Florida Governor Signs Bill Allowing More Armed Teachers

By | May 10, 2019

  • May 10, 2019 at 2:15 pm
    Bob says:
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    Allowing Florida school teachers to carry and use guns in the classroom is one of the dumbest political decisions I have ever read. It is a clear political admission that the Florida Educational System is broken and the system admits to having no other way to protect school students in the state. Any insurance carrier who writes liability coverage on schools in Florida should seriously consider excluding all coverage related to gun use exposures in the classroom. There are many other ways to address the problem, the first of which is to lock the school doors!!!

    • May 10, 2019 at 2:27 pm
      craig cornell says:
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      • May 10, 2019 at 2:47 pm
        Vern says:
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        Yes, because EVERTHING is now a Left/Right issue. I am a conservative Republican who has been married to a Florida public school teacher for more than 30 years. I realize that that alone does not make me an expert but I would have to agree with Bob on this one. You do not want a bunch of guns in the hands of teachers. Psychological testing be damned!

        • May 10, 2019 at 4:37 pm
          SWFL Agent says:
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          This is a tough issue and I see it going both ways. There will be an instance where a teacher saves lives because he/she has a gun and it’s likely that some teacher’s gun will fall into the wrong hands or discharge accidently and a life will be lost. I have great respect for the jobs that teachers do. Not all teachers make prudent decisions. It seems like we read regularly that a teacher has inappropriate relationships with students and is caught and jailed.

        • May 10, 2019 at 5:03 pm
          Craig Cornell says:
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          Fine. Then address the questions I raised: with suicide rates rising, depression rates among young people going up dramatically, then quite logically more troubled young people mean that more shootings will follow.

          The number of mass killings today is something we have never seen before. Not that they didn’t happen, but not with this incredible frequency. The silliness of having “Stop Hate” rallies is obvious; the people doing the killing could not care less about such things.

          So, what is your solution, if not to arm willing, trained and capable teachers? More killings are surely coming; is THAT your choice? Do nothing? Well then the future deaths are on you.

        • May 13, 2019 at 1:34 pm
          Wayne Smith says:
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          Any teacher can legally buy a guy now if they are not otherwise prohibited. So I am to trust that teacher to buy a gun, be around my kids, but not trust them to do so at the same time?

          • May 14, 2019 at 9:37 am
            HillaRedacted Emails says:
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            Yes, it’s better to have teachers with guns than no guns because there will be some students / ex-students who will obtain them and (try to) use them illegally in schools.

            I, and presumably many others would, prefer to have the much LOWER relative risk of a teacher having guns than the HIGHER risk of students with illegally obtained guns doing harm, unopposed by a security guard or armed teacher on school grounds.

            It shows great hypocrisy by ‘Gun-Grabbers’ to claim teachers could go beserk yet ignore that possibility for much less mature and less vetted students / former students / school invaders.

        • May 13, 2019 at 2:25 pm
          bob says:
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    • May 13, 2019 at 10:27 am
      HillaRedacted Emails says:
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      Why not remove knives from the kitchen cafeteria cooking area? Or, baseball bats from the phys. ed. storage room? Or, chairs from classes that could be used to attack students? Or, pipes from plumbing that could be detached and used to beat innocent children? Or, …

      Psst: a shooter with a powerful gun or axe or battering ram could easily defeat locked doors. But they may not be able or willing to defeat bullets from a teacher’s gun used in self-defense and defense of students.

      • May 14, 2019 at 9:18 am
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        Why not remove:

        knives from the kitchen cafeteria cooking area? because they’re made to cut food

        Or, baseball bats from the phys. ed. storage room? because they’re made to hit baseballs

        Or, chairs from classes that could be used to attack students? because they’re made for sitting

        Or, pipes from plumbing that could be detached and used to beat innocent children? because they’re made for heat

        What are guns made for? Shooting either targets, animals or people. You can’t use a gun to cut meat, hit a baseball or use as a seat (comfortably, that is). Guns are SOLELY made for shooting stuff.

        • May 14, 2019 at 9:41 am
          HillaRedacted Emails says:
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          Ever shoot your gun in the air on a ‘day of independence’? Only birds are imperiled.

          What’s wrong with shooting animals… for food… or sport?
          What’s wrong with shooting targets… for practice when it’s needed for other stuff?
          What’s wrong with shooting evil people… for self defense when the perp uses a gun illegally?

          • May 14, 2019 at 10:35 am
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            Ever shoot your gun in the air on a ‘day of independence’?

            No – and there are two reasons why I’ve never done this:

            1) Firing a gun into the air is illegal in most states! Even in states that it IS legal, it is not recommended by the police.

            2) I’m not an idiot … “what goes up must come down.”

            Mythbusters identified two people who had been injured by falling bullets (again, that’s FALLING bullets), one of them fatally. Unless you shoot PERFECTLY vertical, the odds are the falling bullet will hurt and possibly kill someone if it strikes a person when it falls to the ground.

            As much as firing a gun is an awesome feeling, accidentally injuring or killing someone isn’t worth the risk to illegally and unsafely pop off a few shots into the air.

        • May 14, 2019 at 11:58 am
          Craig Cornell says:
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          Oh, Brave Rosenblatt. Predictably the Voice of the Left. No reason to even read his comments; you know what they are before you read them.

          Have some compassion: what’s YOUR solution? More deaths? They are coming, and wailing about taking away guns from over 100 million Americans is so ludicrous. It will NEVER happen.

          Did you see the Colorado students walk out on the clueless Democrats at the Pray Vigil who immediately used dead kids to talk Gun Control (after trashing prayer at the Prayer Vigil)? Even high school kids think you Leftists are heartless posers.

          • May 14, 2019 at 1:03 pm
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            Yes Craig – I am for the death of innocent children and for the total abolishment of the 2nd amendment. So glad you chimed in (end sarcasm).

          • May 15, 2019 at 11:41 am
            Craig Cornell says:
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            What is your solution? Seriously. All I hear from the Left is more gun control, a ludicrous proposal. What have you got? Sarcasm?

          • May 15, 2019 at 12:22 pm
            Rosenblatt says:
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            Craig wrote: No reason to even read [Rosenblatt’s] comments; you know what they are before you read them.

            Yet you now expect me to lay out my position in spite of your admission that you’re not going to bother actually read them with an open mind.

        • May 16, 2019 at 2:33 pm
          jax agent says:
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          Rosen – that is a pathetic analogy. Truly pathetic.

          • May 17, 2019 at 8:00 am
            Rosenblatt says:
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            Don’t blame me – it wasn’t MY analogy. I was simply answering the questions HillaRedactedEmails asked.

    • May 13, 2019 at 2:23 pm
      bob says:
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      Restricting gun laws is the actual stupidest political decision after a school shooting, seeing as kids in schools can’t own guns.

      As to your comment about admission of no other routes: You make the ignorant assumption that there is some magical cure they have not tried. If only they changed how they speak to kids about guns in schools, psychos wouldn’t exist? Nonsense.

      The only logical solution to protect children at that point is either metal detectors and extreme measures every day (slows down the school and too expensive and or difficult and may not work because you can’t lock down the whole school that way for entry ways.) or arming teachers, or hiring security with guns. Security in each room is way too expensive and impossible. However, hiring armed teachers is definitely a possibility.

      Craig, by the by, this clearly was not I.

    • May 14, 2019 at 2:24 pm
      FFA says:
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      I read it to be a safety issue not a political one.

    • May 16, 2019 at 2:40 pm
      Jax Agent says:
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      “Allowing Florida school teachers to carry and use guns…..” Carry and use. If they are using one it will be because someone is threatening the lives of school children. And, the very fact that there will be armed opposition to an attack will provide a tremendous deterrent effect. Like having an armed air marshal on airline flights – not all flights have an armed individual, but enough of them do to help create a deterrent.
      So far, all of these school shootings have taken place in an environment that the shooter could be very comfortable in – one where he is the only person armed. This will cause the cowards to rethink their plans.

  • May 10, 2019 at 6:17 pm
    Wayne says:
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    The facts are indisputable, when a bad guy shows up with a gun, the only effective response is to interdict with a good guy with a gun.

    When law enforcement eventually arrives, the incident is likely over but even if it isn’t, the LEOs do not know who belongs there and who does not. A teacher, well trained and well armed, will likely know who belongs there and can take prompt action, if necessary.

    The potential presence of armed teachers and their anonymity will also act as a deterrent.

    • May 13, 2019 at 10:29 am
      HillaRedacted Emails says:
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      That is also true of a school security officer with a gun, in addition to teachers willing to also act as such.

    • May 13, 2019 at 4:11 pm
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      There is no doubt that there will be an instance where a teacher with a gun will either act as a deterrent to an armed intruder and/or will help to save lives. On the other hand there will be a situation where a gun is removed from a teacher’s purse, a student overpowers a teacher and takes his/her gun, or a teacher has a meltdown and uses a gun.

      • May 14, 2019 at 9:45 am
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        Life is not without risk. Hence, we are here discussing issues on an INSURANCE website.

        The key question; which approach reduces the risk to the lowest possible level?

        If you answer the above question HONESTLY, instead of politically, you will no longer need to debate this issue. QED.

        • May 14, 2019 at 10:23 am
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          Agree Hilla, life is not without risk. I’m a little mystified though. What part of my post was political? In fact I don’t think I offered a position.

  • May 13, 2019 at 10:41 am
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    dunno about you folks, but I can remember a few absolute psychopaths I had as teachers when I was growing up. I’m still grateful none of them were ever armed.

    • May 13, 2019 at 4:53 pm
      Craig Cornell says:
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      Did you read the article? The teachers must be trained how to use the gun AND clear a psychological screening.

      And AGAIN, for the millionth time, with more mass school shootings in our future, what is YOUR solution?

      • May 13, 2019 at 5:01 pm
        rob says:
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        Craig–I generally don’t engage with you because there’s absolutely no point. My comment was meant to be facetious. Good day to you, sir.

        • May 13, 2019 at 5:33 pm
          Craig Cornell says:
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          Jokes in the comments about an article on how to protect kids from getting shot to death. Very funny.

          • May 14, 2019 at 8:00 am
            rob says:
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            I SAID GOOD DAY!

          • May 15, 2019 at 8:56 am
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            YOU LOSE! You get NOTHING!

      • May 14, 2019 at 9:46 am
        HillaRedacted Emails says:
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        Craig; liberals do not approach many issues logically, or with facts that contradict their agenda.

    • May 14, 2019 at 9:49 am
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      @rob; did those psychopaths carry guns? Were they vetted, with ‘severe’ background checks that would be required, per the article, to carry a gun on school grounds? Would such vetting also eliminate from the teacher pool (some or all) such psychopaths who are now sexually exploiting our children?

      • May 14, 2019 at 10:12 am
        rob says:
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        nah, this was the 80’s and 90’s…we didn’t have vetting. I doubt any of them carried guns and I’m pretty glad they didn’t. Perhaps I wasn’t clear…I doubt they were bona-fide psychopaths, but they definitely acted like it (I’m looking at you, Mr. Simpson, my 8th Grade Earth Science teacher).

        I’ll get serious for a second–This is a different era than when we went to school. We didn’t have metal detectors because we didn’t think we needed them. I do remember one incident when a kid brought a loaded firearm to school, but by the grace of God, nothing happened.

        My idea? instead of arming a teacher, why not have a security officer who has been specially trained for these circumstances? I’m not sure I want an firearm in a classroom where someone could potentially gain access to it who shouldn’t be able to access it…All it takes is one teacher to accidentally leave it unlocked or unsecured. Mistakes happen, and I’m personally not willing to take the chance with my daughters’ lives. Let the teachers focus on TEACHING, let the security officers focus on security.

        but what do I know? I’m a moderate / liberal / RINO / (fill in your favorite label with whatever makes you happy). Actually, the one label I’m most proud of is DAD.

        • May 14, 2019 at 2:54 pm
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          I get it.
          I had an 8th grade art teacher literally throw a chair at me. Was I being a moron in his class? Absolutely.

          Do I think he would have passed a background check and psych eval? Yes.
          Do you think he might have escalated to a firearm when I returned the chair in similar fashion? Who knows.

          Arming teachers seems like a bad idea, only because trained LEOs make poor decisions regarding when to use their firearm, regularly. Teachers are less likely to be good at that decision making process, which could result in dead children.

          According to most polls, (cue bleating regarding liberal bias), Americans overwhelmingly approve of stricter gun laws. NOT TAKING AWAY GUNS. Why is that? Because every scientific study shows that stricter gun regulations means LESS innocent lives lost, not more.

          • May 14, 2019 at 4:14 pm
            craig cornell says:
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            Let’s see your studies. I’ll bet they completely exclude the number of violent crimes prevented by a private citizen with a gun, as estimated by the FBI.

            Where does the US rank in terms of the number of mass shootings, meaning 4 or more people shot at one time by a single shooter? 56th. Behind France, Norway, and a whole host of countries you would guess were safer than the U.S.

            Wise up.

          • May 14, 2019 at 6:38 pm
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            Complete nonsense, not every scientific study says stricter gun laws work.

            In fact, you can find polar opposites on this, depending on the methodology.

            As for advocating stricter gun laws, the reason why people support it is because the mainstream media and schools overwhelmingly only show one side of the debate, and indoctrinate as many as they can.

          • May 14, 2019 at 6:40 pm
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            Per capita is an important part of that statistic that you conveniently left out, but that isn’t surprising. To put per capita in perspective, see the below exercise in statistical analysis.

            In 2016, the US ranked number two in the world by number of deaths by firearm at 37,200, but 20th, per 100,000. Greenland ranks 5th highest per 100,000, with 13. I don’t think anyone would argue that Greenland has a bigger gun problem.

          • May 14, 2019 at 6:41 pm
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            See: (cue bleating regarding liberal bias)

          • May 15, 2019 at 5:24 pm
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            “(cue bleating regarding liberal bias)”

            This is not an opinion, and it is not generalized. Schools overwhelmingly have liberal bias, and they overwhelmingly only pursue one side of the debate, or support one side, such as walk outs in favor of gun control, I’m betting you were not aware of the few schools in which the kids tried to do walk outs AGAINST gun control after shootings, and generally, they aren’t allowed to.

            The fact that someone says liberal bias is an issue on a clearly biased liberal issue, does not make their statement invalid.

            This is your attempt to make my statement cliché, whereas it completely is not. It’s quite obvious and provable, and tangible.

  • May 14, 2019 at 7:58 am
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    Sadly, this issue is too frequent in our daily lives. There were school shootings even in one room schoolhouses, but nothing like today. Instead of mental health facilities we lock up low impact drug users in prisons, at a very high cost to society and taxpayers.

    Our parish has a K-8 school with about 70 students. The doors are locked and you have to
    identify yourself to enter. But outside is the playground and parking lot etc… I have come to the conclusion the only way to protect our school campuses is fortified screening and barrier systems, very costly and time wasting. At a minimum you need metal detectors at the doors, to stifle the one kook that targets your school or a certain student or staff there!

    God help us!

    God help

    • May 14, 2019 at 8:50 am
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      I completely agree with you. I don’t necessarily know if arming teachers is the solution, but at the bare minimum we need to work on improving our mental health care system. What I do know is that “thoughts and prayers” don’t do a damn thing.

      • May 14, 2019 at 2:33 pm
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        I dont like the fact that they are advertising arming teachers. All you do is out a target on teachers – armed or otherwise. Why not just say someone in the school is armed? A Janitor? Lunch Room Attendant? Front Office Personal?

      • May 14, 2019 at 6:40 pm
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        “but at the bare minimum we need to work on improving our mental health care system.”

        No we don’t. Every time I’ve ever heard this suggested it is pointing to us returning to insane asylums when put to practicality.

        Working on improving people seeking help, maybe, working on laws to find mentally unstable people or report them (which was on our WA voting ballot this last go around) absolutely not.

        No matter how much you pretend you have new solutions, they are not new. This has been done before. Read some history. We don’t want the government more involved in mental health.

      • May 14, 2019 at 6:41 pm
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        And before you back petal and say you never meant government working on improving our mental health care system:

        You did point to wanting them to improve gun regulation and safety in schools, and this is clearly linked to you, the gun issues and mental health issues.

        I know for certain what you want to do with it, but you don’t want people to know, do you?

        You leftists only really care about being pious and good to the masses, and I can tell, you are a leftist.

        • May 15, 2019 at 8:17 am
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          i honestly didn’t realize I was a leftist…Here I didn’t vote for Obama either term, think Obamacare is a travesty, support the second amendment, lower taxes, etc. Then again, I didn’t vote for Trump. Either way, I’m not your enemy.

          i’ve never been anything but respectful to you, bob, and have said before that i respect your intelligence even when i don’t necessarily agree with you. you’ve made me look at many issues in a different light. with that said, i’m genuinely curious as to your solution.

  • May 14, 2019 at 11:10 pm
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    Clearly, there are individuals walking around in the public that should not be. Who decides who should be out there is something that can be determined by the states, on a bipartisan basis, managed by local healthcare professionals specializing in mental health therapy.

    Look at it another way; you are locking up people now who are probably only harming themselves with drugs — they really are not a threat to society unless they are a dealer or they drive under the influence of drugs. Someone who is mentally unstable may need to be away from society as that person may be a threat. If memory serves it seems some of these fruitcakes who have shot up groups appeared to be on the watch list or someone had taken notice of them as being emotionally erratic.

  • May 16, 2019 at 3:12 pm
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    Hopefully all of the hand-wringing and gnashing of teeth will be for naught. I’d like to think that every school in this country would contain enough level headed, responsible adults that the notion of having an armed teacher wouldn’t be so unnerving. I suppose that the worst part of this whole mess is that schools should even need protecting at all.
    Maybe if schools did a better job of handling bullying/ maybe if parents did a better job of teaching their children how to deal with a bully/ maybe if making mental health records available in a nationwide data base/ maybe if …….
    While violence at schools is awful, it’s not the only place where innocent people are accosted by bad people. I won’t go out to dinner at night without carrying a concealed weapon. Been doing so for over 30 years, never once had to use it and hope it stays that way, but………I’m not willing to have to sit on my hands or lay on the floor while some thug drags my wife or anyone’s wife off for whatever. To each his own.



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