Are you intentionally ignoring that many people actually do benefit from medical marijuana, specifically the CBD strands? I don’t understand why you’re opposed to allowing people to get relief from epileptic seizures, significant pain and/or the inability to eat (e.g. chemo patients).
I truly believe Mike does not know the difference between the medicinal non-psychoactive CBD compared the more recreational form THC. He is just an uninformed person who tries to chastise anyone who supports legalization (over 50% of the US population) as stoners.
Are you intentionally ignoring the downside of Marijuana and all the problems it brings on and the evidence that many states started out with Medicinal and quickly went to the Stoner Recreational users. Not to mention it is a gateway drug for Meth, Cocaine and many other dangerous drugs.
The Gateway Drug Theory has been disproven. This isn’t the 80’s.
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you mean like the drunks i watch drive up and down the roads all the time. or the thousands of people who have that innocent can of Coors light between the legs on that drive home. If this Governor is right it will be the first time. the one sure thing is that she has been the worst one in Oklahoma History.
July 3, 2018 at 1:30 pm
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If you had any semblance of reading comprehension and memory, you’d know NOBODY on this site has EVER claimed marijuana is 100% safe.
Exactly, Rosenblatt,
And, I am not advocating for people to use it. That’s a decision for an adult to make. But, if an adult makes a personal choice to, kind of like choosing to have a glass of whiskey, well then…
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“If you had any semblance of reading comprehension and memory, you’d know NOBODY on this site has EVER claimed marijuana is 100% safe.”
If you had any semblance of honesty, you wouldn’t keep making that statement.
Let me do the equivalent to what you just said:
No one has said that guns are 100% safe. Should that be my reply each time Ron says we need more gun regulations?
No?
If not why not?
So when let’s say Craig says that laxing pot regulations is a bad idea, and says there are risks to pot, you can just reply back that he doesn’t know how to read, or comprehend what you’re saying, when you constantly down play the affects of pot and are open to it’s deregulation and furthering it’s use?
When you say that you want to stop gun ownership, and regulate it more, conversely, I guess he could just keep saying the same to you:
That he never said guns were 100% safe, maybe you need to learn to read what he says, and that we don’t need any more gun laws, because I mean, the risks could be argued either way. This is the precise equivalent. I am guessing your reason behind this statement is two fold. One: You are image obsessed. Two: You support pot legalization, and are being dishonest in that debate, because you want to side step his argument, completely disregarding both it and him. It’s immoral, and not surprising, considering how often you do it. Punk.
July 6, 2018 at 9:32 am
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When did i ever say we needed more gun regulations?
Please, for the love of God, STOP putting words in my mouth.
July 6, 2018 at 10:53 am
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I replied to you here bob, but someone (I’d bet dollars-to-donuts it was Agent) got my post removed. Short version:
Agent: “Are you intentionally ignoring the downside of Marijuana”
Me: “…NOBODY on this site has EVER claimed marijuana is 100% safe.”
Bob: “If you had any semblance of honesty, you wouldn’t keep making that statement.”
Come on kiddo … what I said was 100% honest and totally relevant to Agent’s implication that I was ignoring marijuana’s negative effects in spite of me repeatedly stating them in numerous posts.
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We are going to shut down comments on this article now as they have become repetitive among a small group.
July 3, 2018 at 8:13 pm
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I live in Oklahoma. I was an advocate for MM. The sky isn’t falling, It is needed as a medicine. It works for so many ailments. I am not saying it’s a miracle herb. I My pain management Dr. says I am a prime candidate for it. I have diabetic neuropathy, fibromialgia, and the depression that accompanies it. PLUS I have broken my neck, both legs, both feet, my pelvis, 6 ribs , left hand,nose, I have had 2 heart attacks, coronary artery disease . 4 stents in my heart. and fractured my skull, my coxsis(tailbone). I was in a coma for 8 days, other than that I am fit as a fiddle. A poorly tuned cheap fiddle but a fiddle none the less.Medical Marijuana works for these ailments. So Hell yes it is a God send for people like me. I am 62 years old.
Great news. It will happen. It will benefit most of society as it has both medically and financially in other states. (In the meantime, the trolls can keep on trolling about gateway drugs, etc., but it won’t change a thing. Sorry, ancient trolls, coming to your neighborhood soon.)
Craig … can you even name ONE poster here who has even ONCE claimed marijuana is harmless and completely safe? If you can’t, you need to stop pretending those in favor of medicinal and/or recreational marijuana are blind to its downsides.
Read what Great News just wrote: ” . . it will benefit MOST of society . . .”
What a laughable, ignorant thing to say, something that could ONLY be said by someone who thinks pot is harmless. It will damage most who use it, in small or large ways. Period. There is no science that says it won’t.
Geez. Try thinking Rosenblatt, before you spout the usual, silly, blanket, child-like “no one said it was perfect” logic.
THC won’t be legal for kids – black or white. Pretty sure it will be treated with similar laws to alcohol or tobacco. If an adult wants to potentially damage himself or herself with this and/or any alcoholic substance and tobacco substance, I believe they should have that freedom. And, the tax revenue could be put to good use.
You mean, IT WON”T BE LEGAL! Well then no kids will use it at all, right?
Just like no kids drink booze. Oh, wait! Ever since society endorsed legal booze, under age drinking sky rocketed. You don’t think that might happen again with pot, do you.
And what is happening with the use of marijuana by under age youth in America? Skyrocketing, right along with the liberal insistence on legalization. Duh.
Now, who would have thunk that might happen . . . because, you know, it is ILLEGAL for under age people you know.
Never could stand the smell of the burning joint but for pain or other reasonable medical issues I don’t have a problem. I’m not sure why you would want to inhale the smoke if you did not have to….your lungs are meant for clean air and our health care system is already imploding for overuse and expense.
I saw the first Mad Men episode and the smoking researcher concluded that Americans have somewhat of a death wish so they will smoke if they feel like it ; maybe we do to some extent??? Good grief!
It’s coming to the vote in MI — a sign in my yard says,” Nope to recreational dope!”
The Gateway Theory is absolutely true, according to nearly every expert in rehabilitation. It seems that only a very, very small percentage of people go on to harder drugs without starting with pot. It is estimated to be well under 5%.
And when rehabilitation experts talk to addicted patients, they routinely hear the same story:
the addicted person started with pot and thought it was no big deal, so why not try other drugs?
But you keep lying like a good Christian. It is what you do.
“The Gateway Theory is absolutely true, according to nearly every expert in rehabilitation” and “they routinely hear the same story”
CITATION NEEDED!!
And if you can’t back up your argument and/or reply with “well, you can google it yourself”, you have failed to support your argument and lose this part of the debate.
Or talk to 1 or 7 or 50 rehabilitation specialists and let me know what you hear. Because I have talked to a lot of them, and I don’t have time to introduce you to them all.
“Citations”. Man, you guys are boring. Like some kind of book review when real lives are being damaged.
July 3, 2018 at 4:31 pm
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I see you are unable to support your argument. In that case, I suggest you Google: burden of proof fallacy and hasty generalization before posting here again.
Here’s one, however, I will state the following: There are many studies which push an agenda, and in this particular field, people tend to be extremely liberal and pro pot and thus would try to do studies that seemed to show marijuana in a positive light.
However, in this case, since studies are unreliable, it does make some degree of sense to just use common sense. People who smoke pot do so for the high. I have never met someone who enjoyed getting high who also didn’t to some degree dabble into something else, whether trying ecstasy, abusing cough medicine, going in and being glad they had to get pain pills (which I got rid of the one time I had to take them, since they made me too high) etc.
People who just enjoy to get high enjoy to get high, and they will use other sources. People who think you shouldn’t get high, are less likely to get into other sources. It is very clear that marijuana use will lead to much higher use of other drugs. It’s common sense.
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Bob,
And I will say from my experience, most people who use cannabis do not try other drugs, or if they do it was with a heavy night of drinking (as do those who abstain from cannabis). There is a correlation, but it is not as strong as Craig believes. While a correlation is important to note, it does not prove causation (the gateway theory depends on this). The correlation is a lot stronger with alcohol rather than cannabis.
July 6, 2018 at 8:09 am
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Bob – like I told Craig when he posted the same article/study which you both claim shows marijuana is a gateway drug, your link doesn’t actually prove your argument for numerous reasons.
1) The study is not actually about marijuana being a gateway drug!
“6,496, or about 12 percent, reported they were abusing prescription opioids. Of the group abusing these drugs, about 57 percent had used alcohol, 56 percent had smoked cigarettes and 34 percent had used marijuana.”
2) Study shows marijuana usage among opioid abusers lags behind alcohol and tobacco use. Do you feel alcohol and tobacco are gateway drugs too? If so, are they more or less of a gateway drug than marijuana?
3) Regardless of (2), this only implies a casual relationship between marijuana and opioids, not a casual relationship.
4) Again, your link isn’t stating marijuana leads to other drugs – just that those on opiods use marijuana … but at a lesser rate than alcohol and tobacco
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Man, your hate makes you out to be a fool on a regular basis.
According the the Christian, Captain Planet, “The Gateway Drug Theory has been disproven. This isn’t the 80’s.” Unless you think Yale is a reliable source. Or you are an honest person. Neither of which is CP, apparently.
Hey Craig,
Just google “gateway theory debunked” – how’s that for your own medicine (marijuana-based or otherwise)?
May = may not, correct? Yale’s research is not definitive and therefore proving the theory is still accurate. It’s merely a suggestion to try and placate people such as yourself. Consider yourself tickled!
Craig, for the love of Pete, reading comprehension:
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Exactly, Rosenblatt,
And, I am not advocating for people to use it. That’s a decision for an adult to make. But, if an adult makes a personal choice to, kind of like choosing to have a glass of whiskey, well then…
As if the expanding number of young users of marijuana – a proven fact nationwide – has nothing to do with the legalization movement by people like you.
But ask you to take responsibility for the negative consequences of the policies you favor? Oh, no. That would require you to be an honest, informed citizen with a conscience.
July 5, 2018 at 2:05 pm
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Reading comprehension man, seriously! You called me a drug pusher. You missed it when I wrote this:
And, I am not advocating for people to use it.
July 3, 2018 at 6:40 pm
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If you’re sincerely interested in discussing your link… although I don’t think you are…
1) It’s not actually about marijuana being a gateway drug! Try again.
“6,496, or about 12 percent, reported they were abusing prescription opioids. Of the group abusing these drugs, about 57 percent had used alcohol, 56 percent had smoked cigarettes and 34 percent had used marijuana.”
2) Study shows marijuana usage among opioid abusers lags behind alcohol and tobacco use. Do you feel alcohol and tobacco are gateway drugs too? If so, are they more or less of a gateway drug than marijuana?
3) Regardless of (2), this only implies a casual relationship between marijuana and opiods, not a causual relationship.
4) Again, your link isn’t stating marijuana leads to other drugs – what you and CP are debating – just that those on opiods use marijuana … but at a lesser rate than alcohol and tobacco
Nice try. Make sure to tell all your relative’s kids the same thing. “Rosenblatt doesn’t believe pot leads to other drugs, so have at it kids. No citations, don’t you know. . .”
Re-read the headline of the article. You really want to be in a position of denying the link like CP does? “Debunked”? 1980?
I re-read the headline. Please don’t post about the link until you actually read the study (or the summation of the study in the article you posted. Either one would be better than just reading the headline!)
All your blah/blah is just a distraction. As I stated, all the studies show that people who become addicted to drugs other than marijuana almost always start with marijuana. Gateway? Only if you ask the addicted their opinion.
The one thing we absolutely do know: The Gateway Drug concept was never “debunked”. In the 80s, 90s, 00s, or ever.
July 3, 2018 at 9:09 pm
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I sincerely hope you don’t get your news just from the headlines amd not the actual articles
July 3, 2018 at 9:12 pm
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And i guess i am distracting you from the headline … to get you to read the whole article and maybe even the study before commenting about it further
July 5, 2018 at 2:34 pm
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Craig,
We have discussed on multiple occasions that you do not actually go into the study to see the truth behind them. If you did you would see that your points are very biased without actual backings. Yes Medical cannabis does have issues, but it is not a gateway drug. If you believe this then sorry, but you are uninformed and stuck in the past. Get up to date on your actual research to prove a point instead of reading summaries of the studies.
Hunt said “I’d like to see more taxable revenue coming into our state and if that’s an opportunity to collect taxes, all the better — hopefully for education,” . – If she had read over HB788 prior to voting she would know for a fact that after the administration costs 75% of tax revenue will go to education instead of just hoping. It may as well be written loosely enough that it mirrors recreational anyway since that’s not too far off. In my opinion as problematic as the states finances are we should be happy its widely available.
The State has zero business over regulating, and taxing a plant. Their only interest in this is scamming the people out of more money to mismanage. Oklahoma needs fewer regulations and taxes as well as a smaller and less complicated government.
I call BS on “not well known”. Doctors even caution against caffeine. Anyone with half a brain knows you shouldn’t put an intoxicating substance in your body if pregnant. They just choose to do it anyway. Get real, man! You just love peddling this crusade and you are going to lose not only the battle, but the war. Tramp would probably say he likes the Craigs who don’t lose the argument.
July 5, 2018 at 3:22 pm
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P.S. Yale Medical School says it looks like a Gateway Drug.
What’ve you got to say it isn’t a Gateway drug besides your opinion?
Let’s say for the sake of argument, marijuana is a gateway drug. I say, make all drugs legal and let people decide whet they do or do not put into their bodies. Get the government out of our private lives.
If you harm another person while under the influence, punish them as harshly as you want, up to death. Kinda of like the harsher penalties for hate crimes.
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I think it is pretty much confirmed that people have hunkered down in their positions on this topic.
Funny thing is, none of our opinions even matter to lawmakers, judges, or anyone else who may have an actual say.
None of our opinions matter unless you vote. Or talk to people who vote. Where I live in North San Diego County, many people have changed their position on “recreational” pot as the evidence became clear about how damaging it is to young people/the unborn/dead people in car accidents.
Most of the more-educated communities of North County have rejected pot shops.
Not so in the much more Democrat/low-income City of San Diego. Hurt black/brown/poor kids? Exactly. Democrats could not care less.
The proof is everywhere: Democrats promote legal pot while 40% of African American women smoke while pregnant . . . and liberals do and say nothing to warn them of possible brain damage to the unborn child. Compassion!
Democrats fight against school choice while 40,000. black parents are on waiting lists for charter schools in NY City. Compassion!
Since when are Conservatives for increased spending, higher deficits, rising debt, unethical officials, dishonesty, and lack of personal responsibility?
July 6, 2018 at 9:45 am
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January 20, 2017??
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Same old Same old…
For pain, it works, other then that… Your choice, dont push it on me. .
This issue among others about marijuana is reminding us to beware of using this kind of drugs. To discriminate our behavioral attitude.
No one let ourselves to ruin someone lives in this drugs cause a highly symptoms in our society becomes in demand exploitation rapid growth.
Medical Marijuana is indeed, needed nowadays, because of its potential upon treating several and various ailments and diseases. It will be a great help to the medicinal field.
“We don’t smoke marijuana in Muskogee…”
–Merle Haggard, 1969
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Are you intentionally ignoring that many people actually do benefit from medical marijuana, specifically the CBD strands? I don’t understand why you’re opposed to allowing people to get relief from epileptic seizures, significant pain and/or the inability to eat (e.g. chemo patients).
I truly believe Mike does not know the difference between the medicinal non-psychoactive CBD compared the more recreational form THC. He is just an uninformed person who tries to chastise anyone who supports legalization (over 50% of the US population) as stoners.
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The Gateway Drug Theory has been disproven. This isn’t the 80’s.
you mean like the drunks i watch drive up and down the roads all the time. or the thousands of people who have that innocent can of Coors light between the legs on that drive home. If this Governor is right it will be the first time. the one sure thing is that she has been the worst one in Oklahoma History.
If you had any semblance of reading comprehension and memory, you’d know NOBODY on this site has EVER claimed marijuana is 100% safe.
Exactly, Rosenblatt,
And, I am not advocating for people to use it. That’s a decision for an adult to make. But, if an adult makes a personal choice to, kind of like choosing to have a glass of whiskey, well then…
“If you had any semblance of reading comprehension and memory, you’d know NOBODY on this site has EVER claimed marijuana is 100% safe.”
If you had any semblance of honesty, you wouldn’t keep making that statement.
Let me do the equivalent to what you just said:
No one has said that guns are 100% safe. Should that be my reply each time Ron says we need more gun regulations?
No?
If not why not?
So when let’s say Craig says that laxing pot regulations is a bad idea, and says there are risks to pot, you can just reply back that he doesn’t know how to read, or comprehend what you’re saying, when you constantly down play the affects of pot and are open to it’s deregulation and furthering it’s use?
When you say that you want to stop gun ownership, and regulate it more, conversely, I guess he could just keep saying the same to you:
That he never said guns were 100% safe, maybe you need to learn to read what he says, and that we don’t need any more gun laws, because I mean, the risks could be argued either way. This is the precise equivalent. I am guessing your reason behind this statement is two fold. One: You are image obsessed. Two: You support pot legalization, and are being dishonest in that debate, because you want to side step his argument, completely disregarding both it and him. It’s immoral, and not surprising, considering how often you do it. Punk.
When did i ever say we needed more gun regulations?
Please, for the love of God, STOP putting words in my mouth.
I replied to you here bob, but someone (I’d bet dollars-to-donuts it was Agent) got my post removed. Short version:
Agent: “Are you intentionally ignoring the downside of Marijuana”
Me: “…NOBODY on this site has EVER claimed marijuana is 100% safe.”
Bob: “If you had any semblance of honesty, you wouldn’t keep making that statement.”
Come on kiddo … what I said was 100% honest and totally relevant to Agent’s implication that I was ignoring marijuana’s negative effects in spite of me repeatedly stating them in numerous posts.
We are going to shut down comments on this article now as they have become repetitive among a small group.
I live in Oklahoma. I was an advocate for MM. The sky isn’t falling, It is needed as a medicine. It works for so many ailments. I am not saying it’s a miracle herb. I My pain management Dr. says I am a prime candidate for it. I have diabetic neuropathy, fibromialgia, and the depression that accompanies it. PLUS I have broken my neck, both legs, both feet, my pelvis, 6 ribs , left hand,nose, I have had 2 heart attacks, coronary artery disease . 4 stents in my heart. and fractured my skull, my coxsis(tailbone). I was in a coma for 8 days, other than that I am fit as a fiddle. A poorly tuned cheap fiddle but a fiddle none the less.Medical Marijuana works for these ailments. So Hell yes it is a God send for people like me. I am 62 years old.
Wow. Are you Evil Kenievel? Did you jump the water fountains at Ceasers Palace?
You sound like a Stoner, punk! /Agent
You do sound like a perfect candidate for MM. I hope implementation gets fast-tracked and you get the medicine you need!
I sure hope so. The less legislating or morality, the better. You know, small government and all.
Correction: “…legislating of morality…”
Great news. It will happen. It will benefit most of society as it has both medically and financially in other states. (In the meantime, the trolls can keep on trolling about gateway drugs, etc., but it won’t change a thing. Sorry, ancient trolls, coming to your neighborhood soon.)
“Ignoramous for Pot!”
20 years from now, you and all the Pot Fans will claim you knew how dangerous it was all along.
But of course, by then, thousands and thousands of black and white kids will have damaged their lives or worse.
Congratulations! “Progress”.
Craig … can you even name ONE poster here who has even ONCE claimed marijuana is harmless and completely safe? If you can’t, you need to stop pretending those in favor of medicinal and/or recreational marijuana are blind to its downsides.
Read what Great News just wrote: ” . . it will benefit MOST of society . . .”
What a laughable, ignorant thing to say, something that could ONLY be said by someone who thinks pot is harmless. It will damage most who use it, in small or large ways. Period. There is no science that says it won’t.
Geez. Try thinking Rosenblatt, before you spout the usual, silly, blanket, child-like “no one said it was perfect” logic.
THC won’t be legal for kids – black or white. Pretty sure it will be treated with similar laws to alcohol or tobacco. If an adult wants to potentially damage himself or herself with this and/or any alcoholic substance and tobacco substance, I believe they should have that freedom. And, the tax revenue could be put to good use.
You mean, IT WON”T BE LEGAL! Well then no kids will use it at all, right?
Just like no kids drink booze. Oh, wait! Ever since society endorsed legal booze, under age drinking sky rocketed. You don’t think that might happen again with pot, do you.
And what is happening with the use of marijuana by under age youth in America? Skyrocketing, right along with the liberal insistence on legalization. Duh.
Now, who would have thunk that might happen . . . because, you know, it is ILLEGAL for under age people you know.
Never could stand the smell of the burning joint but for pain or other reasonable medical issues I don’t have a problem. I’m not sure why you would want to inhale the smoke if you did not have to….your lungs are meant for clean air and our health care system is already imploding for overuse and expense.
I saw the first Mad Men episode and the smoking researcher concluded that Americans have somewhat of a death wish so they will smoke if they feel like it ; maybe we do to some extent??? Good grief!
It’s coming to the vote in MI — a sign in my yard says,” Nope to recreational dope!”
never tried it,
It doesn’t have to be smoked. Those who choose to ingest this have various methods apart from smoking. This isn’t the 70’s.
The Gateway Theory is absolutely true, according to nearly every expert in rehabilitation. It seems that only a very, very small percentage of people go on to harder drugs without starting with pot. It is estimated to be well under 5%.
And when rehabilitation experts talk to addicted patients, they routinely hear the same story:
the addicted person started with pot and thought it was no big deal, so why not try other drugs?
But you keep lying like a good Christian. It is what you do.
“The Gateway Theory is absolutely true, according to nearly every expert in rehabilitation” and “they routinely hear the same story”
CITATION NEEDED!!
And if you can’t back up your argument and/or reply with “well, you can google it yourself”, you have failed to support your argument and lose this part of the debate.
Do your own research. Try Google.
Or talk to 1 or 7 or 50 rehabilitation specialists and let me know what you hear. Because I have talked to a lot of them, and I don’t have time to introduce you to them all.
“Citations”. Man, you guys are boring. Like some kind of book review when real lives are being damaged.
I see you are unable to support your argument. In that case, I suggest you Google: burden of proof fallacy and hasty generalization before posting here again.
https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Yale-study-Marijuana-may-really-be-gateway-drug-3808375.php
Here’s one, however, I will state the following: There are many studies which push an agenda, and in this particular field, people tend to be extremely liberal and pro pot and thus would try to do studies that seemed to show marijuana in a positive light.
However, in this case, since studies are unreliable, it does make some degree of sense to just use common sense. People who smoke pot do so for the high. I have never met someone who enjoyed getting high who also didn’t to some degree dabble into something else, whether trying ecstasy, abusing cough medicine, going in and being glad they had to get pain pills (which I got rid of the one time I had to take them, since they made me too high) etc.
People who just enjoy to get high enjoy to get high, and they will use other sources. People who think you shouldn’t get high, are less likely to get into other sources. It is very clear that marijuana use will lead to much higher use of other drugs. It’s common sense.
Bob,
And I will say from my experience, most people who use cannabis do not try other drugs, or if they do it was with a heavy night of drinking (as do those who abstain from cannabis). There is a correlation, but it is not as strong as Craig believes. While a correlation is important to note, it does not prove causation (the gateway theory depends on this). The correlation is a lot stronger with alcohol rather than cannabis.
Bob – like I told Craig when he posted the same article/study which you both claim shows marijuana is a gateway drug, your link doesn’t actually prove your argument for numerous reasons.
1) The study is not actually about marijuana being a gateway drug!
“6,496, or about 12 percent, reported they were abusing prescription opioids. Of the group abusing these drugs, about 57 percent had used alcohol, 56 percent had smoked cigarettes and 34 percent had used marijuana.”
2) Study shows marijuana usage among opioid abusers lags behind alcohol and tobacco use. Do you feel alcohol and tobacco are gateway drugs too? If so, are they more or less of a gateway drug than marijuana?
3) Regardless of (2), this only implies a casual relationship between marijuana and opioids, not a casual relationship.
4) Again, your link isn’t stating marijuana leads to other drugs – just that those on opiods use marijuana … but at a lesser rate than alcohol and tobacco
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Man, your hate makes you out to be a fool on a regular basis.
According the the Christian, Captain Planet, “The Gateway Drug Theory has been disproven. This isn’t the 80’s.” Unless you think Yale is a reliable source. Or you are an honest person. Neither of which is CP, apparently.
https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Yale-study-Marijuana-may-really-be-gateway-drug-3808375.php
Man, that was hard. If I smoked pot, I would almost have had to put down my bong for a second to look that up . . .
Hey Craig,
Just google “gateway theory debunked” – how’s that for your own medicine (marijuana-based or otherwise)?
May = may not, correct? Yale’s research is not definitive and therefore proving the theory is still accurate. It’s merely a suggestion to try and placate people such as yourself. Consider yourself tickled!
You proud of your drug-pushing position? Seriously, Mr. Christian?
“Debunked” “1980s”. What a joke.
Craig, for the love of Pete, reading comprehension:
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Exactly, Rosenblatt,
And, I am not advocating for people to use it. That’s a decision for an adult to make. But, if an adult makes a personal choice to, kind of like choosing to have a glass of whiskey, well then…
And back you go to your “adults only” denial.
As if the expanding number of young users of marijuana – a proven fact nationwide – has nothing to do with the legalization movement by people like you.
But ask you to take responsibility for the negative consequences of the policies you favor? Oh, no. That would require you to be an honest, informed citizen with a conscience.
Reading comprehension man, seriously! You called me a drug pusher. You missed it when I wrote this:
And, I am not advocating for people to use it.
If you’re sincerely interested in discussing your link… although I don’t think you are…
1) It’s not actually about marijuana being a gateway drug! Try again.
“6,496, or about 12 percent, reported they were abusing prescription opioids. Of the group abusing these drugs, about 57 percent had used alcohol, 56 percent had smoked cigarettes and 34 percent had used marijuana.”
2) Study shows marijuana usage among opioid abusers lags behind alcohol and tobacco use. Do you feel alcohol and tobacco are gateway drugs too? If so, are they more or less of a gateway drug than marijuana?
3) Regardless of (2), this only implies a casual relationship between marijuana and opiods, not a causual relationship.
4) Again, your link isn’t stating marijuana leads to other drugs – what you and CP are debating – just that those on opiods use marijuana … but at a lesser rate than alcohol and tobacco
Nice try. Make sure to tell all your relative’s kids the same thing. “Rosenblatt doesn’t believe pot leads to other drugs, so have at it kids. No citations, don’t you know. . .”
Re-read the headline of the article. You really want to be in a position of denying the link like CP does? “Debunked”? 1980?
I re-read the headline. Please don’t post about the link until you actually read the study (or the summation of the study in the article you posted. Either one would be better than just reading the headline!)
Oh, please. The headline summarizes the findings.
All your blah/blah is just a distraction. As I stated, all the studies show that people who become addicted to drugs other than marijuana almost always start with marijuana. Gateway? Only if you ask the addicted their opinion.
The one thing we absolutely do know: The Gateway Drug concept was never “debunked”. In the 80s, 90s, 00s, or ever.
I sincerely hope you don’t get your news just from the headlines amd not the actual articles
And i guess i am distracting you from the headline … to get you to read the whole article and maybe even the study before commenting about it further
Craig,
We have discussed on multiple occasions that you do not actually go into the study to see the truth behind them. If you did you would see that your points are very biased without actual backings. Yes Medical cannabis does have issues, but it is not a gateway drug. If you believe this then sorry, but you are uninformed and stuck in the past. Get up to date on your actual research to prove a point instead of reading summaries of the studies.
Hah, we quoted the same one. I didn’t notice.
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Hunt said “I’d like to see more taxable revenue coming into our state and if that’s an opportunity to collect taxes, all the better — hopefully for education,” . – If she had read over HB788 prior to voting she would know for a fact that after the administration costs 75% of tax revenue will go to education instead of just hoping. It may as well be written loosely enough that it mirrors recreational anyway since that’s not too far off. In my opinion as problematic as the states finances are we should be happy its widely available.
The State has zero business over regulating, and taxing a plant. Their only interest in this is scamming the people out of more money to mismanage. Oklahoma needs fewer regulations and taxes as well as a smaller and less complicated government.
And more kids damaged by pot! Yay! (Oh, wait. Ignore those facts.)
Then lets make anything that can damage kids illegal Craig. Oh you don’t want to lose alcohol, cigarettes, and high doses of caffeine probably do you?
People are well aware of the dangers of booze/cigarettes, etc.
Not so with pot. Be real. 40% of African American women smoke pot while pregnant, exposing their unborn children to brain damage.
The number of African American women who drink alcohol while pregnant is a small fraction of that. The dangers of booze while pregnant are well-known.
I call BS on “not well known”. Doctors even caution against caffeine. Anyone with half a brain knows you shouldn’t put an intoxicating substance in your body if pregnant. They just choose to do it anyway. Get real, man! You just love peddling this crusade and you are going to lose not only the battle, but the war. Tramp would probably say he likes the Craigs who don’t lose the argument.
P.S. Yale Medical School says it looks like a Gateway Drug.
What’ve you got to say it isn’t a Gateway drug besides your opinion?
Let’s say for the sake of argument, marijuana is a gateway drug. I say, make all drugs legal and let people decide whet they do or do not put into their bodies. Get the government out of our private lives.
If you harm another person while under the influence, punish them as harshly as you want, up to death. Kinda of like the harsher penalties for hate crimes.
I think it is pretty much confirmed that people have hunkered down in their positions on this topic.
Funny thing is, none of our opinions even matter to lawmakers, judges, or anyone else who may have an actual say.
None of our opinions matter unless you vote. Or talk to people who vote. Where I live in North San Diego County, many people have changed their position on “recreational” pot as the evidence became clear about how damaging it is to young people/the unborn/dead people in car accidents.
Most of the more-educated communities of North County have rejected pot shops.
Not so in the much more Democrat/low-income City of San Diego. Hurt black/brown/poor kids? Exactly. Democrats could not care less.
Craig wrote, “Hurt black/brown/poor kids? Exactly. Democrats could not care less.”
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Right. Now that’s a leap of logic only a pothead could make . . .
The proof is everywhere: Democrats promote legal pot while 40% of African American women smoke while pregnant . . . and liberals do and say nothing to warn them of possible brain damage to the unborn child. Compassion!
Democrats fight against school choice while 40,000. black parents are on waiting lists for charter schools in NY City. Compassion!
Craig,
Unless you are donating tons of money, politicians do not care what anyone thinks, whether or not you vote.
If they did, we would already have congressional term limits.
Nice, useless anecdotal note though.
Thanks for the Cynicism.
You may have noticed that Trump is doing pretty much everything conservatives wanted. So apparently, voting matters.
Since when are Conservatives for increased spending, higher deficits, rising debt, unethical officials, dishonesty, and lack of personal responsibility?
January 20, 2017??
Same old Same old…
For pain, it works, other then that… Your choice, dont push it on me. .
This issue among others about marijuana is reminding us to beware of using this kind of drugs. To discriminate our behavioral attitude.
No one let ourselves to ruin someone lives in this drugs cause a highly symptoms in our society becomes in demand exploitation rapid growth.
Medical Marijuana is indeed, needed nowadays, because of its potential upon treating several and various ailments and diseases. It will be a great help to the medicinal field.