1 in 3 COVID Survivors Suffers Neurological or Mental Disorders, Study Finds By Kate Kelland | April 7, 2021 Email This Subscribe to Newsletter Email to a friend Facebook Tweet LinkedIn Print Article Article 28 Comments April 7, 2021 at 7:57 am Bat Guano says: Like or Dislike: 9 4The Lancet, eh? The same outfit that had to retract the vaccine-autism link study. April 7, 2021 at 11:22 am Rosenblatt says: Hot debate. What do you think? 14 6Just like the flu, right? (end sarcasm) April 7, 2021 at 2:54 pm Bob says: Like or Dislike: 8 6Sounds like you yourself desperately just want to contradict the other side (as usual) that you believe isn’t educated. As for the issue at hand: Disorders including anxiety and depression, all of which may well be from social trauma more than anything else. In other words: Being bombarded with: Covid kills, Covid kils, Covid kills, Covid kills! Get in the house get in the house get in the house, And then you get that thing that everyone told you to fear. Sounds like PTSD brought on from social crud to me. And, there is simply no way in hell (pardon my french) covid is causing mental disorders to 1/3rd of the population without doctors directly commenting on it (not the media). This just shows how bad the media is. Lies, lies, lies. April 7, 2021 at 2:56 pm Andrew G. Simpson says: Like or Dislike: 7 1The “media” did not conduct the study; Oxford University did. April 7, 2021 at 3:11 pm Bob says: Like or Dislike: 6 5And the media is misrepresenting the study, aka you. You missed the point. And took the same route. I’ve already dissected the study. Your headline is misleading. The study itself said it is unsure how covid is linked. Which means it could be sociological. That’s a science word, one I know a little bit about (one brother is psyche major, and we talk such issues often). They always used to say for such studies: Correlation does not equate to causation, and, the second, sociological factors, physiological factors, and others always have to be weighed, the reason being that it may have nothing to do with the drug (again, psyche major, but it’s relevant here because in this case it may have nothing to do with the virus). April 7, 2021 at 3:16 pm Bob says: Like or Dislike: 4 5And really Andrew, don’t try this recourse with someone like me. We’ve got folks here now saying other folks are against the science. Why don’t you break down to me what your study says? Your article does a bang up job of it. Someone else here already did: “Researchers who conducted the analysis said it was not clear how the virus was linked to psychiatric conditions such as anxiety and depression” in other words, it may well be sociological factors, nothing to do with the virus itself. This is like sharks and ice cream. There are more shark attacks when there is more ice cream sales at the beach. Why? Because they share a common factor: More people are at the beach. In this case the common factor may be: People who get sicknesses that are somewhat severe (let’s say pneumonia) which they are afraid of dying from, gives them anxiety and depression, and it can be multiplied depending on public perception. In other words: They may well be thinking “I could have died”. This does not say what you imply, that “Covid causes people to have neurological disorders and damages their brain!” which is definitely what you implied. And I’m sure, you will now back that down now that I’ve said this and say you never meant that. But you did. You’re not fooling me Andrew. April 7, 2021 at 3:21 pm Bob says: Like or Dislike: 3 4It took me all of 5 minutes to find the study comparable showing your study was definitely intended the way I said. If you’re going to be involved in journalism, do better work and ask the right questions. I told you, my brother is in the psyche field, we talk about his passion so this was the first obvious aspect I thought when I read your article. If there were a 1/3 medical issue from covid on this level, every doctor would be stating it. Of particular note here: “Perceived stigma and history of psychiatric treatment affected PTSD symptom severity, consistent with previous emerging infectious diseases. Survivors also reported that they were concerned about infecting others and being discriminated and that they chose to avoid others after discharge. Further support and strategy to minimize their psychosocial difficulties after discharge should be considered.” April 7, 2021 at 3:25 pm Bob says: Like or Dislike: 2 4If you didn’t catch I’ll emphasize one line as well: “CONSISTENT WITH PREVIOUS EMERGING INFECTIOUS DISEASES” April 7, 2021 at 3:30 pm Rosenblatt says: Like or Dislike: 3 0Although this might get removed with other comments: Bob: In this case the common factor may be: People who get sicknesses that are somewhat severe (let’s say pneumonia) which they are afraid of dying from, gives them anxiety and depression, and it can be multiplied depending on public perception. The only point you made directly about the study is wrong. “Our primary cohort comprised patients who had a COVID-19 diagnosis; one matched control cohort included patients diagnosed with influenza, and the other matched control cohort included patients diagnosed with any respiratory tract infection” April 7, 2021 at 3:39 pm Bob says: Like or Dislike: 4 8You again missed the point because you are so manipulated. Your phrase there does not prove me wrong. Comparing to those who have had the flu actually proves my point: There is no stigma with the flu, and that may well be why they used it as a control factor. You’re an idiot. Did you read my study? It directly goes over this, and stigmas being a factor directly related. The study from Andrew is indeed talking the same mental issues and brain disorders and mentions them by name (depression and anxiety). Regarding this, I could just as well make a headline saying: “Liberals more likely to Suffer from Neurological or Mental Disorders, Study Finds” because stigmas are more common with covid when it comes to political leanings, and it would be just as dishonest as this article. Your comment on me being wrong, is in itself, 100% wrong, because you lack the ability to look at these studies without your “The other side is wrong” lens. April 7, 2021 at 3:41 pm Bob says: Like or Dislike: 3 6So in other words, those controls may well prove that Covid has more stigmas than either flu or any other respiratory infection. You really lack the ability to look over studies. This is a level of indoctrination and ineptitude which makes me seriously doubt the schooling system, why? Because I can tell you did well in school. At least above average. Your method of speech proves it, and it’s hard to describe what I mean. You talk like a school guy, academic. I talk like a Bill Gates, a business owner, and it’s because I am. April 7, 2021 at 3:44 pm Rosenblatt says: Like or Dislike: 5 1“Did you read my study?” The one that asked ONLY those patients who had received isolation treatment how they were doing ONE MONTH after they were released? Yeah. I read it. April 7, 2021 at 2:56 pm Bob says: Like or Dislike: 3 6It also shows how poorly educated you are on the topic, because doctors themselves are NOT making the statement that Covid is causing mental disorders… So there’s that. In order to say one side is “stewpid” you ignore the doctors when the media says a catch phrase you like. Sounds par for the course for you. Knock it off. April 7, 2021 at 3:18 pm Bob says: Like or Dislike: 1 5And just like that, BAM studies are already being done on the matter. As usual, I CALLED IT and you and Andrew misread what this link was saying. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7721563/ What’s the obvious thing to consider when reading such a study? The psychological factors including sociological from having had a traumatic disease. Good god Andrew and Rosenblatt, it takes just an iota of common sense. April 7, 2021 at 3:37 pm Rosenblatt says: Like or Dislike: 5 01) This study only looked at issues ONE MONTH after recovery. The study posted on IJ looked at issues SIX MONTHS after. But let’s put that aside 2) “We searched for all patients…and who received isolation treatment…” Clearly not a sample that is indicative of the ~31,000,000 Americans who have had C19, is it? April 7, 2021 at 3:43 pm Bob says: Like or Dislike: 2 4Again, you miss the point of my comparison study. It is well known that infectious diseases cause stigmas, the study you are quoting mentions depression and anxiety. I’m not aiming to prove how many have it. You are. And you’re aiming to state your study is claiming covid itself is affecting the brain. It isn’t. No part of your study says this. Beat your drum all you like. You’re wrong here. April 7, 2021 at 3:46 pm Bob says: Like or Dislike: 2 4For example, mine compares pneumonia, which your study left out. I wonder why? Maybe…Because pneumonia is a severe one? I’m betting covid is somewhere within range of that. Especially in light of this: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130318132641.htm Start doing better homework Rosenblatt. You keep acting like I’m not. You’re trying to poke holes instead of seeing big picture. I’m making sense. You’ve just got a narrative in your head. I’m not the bad guy. I’m a common sense guy. Stop bouncing off everything I say like it’s destructive laser beams. April 7, 2021 at 11:38 am Vox says: Like or Dislike: 9 2As if we haven’t enough lunatics already. April 7, 2021 at 1:23 pm Terry says: Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 31 2No mention of anxiety or depression being brought on by lockdowns and isolation. Also no mention of the age of the patient groups that exhibited dementia. In short, tell me what conclusion you want and I will do a study. April 7, 2021 at 1:45 pm Rosenblatt says: Like or Dislike: 7 8This study focused long-term health issues after recovering from C-19. Lockdowns and isolation is immaterial to their analysis of “if you recover from C-19, here are some health issues you might experience” As for your age comment: I too wish they did a better job of breaking down the issues found by age group. That said, the average age of the people in the study was 46 years, so it’s not like they’re only studying people 65 and over. April 7, 2021 at 1:51 pm Teesie says: Like or Dislike: 2 2Terry, you nailed it!! And no mention of the health prior to Covid. My 81yr old mom has Alzheimer’s and her dementia took a dive after recovering from Covid… which included anxiety as a new symptom. Too many things not included in report. April 7, 2021 at 2:49 pm Rosenblatt says: Like or Dislike: 5 0“For outcomes that are chronic illnesses (eg, dementia or Parkinson’s disease), we excluded patients who had the diagnosis before the index event.” They specifically excluded people like your mother, so I’m not sure what your argument is. April 7, 2021 at 2:51 pm Rosenblatt says: Like or Dislike: 5 2Also, I am very sorry to hear about your mother’s condition, and that she got worse after she beat the virus. I’ve dealt with dementia and Alzheimer’s in family members before too, and it’s no pick nick – I can’t imagine trying to deal with that during this pandemic. April 7, 2021 at 3:35 pm Bob says: Like or Dislike: 0 4I gave a link to another which indeed covers history of psychiatric care. There is definitely a narrative here. April 7, 2021 at 2:51 pm Buckeye says: Like or Dislike: 5 1I am not a medical professional but struggling a bit with an attempt to apply a bit of basic logic and reason to the content. “Researchers who conducted the analysis said it was not clear how the virus was linked to psychiatric conditions such as anxiety and depression…” does not jibe with “It confirms beyond any reasonable doubt that COVID-19 affects both brain and mind in equal measure.” Understanding the first quote is from a Lancet researcher and the second is from a representative at King’s College London, it is still difficult to put much credence in the conclusions. April 7, 2021 at 2:55 pm Rosenblatt says: Like or Dislike: 4 1I parsed that as there’s a definite connection that some people have brain and mind issues from post C-19 infections, but it’s unclear if those *include* anxiety and depression as there are various forms of brain and mind issues post C-19 one could have besides those two. April 7, 2021 at 2:58 pm Bob says: Like or Dislike: 1 4Of all the things you could have read out of that, that is the worst possible one you could have. They didn’t mention other disorders other than the two, so they logically most be talking about all the others and not focusing on the two they did? Do you realize you just said that? You’re bending over backwards to make this mean more than it does. The poster above is correct. What they are saying is this may well not be the virus itself, but outside factors. As in like I said above, PTSD. April 7, 2021 at 3:43 pm Rosenblatt says: Like or Dislike: 6 1“They didn’t mention other disorders other than the two” I’d respectfully as you to read the study before posting what it says again. This is the 2nd time you said something that’s false about it and is clearly explained in the METHOD section of the study. It’s not buried anywhere. It’s right at the start. “We estimated the incidence of 14 neurological and psychiatric outcomes in the 6 months after a confirmed diagnosis of COVID-19: intracranial haemorrhage; ischaemic stroke; parkinsonism; Guillain-Barré syndrome; nerve, nerve root, and plexus disorders; myoneural junction and muscle disease; encephalitis; dementia; psychotic, mood, and anxiety disorders (grouped and separately); substance use disorder; and insomnia” You agree there’s more than 2 brain or mind issues listed above, yes? Comment have been closed for this article.