaid, not even COBRA — goes to the ER. ER treats Person A.

            While the ER accepts Medicare from other patients, a reminder here that Person A does not have Medicare.

            So….

            Does the ER bill Person A directly, or does the ER toss out the bill entirely because they provide free care like Polar claims?

          • July 2, 2020 at 9:40 am
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            Rosenblatt says:
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            PLEASE ANSWER THIS BOB

            Uninsured person A — not on medicare nor medicaid, not even COBRA — goes to the ER. ER treats Person A.

            While the ER accepts Medicare from other patients, a reminder here that Person A does not have Medicare.

            So….

            Does the ER bill Person A directly, or does the ER toss out the bill entirely because they provide free care like Polar claims?

            **************

            Goo-gul it.

      • June 26, 2020 at 6:06 pm
        Craig Winston Cornell says:
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        Answer to Rosenblatt: preexisting conditions will continue to be covered. Your ignorance on the subject is showing.

        Trump admitted he was in favor of covering preexisting conditions, as are most Americans. We don’t need a bloated, bankrupt, overly expensive plan like Obamacare to have coverage for preexisting conditions. That part is simple.

        Glad to help.

        • June 26, 2020 at 9:34 pm
          PolarBeaRepeal says:
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          “Coverage for people with pre-existing conditions will be dropped.”
          “There’s no plan being offered by those who want to repeal ACA.”

          Those are ONLY TWO of the misleading statements (i.e. lies) liberals make about the efforts non-liberal Capitalists are making to REPEAL and REPLACE the miserable failure ACA with a viable solution.

          None of the liberal Socialists and radical Communists who comment on this board have offered ANY solutions to the ACA mess. The suggestion ‘expand MediCare For All (ages)’ is another plan destined to fail miserably. Look north to Canada for proof. I’ve talked to a Canadian about their Health Care System. It’s nothing like Liberal Socialists claim about M4All.

        • June 27, 2020 at 7:00 am
          PolarBeaRepeal says:
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          Craig: ” Answer to Rosenblatt: preexisting conditions will continue to be covered. Your ignorance on the subject is showing. ”

          It isn’t ignorance, per se. It’s trolling. Please don’t feed the trolls.

        • June 30, 2020 at 12:00 pm
          Rosenblatt says:
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          Follow me through this Craig & Polar…

          Trump’s admin is currently in court requesting a complete reversal of the ACA, INCLUDING removal of coverage for pre-existing conditions.

          Let’s say they win on August 1 and the super-duper failure that is the ACA is struck down in its entirety.

          Pre-existing conditions MAY be required to be covered again once the Republican’s get final approval for their plan and it’s implemented as law.

          Carriers will not be forced to cover patients with pre-existing conditions once the ACA is overturned until there’s a new law mandating they cover those folks.

          So again, how long will people with preexisting conditions not have coverage until the replacement plan is finally voted on in both chambers and implemented as a law? 2 months? 6 months? 1 year?

          • June 30, 2020 at 10:12 pm
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            Bob wrote very clearly that coverage isn’t necessary when medical treatment providers are obligated to treat anyone who needs it. Your incessant word parsing and unjustified demands for information proves you are a troll.

            Many plans have been offered to replace ACA. I wrote about common elements in some, using the phrase ‘HEALTH CARE SPPECIFICCCSS’.

            You should apply for a job at Fake News media outlets such as CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, NPR, …

          • July 1, 2020 at 8:17 am
            Rosenblatt says:
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            I agree treatment can’t be denied, but WHO GETS THE BILL when the sick person is completely uninsured?

            Bob says it goes to Medicare.
            You say it goes to nobody.

            I say you’re both not being honest as the hospital will still bill the patient so there’s no such thing as “free treatments…for those who cannot afford [them].”

          • July 1, 2020 at 10:14 am
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            Only you and other Trolls care about ‘billing’, which is irrelevant to the goal of medical treatments irrespective of ability to pay.

            You are word-parsing, again, because you are a troll who contributes nothing but turmoil to discussions.

          • July 1, 2020 at 10:42 am
            Rosenblatt says:
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            Hey Polar,

            Remember when you told everyone here that “Those who cannot afford treatments are given free treatments in an ER or hospital or clinic”?

            LIAR

          • July 2, 2020 at 9:46 am
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            Free treatment for those who cannot pay is free to THEM.

            You started your trolling with ‘pre-exers’ then morphed the discussion to ‘billing’. You repeatedly disrupt discussions with demands of proof of common knowledge, and also claim you are an ‘independent’ thinker. Regarding the latter point, your history of posts proves otherwise.

          • July 2, 2020 at 10:36 am
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            ‘Free treatment for those who cannot pay is free to THEM.”

            Not when the ER is just going to send them to collections because they can’t pay their ER bill.

            Unless, you know, you can tell me ONE facility that promises they won’t even bill the uninsured for their treatment. Which you can’t.

  • June 26, 2020 at 11:50 am
    Captain Planet says:
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    The conservative crusade on health and science has to be ended.

  • June 26, 2020 at 2:03 pm
    Retired UW says:
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    10,000,000 Republican voters have Obamacare.

    Let that sink in for a moment.

    • June 26, 2020 at 5:27 pm
      Common Sence says:
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      Hey Retired, millions of plans Republicans had and liked were canceled and they were forced into Obamacare against their will. Let that sink in for a moment.

      • July 1, 2020 at 8:37 am
        rob says:
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        Hey, Agent–
        You said that COVID19 was a conspiracy by China to slow down the Trump agenda (whatever that is). Let THAT sink in for a moment.

    • June 27, 2020 at 7:02 am
      PolarBeaRepeal says:
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      How many people (not only Republicans) lost their plan?

      BHO: “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan.” How many times did he say that at campaign stops?

  • June 26, 2020 at 3:33 pm
    Interesting says:
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    “Repeal and replace” –> “just repeal with no plan” –> “ask judiciary to repeal, still with no plan”

    Remember “Pre-existing condition” denials?

    Remember not being able to get approved for health insurance- any coverage at any price?

    Remember “retroactive policy rescissions” after the carriers would investigate 30 years’ patient records, find some Dr note scribbled from 20 years ago and then deny the claim due to pre-existing condition?

    I do.

    The Republicans controlled the House, the Senate, the Judiciary, and the Presidency for 2 full years. They passed no health care legislation. They didn’t even float a policy proposal. Every single effort- every ounce of political capital- has been spent trying to buy judges.

    Heck, the entire ACA idea was based on a right-wing plan drafted by the Heritage Foundation.

    • June 26, 2020 at 9:39 pm
      PolarBeaRepeal says:
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      Lies.

    • June 26, 2020 at 9:40 pm
      PolarBeaRepeal says:
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      McCain.

    • June 30, 2020 at 10:19 pm
      PolarBeaRepeal says:
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      ” Remember “retroactive policy rescissions” after the carriers would investigate 30 years’ patient records, find some Dr note scribbled from 20 years ago and then deny the claim due to pre-existing condition?

      I do. ”

      I do, too! That’s called fraud.

  • June 26, 2020 at 3:35 pm
    reality bites says:
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    Repeal and replace, with a tombstone instead of coverage, unless 6′ of dirt counts.

  • June 26, 2020 at 3:41 pm
    Question says:
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    COVID-19 has been shown to cause widespread damage to pulmonary (that means “Lung-related” for any Trump voters not yet on oxygen) and cardiovascular systems with as-yet unknown neurological impacts. However, symptoms including “brain fog,” hearing loss and loss of taste suggest neurological impacts.

    Is a prior positive COVID-19 diagnosis grounds for a pre-existing condition exclusion? Anyone with sense knows that question is rhetorical — of COURSE it would be used as grounds for pre-existing condition denial or to deny approval of a new health plan. So that leaves the question – how does Trump’s non-existent fantasy plan address the millions of people who might find themselves unable to secure coverage at any price due to COVID-19?

    The fact remains- there is no Republican health care plan. There never was, and there never will be. There is no real plan for governance on any issue. No platform, no values. Trump has destroyed everything except the hatred.

    Now that COVID runs rampant in the streets all We the People see is a sad man full of self-loathing pretending to be a grand emperor.

    • June 26, 2020 at 6:03 pm
      Craig Winston Cornell says:
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      The fact remains that with the Indivdual Mandate gone, there is no such thing as Obamacare.

      Obama himself admitted the math doesn’t work without the Individual Mandate. That’s why he campaigned for President saying he was against the individual mandate only to change his tune after becoming President and someone explained math to him about how you can’t have suppressed pricing for older folks unless younger folks (Obama-speak) were forced to pay and pay more than they should.

      And Americans HATED the individual mandate. (Still waiting for my $2,500. premium reduction . . . still waiting.)

    • June 27, 2020 at 5:43 pm
      Common Sense says:
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      Obamacare was one gigantic lie. Obama told that lie 28 times in his speeches. Keep your doctor, keep your plan and the average family would save $2,500 per year. It was unpopular then and equally unpopular now. What plan forces existing plans to be cancelled to get any enrollment? What plan forces people to take coverage they don’t want or need?

    • July 4, 2020 at 7:09 am
      PolarBeaRepeal says:
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      There should not be a GOVERNMENT plan for health care. That is a private industry obligation. Your mindset is that of a brainwashed Communist.

      Your assumption about the necessity for the government to write plans is as fatally flawed as NY Gov. Cuomo’s directive to nursing homes and ALCs to accept COVID-19 positive patients.

      Your posts are reflective of a meltdown based on your frustration due to repeated failures of Socialist/ Communist politicians now in control of the Democrat party. It is Obama and his administration that destroyed many positive aspects of our nation. Trump is rebuilding them, and you are powerless to stop him.

  • June 26, 2020 at 11:14 pm
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    During his campaign for presidency, Trump proclaimed in public (reportedly 41 times) that he had a plan which would provide GREAT health coverage for EVERYONE, providing HUGE savings from the Affordable Care Act, and protect those with pre-existing conditions. The guy has been in office for 3 1/2 years now. Why hasn’t he sent his plan to Congress for legislative enactment, or at least taken a little time away from his golfing to explain the details of this plan?

    • June 27, 2020 at 6:25 am
      PolarBeaRepeal says:
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      McCain broke his campaign promises.

      • June 29, 2020 at 1:15 pm
        Rosenblatt says:
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        Please cite McCain’s exact broken promise, because the only thing I can find is him constantly saying he’d ONLY vote to repeal the ACA IF there was a replacement plan READY to take its place. He voted no on the repeal-only bills, not on any bill that would’ve actually replaced the ACA.

        • June 29, 2020 at 1:23 pm
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          here’s what I don’t understand, and I’m being serious here for a second. TRUMP HIMSELF said during the election that they were going to repeal and replace the ACA with a GREAT plan that was going to be even bigger and better and less expensive than the ACA. Yogi claims to know about such a plan (HEALTH CARE SPECIFFICCS), yet for some reason, it hasn’t been made public. IF such a plan exists, wouldn’t Trump and others in his administration be constantly touting and extolling the virtues of it to get the American people on board? And PLEASE don’t use the “phony impeachment” or “Russian Hoax” as an excuse for his reason for not doing this, if anything he would’ve been pushing this plan even harder during those scandals.

          • June 30, 2020 at 7:50 pm
            Craig Winston Cornell says:
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            True. Trump said that and it didn’t happen.

            But we were lied into accepting Obamacare. Everyone knows that if King Barack hadn’t lied, even Democrats wouldn’t have voted for a plan where premiums were going to go up and people would lose coverage and have to change doctors.

            So you can complain about Trump all you want. Obama got us into this mess by lying to us. (And the media went all quiet. Thanks NY Times!)

          • June 30, 2020 at 9:49 pm
            Jon says:
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            That’s a lie from you. You never accepted ACA, so acting like some hurt little snowflake I’d ridiculous from you. You’ve been trying to poke holes in it from the start, just like the rest of your political party. And on the subject of lies, your president that orange sinking ship has lied over 16,000 times in office. But then again with how you lie on these boards, of course you would be in denial over that too.

            Obama wouldn’t have had a mess if Republicans hadn’t blocked him every step of the way. Your president has done nothing but take away rights and make a joke of our country, and November will show it’s over for you.

          • July 2, 2020 at 1:20 pm
            Craig Winston Cornell says:
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            Hey Dufus: Obamacare was passed when the Dems had both the House and Senate.

            I know you aren’t very well read, but not one Republican vote was needed to pass Obamacare. That train wreck of lies is ALL on the Dems.

          • July 2, 2020 at 2:56 pm
            Jon says:
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            Did I say the republicans? I said you AND your political party. Again, I don’t know the full details here, I don’t just ramble like you on things I don’t understand. I do understand that you calling anyone a “trainwreck of lies” with your orange fuhrer lying through his teeth every other minute is laughable.

            Keep trying to deflect, it never works.

          • July 4, 2020 at 7:16 am
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            Jon says: JULY 2, 2020 2:56 PM
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            Did I say the republicans? I said you AND your political party
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            Jon says: June 30, 2020 9:49 PM

            Obama wouldn’t have had a mess if Republicans hadn’t blocked him every step of the way.
            ………………………………….

            QED

          • July 4, 2020 at 7:24 am
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            Jon says: June 30, 2020 9:49 PM

            Obama wouldn’t have had a mess if Republicans hadn’t blocked him every step of the way.
            ………………………………….

            ACA was designed to eventually lead to a Death Spiral of rising prices due to the complete absence of cost controls and claim savings means. The ultimate goal of the planned failure was expansion of MediCare (4 All) and complete government control of 1/6th of the US GDP. QED.

            Deny or try to refute my above statement, if you wish. Everyone but brain-washed ‘Zommunists’ (zombie-like Communists) know it is true.

            * – Zombie-like Communists.

    • June 29, 2020 at 7:37 am
      PolarBeaRepeal says:
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      Congressional Democrats had access to nearly all of the proposed ACA replacement plans. Many were submitted directly to them. Others were filed with Republican Senators and some Republican House members who are generally obligated to post them in the public record.

      Boondoggle; what is your reply to my questions?

  • June 29, 2020 at 7:31 am
    PolarBeaRepeal says:
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    Further, let it be known that the Governors mentioned in the title of this article are acting on behalf of US citizens who want the ACA to be sent to the scrapheap of failed legislation ASAP.

    • July 5, 2020 at 6:01 pm
      Common Sense says:
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      100% correct Polar.

  • June 29, 2020 at 12:29 pm
    Captain Planet says:
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    Another win in the Supreme Court today.

    • June 30, 2020 at 7:46 pm
      Craig Winston Cornell says:
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      How about today, Planet. Any more wins?



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