UT/TT Poll: It’s a Highly Partisan Issue but Texans Say Climate Change Is Happening

By Ross Ramsey, The Texas Tribune | November 7, 2019

  • November 7, 2019 at 2:49 pm
    Karl Wendler says:
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    Texas Tribune non-partisan? Right. Please.
    And how is this insurance related? Just another IJ sky-is-falling, climate change article to promote some kind of agenda. Give me a break.

    • November 7, 2019 at 3:04 pm
      Perplexed says:
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      I got a chuckle out of TT being non-partisan too.

  • November 7, 2019 at 3:11 pm
    Gordon says:
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    The climate changes, it always has. Most of us just call that “weather.”

    Chill out, all you Chicken Little’s out there, the sky is not falling.

    • November 7, 2019 at 4:40 pm
      Captain Planet says:
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      Gordon,
      Please describe the difference between climate and weather for the class. We’ll wait for you to look it up.

      • November 7, 2019 at 5:05 pm
        Gordon says:
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        Don’t worry Captain Planet, it will be ok. Mankind is not impacting the climate in any significant way.

        • November 7, 2019 at 5:21 pm
          Captain Planet says:
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          Can’t do it, huh? That’s okay, thankfully there are many of among us who can. Future generations can thank those of us who care enough to be good stewards of the planet later. As can whatever life follows humankind. Hugs and kisses, Gordon.

          • November 12, 2019 at 11:56 am
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            No, Gordon won’t follow you down a rabbit hole.

            Copied and saved as evidence and for legal review.

          • November 12, 2019 at 12:14 pm
            Rosenblatt says:
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            What rabbit hole? Gordon was the one who conflated climate and weather

          • November 12, 2019 at 12:56 pm
            Captain Planet says:
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            Yogi, what rabbit hole? Per Gordon, “The climate changes, it always has. Most of us just call that “weather.”

            I am simply asking him to explain to the class the difference, because, you know, there is one.

      • November 12, 2019 at 11:50 am
        PolarBeaRepeal says:
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        Captain Planet says: NOVEMBER 7, 2019 AT 4:40 PM
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        Gordon,
        Please describe the difference between climate and weather for the class. We’ll wait for you to look it up.

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        Copied and saved for evidence and legal review.

        • November 12, 2019 at 12:16 pm
          Rosenblatt says:
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          Make sure to include the comment that precipitated Planet’s question:

          Gordon says: NOVEMBER 7, 2019 AT 3:11 PM
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          The climate changes, it always has. Most of us just call that “weather.”

          Chill out, all you Chicken Little’s out there, the sky is not falling.

        • November 12, 2019 at 12:55 pm
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          Polar,

          I am also very interested in your legal review. What are you having legally reviewed? Why are you having it reviewed? If it was that simple comment, I want to advise you are really wasting your money.

          Do you have your own legal team reading over your own comments for legal review as some of the times your comments are personal attacks and off topic.

        • November 12, 2019 at 12:59 pm
          Captain Planet says:
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          I won’t hold my breath for your lawsuit.

      • November 12, 2019 at 5:41 pm
        bob says:
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        That’s a question for your side, that your side doesn’t understand.

        This poll actually matters, by the way, in context Rosenblatt, here’s something you fail at, it’s time for a pro:

        https://observer.com/2019/07/climate-change-republicans-conservative-solution/

        “With such an inconsistent message, it’s no wonder that the AP-NORC poll showed only nine percent of Americans are climate deniers. While 19 percent say they are unsure, the remaining 70+ percent not only recognize the climate is changing, but most of them (60 percent) also trust the science that says human activity is contributing greatly to this. If climate change becomes an election issue in 2020, it doesn’t look so good for the GOP and Donald Trump.” So in point one, climate deniers. So most people agree climate change occurs.

        Now the bigger of the two quotes:

        “The poll by the Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research and the Energy Policy Institute at the University of Chicago finds 74 percent of Americans say extreme weather in the past five years—hurricanes, droughts, floods and heat waves—has influenced their opinions about climate change. That includes half of Americans who say these recent events have influenced their thinking a great deal or a lot. About as many, 71 percent, said the weather they experience daily in their own areas has influenced their thinking about climate change science.”

        So, most people who believe in climate change have had their opinion changed by weather. Yet we constantly have this belittling as if the right is making their decisions based on weather or child like beliefs. Your side, the bullies they are, always say things like the phrase “class” and then use leading questions, degrading their opponents. Or like:

        ” I think most liberals have caught on that you don’t really believe what you’re saying, you just love trying to make them freak out.”

        These are extreme positions to take. Keep your own side in check Rosenblatt.

        I am very tired of this. I leave and you bullies dominate yet again. It’s very tiring.

        • November 13, 2019 at 8:13 am
          Rosenblatt says:
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          You’re calling me a bully because I asked if people were simply willing to agree or disagree with the findings that “the majority of Democrats believe climate change is happening while nearly half of Republicans do not believe the same?” and trying to get people to respond on-topic and not devolve the conversation into insults, attacks, off-topic rants and the like?

          I do not think “bully” means what you think it means.

          • November 13, 2019 at 9:31 am
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            Bob’s sense of what a bully has warped over the years. Bob has been a bully this year with multiple people. It isn’t bullying unless it is something he disagrees with and asking a person to confront those issues they disagrees with is bullying that person.

            His logic has been pretty bad recently. He also took a break which was nice.

          • November 13, 2019 at 11:35 am
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            I hear ya, and I guess I was also confused about his demand that I “keep [my] own side in check” – I didn’t realize I was the IJ police and had to respond to everyone even if they weren’t talking to me.

            Now when they DO talk to me and I don’t agree with their post, I do raise that issue (see my comment to Jon below that he wasn’t helping), so again, I’m not really sure where bob’s coming from.

            If we’re trying to keep this board civil and what-not, it’s better not to engage in off-topic rants or personal squabbles as, per Andrew:

            “Also, comments that are part of extended and repetitive squabbles between two and/or among small cliques of commenters are also inappropriate use of this forum.”

            and

            “If someone else strays from the topic of an article, there is no need for you to follow that person down that path”

            So I can’t keep “my side” in check (bob rules) without following people down their off-topic post (violation of board rules) or jumping into repetitive squabbles between posters (violation of board rules).

            So either I follow Andrew’s rules or bob’s rules, and Andrew’s rules will win 100% of the time. Bob can be upset with my decision, but there’s no need to call me a bully simply for adhering to board rules.

  • November 7, 2019 at 6:33 pm
    Hector Projector says:
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    Hint for all you climate change deniers for when you talk to intelligent people. Instead of saying climate change isn’t happening, say you disagree with the projections of what the average temperatures and sea levels are going to be in the future. Saying you disagree with historical data doesn’t make liberals lose their minds, it just makes you look dumb. I think most liberals have caught on that you don’t really believe what you’re saying, you just love trying to make them freak out. Your tell is that after you say it, you make that possum-like grin that Trump makes after he says anything.

    • November 8, 2019 at 12:41 pm
      Craig Cornell says:
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      Okay Smarter-than-Everyone-Else. Tell us how high the oceans will rise. And the date when they will reach that level.

      Tell us why NASA changed the historical temperature record 4 times. You know, in light of it all being “Settled Science” and all.

      Tell us how high the oceans have been in the distant past when there was zero impact by man, when CO2 levels in the atmosphere were MUCH higher than today (and the projected future). You know, back when life flourished on Earth.

      Al Gore said in 2009 we only had 10 years to save ourselves from catastrophe. Why was he wrong? And why is AOC and all the “12 years left to save ourselves” crowd right?

      And since polls show that 70% Americans who “believe” (funny word) in Climate Change don’t want to spend even $10 a month to solve the problem, what is your solution?

      Enlighten us, oh Condescending One.

      • November 11, 2019 at 1:02 pm
        helpingout says:
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        Calm it down there Craig with calling others condescending. That should not be coming from you, a person who is historically condescending.

        Additionally you kind of brought up the exact point of Hector, you disagree with their projections, and as we have discussed before, science is ever evolving and they adjust their projections based upon what happens around the world.

        Can you describe the difference between weather and climate?

        Stop holding yourself out as an expert bud. I have no way to tell you how all of that is going to change as I am not a climate scientist.

        • November 11, 2019 at 1:41 pm
          Craig Cornell says:
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          Hector Projector said all the “climate deniers” should consider denying what the projections of average temperatures and sea levels are going to be when those deniers “talk to intelligent people”.

          That’s what HE said, not me.

          Get it yet? Deniers are not intelligent. And so I asked Mr. Intelligent to tell me what those average temperatures and sea levels would be and when. So I would know what to say when I talk to intelligent people. Like you.

          • November 18, 2019 at 1:44 pm
            Well... says:
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            “Deniers are not intelligent.” Once again Craig shocks me and states something I agree with.

    • November 12, 2019 at 5:34 pm
      bob says:
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      We don’t believe what we’re saying and just love freaking people out…

      Yeah, you liberals have it figured out.

      Very much so. Sarcasm.

      Climate change is not beyond debate and I’ve gone over why. It is exhausting to talk with a side whose only reply to my data is basically what you said above. There are actual flaws here. The science community is being misrepresented. The consensus is being misrepresented. About as far as it goes is that climate folks agree Man can affect climate. That’s as far as that goes.

      How much? The consensus drops dramatically.

      Saying we can affect climate and then passing far reaching laws is absurd.

  • November 11, 2019 at 1:37 pm
    Rosenblatt says:
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    Let’s see how long we can stay on-topic and not devolve the debate into insults, attacks, off-topic rants and the like…

    I don’t care about your thoughts on the partisan nature, or lack thereof, of the places that did the poll, or your personal thoughts on climate change, or the science behind it, etc…

    Do you AGREE or DISAGREE with the findings of the poll that the majority of Democrats believe climate change is happening while nearly half of Republicans do not believe the same?

    • November 11, 2019 at 1:43 pm
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      • November 11, 2019 at 1:50 pm
        Rosenblatt says:
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        hap·​pen – intransitive verb
        to come into being or occur as an event, process, or result

        • November 11, 2019 at 4:12 pm
          Craig Cornell says:
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          Don’t you realize that parsing words and grammar is a Troll move on the internet?

          Climate Change was “happening” 10,000 years ago. It is “happening” today.

          The question is the cause. Asking someone if it is happening is stupid without clarifying the supposed cause. (Must have been a liberal asking the question.)

          • November 11, 2019 at 4:50 pm
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            “Let’s see how long we can stay on-topic and not devolve the debate into insults, attacks, off-topic rants and the like…”

            The answer is apparently 3, and one of those posts was simply defining a word that you asked what it meant.

            I don’t know what to say right except I’m really sad to see we couldn’t even get TWO people to respond before this devolved into insults and attacks and what not.

            That’s absolutely pathetic and quite disheartening.

          • November 11, 2019 at 4:51 pm
            Rosenblatt says:
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            *I don’t know what to say right now except

          • November 11, 2019 at 5:06 pm
            Craig Cornell says:
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            Do I agree that Climate Change is happening? Of course. Dumb question.

            Do I agree that Climate Change is happening solely because of man-made greenhouse gases? No. Another dumb question. The climate always has and always will change on its own with or without the influence of man. The question is the degree of each.

            Happy now?

          • November 11, 2019 at 7:44 pm
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            No, I’m not happy. You answered a different question than I asked. Please try again.

          • November 11, 2019 at 8:41 pm
            Craig Cornell says:
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            Do I agree that the poll said that? Of course. That’s what the poll said. Do you have a point? The question was stupidly phrased.

          • November 12, 2019 at 11:44 am
            Rosenblatt says:
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            Jon – you’re not helping matters with that type of reply

          • November 13, 2019 at 3:04 pm
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            The “helping” comment was solely in reference to my post which began this thread stating I was hoping we could “stay on-topic and not devolve the debate into insults, attacks, off-topic rants and the like.” Your post did not help that situation. I did not mean to imply other posts (outside this part of the conversation) were helpful.

    • November 12, 2019 at 8:05 am
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      My point was expressed in my first sentence: Let’s see how long we can stay on-topic and not devolve the debate into insults, attacks, off-topic rants and the like. Your posts have shown this to be a nearly impossible task.

    • November 12, 2019 at 5:36 pm
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      The nature of the poll matters, wording matters, how was the question asked?

      If republicans are asked if man made climate change is real, then in context to themselves, and over exaggerations of the left, they will say no, the advertised climate change is not real.

      And what is your point with this comment? All it really shows is a higher level of indoctrination with the left.

      • November 13, 2019 at 8:00 am
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        How do you not know what my point was? I was pretty clear and wrote it multiple times. Here it is again for you, Bob:

        My point was expressed in my first sentence: Let’s see how long we can stay on-topic and not devolve the debate into insults, attacks, off-topic rants and the like. Your posts have shown this to be a nearly impossible task.

  • November 11, 2019 at 2:58 pm
    Smooth says:
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    It was 60 degrees near St. Louis yesterday. It’s 27 degrees currently, snowing, and the low for today is projected to be 12. I’m not sure what this means, but I’m having another cup of coffee.

    • November 11, 2019 at 3:21 pm
      ralph says:
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      Stay warm, Smoov! maybe put a little something extra in that coffee…

    • November 11, 2019 at 3:53 pm
      Rosenblatt says:
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      …but wouldn’t you drink coffee even if it was 80 outside? I know I would :D (hey Norm – if you were a hot dog and you were hungry, would you eat yourself? I know I would!)

  • November 12, 2019 at 2:12 pm
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    Wait, I’m confused…why is this a partisan issue? Don’t BOTH parties believe Texas is real??? I’ve been there…it’s real. .

    • November 12, 2019 at 3:43 pm
      Smooth says:
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      Ralph – Of course Texas is real. Is weather or climate real? Maybe it’s all an illusion….. The heat we feel is little ghosts with handheld heaters sneaking up behind us. The wind? That’s just another ghost breathing heavily. Climate? Well now, that’s totally different! That’s when a group of ghosts get together and do things all over the world, but in unison.



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