Bill to Legalize Medical Marijuana Introduced in Kentucky

By | January 17, 2018

  • January 17, 2018 at 12:06 pm
    Craig Cornell says:
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    • January 17, 2018 at 12:11 pm
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      Sorry to hear about your son, but it appears the issue at play in your story was due to a lack of oversight where businesses were running operations in violation of state law. Nobody should be able to illegally run their business, and there should be significant penalties for those who do. Did you call the cops on the shop?

      • January 17, 2018 at 2:08 pm
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        • January 17, 2018 at 2:42 pm
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          Craig, I am so sorry that your son ruined his life. You are talking about a clinic that was run improperly. They should be punished and lose their license. The other side of this is that you have to put some blame on the people getting these fake cards, and it is up to the state to regulate these more such as state IDs. I ton of kids get fake ones and use them, and a lot of students ruin their lives with this. I witnessed it on multiple occasions. Pharmacy’s are also not the place to regulate marijuana, look at what happened with the opioid epidemic we are currently experiencing. And if the recreational places are opening up in low income areas, that is also fine. Government regulated drugs are more safe than the normal ones you can get on the street. That is one reason I do not understand why you would not want the US to regulate these things to make sure that if a law abiding citizen wants to partake in this activity, they can make sure the substance is safer.

          • January 17, 2018 at 2:52 pm
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          • January 17, 2018 at 6:25 pm
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            Craig, there are multiple studies that will refute your points that it is as bad as you perceive it. While if abused it can have negative effects on people. Does the same thing not happen with alcohol? The effects, short and long term, of alcohol use compared to marijuana show that alcohol is worse. The main difference being one is regulated by the government in order to make it more safe. It has been disproved to be a gateway drug. There is a study out there that shows marijuana actually helps kids stay away from harder drugs, and most people that use it stop eventually on their own. I do sympathize with you, I have a family member that went through something similar but with prescription painkillers they received from a doctor. It is impossible to have a system that no one can abuse because the market to get fake documents is easier than it was previously and the younger generation is just more technologically advanced. Marijuana can affect the brains of people under the age of 21 just like alcohol can mess up the IQ of younger people (as well as older people). That is why regulation of this is important.

        • January 17, 2018 at 2:46 pm
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          Okay, so you could call the Federal Government since it’s still 100% illegal federally. Or you could raise the issue (fake ID’s & shops not following the law to check ‘scripts) to your elected officials. You could call your local news channels and get them involved or file a complaint with the Better Business Bureau.

          It’s truly horrible what happened with your son and I’m sure it happens to others. I am not dismissing that; however, aside from your son’s decision, I don’t see how it’s anyone’s fault EXCEPT the business … and there are plenty of avenues to get businesses to operate legally under the laws in your jurisdiction.

        • January 18, 2018 at 2:27 pm
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          Craig, have you figured out from the comments that most people want to be high and they don’t want to learn the dangers associated with marijuana use. I feel for you and hate what these attitudes, bases on no desire to know about marijuana, has done to our young people. I have a grandson that tells me all the time about what a wonderful thing marijuana is and it wouldn’t be legal in so many states if it was harmful. Yeah, right.

          • January 18, 2018 at 2:42 pm
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            Perplexed,
            I do not want to get high, but I believe you are free to choose a substance has less risk than the legal substance alcohol. I did do a lot of research on the affects marijuana can have. The belief that is as dangerous as you and Craig believe has been refuted countless times recently by studies since it was legalized. It is not about getting high that most people defend it, it is really based on recent science. Do not downplay the other sides argument as defending this because they want to get high, that argument is childish and not cemented in any science.

    • January 17, 2018 at 2:33 pm
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      Sorry Craig, but you are living in one of the biggest pot markets in America. I think they call it “Big Pot” now for allowing such operations to exist. Most common sense folks know that “Medical” is just a ruse to go right to Recreational and all the attendant problems that causes.

      • January 17, 2018 at 2:42 pm
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        While I agree many people are for medicinal marijuana solely to get high “legally”, there are many studies showing the medicinal benefit of the non-psychoactive substance in marijuana (CBD). I’d be okay keeping marijuana illegal (but reduce it from a class 1 substance) but make CBD’s legal.

        • January 17, 2018 at 5:01 pm
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          • January 17, 2018 at 6:07 pm
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            More of the same nonsense from the same idiots even though studies have been posted here in response hundreds of times. Pathetic

    • January 17, 2018 at 6:05 pm
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      So your son is breaking multiple laws and you want to outlaw the behavior for everybody. So much for responsible parenting. If everybody has to live their life based on the worst or even bad parents, there’s no argument for allowing guns to exist in the US.

      • January 18, 2018 at 2:28 pm
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        One of the most insulting responses I have ever seen. You don’t have any idea what the facts are, but are quick to judge. If you have kids, may you never go through what I, my ex-wife, or hundreds of other parents have gone through.

        • January 22, 2018 at 8:25 am
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          Way to totally miss UW’s point. You are too emotional to make or understand a logical argument.

          Based on your logic, we should ban anything that can cause harm to our children; guns, knives, rope, prescriptions, cars, bikes, skateboards, all sports, school and social media (bullying that leads to suicide), etc.

          Millions, probably tens of millions of people have used marijuana with no lasting negative impact. many have used it responsibly to treat medical conditions.

      • January 18, 2018 at 2:48 pm
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        calling into question his parenting doesn’t help in this situation, unfortunately. Our kids will make decisions outside of our control, regardless of what we do.

        Craig–I am deeply sorry for your experience.

  • January 19, 2018 at 1:35 pm
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    I guess the “Reefer Madness” mentality still abounds. Alcohol is MUCH worse than marijuana.

    • January 22, 2018 at 1:57 pm
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      What a silly argument. “Alcohol is bad, so let’s promote another bad thing that isn’t quite as bad.”

      Under your logic, we should legalize the over the counter sale of most prescription drugs, because “alcohol is worse”.

      Lay off the pot, dude. Your powers or logic are failing.

      • January 22, 2018 at 2:49 pm
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        Hello Craig,
        Please stop perpetuating that the other side arguing against you smoke. Some do not. This drug has less danger than most prescription drugs on average, so your point does not make sense. Alcohol is much worse, but the key concept is regulation.

      • January 22, 2018 at 2:50 pm
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        *Perpetuating the concept that

        • January 22, 2018 at 3:16 pm
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          Test for helpingout: Which of the following statements are scientifically true:
          Marijuana can cause psychosis.

          Regular users can develop serious mental illness such as bipolar and schizophrenia (statistically, THC doubles your chances).

          According to rehabilitation professionals, about 1 in 9 users become addicted.

          It has been proven scientifically to cause a lack of motivation and a reduction in IQ in young people. It is now believed, although not yet proven, that marijuana use can stall emotional maturity, especially in young men.

          It can cause damage to the brains of unborn children, and 20% of pregnant women in America smoke marijuana and the number is higher for African American women.

          Colorado has the highest percentage of first-time marijuana users under the age of 18. (So, societies endorsement through legalization appears to have had an impact, and not a good one, for young people.)

          Answer to the Quiz: all of the above are true.

          • January 22, 2018 at 3:29 pm
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            Craig,
            Your quiz is outdated. These have been proven false. The key to scientific evidence is the ability to replicate studies and acquire similar findings. While it is easy to cherry pick data for sweet points that are taken out of context, it is still wrong. There have been multiple posts (from the comments) on IJ that refute what you are saying.

          • January 22, 2018 at 3:31 pm
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            Craig,
            I do not want to debate this with you anymore. You seem to be stuck in your mindset, with no way to see the other side of it.
            Have a wonderful week.

  • January 22, 2018 at 4:07 pm
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    I am actually very open to new information, but for some reason, no one ever provides it.

    Your “outdated” comment, combined with your shutting off communication tells me everything I want to know.

    In 10 years, everyone will know the science. But in the meantime, many young people and children will be hurt while the “deniers” spread nonsense about the harmless nature of THC. Which side will you be on? Those who regret spreading nonsense? Or those taking no responsibility for anything at all?

    • January 23, 2018 at 8:06 am
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      If you are truly open, then how about this perspective? Cost savings plus tax revenues could net tens of billions of dollars each year. Not to mention freeing up law enforcement officers to focus on more dangerous criminals.

      http://www.newsweek.com/pot-arrests-rising-and-youre-paying-millions-it-671478

      While no one is saying there are zero risks to marijuana use, it has been proven to be less harmful than several already legal substances. At what point do we stop looking to the government to protect us from ourselves and allow the people to have freedom to use a plant?

  • January 22, 2018 at 5:43 pm
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    Vermont’s Republican governor just legalized Marijuana for personal growing and consumption. First state to legalize without a ballot initiative.

    Tell me again, Agent and polarBear that this isn’t going to keep happening. Lololol.

    You know when pragmatic Republican leadership is even getting behind legalized Marijuana that it’s just a matter of time before it is legal everywhere. I give it no more than 10 years before at least 45 states have it legal in at least medicinal form, with another 25 or so making it legal recreationally, too.

    The south will lag and lose out on billions in tax revenues and will wonder why opioid abuse will continue to skyrocket and kill thousands…

    • January 22, 2018 at 8:13 pm
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      How is THC damaging? Not the hype, but the reality, backed by recent, reputable studies in the real world?

      Do you have pride in your own integrity? Let’s hear what you know.

      • January 23, 2018 at 12:04 am
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        I can only presume that you meant to respond to someone else.

        But, since we are here:

        It doesn’t matter if THC is damaging.

        Alcohol is damaging
        Tobacco is damaging
        Trans Fats are damaging
        Deep fried foods are damaging
        High sugar diets are damaging

        What gives the federal government the impetus to block one thing, and allow regulation on any other number of things. The side effects for many pain killers are far, far worse than THC’s effects on the body. I am not saying Marijuana is 100% safe or harmless, but I will be damned if I stand in the way of governing what one person does in the comfort of their own home when it doesn’t affect other people.

        If you redirect by spouting that same nonsense about pregnant women smoking, and blacks having higher incidences of smoking, teens trying it for the first time and so on: That isn’t at all what I am talking about. Those people should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, jut like an adult giving a minor alcohol, or a pregnant woman drinking or smoking, and so on. Just because something has the potential to be misused does not mean it should be banned. The positive effects of marijuana legalization far, far, far outweigh the negatives:

        Pro:
        Freedom
        Tax Revenues
        Freedom
        Spurious sentences for drug users thrown out, convicts can attempt to add to society once more instead of being a literal drain by being locked up for smoking a joint or two.
        Freedom
        Regulation to make it safer. If marijuana can be purchased at a regulated outlet, the THC amounts can be controlled and regulated and users are far less likely to get bad weed that is laced with some nefarious drugs or chemicals.
        Did I mention freedom?

        Cons to legalization:
        More people getting high? (mind you, 10s of millions of AMERICANS smoke weed regularly and the vast majority contribute to society. The image of a stoned-out pot head is a relic of the 70s and 80s. I could probably list 100 ultra-successful people who have or rountinely DO smoke weed.)
        Increased hypertension due to increased usage? (studies have been a bit weird on this, though, with a lot of inconclusive data being passed around as gospel)
        More funky smell in cities (I smelled it more than a few times in a weekend in Denver last year)
        Private Prisons may not meet inmate population requirements. (Not joking, this BS exists and it is terrifying)

        Seriously shocked that anyone can be anti-legalization in this day and age. I repeat: I have never, nor will I ever smoke or do any other drug for that matter. The thought does not interest me. But, I will be damned if my conservative upbringing didn’t teach me one cold, hard fact: The government that dictates every facet of life to its citizens is tyrannical.

        • January 23, 2018 at 2:03 pm
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          Lots of words. But you didn’t even try answering my question.

          Lack of comprehension? Lack of integrity? Lack of courage?

          In any case, boring.

          • January 23, 2018 at 2:58 pm
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            Craig,

            Your reply is proof positive you have absolutely no ability and/or interested in being open. You and your family experienced an awful, yet isolated nightmare with your son.

            Could you at least be honest and say your will not change your mind?

          • January 23, 2018 at 3:58 pm
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            Your post is the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears, slamming your eyelids shut and screaming at the top of your lungs, “lalalalalala I can’t hear you!!”

            Marijuana is no more dangerous than dozens and dozens of legal, well-regulated drugs, pharmaceuticals, and even foodstuffs.

            Focusing on THC’s supposed danger is like focusing on the crème inside of a Twinkie. Everyone knows it isn’t good for you. It contributes to obesity, diabetes, cancer, premature death, and so on. But is sugar illegal?

            Alcohol consumption is a known carcinogen, per the American Heart Association. It can cause cirrhosis of the liver. Impair judgment, act as a depressant and cause depression. Abuse of alcohol breaks up families and relationships. Should we make alcohol illegal (again?)

            I could do this all night for dozens of products that humanity interacts with on a daily, and sometimes hourly basis. Why choose one product, whose effects and side-effects are similar to many other legal products, and vilify it and make it illegal?

            Could it have anything to do with certain lobbies? Certain people with preconceived notions about the type of person who may be more likely to use it? Could it be that misinformed propaganda going back generations still surrounds the consumption of it?

            I say it’s a little of all three. Once again, I err on the side of freedom and the government staying out of personal lives.

            If you want to support the government taking authoritarian positions on what people are allowed to consume privately in the comfort of their own homes, remember what happened with Prohibition and the rise of alcoholism during the period, bootlegging, criminal enterprise and so on, and then wonder how an orderly and regulated approach to legal marijuana could solve many of the prohibition-style problems that illegal weed has caused in this country.

  • January 23, 2018 at 4:38 pm
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    I didn’t ask you to outline the dangers of Twinkies, according to science. What is the danger of THC, according to recent research and statistics.

    And yet you say I am the one avoiding the truth. Just hilarious. Humans have consumed alcohol for thousands of years. The impact is well known. Mass THC consumption is just beginning.

    Maybe you need more THC in your brain, since it is no more harmful than a Twinkie . . .

    • January 23, 2018 at 7:28 pm
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      InsuranceJournal deleted my comment, but to reiterate (hopefully you have selected to have responses notify you):

      -Marijuana consumption goes back thousands of years across all continents.
      -You think that it is just some sort of newfangled hobby that dope heads and hippies came up with in the 70s?
      -Inform yourself before you consistently drag down discussions.
      -you would be a more relaxed dude if you decided to smoke up every once in a while. In fact, members of your family would probably enjoy it, as well.

      IJ: deleting comments like my previous one and allowing all other forms of it is asinine. When you say, “we don’t have the time or manpower to police these boards” but still try anyway by selectively deleting posts, it ends up being a huge waste of time. If that is all you are going to do, a half-assed job, you might as well only delete or moderate obvious trolls or people shilling junk on here. Literally all of the other moderation you are doing causes more harm in the process. Craig is a big boy and if he didn’t like what I said, he should have the opportunity to react and respond to it.

      • January 23, 2018 at 9:46 pm
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        I am sorry you feel my human efforts to keep this comment section civil and on topic are a waste of time and asinine. Surprise! I do not share your view. You have no idea how many comments have been blocked before seeing the light of day or taken down after publishing. Perhaps you are aware that many publications have given up trying to maintain meaningful and open comment sections and closed them down out of frustration. We do not want to do that. We are considering new rules for this section. In the meantime, I am simply attempting to spare our readers some of the deluge of off-topic, non-insurance, insulting, often personal and political diatribes by a handful of commenters. It is not about protecting you or a few regulars in this section; it’s about creating a community that welcomes people of all opinions, insights and backgrounds. Most people want an open, lively and relevant comment section and most of our readers respect our rules designed to foster that. If you have ideas on how to make this forum even more constructive and educational and even fun for the broader community, short of just letting you post whatever you want, I welcome them. I also invite you to join me in thanking everyone who stays on topic, civil, concise and respectful.

        • January 24, 2018 at 11:19 am
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          Sir–I thank you for the job you do with this, and realize it probably isn’t always easy or enjoyable for you.

          I do have a few suggestions:

          1). all email addresses must be verified prior to being allowed to post. No nicknames will be allowed, only real names. This will get rid of the anonymity of the comments, but will also encourage more positive comments because if someone wants to post something negative they will need to OWN it. (Yes, I am aware of the irony behind this, given that my name really isn’t alexjonesisakook,nor does any email address exist for it).

          2). absolutely no profanity will be tolerated. Personally I’m not offended by it, but it’s not necessary on a professional website. Again, requiring real names would eliminate 99% of this.

          3). NO POLITICS will be discussed. There is a time and a place for it, and this is neither.

          4). no downvotes or upvotes allowed. I’m just as guilty as anyone here, and sincerely apologize to any of those I’ve hurt by downvoting. For the record, whenever I have downvoted It’s not an attempt at censorship.

          5). much like twitter, a character limit for comments. This will keep them brief but to the point. If someone can’t get their comment across in a few hundred characters, it’s probably not worth posting

          These are my suggestions, so take them for what they’re worth. Again, I thank you for the job you do and hope that eventually the comment board will return to the civil and educational place it was when I found it many years ago.

          • January 24, 2018 at 12:00 pm
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            Thank you for your constructive suggestions. The no profanity rule is in effect now and a few of your others we have under consideration. Stay tuned.

        • January 24, 2018 at 1:16 pm
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          I’ll co-sign on alexjonesisakook’s comments.

          I would love to see verified posting only most of all. I highly doubt that anyone would post some of the hateful things being posted on here if they could no longer hide behind the anonymity afforded them here. At the worst, it will make the boards more civil.

          Some of the commentary needs to be political, since the topic itself will be, but I myself, and I am sure dozens of others who read the site, are tired of everything being tied back to politics, even when, on their own, they aren’t inherently political topics.

          I would be more than happy to submit a login and verifiable name (via Facebook or some other source) to be able to post here. I stand by every comment I have ever made here and will ever make.

          My only other suggestion refers to the uneven moderation here. You have said in the past and currently that we could never know how much stuff gets filtered before it ever hits the board. If that is true, then why not implement a login system earlier? And when you choose to delete some comments, why do you delete certain comments as part of a whole “off-topic” conversations and not just the whole “off-topic” conversation. Nothing is more irksome to me to see some vapid nonsense being spouted, taking a few minutes of my time to respond to it with facts, and then seeing the inane BS comment remain while my response to it gets deleted. What that does is just cause the same likeminded person to try and respond to the comment and have their comment deleted, as well. Why not just delete the whole conversation chain? Unless your moderation tools are as such that comments just come to you without being attached to the topic they are with in some sort of RSS or automatic update system, I can’t imagine moderating the whole conversation would be any more work than deleting one response to the conversation.

          If you want to foment discussion, even when it veers slightly off-topic, picking and choosing random comments to delete on either side of the spectrum can only breed distrust and apathy for the mores of the site.

          Finally, can you once and for all finally ban all these gosh darn bots that keep downvoting posts all over the place! I know they’re out there, I can feel them!! ;)

          • January 24, 2018 at 9:02 pm
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            Thanks. We are once again considering requiring some form of verification or registration. To your other point: we have said many times that just because someone goes off topic does not mean others should follow. No matter how stupid or inflammatory their off-color or off-topic comments are, just ignore them. Ignoring them will marginalize and upset them more than your reaction. They become irrelevant to the discussion. It doesn’t matter that your reply to an off-topic comment is fiction or fact. Instead, talk past and over them with on-topic and substantive commentary. Speak to the insurance matters and talk to the insurance professionals. That way you won’t waste your time and our “uneven moderation” will not affect you. You might be surprised at the following you attract and you will be helping to change the culture here. You wrote: “What’s the point of responding to anyone’s inane comments if they are just going to be deleted?” That is exactly my point, there is no point in responding. We appreciate your participation and cooperation.



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