um..um… if you go camping in the woods, you know the dangers. it does not matter if this was the bear that had attacked a previous human. it could have been a different one. you can’t have uncle sam protect you in every case. if a snake crawled into your tent and you are bitten by this venomous animal, are you going to sue uncle sam? i think you might have to find an animal lawyer, sequester or detain the defendant. read the animal his rights. then we bring that animal to court for a pre-trial hearing and see if the d.a. will ask for bond or jail (animal might flee the court jurisdiction). if i were the defendant, i would request a trial by my peers!! i could see them trying to fill those seats. um..um… maybe a bear, racoon, squirrel, deer, elk, mongoose and a few others might be a good selection for the lawyer to help his case for defense of this lovely animal. create a public affairs announcement with smokey. um…um…
I agree wudchuck – some personal responsibility would be nice – you are camping in the wilderness…I don’t know. I agree with you in wondering if it was in fact the same bear or another bear – hard to tell.
As traject as this is… May be the state of Utah should sue the parants for not putting their child in a bear proof tent, as they should have know there are dangeous animals in the woods. May be the parants should go to jail for child neglect placing a child in harms way. Or maybe it is our judicial system to allow claims like this to even get to the courts.
I really don’t know which way to go on this one. I agree there are many dangers with camping, bears, mountain lions, skunks; however, if the Forest Ranger knew of an attack that just happened, shouldn’t they at least put up a sign in the area or drive by campers and say, “Hey, just so you know, there has been a bear attack today in the area. Tell everyone you happen to see about it.” That way people will be able to make a decision to stay or not. Bears don’t naturally attack humans. Like any animal they try to stay away, however it does happen and when it does, shouldn’t we have the warning? What about when schools lock down because a guy is in a mile radius that committed a crime? Should they not be warned? I would think more so NO to the schools because I can almost guarantee that someone in a mile radius of any school has committed a crime. To me the bear attack is much more rare then a criminal near a school. What’s sad is we’ll kill animals that attack even if they do not have rabbies, but we’ll let humans live forever that committ murders or attack another human, being rape or attempted murder.
Most Federal and State parks have warnings with reguard to wild animal dangers – few people read them. Some parks require a similar warning in registration documents – few people really read them. Parents are responsible for their childen’s safety – not the parks! Sad and terrifying event and a tragic end to a child’s life, but the child now rest in the hands of God so end this quest for revenge and money!!! Accept the results of some bad choices – blaming the park services does not absolve this issue.
People live in houses. Wild animals live in the woods. This is their home. Everyone knows this. And if you don’t, crawl out from under the rock you live under once in a while. If you opt to camp out in a tent in the woods, you assume the risk of being eaten/mauled by wild a animal. Lawsuits in these cases should be banned. Period.
I agree there is an assumption of risk when camping in the wilderness. However if the park did know of a bear attack that day they should have provided additional warnings.
At least the family is only asking for $100,000+ something, not millions like we so often see.
Although we don’t know what they are asking for in their separate suit against the U.S. Forest Service in federal court.
Warnings….? That’s like saying if a bear sh&$#@() in the woods and you slipped and fell in it you could sue because they didn’t clean it up…
Who doesn’t watch TV – When Animals Attack (okay…let’s not forget, II III, IV, V VI… you get the picture)
GMAB – People have no business being in the woods if they don’t know that they run the risk of an encounter with a wild animal – Warning or not – I think the entire issue rests on COMMON SENSE AND PERSONAL RESPONISBILITY – Let’s go people – Get with the program or stay home…
American Fork Canyon has ONE visitors station – it is a national park – there are trailheads everywhere and primitive camping is allowed – there are over a million people that pass through this place in a year – What part of WILDerness do you not understand…?
When will frivilous lawsuits like this end? Oh yeah, never. Stupid lawsuit from stupid parents egged on by sick & greedy lawyers. case should be dismissed on the assumption of risk doctrine. Camping out in the woods? Watch out for animals that may or may not harm you. F-N idiotic parents.
Don’t be too much of a bleeding heart. These people intruded on the bear’s territory as we all do in the wilderness. The only reason they are suing the state is because they couldn’t find the bear’s liability policy. Besides, intentional acts are not covered anyway (had to throw that in, sorry!).
Shocking?!! You go into the forrest and a bear eats your kid? Did you expect kitty cats? That what is IN the forrest. The State nor Forrest Service should have no liability as you travel and camp at your OWN Risk.
Y’all know me. Know how I earn a livin’. I’ll catch this bird for you, but it ain’t gonna be easy. Bad bear. Not like going down the alley chasin’ cats. This bear, swallow you whole. Little shakin’, little tenderizin’, an’ down you go. And we gotta do it quick, that’ll bring back your tourists, put all your businesses on a payin’ basis. But it’s not gonna be pleasant. I value my neck a lot more than three thousand bucks, chief. I’ll find him for three, but I’ll catch him, and kill him, for ten. Ten thousand dollars for me by myself. For that you get the head, the tail, the whole damn thing.
um..um… if you go camping in the woods, you know the dangers. it does not matter if this was the bear that had attacked a previous human. it could have been a different one. you can’t have uncle sam protect you in every case. if a snake crawled into your tent and you are bitten by this venomous animal, are you going to sue uncle sam? i think you might have to find an animal lawyer, sequester or detain the defendant. read the animal his rights. then we bring that animal to court for a pre-trial hearing and see if the d.a. will ask for bond or jail (animal might flee the court jurisdiction). if i were the defendant, i would request a trial by my peers!! i could see them trying to fill those seats. um..um… maybe a bear, racoon, squirrel, deer, elk, mongoose and a few others might be a good selection for the lawyer to help his case for defense of this lovely animal. create a public affairs announcement with smokey. um…um…
am i dreaming?
I agree wudchuck – some personal responsibility would be nice – you are camping in the wilderness…I don’t know. I agree with you in wondering if it was in fact the same bear or another bear – hard to tell.
As traject as this is… May be the state of Utah should sue the parants for not putting their child in a bear proof tent, as they should have know there are dangeous animals in the woods. May be the parants should go to jail for child neglect placing a child in harms way. Or maybe it is our judicial system to allow claims like this to even get to the courts.
I’m getting a bad rap here. I have a COI from the state that shows CG 20 33 and CG 20 37 so they need to cover me.
The Bear
Leave me alone. I was just after the pic-i-nic basket. The kid wouldn’t let go.
I really don’t know which way to go on this one. I agree there are many dangers with camping, bears, mountain lions, skunks; however, if the Forest Ranger knew of an attack that just happened, shouldn’t they at least put up a sign in the area or drive by campers and say, “Hey, just so you know, there has been a bear attack today in the area. Tell everyone you happen to see about it.” That way people will be able to make a decision to stay or not. Bears don’t naturally attack humans. Like any animal they try to stay away, however it does happen and when it does, shouldn’t we have the warning? What about when schools lock down because a guy is in a mile radius that committed a crime? Should they not be warned? I would think more so NO to the schools because I can almost guarantee that someone in a mile radius of any school has committed a crime. To me the bear attack is much more rare then a criminal near a school. What’s sad is we’ll kill animals that attack even if they do not have rabbies, but we’ll let humans live forever that committ murders or attack another human, being rape or attempted murder.
Dude. Gary. Not only did you post your comment three times, but your spelling is atroctius.
That’s A-T-R-O-C-I-O-U-S.
Oh snap! Speaking of spelling, I had a typo.
Correction:
Not only did you post your comment three times, but your spelling is “atrocious.”
Doh! Smacks forhead. TGIF. Is it happy hour yet?
Most Federal and State parks have warnings with reguard to wild animal dangers – few people read them. Some parks require a similar warning in registration documents – few people really read them. Parents are responsible for their childen’s safety – not the parks! Sad and terrifying event and a tragic end to a child’s life, but the child now rest in the hands of God so end this quest for revenge and money!!! Accept the results of some bad choices – blaming the park services does not absolve this issue.
People live in houses. Wild animals live in the woods. This is their home. Everyone knows this. And if you don’t, crawl out from under the rock you live under once in a while. If you opt to camp out in a tent in the woods, you assume the risk of being eaten/mauled by wild a animal. Lawsuits in these cases should be banned. Period.
I agree there is an assumption of risk when camping in the wilderness. However if the park did know of a bear attack that day they should have provided additional warnings.
At least the family is only asking for $100,000+ something, not millions like we so often see.
Although we don’t know what they are asking for in their separate suit against the U.S. Forest Service in federal court.
Yo – Gary…
Tragedy
Tragic
Trajectory
Traject…?
Enough said on the spelling lesson…
Warnings….? That’s like saying if a bear sh&$#@() in the woods and you slipped and fell in it you could sue because they didn’t clean it up…
Who doesn’t watch TV – When Animals Attack (okay…let’s not forget, II III, IV, V VI… you get the picture)
GMAB – People have no business being in the woods if they don’t know that they run the risk of an encounter with a wild animal – Warning or not – I think the entire issue rests on COMMON SENSE AND PERSONAL RESPONISBILITY – Let’s go people – Get with the program or stay home…
American Fork Canyon has ONE visitors station – it is a national park – there are trailheads everywhere and primitive camping is allowed – there are over a million people that pass through this place in a year – What part of WILDerness do you not understand…?
When will frivilous lawsuits like this end? Oh yeah, never. Stupid lawsuit from stupid parents egged on by sick & greedy lawyers. case should be dismissed on the assumption of risk doctrine. Camping out in the woods? Watch out for animals that may or may not harm you. F-N idiotic parents.
Don’t be too much of a bleeding heart. These people intruded on the bear’s territory as we all do in the wilderness. The only reason they are suing the state is because they couldn’t find the bear’s liability policy. Besides, intentional acts are not covered anyway (had to throw that in, sorry!).
“Besides, intentional acts are not covered anyway (had to throw that in, sorry!).”
LOL.
I was just playing devil’s advocate.
Shocking?!! You go into the forrest and a bear eats your kid? Did you expect kitty cats? That what is IN the forrest. The State nor Forrest Service should have no liability as you travel and camp at your OWN Risk.
whiner. Should not have rubbed honey on the kid.
Y’all know me. Know how I earn a livin’. I’ll catch this bird for you, but it ain’t gonna be easy. Bad bear. Not like going down the alley chasin’ cats. This bear, swallow you whole. Little shakin’, little tenderizin’, an’ down you go. And we gotta do it quick, that’ll bring back your tourists, put all your businesses on a payin’ basis. But it’s not gonna be pleasant. I value my neck a lot more than three thousand bucks, chief. I’ll find him for three, but I’ll catch him, and kill him, for ten. Ten thousand dollars for me by myself. For that you get the head, the tail, the whole damn thing.