Great idea. Since poor judgement, stupidity, and alcohol are the common denominator, it doesn’t matter what the vehicle is. Of course the ACLU will argue that just because someone is an idiot behind the wheel of a boat doesn’t mean they would drink and drive a car too.
For the feild sobriety test they have you try to pee off the bow of the boat without falling in.
Its interesting though, only 150 deaths..
Thats not bad. More boats on the water is the real problem, thats all thats really changed. But they wont do anything about that, that might actually save lives – This law will just allow them to make more money in fines.
If your state requires a boat license, then put the violations on that, but leave the drivers license out of the picture for additional violations that did not occurr in the Auto or on the roadway.
Jake, I’m with you. And based on past experience, if I were giving your test, I would pass most of the time. Only on two occasions did I fall in!. I agree that only 150 deaths is quite small in comparison to the amount of boats registered. Pretty soon they will take all the fun out of fishing.
I’m with Lack of ACLU. Your organization rates right up there with Al Sharpton in contributing nothing, but arguing everything you disagree with. Poor judgment, irresponsibility, putting other in danger because of your stupidity isn’t limited to driving a motor vehicle. When you enter a public area be it a street, highway, waterway, or the sky for that matter, you have a responsibility to focus and be sober. There is no place for drinking and operating a piece of machinery that could kill or maim others. It’s time America became “intolerant” of stupidity and irresponsbility………two things the ACLU have never understood.
first of all, does not the owner of the boat have a license? is he/she not responsible for the actions aboard the boat? can we not create a license system for boating and they have a record of their activity? yes, it is very possible to be a BUI and turn around have a DUI. but again, are not comparing 2 different modes of transportation? he may be more responsbile in a car (although that shud not matter) than in his boat. i think we should be able to keep track of BUI’s and after the 2nd one, take his boat away! force him to buy another boat if he/she truly likes being on the water. then if he does it again, take that one too. this is the best way to solve that problem. it will financially hard to having to keep up w/the loan since he no longer has a boat under his control, much less trying to purchase another boat – can you imagine his credit score? all of you know how that can affect him – in many ways. so let’s not get it assigned to his MVR but to a BVR (boat veh record).
Your comment about “It’s time America became “intolerant” of stupidity and irresponsbility………two things the ACLU have never understood.”
That’s the requirements to join the ACLU, you have to be stupid (at least to a degree, some peolpe are ignorant (not knowing) & there’s a difference) & you most certainly have to be irresponsible, otherwise they would have no one to jump on their bandwagon!
But remember guys, the ACLU also protects your freedom of speech and fights against the Patriot Act. Did you know the government can lock up an American citizen without charging him with a crime. They can then try him in a military tribunal where you dont get a lawyer. You should really all read the Patriot Act some time ,its pretty scary stuff.
Actually I am the wrong nationality for the ACLU to want to help me in any way.
As far as the Patriot Act, I am not trying to become a terrorist, nor am I speaking out against my Government or Counrty, there are no reasons that anyone would think that I am anything but a Patriotic American, so where does that leave me?
Based on your logic, you dont break any laws therefore you dont care whether or not the laws are fair?
So if they decide to murder people in public without a trial, you dont care, because its never gonna happen to you, because you dont break any laws.
Thats fine logic, Im sure they will never come for you, just keep your mouth shut and pay those taxes, im sure the govt has your best interests in mind.
Aparently you did not read my post, or maybe you just decided to try to twist it around to fit what you want to read into it – you must be involved with their office closely if you are ready to start spewing garbage & trying to make out like I don’t care… I do care, I hope that all the folks out there that choose terrorist tactics do get thrown in jail & I am all for the Patriot Act…
Read it again, perhaps you can better understand what I actually typed. Hint: Use a dictionary if any of the words are to much for your tiny mind!
Perhaps you need to start lobbying somewhere else. Calling me names like fool isn’t helping you to make a case & twisting what I typed doesn’t make you look any smarter than you are portraying yourself to be.
If you need to get it off your chest, you go ahead, I understand that some people want to try to manipulate the words of others to suit their own aggressiveness, as well as your inability to reason without reverting to name calling.
Perhaps one day you too will grow out of it & become a productive citizen.
I wish you well in your endeavors & when you start your lobbying, let me know & I will follow along via your web postings so that when they pick you up & hold you without bail or charges, then I will know they got their man!
Really Doug, did you think you try to match wits with someone that actually has some?
Hello? Perhaps you need to pull your head out of the place that it seems to be wedged into, so that you can read my responses in-lieu of assuming that you know it all — even after being told that you do not!
Here you go, my final response to you, who happens to be the “real” jerk posting here…
FYI… Assistant U.S. Attorney for New Hampshire Mark Zuckerman spoke about the ways in which he is able to work with the Patriot Act as a federal prosecutor for the state. He said that though there has been some gross misuse of the Patriot Act, many of its provisions are sound. “The Patriot Act does not throw the Bill of Rights out,” he said. “It does not erode previous rights; instead, it rides on top and adopts them.”
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H.R.3162
Title: To deter and punish terrorist acts in the United States and around the world, to enhance law enforcement investigatory tools, and for other purposes.
As for Me, I support our Government for all that they do to minimize terrorist activity within our borders, including but not limited to the outlines as indicated in the Act, which can be read in it’s entirety on-line via the Library of Congress. Be sure to read all 4 versions to get the most of your experience.
Just because some individuals (with or without power) have used the Act in a way that it was not necessarily intended, it doesn’t mean that it was not set up as protection for the American public or to help sustain our way of life. Just because there are agitators at the ACLU (that’s their job by the way) that want to instigate more problems than actually resolve one, is not my fault, nor is it the fault of those in our Government that passed the Patriot Act.
Take into consideration one last thing before I sign off too… Morphine is a good drug in the right hands, but in the wrong hands it becomes an addictive substance that ruins lives… consider that everything is good in good hands… it’s the bad hands that took hold of something & distorted the good that it could do! It doesn’t mean that it is no longer good, it just means that someone bad has adolpted it to be their own – kinda like your rant!
So now I close with my last response directly to you on this matter. Each & every American is entitled to their own opinion & I am of the opinion that it is in fact you who have the problem, perhaps because you may be in violation or know someone that is & are in fear of being discovered… Have a nice day! :’)
To everyone else, I hope you do not drink & go boating out of respect for yourself, as well as those around you! Find a designated boat driver before you go bingeing on the lake! Enjoy life to it’s fullest & live each day as if it is the best one yet!
Great idea. Since poor judgement, stupidity, and alcohol are the common denominator, it doesn’t matter what the vehicle is. Of course the ACLU will argue that just because someone is an idiot behind the wheel of a boat doesn’t mean they would drink and drive a car too.
the American Civil Liberties Union does not defend the right to drive/boat/fly under the influence.
they defend Dread’s right to make idiotic comments
For the feild sobriety test they have you try to pee off the bow of the boat without falling in.
Its interesting though, only 150 deaths..
Thats not bad. More boats on the water is the real problem, thats all thats really changed. But they wont do anything about that, that might actually save lives – This law will just allow them to make more money in fines.
I think it is a Bad idea all the way!
If your state requires a boat license, then put the violations on that, but leave the drivers license out of the picture for additional violations that did not occurr in the Auto or on the roadway.
On the contrary, Dread’s comment smacks of reality! The ACLU needs a reality check once in awhile.
Jake, I’m with you. And based on past experience, if I were giving your test, I would pass most of the time. Only on two occasions did I fall in!. I agree that only 150 deaths is quite small in comparison to the amount of boats registered. Pretty soon they will take all the fun out of fishing.
I’m with Lack of ACLU. Your organization rates right up there with Al Sharpton in contributing nothing, but arguing everything you disagree with. Poor judgment, irresponsibility, putting other in danger because of your stupidity isn’t limited to driving a motor vehicle. When you enter a public area be it a street, highway, waterway, or the sky for that matter, you have a responsibility to focus and be sober. There is no place for drinking and operating a piece of machinery that could kill or maim others. It’s time America became “intolerant” of stupidity and irresponsbility………two things the ACLU have never understood.
first of all, does not the owner of the boat have a license? is he/she not responsible for the actions aboard the boat? can we not create a license system for boating and they have a record of their activity? yes, it is very possible to be a BUI and turn around have a DUI. but again, are not comparing 2 different modes of transportation? he may be more responsbile in a car (although that shud not matter) than in his boat. i think we should be able to keep track of BUI’s and after the 2nd one, take his boat away! force him to buy another boat if he/she truly likes being on the water. then if he does it again, take that one too. this is the best way to solve that problem. it will financially hard to having to keep up w/the loan since he no longer has a boat under his control, much less trying to purchase another boat – can you imagine his credit score? all of you know how that can affect him – in many ways. so let’s not get it assigned to his MVR but to a BVR (boat veh record).
Your comment about “It’s time America became “intolerant” of stupidity and irresponsbility………two things the ACLU have never understood.”
That’s the requirements to join the ACLU, you have to be stupid (at least to a degree, some peolpe are ignorant (not knowing) & there’s a difference) & you most certainly have to be irresponsible, otherwise they would have no one to jump on their bandwagon!
But remember guys, the ACLU also protects your freedom of speech and fights against the Patriot Act. Did you know the government can lock up an American citizen without charging him with a crime. They can then try him in a military tribunal where you dont get a lawyer. You should really all read the Patriot Act some time ,its pretty scary stuff.
Actually I am the wrong nationality for the ACLU to want to help me in any way.
As far as the Patriot Act, I am not trying to become a terrorist, nor am I speaking out against my Government or Counrty, there are no reasons that anyone would think that I am anything but a Patriotic American, so where does that leave me?
Definitely not seeking anything from the ACLU!
Based on your logic, you dont break any laws therefore you dont care whether or not the laws are fair?
So if they decide to murder people in public without a trial, you dont care, because its never gonna happen to you, because you dont break any laws.
Thats fine logic, Im sure they will never come for you, just keep your mouth shut and pay those taxes, im sure the govt has your best interests in mind.
No Doug,
Aparently you did not read my post, or maybe you just decided to try to twist it around to fit what you want to read into it – you must be involved with their office closely if you are ready to start spewing garbage & trying to make out like I don’t care… I do care, I hope that all the folks out there that choose terrorist tactics do get thrown in jail & I am all for the Patriot Act…
Read it again, perhaps you can better understand what I actually typed. Hint: Use a dictionary if any of the words are to much for your tiny mind!
So you dont think terrosists should be aloud to have lawyers? And you think its ok for someone to rot in jail even if they are innocent?
This is happening right now becasue of the patriot act and its wrong – This could even happen to an innocent american citizen.
But youve never read the dam thing so what do you care you fool?
Perhaps you need to start lobbying somewhere else. Calling me names like fool isn’t helping you to make a case & twisting what I typed doesn’t make you look any smarter than you are portraying yourself to be.
If you need to get it off your chest, you go ahead, I understand that some people want to try to manipulate the words of others to suit their own aggressiveness, as well as your inability to reason without reverting to name calling.
Perhaps one day you too will grow out of it & become a productive citizen.
I wish you well in your endeavors & when you start your lobbying, let me know & I will follow along via your web postings so that when they pick you up & hold you without bail or charges, then I will know they got their man!
Really Doug, did you think you try to match wits with someone that actually has some?
Like I said, youve never read the Act, you just blindly support it because you are stupid…..
Its funny how jerks like you get on a message board to pick on the ACLU when you dont even know what they stand for.
Just keep your mouth shut next time.
Hello? Perhaps you need to pull your head out of the place that it seems to be wedged into, so that you can read my responses in-lieu of assuming that you know it all — even after being told that you do not!
Here you go, my final response to you, who happens to be the “real” jerk posting here…
FYI… Assistant U.S. Attorney for New Hampshire Mark Zuckerman spoke about the ways in which he is able to work with the Patriot Act as a federal prosecutor for the state. He said that though there has been some gross misuse of the Patriot Act, many of its provisions are sound. “The Patriot Act does not throw the Bill of Rights out,” he said. “It does not erode previous rights; instead, it rides on top and adopts them.”
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H.R.3162
Title: To deter and punish terrorist acts in the United States and around the world, to enhance law enforcement investigatory tools, and for other purposes.
If you want to read it, please do so at
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d107:h.r.03162:
As for Me, I support our Government for all that they do to minimize terrorist activity within our borders, including but not limited to the outlines as indicated in the Act, which can be read in it’s entirety on-line via the Library of Congress. Be sure to read all 4 versions to get the most of your experience.
Just because some individuals (with or without power) have used the Act in a way that it was not necessarily intended, it doesn’t mean that it was not set up as protection for the American public or to help sustain our way of life. Just because there are agitators at the ACLU (that’s their job by the way) that want to instigate more problems than actually resolve one, is not my fault, nor is it the fault of those in our Government that passed the Patriot Act.
Take into consideration one last thing before I sign off too… Morphine is a good drug in the right hands, but in the wrong hands it becomes an addictive substance that ruins lives… consider that everything is good in good hands… it’s the bad hands that took hold of something & distorted the good that it could do! It doesn’t mean that it is no longer good, it just means that someone bad has adolpted it to be their own – kinda like your rant!
So now I close with my last response directly to you on this matter. Each & every American is entitled to their own opinion & I am of the opinion that it is in fact you who have the problem, perhaps because you may be in violation or know someone that is & are in fear of being discovered… Have a nice day! :’)
To everyone else, I hope you do not drink & go boating out of respect for yourself, as well as those around you! Find a designated boat driver before you go bingeing on the lake! Enjoy life to it’s fullest & live each day as if it is the best one yet!