Texas School Shooter’s Father Believes Son Was Bullied

May 23, 2018

  • May 23, 2018 at 2:18 pm
    confused says:
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    “The elder Pagourtzis said his son took a legally owned shotgun and handgun from his closet before leaving for school that day. The teen didn’t own firearms of his own, he said.”

    secure your firearms people – it’s not hard

  • May 23, 2018 at 2:56 pm
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    The first girl murdered by this boy was a timid girl that had repeatedly refused his overtures and would not date him. She told her mom that if she were ever killed it would be by this boy. It’s reported that she finally refused him in the classroom which is what set him off. Idiotic, entitled kid. Since when is it okay to kill because a girl turns you down?

    • May 23, 2018 at 3:44 pm
      Agent says:
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      Obviously, this father did not do a good job teaching this boy right from wrong, allowed him to play violent video games on the computer, then he gets rejected by the girl sending him into a rage.

      • May 23, 2018 at 4:05 pm
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        or perhaps the kid was already seriously mentally ill, didn’t get the help he should have had, and no amount of teaching “right from wrong” would’ve changed him.

        nah. has to be the video games. Or pot. Or texting. Or the left wing socialist progressives. Or the Deep State…..

        • May 23, 2018 at 4:16 pm
          Agent says:
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          sal, Ecclesiastes 10:2 applies to you Google it and see what it says.

          • May 23, 2018 at 4:19 pm
            sal says:
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            Agent–

            I’m also a Christian. I attend church regularly. I was taught to love thy neighbor as thyself and that only God can judge.

            You should try it.

          • May 23, 2018 at 4:41 pm
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            by that logic, your car has“D” is for drive and “R” is for reverse – that must mean Democrats are going forward and Republicans go in reverse!

          • May 24, 2018 at 3:27 pm
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            Agent,

            That is a weak argument to support your point. The right and left parties switch constantly being democratic and republican. The quote you are using does not apply to that and is a silly argument to attempt to prove you are correct.

            Also to your point earlier that is the same logic to say that it was Craig’s fault his son abused cannabis for years and the blame should only be on him. I do not agree with that sentiment and if you were in either shoes, neither would you.

          • May 25, 2018 at 11:46 am
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            Hey sal,
            I am also a Christian but I don’t just play one on Sundays. Some pretenders and wannabes out there fake the funk in their houses of worship while supporting the sleaze at the top of the administration. I cannot compromise my principles for political reasons. And, as a Christian, I am lending my prayers and additional support to these victims and all those who are going to follow until we get this right. I feel our schools in my community are air-tight. I’m not sure how a shooter could get in unless he or she shot through the doors first. We have a camera at our doors. I have to identify myself and the reason why I am there in order to be buzzed in. There is a windowed front office once I do get in and I’m required to sign in, grab a “visitor” sticker and then be escorted to the classroom. Our schools do have an “active shooter” response action plan as well. No security guards, no armed teachers. Perhaps they should consider a security guard(s) in the event someone does shoot through the door. Any parents out there, does your school have a similar set-up? It seems to be effective to me. And, as a concerned parent, I appreciate how they have constructed their entry procedures.

      • May 23, 2018 at 4:43 pm
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        As confused posted in the first comment – I think the thing that REALLY matters here, more than video games, is that the parents did not secure their firearms properly which allowed their kid to get them in the first place. Personal responsibility much??

        • May 23, 2018 at 5:14 pm
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          I concur, Rosenblatt. Other countries have violent video games, mentally ill folks, violent music, violent films (think Japan – way more porn AND violent media there) but they don’t have the same problem with the shootings we do. Now, I’m not suggesting we have to take away guns, I don’t believe in that. But, if you own them, you do have a responsibility to secure them.

      • May 25, 2018 at 8:45 am
        ??? says:
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        BAN ALL PLAYSTATIONS!!! Ban all Red! Ban All Herrings!

    • May 23, 2018 at 5:16 pm
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      Since never, perplexed. It’s never been okay to assault a woman to any degree. Doesn’t stop some, though. Some guys, including orange ones, cannot stop themselves. You are probably onto at least a bit of something with that sense of entitlement.

    • May 29, 2018 at 1:36 pm
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      In some cultures it is still quite prevalent today. I doubt that ‘entitlement’ had anything to do with this young man becoming unhinged.

  • May 23, 2018 at 3:21 pm
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    Seems like a father did not really know his son. Bullying or being turned down for a date is not a reason to kill 10 people. The dad should have kept his silence and not inflamed the tragic events his son accomplished just 30 minutes from my home.

    • May 23, 2018 at 10:46 pm
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      So wow,
      This high school thought they were a hardened target (armed security, action plan, even agreed to start arming teachers), just like Tramp wants schools to be. Not even these measures stopped the tragedy. Is your community talking about whether or not anything could have stopped this? I mean, apart from Tramp himself being there who said he’d go running into a school with an active shooter despite the fact he “has bone spurs” that kept him from serving the country and the fact he chooses a golf cart over walking anywhere. I believe the only thing that could have prevented this particular event is if the father would have properly stored his firearms.

      • May 25, 2018 at 4:14 pm
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        So, you feel certain that the school guards in Texas did nothing, that more kids would NOT have been killed had the guards not arrived in minutes.

        You think Trump is a fool for suggesting that more school guards can save lives.
        So, you are proposing there be NO guards.

        Man, your hate for Trump makes you out to be a fool on a regular basis.

  • May 24, 2018 at 10:25 am
    Truth says:
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    Are you discussing the issue or ranting over our great President?

    • May 24, 2018 at 3:30 pm
      helpingout says:
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      If you really did try and tell the truth you would have replied to one of the comments aimed at the president who is not that great. He is average to slightly below average. I believe captains comment was toward how Trump has said in interview and such that he has sexually assaulted women. The key word there is assault (legally it does not have to be physical violence, that goes into battery rather than assault)

    • May 29, 2018 at 1:42 pm
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      planet can’t discuss the time of day without somehow dragging our President into the mix. He’s another unhinged liberal whose hatred for the President clouds his views of everything else. He’s a bright enough guy that I would think one day he’ll look back and wonder what all the vitriol accomplished (which is nada).

  • May 24, 2018 at 8:00 pm
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    Yes, the father is responsible for failing to lock up the guns. But this seems like one of the few instances where that might have prevented a mass shooting. I can’t recall other times when the shooter got the guns from his parents.

    Trying to say that other countries have violent video games but not mass murders is usually an attempt to blame guns. But the USA had more households with guns 30 years ago with almost no mass shootings. Something else is going on.

    I suspect there is something deep happening, and I suspect it is connected to the time when the internet and social media exploded. There are now over a dozen books talking about how rates of depression and suicide have skyrocketed over the past 10 years among young people, especially young men, and most of the books connect the dots to social media, specifically the illusion that the lives of others are filled with fun and friends, while at the same time people have fewer and fewer friends they actually spend time with personally.

    • May 25, 2018 at 9:50 am
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      4 mass murders in 1988 including one at Oakland Elementary, for whatever that’s worth to you.

      • May 25, 2018 at 3:05 pm
        Craig Cornell says:
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        Truly useless. How many have there been in the past 4 years?\
        Now, compare that to ANY 4 year period you choose.

        You must be one miserable person. Even the murder of kids leaves you with nothing to say
        except to try to make other people wrong.

        Solutions?

        • May 25, 2018 at 3:35 pm
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          I’ll help you with reading comprehension. I was not suggesting you are wrong, I was pointing out there were more than “almost no” mass shootings 30 years ago, including at a school. I furthered by telling you to take it for whatever it’s worth to you. I’m actually quite a happy person, a husband, a father of 3 daughters, a brother to 2 sisters, an uncle to nieces and nephews. Now, as far as the solutions are concerned, perhaps you missed my earlier post where I spoke specifically to school safety:

          MAY 25, 2018 AT 11:46 AM
          Captain Planet says:
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          Hey sal,
          I am also a Christian but I don’t just play one on Sundays. Some pretenders and wannabes out there fake the funk in their houses of worship while supporting the sleaze at the top of the administration. I cannot compromise my principles for political reasons. And, as a Christian, I am lending my prayers and additional support to these victims and all those who are going to follow until we get this right. I feel our schools in my community are air-tight. I’m not sure how a shooter could get in unless he or she shot through the doors first. We have a camera at our doors. I have to identify myself and the reason why I am there in order to be buzzed in. There is a windowed front office once I do get in and I’m required to sign in, grab a “visitor” sticker and then be escorted to the classroom. Our schools do have an “active shooter” response action plan as well. No security guards, no armed teachers. Perhaps they should consider a security guard(s) in the event someone does shoot through the door. Any parents out there, does your school have a similar set-up? It seems to be effective to me. And, as a concerned parent, I appreciate how they have constructed their entry procedures.

          Have a good holiday weekend, Craig. I’m off to the lake with my family where we all most definitely will not be miserable.

  • May 25, 2018 at 9:05 am
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    “I can’t recall other times when the shooter got the guns from his parents.”

    You could do a little research.
    https://thecrimereport.org/2018/04/06/most-mass-school-shooters-get-guns-at-home/

    • May 25, 2018 at 3:08 pm
      Craig Cornell says:
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      Good article. Relatives who don’t keep their guns from the shooters should be held accountable.

      But still, the number of shootings is showing us there is something going on that should be taken seriously.
      As stated before, more households had guns 30 years ago.

      • May 25, 2018 at 3:34 pm
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        Craig,
        I highly disagree with your statement. While the overall percent of American households who owned guns as a total percentage of the population is lowerer (42% now compared to 44% 30 years ago) you are failing to take into account the overall population increase and increased number of households. When you factor in the later, American households as a whole own more than they did 30 years ago.

        • May 25, 2018 at 3:35 pm
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          population is lower* my apologizes for the mistake at typing.

          • May 25, 2018 at 4:10 pm
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            So, what is your solution?

            If you don’t think there is something different going on today, if you think that the number of mass shootings is much higher only because the absolute number of gun owning households is higher (even if the percentage is lower), then what is your solution?

        • May 29, 2018 at 1:53 pm
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          helpingout, and I highly disagree with your statement. Craig is correct, and I think bullying combined with social media is at the root of the problem.
          And your statistical analysis is lame at best.

          • May 30, 2018 at 11:40 am
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            Can you explain how my data is lame at best? I do not understand your point? What is your issue with my data?

          • May 30, 2018 at 11:41 am
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            I will say I agree that social media does increase the issue and overall anxiety and stress the younger generation is feeling.

      • May 29, 2018 at 3:57 pm
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        Finally, I 100% agree with you.

        the number of shootings is showing us there is something going on that should be taken seriously. Please start taking gun control seriously. That’s what they are using to kill people! Not video games, not social media, not computers, GUNS. Guns are the problem.

        • May 29, 2018 at 4:17 pm
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          So what is the solution?

  • May 25, 2018 at 1:41 pm
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    These shootings appear to be students shooting other students over bullying or rejection. Can’t we teach our students how to deal with these things without resorting to killing someone?

  • May 25, 2018 at 3:07 pm
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    Although I personally agree with being a responsible gun owner and locking up my guns I for one disagree that the government should force everyone to follow that path. For me I am blessed to have a 17 year old son who is level headed and has full respect of firearms and the lethal consequences they can inflict. I keep my weapons locked in a secure safe and do not provide my son with access not because I do not trust him but as kids will be kids I feel it best to protect any of his friends from the temptation that a weapon could prevent. I also do the same with prescription medications again not because I do not trust but to prevent temptation.

    I remember a time not long ago where most guns were kept on display in the home sometimes in a locked display cabinet but not always. Even if in a locked glass cabinet we all know how easy these displays are to break into. We did not have this insane mass shooting issue then so why now? I ask everyone to stop focusing on the weapons used and we as a nation focus where the real problem is that being mental illness and lack of care. Sorry but short of a hired killer no sane person goes out and randomly kills people. I truly wish that I fully understood how to best treat these individuals but I do not, that is for the professionals to do but we must get to the bottom of the cause and determine how best to resolve that problem first and foremost.

    • May 25, 2018 at 3:41 pm
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      Whereas, I agree mental illness does play a part, no one can deny other countries are also stricken by the same. What are they doing that we aren’t? Perhaps we should be seeking their advice since they clearly have a better handle on this issue and others surrounding mass shootings.

      • May 25, 2018 at 4:29 pm
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        Honest people know that psychiatric drugs are highly unreliable, and often counter-productive.

        Honest people know – and dishonest ones can look this up – that per capita use of psychiatric drugs is about 50% less in Europe.

        • June 1, 2018 at 11:53 am
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          Did a Thumbs down in error. I totally agree with your statement on psychiatric medications and testing shows it can increase the risk of suicidal thoughts..

  • May 29, 2018 at 1:26 pm
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    Agent, you here today? Got new info from a new doc.



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