Another way to read the headline is Good, Bad, Worst.
Other than health officials, who are now delegating with unbelievable and inappropriate “power,” I guess the only other beneficiaries of this vaccination conundrum are plaintiff attorneys, ambulance chasers, and the ilk.
God bless America and Americans to persevere through this insanity!
December 11, 2020 at 1:16 pm
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Absolutely not. What happened to “my body, my choice?” If you want to get a vaccine, great- it is your choice because it is your body and your health. I, on the other hand, am not confident in a vaccine that hasn’t been fully tested – we have no idea what the short-term and long-term side effects are. Plus, considering the survival rate is basically 99%, I truly do not see the need to mandate your employees get a vaccine. If it’s all in the name of health, better ban your employees from also eating fast food, smoking, drinking alcohol and mandate daily exercise because that is all for your health too.
December 11, 2020 at 1:28 pm
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lol the article states that employers would be giving employees a choice. You can either get the vaccine or risk getting reassigned or lose your job. All choices.
December 11, 2020 at 1:53 pm
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lol the article states you are given a choice. The choice is get the vaccine or risk being reassigned or fired. That’s the choice.
December 11, 2020 at 2:15 pm
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Unfortunately, millions of other idiots think the same thing as you. These vaccines have been in the works since SARS and MERS. Do some research and stop parroting stupid things you’ve seen your stupid friends say on Facebook. Close the comments, IJ.
December 11, 2020 at 2:26 pm
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Are you aware that eating fast food, smoking, drinking, and not exercising only affect the individual that chooses to do these things, while a contagious virus spreads to others? It is not just about you, Kate. I know that’s probably a shock to you.
December 11, 2020 at 4:02 pm
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Reason… Wow, very mature of you. From your patronizing handle to your ad hominem attacks… I know a number of people–who are not “anti vaccine”–who have expressed skepticism towards any vaccine that was rushed through the FDA approval process. I would venture to guess that you would never take this type of tone with someone in real life.
December 11, 2020 at 4:22 pm
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His tone was actually way more reasonable than yours, and featured no ad hominem attacks. Unless you consider saying “It’s not all about you” an attack? It’s really a quite honest observation.
Why are you so defensive? I’d wager to bet you’re one of the reasons we need vaccinations, people that just can’t be bothered to follow the rules and wear a mask. Your outrage reeks of that kind of entitlement.
December 11, 2020 at 4:30 pm
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I’m done being nice with this stuff. I tell people to cover their noses or put their masks on every single day I go into the world, which was predictable. Now this mistrust of the vaccine with gigantic leaps in logic, which was also predictable. Yet still the stupidity persists, and grows, even. I’m sick of it and I don’t need to be nice about it.
December 11, 2020 at 5:32 pm
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I’m sure you will convince many people to change their minds with that approach. Brilliant! I can see how much you care about your fellow man – far more than most people.
Virtue meet Signal.
December 11, 2020 at 5:47 pm
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There’s no convincing people who can never admit they were wrong, Craig (like your Dear Leader, for example). I can definitely shame them and call them out though. What else am I supposed to do? Maybe I should reference all of your kindly-worded comments as a template for how to extend an olive branch? Hypocrite, meet mirror.
December 11, 2020 at 6:24 pm
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Really? because a linguist for the guardian agrees with me.
theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/20/virtue-signalling-putdown-passed-sell-by-date
Who agrees with you? Qanon? Anyone not on youtube?
Oh it doesn’t matter if you feel shame, what matters is how stupid you look. Thankfully, you do that every single day on these boards LOL Aren’t you tired of being caught lying you sad old mary?
December 11, 2020 at 6:23 pm
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Let me try this again, Kate. I’ve been told I was rude and I can see now that I was, and now I have no chance of convincing you:
What exactly are your concerns with the vaccine being unsafe? Have you tried reading more about them to help assuage and address those fears? Have you seen any information from reliable sources that would lead you to say “absolutely not”? If so I would be interested to see that, and read it with an open mind to make certain that I am looking at all viewpoints when determining what is truth and what is fiction and not getting duped fake news.
I look forward to our in-depth, civil debate on this matter. Thank you very much, and have a wonderful day.
December 11, 2020 at 1:33 pm
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Real simple for employers. If you want the vaccine step in this line. If you don’t want to have the vaccine step in this line and sign the form stating you were offered and refused. This should help remove liability on the employers. Now some argue who will protect you from the unvacinated? Isn’t that why you got the vaccine???
December 11, 2020 at 2:06 pm
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I think it would not be wise for companies to decrease precautionary measures, regardless of the vaccine policy they adopt. This coronavirus acts differently than any disease before it, in the range of symptoms and severity, not to mention the long tail of symptoms and truly frightening serious internal damage found in virus sufferers who didn’t have any severe symptoms at all.
By the time most of us rank-and-file folks have access to the vaccine, we’ll have a good short-term idea of its side effects and efficacy. But what if something wacky happens…say the vaccine prevents a person from getting COVID but leaves them still able to transmit it. Crazy, sure, but it’s 2020. Such a situation would leave a company with the same exposure as before the vaccine existed.
I did previously have a job where certain innoculations were required. They were sensible precautions for the situation, so of course I had no problem with it.
December 11, 2020 at 2:56 pm
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Best way to being immune from the Coronavirus and not being able to transmit it is to catch Covid and survive. I am 58, I caught it and lived. Yes, it kind of sucked but it was no different from catching any other nasty flu. I was never concerned I was going to die. Now I am good to go. For how long seems to be a subject of debate. This whole issue is all about peoples fear of death. News flash, were all going to die.
December 11, 2020 at 3:13 pm
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I hope you’re not operating under any assumption you are immune now. You can catch and transmit it again. I’m glad you recovered and hope you have no lingering effects.
December 11, 2020 at 3:22 pm
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Well according to the CDC and my doctor is is possible to catch covid again or transmit covid? The answer is it is possible, but highly unlikley. So with that being said I will still wear my mask and do all the other social distancing just like before, But no vaccine needed. I have more protection than any vaccine can ever offer. And thank you for the well wishes.
December 11, 2020 at 3:26 pm
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Yeah that sounds much more convenient than what science is saying, so let’s go with that based on this one random guy’s experience.
Call off the research, scientists and epidemiologists! Mark B has it all figured out, and he says it wasn’t that bad!
December 11, 2020 at 4:04 pm
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I swear some of you are sheep, The science says this or that is like a shield. The science is a moving target. If everyone was so convinced the main stream media science was correct everyone would be jumping on the vaccine. For the record I stated what the CDC and my doctor told me. Not sure if you actully read my statement.
December 11, 2020 at 4:23 pm
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Right and where’s your degree in virology from?
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I mean that to Mark.
December 11, 2020 at 4:35 pm
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Mark, the only people that I care whatsoever about being convinced that the science is correct, are the scientists themselves.
December 11, 2020 at 5:20 pm
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You know who started the CDC right? Do your research then tell me they’re trustworthy.
December 11, 2020 at 1:52 pm
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Where is whiny Jon on this? He is the resident expert on everything, right?
December 11, 2020 at 1:57 pm
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The vaccine’s objective if you read the reports – is only to slow symptoms. it does not eliminate the chance of catching the virus at all. I have seen some reports where innocents getting the shot getting a level of paralysis. some recovering, some not. I do not think it is safe . Until they publish ALL the results on the Coronavirus News Network – good and bad – over time, and allow us to make our own decision, I’m fine with that. Why force it? If you have to force people, then its probably not good. If it was good, everyone would want to do it, and force would not be required. Free people should not be forced.
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So let’s say an Employer forces you to get the Vaccine or get fired. Is that discrimination? Is it a Federal Mandate and protected under the EEOC? Let’s say the Employee “caves” and gets the vaccine that is actually rushed because we’ve never had a vaccine for the common flu let alone a virus we’ve never seen before; and the side effects are adverse or cause sterility…do you get to sue your Employer for everything they have and then some? Herding the workforce like cattle off a cliff comes to mind.
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Another way to read the headline is Good, Bad, Worst.
Other than health officials, who are now delegating with unbelievable and inappropriate “power,” I guess the only other beneficiaries of this vaccination conundrum are plaintiff attorneys, ambulance chasers, and the ilk.
God bless America and Americans to persevere through this insanity!
Absolutely not. What happened to “my body, my choice?” If you want to get a vaccine, great- it is your choice because it is your body and your health. I, on the other hand, am not confident in a vaccine that hasn’t been fully tested – we have no idea what the short-term and long-term side effects are. Plus, considering the survival rate is basically 99%, I truly do not see the need to mandate your employees get a vaccine. If it’s all in the name of health, better ban your employees from also eating fast food, smoking, drinking alcohol and mandate daily exercise because that is all for your health too.
lol the article states that employers would be giving employees a choice. You can either get the vaccine or risk getting reassigned or lose your job. All choices.
lol the article states you are given a choice. The choice is get the vaccine or risk being reassigned or fired. That’s the choice.
Unfortunately, millions of other idiots think the same thing as you. These vaccines have been in the works since SARS and MERS. Do some research and stop parroting stupid things you’ve seen your stupid friends say on Facebook. Close the comments, IJ.
Are you aware that eating fast food, smoking, drinking, and not exercising only affect the individual that chooses to do these things, while a contagious virus spreads to others? It is not just about you, Kate. I know that’s probably a shock to you.
Reason… Wow, very mature of you. From your patronizing handle to your ad hominem attacks… I know a number of people–who are not “anti vaccine”–who have expressed skepticism towards any vaccine that was rushed through the FDA approval process. I would venture to guess that you would never take this type of tone with someone in real life.
His tone was actually way more reasonable than yours, and featured no ad hominem attacks. Unless you consider saying “It’s not all about you” an attack? It’s really a quite honest observation.
Why are you so defensive? I’d wager to bet you’re one of the reasons we need vaccinations, people that just can’t be bothered to follow the rules and wear a mask. Your outrage reeks of that kind of entitlement.
I’m done being nice with this stuff. I tell people to cover their noses or put their masks on every single day I go into the world, which was predictable. Now this mistrust of the vaccine with gigantic leaps in logic, which was also predictable. Yet still the stupidity persists, and grows, even. I’m sick of it and I don’t need to be nice about it.
I’m sure you will convince many people to change their minds with that approach. Brilliant! I can see how much you care about your fellow man – far more than most people.
Virtue meet Signal.
There’s no convincing people who can never admit they were wrong, Craig (like your Dear Leader, for example). I can definitely shame them and call them out though. What else am I supposed to do? Maybe I should reference all of your kindly-worded comments as a template for how to extend an olive branch? Hypocrite, meet mirror.
Really? because a linguist for the guardian agrees with me.
theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/20/virtue-signalling-putdown-passed-sell-by-date
Who agrees with you? Qanon? Anyone not on youtube?
Oh it doesn’t matter if you feel shame, what matters is how stupid you look. Thankfully, you do that every single day on these boards LOL Aren’t you tired of being caught lying you sad old mary?
Let me try this again, Kate. I’ve been told I was rude and I can see now that I was, and now I have no chance of convincing you:
What exactly are your concerns with the vaccine being unsafe? Have you tried reading more about them to help assuage and address those fears? Have you seen any information from reliable sources that would lead you to say “absolutely not”? If so I would be interested to see that, and read it with an open mind to make certain that I am looking at all viewpoints when determining what is truth and what is fiction and not getting duped fake news.
I look forward to our in-depth, civil debate on this matter. Thank you very much, and have a wonderful day.
Real simple for employers. If you want the vaccine step in this line. If you don’t want to have the vaccine step in this line and sign the form stating you were offered and refused. This should help remove liability on the employers. Now some argue who will protect you from the unvacinated? Isn’t that why you got the vaccine???
I think it would not be wise for companies to decrease precautionary measures, regardless of the vaccine policy they adopt. This coronavirus acts differently than any disease before it, in the range of symptoms and severity, not to mention the long tail of symptoms and truly frightening serious internal damage found in virus sufferers who didn’t have any severe symptoms at all.
By the time most of us rank-and-file folks have access to the vaccine, we’ll have a good short-term idea of its side effects and efficacy. But what if something wacky happens…say the vaccine prevents a person from getting COVID but leaves them still able to transmit it. Crazy, sure, but it’s 2020. Such a situation would leave a company with the same exposure as before the vaccine existed.
I did previously have a job where certain innoculations were required. They were sensible precautions for the situation, so of course I had no problem with it.
Best way to being immune from the Coronavirus and not being able to transmit it is to catch Covid and survive. I am 58, I caught it and lived. Yes, it kind of sucked but it was no different from catching any other nasty flu. I was never concerned I was going to die. Now I am good to go. For how long seems to be a subject of debate. This whole issue is all about peoples fear of death. News flash, were all going to die.
I hope you’re not operating under any assumption you are immune now. You can catch and transmit it again. I’m glad you recovered and hope you have no lingering effects.
Well according to the CDC and my doctor is is possible to catch covid again or transmit covid? The answer is it is possible, but highly unlikley. So with that being said I will still wear my mask and do all the other social distancing just like before, But no vaccine needed. I have more protection than any vaccine can ever offer. And thank you for the well wishes.
Yeah that sounds much more convenient than what science is saying, so let’s go with that based on this one random guy’s experience.
Call off the research, scientists and epidemiologists! Mark B has it all figured out, and he says it wasn’t that bad!
I swear some of you are sheep, The science says this or that is like a shield. The science is a moving target. If everyone was so convinced the main stream media science was correct everyone would be jumping on the vaccine. For the record I stated what the CDC and my doctor told me. Not sure if you actully read my statement.
Right and where’s your degree in virology from?
I mean that to Mark.
Mark, the only people that I care whatsoever about being convinced that the science is correct, are the scientists themselves.
You know who started the CDC right? Do your research then tell me they’re trustworthy.
Where is whiny Jon on this? He is the resident expert on everything, right?
The vaccine’s objective if you read the reports – is only to slow symptoms. it does not eliminate the chance of catching the virus at all. I have seen some reports where innocents getting the shot getting a level of paralysis. some recovering, some not. I do not think it is safe . Until they publish ALL the results on the Coronavirus News Network – good and bad – over time, and allow us to make our own decision, I’m fine with that. Why force it? If you have to force people, then its probably not good. If it was good, everyone would want to do it, and force would not be required. Free people should not be forced.
So let’s say an Employer forces you to get the Vaccine or get fired. Is that discrimination? Is it a Federal Mandate and protected under the EEOC? Let’s say the Employee “caves” and gets the vaccine that is actually rushed because we’ve never had a vaccine for the common flu let alone a virus we’ve never seen before; and the side effects are adverse or cause sterility…do you get to sue your Employer for everything they have and then some? Herding the workforce like cattle off a cliff comes to mind.