Proposed Pit Bull Ban Concerns Hawaii Dog Owners

January 30, 2009

  • January 30, 2009 at 12:31 pm
    Dan says:
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    Pit Bulls and Rottweillers have always been at the top of the list for being vicious, prone to attack, and maime and kill, not just bite. These are genetic propensities that could be dormant for years, then suddenly, they go off on some defenseless victim. The rights of human beings to walk the streets without fear of being attacked by one of these animals trumps the right of people to own one. A quick look at the profile of what kind of people own these breeds will tell you something of their level of common sense and respect for other humans. Having liability insurance is not an issue. Society should take whatever precautions necessary to protect PEOPLE from these breeds. To those who believe they’re great pets that aren’t dangerous I say…….what if one mauled a kid? What do say then…”oops, sorry, I was wrong? I’ve handled claims involving maulings by these dogs and I can’t describe how they destroy lives. They aren’t the usual dog bit like most breeds. They’re usually catastrophic. There are plenty of other breeds without the history of these two that people can choose from.

    • January 25, 2011 at 4:38 pm
      cherie aiken says:
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      where do you get your information or should I say mis-information. I know for a fact that this breed gets an unfair rap. These dogs were originally bred to be companions and family dogs. I’ts very unfortunate that there are owners who are not only irresponsible, but they grossly abuse and mistreat their dogs. These animals are victims every day, they are mauled , forced to fight and if their perfomance is un acceptable, they are tortured and killed. I’m fairly sure that would make anyone of us mean and aggredssive. All these dogs want is to be loved and to please their masters. It’s because of ignorant people that this is a reality, not because of the innocent dogs. Just for the record I am a working professional, with a three figure income, and I am aproud owner of a very, very loving and loyal Pit Bull !!!

  • January 30, 2009 at 12:46 pm
    Doggie says:
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    If you did your homework, you would know that the neighbor with nice quiet dog that looks like a pit bull but is a terrior did not get a cross mate species and did not train it to be a nasty animal.

    The Rottweiller is a kind gentle dog as well. It is how you train the dog to react to others that forces them to be mean. Mean people train mean dogs.

    Kinda like kids, you know? The “dog biscuit” does not fall far from the hand that buys it.

  • January 30, 2009 at 12:50 pm
    DgLvr says:
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    After Pit Bulls and Rotties, what’s next – Weimerraners, Shepherds, Mastiffs?

  • January 30, 2009 at 12:59 pm
    Brokette says:
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    I’d prefer to euthanize the owners of these dogs. It’s much easier to rehab a dog than a human. Our penal system continues to prove it and the Best Friends Animal Sanctuary has worked wonders with the Michael Vick dogs.

  • January 30, 2009 at 1:12 am
    gina says:
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    Does getting rid of one specific breed really solve the problem of mean dogs? I’m not sure:
    http://blog.insweb.com/2009/01/ban_dog_breed_stop_dog_bites.html

  • January 30, 2009 at 1:28 am
    Safety Guy says:
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    While I am for doing something with this breed, I wonder if the legislation will address mixed breeds? Does the dog have to be at least 80-20 pit bull? 70-30?

    How is anytone going to tell with all the mixes out there?

    As I saw on a pick-up truck rear window (with a decal of a pit bull on it) not long ago….’Ban the deed, not the breed’ is the only way to go.

  • January 30, 2009 at 1:29 am
    Anthony says:
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    Most of you are missing the point. The issue is the nature and extent of the injuries these two breeds are known to cause. They’re UNLIKE ANY OTHER BREED. Check the national stats for breeds that KILL, MAIME, AND MAUL. Pits and Rotties. Some of you jump to generalizing that “what’s next”. You people just don’t get it. These animals are intimidating to most people. DOGS ARE NOT ENTITLED TO THE SAME RIGHTS AS HUMANS. I’m with Brokette, the owners are the root cause. I can tell you one thing, if your Pit or Rotweiller mauls anyone in my family I’m coming for YOU.

  • January 30, 2009 at 1:54 am
    Sandra says:
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    Cute bumper sticker, but you can’t “ban the deed”. The root cause is the genetic composition and propensity of certain breeds and their physical ability to destroy humans, not just bite them and stop. They hold on and rip flesh and don’t quick until someone pulls them off or kills them. That’s the reality and there should be no discussion. They’re an unacceptable risk to the public. So are their owners who blindly defend them. I agree with Anthony, it’s the owners who steadfastly refuse to consider the greater good that need attention.

    • August 1, 2012 at 9:57 am
      Megan says:
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      This is the dumbest comment I have ever read. You are highly misinformed lady and I don’t know where you get your “information” but you should probably check your stats before posting some dumbass shit like this. These animals were breed to fight off animals like bears and other large animals… a pit bulls main goal is to please its master. They enjoy doing that. They don’t have “lock jaw” as you are referring to. A german shepards and a rottweilers bite has more pounds per square inch than a pit bull.

  • January 30, 2009 at 2:09 am
    bob says:
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    I sure hope it passes. If there was ever a breed of dog that needs to be eradicated, it’s these monsters.

  • January 30, 2009 at 2:26 am
    chain link says:
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    Uh, ever hear of a fence? Dogs in fences don’t bite unless the stupid person hops the fence. Most state dog laws restrict behavior, not breeds since other dogs can do nasty damage too. If the fence is big enough no dog is going to clear it. End of story. The dog claims I know of were sheer stupidity – mom wasn’t watching kid, kid climbs into pen with momma dog with puppies — the results of that are a no brainer. Train the people, or dumb people shouldn’t be allowed to have dogs.

  • January 30, 2009 at 2:28 am
    DD72 says:
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    I’m a 36 year old white female owning a $500K home w/homeowners association. I have a job as an insurance agent, go to church, and am married. My fur-child is an American Bull Dog. He’s considered a bully breed. I’d defend him and my right to own him to the ends of the earth. He’s sweet. His parents are sweet, so were his grandparents, etc. Yes he could do damage if he bit, but NOT EVERY bully does bite. I agree if they attack, they should be put down, but not all should bear the penalty for a few bad dogs. Are we hunting down cougars, bears, wildlife that could kill. No, only the ones that have. Give the poor dogs and owners a break. The more I see of people, the more I love my dogs.

  • January 30, 2009 at 3:21 am
    Digger says:
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    Typical comments from a dog lover. I love dogs too……domesticated dogs. What do you mean “if one bites, it should be put down”? It’s a little late after it’s mauled or killed a kid. PREVENTION is the issue. There is no reason to harbor an animal that can do that much damage…….the risk to humans is simply too great. What don’t you get? Most attacks aren’t in a fenced in yard either. And stop the crap about bears and lions. They’re in the wild. People want this big “attitude” animals because of their own attitudes. Woe be the owner of one that attacks me or my family.

  • January 30, 2009 at 3:34 am
    DD72 says:
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    Prevention is the issue…so let’s lock up all men between the ages of 18-34 that will kill or commit a violent crime. They’re animals. Dogs were wild before we domesticated. The inbred are timebombs, not the well-bred dogs. There’s more to the issue than just a breed. My comments may be typical of a dog lover, but yours are typical of a parent. All kids should be a on a leash and lots of attacks wouldn’t even happen, parents need to parent their kids to keep them out of harms way instead of letting them wander into other people’s yards or the street.

  • January 30, 2009 at 4:20 am
    Brokette says:
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    I’m with you. I was attacked by a child with a little plastic shopping cart in the supermarket. Ran right up my heel with that stupid thing. I’d like to get my hands on the genius who thought giving itty-bitty shopping carts to kids was a good idea.
    On a serious note, I’ve had decades of experience training dogs and I can attest to the fact that dogs (all breeds including mixes) have an amazing ability to learn new skills (yes, even the old ones). It’s the people with the desire, creativity and patience who succeed in giving their animals the social skills to make them acceptable members of an open community. It can be done. Maybe we should force some sort of licensing/training mechanism on Pit Bull owners. If they really have a true affinity for the breed, they shouldn’t mind the extra regulation.

  • January 30, 2009 at 4:40 am
    cat lady says:
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    Banning the breed is not the solution. It’s bad owners who let dogs run lose, don’t keep them on a leash, don’t fence the yard, train them to be aggressive. Yes, bitpulls are probably more genetically prone to being aggressive but they can be kept under control. Enforcing proper dog ownership is difficult, but banning a breed is no better solution.

  • January 30, 2009 at 5:28 am
    Responsible American says:
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    If you can’t ban the stupid people who own vicious animals, then you must ban the animals.

  • January 30, 2009 at 5:58 am
    Brokette says:
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    Isn’t it interesting that we are so willing to let people who kill have second and third chances but an animal acting on instinct must be put down when, in fact, it’s the human that we have cut so much slack who’s really to blame here?

  • January 31, 2009 at 7:25 am
    nobody important says:
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    I love animals, but they aren’t people. My son had one of these dogs for a couple years. Treated it like a baby and loved it to death, until it became jealous of their baby and started growling at it right after trying to chase down a jogger. It wasn’t trying to play with the jogger. They found another owner, but these breeds have been bred for generations to be what they are, vicious animals, not people. I don’t believe in mistreating animals in any way, but don’t talk about them as though they were people, they aren’t. Dog or baby? Not a real choice there.

  • February 1, 2009 at 11:38 am
    Nuff Said says:
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    Insurance Information Institute, in June of 2008 released info on dog bite claims as follows: 1/3 of all H.O. liability claims, costing $356.2 million in 2007 were attributed to dog bites. According to the Centers for Disease Control there were more than 4.7 million people bitten by dogs resulting in over 800,000 injuries that required medical attention. I agree that dogs properly trained are probably not the problem. But you have to know more than the subject being trained, and therein lies the problem.

  • February 2, 2009 at 11:19 am
    Mike says:
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    Some things are just too dangerous to trust people with. Like assault weapons, pet mountain lions, decommissioned tanks -And maybe even pit bulls.

    Its sad that it has come to this, but unfortunately they should have special licenses for owners of pit bulls.

    When something does go wrong, it goes really wrong, just like having high powered illegal fireworks.

  • February 2, 2009 at 12:49 pm
    Brokette says:
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    I don’t want to turn this into a debate over capital punishment but people act with intent–dogs act on instinct. Seems to me that we should consider killing those who commit intentional acts of killing before we (in our arrogance) decide to wipe out a particular breed or species. Then we might have SOME credibility on the subject.

  • February 2, 2009 at 2:30 am
    Nuff Said says:
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    Brookette
    Maybe we should have strickter penalties for those who chose to have vicious pets.
    Marjorie Knoller only got 15 years to life for her conviction when she ALLOWED her babies (dogs) to maul Dianne Whipple to death in the hallway of their apartment buildin. Maybe we should allow the killing of those who commit the intentional act of keeping these vicious animals.

  • February 2, 2009 at 2:33 am
    Seth says:
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    I Run A Doggie Daycare In Hawaii And Own A Dog Training Company As Well, And I Spend A Lot Of Time Around These So Called “Aggressive” Dog Breeds. There Are Several Things To Look At Before Condeming Any Breed Or Even An Individual Dog For Their Actions, For Example The Case That Started It All; The Attack Of A Police Officer By A Pit Bull Type Dog…The Dog Was Commanded To Do So By His OWNER. As An Animal Trainer You Should Always look At What Might Have Cause A Dog To Do Something Before You Punish Them, For Example My 3 Year Old Nephew Enjoys Chasing, Hitting, & Pestering The Family Chihuahua On A Daily Basis And After Hours Of Putting Up With It Every Day Of Course The Dog Will Eventually React Whether It Be Biting Growling Scratching Or Running Away(You Can Expect That Of All Breeds)And When This Happens Who Do You Punish The Dog Defending Himself Or The Child? And Last But Not Least Pit Bulls And Pit Bull Type Dogs Are The Single Most Popular Dog In Hawaii And Make Up Well Over 50% Of The Dog Population In Hawaii, And What About Rottweilers, They Have Been The 2nd Most Popular Dog Breed In The United States For The Past 30 Years. With That Kind Of Volume Incidents Are Bound To Happen. In A World With Only Chihuahua’s Imagine What The News Would Report..In My Time Working With Dogs I Have Seen over 2,000 Dogs And Have Been Bit Many Times And Majority Of My Bites Come from Small Breed Dogs ( pomeranian, dachsund, chihuahua) And These “Toy” Breeds Were Bred Soley For Human Comapanionship…What Does That Say?

    So In Conclusion, Please Represent The Human Race Better By Being Intelligent Enough To Questions WHY these things Happen Instead Of Making Ignorant Decisions With No Foundation.

    PUNISH THE DEED, NOT THE BREED

    statistics sourced through wikipedia where you will find the original sources

  • February 2, 2009 at 2:33 am
    Brokette says:
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    And Ms. Knoller wouldn’t have gotten THAT sentence if she hadn’t been a redneck skinhead.

  • February 2, 2009 at 2:39 am
    Ben says:
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    Seth no matter what we do, unless dog owners are more responsible and better educated about dogs, this will continue to happen.

    So, would we be better off if these people owned small dogs instead of large killer dogs?

    Small dogs do less damage. Its that simple

  • February 2, 2009 at 2:47 am
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    Brookette
    I didn’t know they had red neck skin heads in San Francisco. Incidently, Marjorie Knoller was an attorney in San Francisco.

  • February 3, 2009 at 3:43 am
    BigBrother says:
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    Wow.

    Its amazing how many of you have been scared into absolute submission.

    Throw free and critical thinking out the window, your TV said pitbulls are scary, so it must be true. WE MUST KILL THEM ALL!! THE TV SAID SO!!!

    BE AFRAID OF EVERYTHING!!

    JUST HAND OVER ALL OF YOUR RIGHTS TO THE GOVERNMENT!!

    YOU CAN TRUST THEM!!!

    Pathetic.

    9 people have died in automobile accidents this year in Hawaii, LET’S BAN ALL CARS!!!

    Or maybe we can pay for even more unjustifiable regulations and licenses for vehicles too?

    PLEASE GOVERNMENT SAVE ME FROM THIS SCARY WORLD!

    I AM HERE TO DO AS I AM TOLD!

    I PROMISE I WONT THINK, JUST PROTECT ME!!

  • February 3, 2009 at 9:14 am
    Brokette says:
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    Well, I guess that just shows what the media will make up when your dog attacks an innocent lesbian, huh? I followed the story, hon. Here in the People’s Republic of Southern California we were told that Attorney Knoller was part of a Nazi skinhead group. Even Nazis need attorneys sometimes. The MAYOR of Las Vegas was once a mob attorney. What’s your point?

  • February 7, 2009 at 12:00 pm
    Luke Thomas says:
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    PITBULLS ARE VIOLENT INSTRUMENTS USED AGAINST POLICE!!! FACT!!!

    http://www.dogsbite.org/blog/2008/04/11-years-of-police-gunfire-pit-bulls.html

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/08/nyregion/08nypd.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=11+years+police+gunfire&st=nyt

    11 Years of Police Gunfire: Pit Bulls Top the Charts
    72% Percent of Dogs Shot are Pit Bulls
    New York, NY – The New York City police department recently submitted a detailed “gunfire” study to City Council. The report covers the years from 1996 to 2006. The data reveals that cops fire their weapons far less than they did a decade ago. It also reveals that when dogs are shot, 72% percent are pit bulls. When officers fired at dogs, roughly 55% percent of shots hit home versus 34% when directed at humans.
    The massive number of bullets going toward pit bulls, as opposed to other dogs, illustrates the substantial danger pit bulls pose to communities.
    1996-2006 dog breeds shot by police

    New York City Police Department

    1996 to 2006 dog breeds shot by police

    ~~75% PITBULLS
    ~~10% ROTTWEILLER
    ~~4% GERMAN SHEPHERD
    ~~14% MIXED/OTHER BREEDS

    –SOURCE: NEW YORK POLICE DEPARTMENT

    Picked apart, the report shows a remarkable portrait of how the nation’s largest police force, with 36,000 officers, uses its guns. Every shot, from gunfight to accident to suicide, both on and off-duty, is accounted for. The data shows that the New York City Police Department is the most restrained in the country. So per capita in cities like Los Angeles and Houston, possibly more pit bulls are shot.

    The only major US cities that will not reflect these same numbers are Denver and Miami, both of which ban pit bull type dogs. Citizens and readers, this is exactly the type of data you need to provide to your policymakers. Cops shoot and kill far more pit bulls than criminals. They are a deadly menace in our midst. One that common citizens cannot effectively stop unless armed.

  • February 7, 2009 at 12:01 pm
    Luke Thomas says:
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    Pitbulls are the dogs of choice for gangs and thugs to guard their CRACK HOUSES and used against police. We live in a very sick disgusting society that puts the priority of DOGS ahead of safety of children.

  • February 7, 2009 at 8:42 am
    GH says:
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    Pit Bulls are no more dagerous than any other dog. It is not the dog, but the owners who are responsible for dangerous dogs. Infact Pit Bulls score higher that labs and retrievers in temperment tests. For me it is hard to believe that a person elected to a state office can be so miss informed.

  • February 9, 2009 at 7:52 am
    Cezar says:
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    Not true GH, its the size of the jaws and the power – You know nothing about animals.

    Smaller ones are safer. They cant kill you.

  • February 10, 2009 at 1:35 am
    PiA says:
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    I think it’s wrong to ban any breed.Period!!! Blame the owner, not the dog!
    I understand that victims of dog attacks are the real victims here, but unfortunately nobody wants to look at the whole picture. 90% of all dog attacks are provoked, granted not always by the ones who get bitten. That said, usually neighbors-kids AND adults- are the ones who tease the dogs, to the point where the dog snaps. And then of course it’s the dogs fault. Bad dogownership is the second cause. Tie your dog up to a chain and abuse it, and it will bite: from chihuahua to Bull Mastifs, mini to maxi dogs. After enough abuse any dog will bite and attack maybe the abuser, maybe the first person who comes along.
    At work-vet’s office- I’ve been bitten by more cats,yorkies and pinchers, than by Pitbulls or Rotweilers. It’s not the size, or breed, it’s the way they were raised, treated and cared for. Maybe they should create a law against animal abuse and enforce it for a change!

  • February 10, 2009 at 1:38 am
    PiA says:
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    Well, Bob,
    I guess you don’t understand dogs at all. THe monsters are the people who make the dogs mean, not the dog itself!

  • February 10, 2009 at 1:45 am
    PiA says:
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    I completely agree with Seth. It’s true- the smaller dogs are usually the more aggressive if it comes to biting. I can show the scars to prove it. Proper care, training (BOTH dog and HUMAN)and treatment will get you a sweet dog. Heck my sweetest dog on the farm was a Pit/sharpei mix. She left all the livestock alone, barked when people came on the property and got along with the other dogs. And she was a stray when we found her on Maui. If we can just get the senate to get this!

  • February 10, 2009 at 1:49 am
    Dog Gonnit says:
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    The smaller dogs cant do as much damage – Why?

    Pretty simple – They cant open up their mouth wide enough and they aren’t strong enough.

    There are numbers to prove this, no need for opinions or conjecture like this.

  • February 12, 2009 at 12:40 pm
    PiA says:
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    I may well be STOOPID as you spell it, but I didn’t speak about the impact of a dog bite, I spoke about the aggressiveness of dogs. Small-breed-dogbites might not have the psi impact of a bull mastif, but the smaller breed have more aggressive tendencies. And I only worked as a veterenary technician and ran a kennel of 200 dogs… so I wouldn’t realy know, right?

  • February 12, 2009 at 1:46 am
    Dicky Skruggz says:
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    Yes, PIA, there are some aggressive small dogs, whats your point? They aren’t in the news for killing someone now are they?

    Once again, your opinion and experience are irrelevant. There are police reports, hospital reports, and insurance claim numbers that can disprove everything you have said.

    Big dog bites are worse. Big dogs are more dangerous.

  • February 12, 2009 at 1:54 am
    Brokette says:
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    I have a neighbor whose Bichon loves to bite through your Achilles tendon. He’s done it to several of the neighborhood children and a few adults. Niiiiiiice!

  • February 19, 2009 at 1:25 am
    Rachel says:
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    I think it is rediculous to ban an entire breed of dog for an action that was brought on by a few dogs of that breed acting out due to poor upbringing.

    If you plan on banning Pit Bulls for this you may as well ban all breeds, because all breeds are probably guilty of having single cases or even multiple cases where dogs of those breeds have viciously attacked either a person or another animal. I have even seen some pretty vicious chihuahuas and pomeranians, why don’t they get banned, because they don’t do much damage.

    It’s a load of crap to ban any breed.

  • February 19, 2009 at 1:52 am
    Mikker says:
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    No not all breeds can kill.

    Some breeds do more damage than others and are more likely to go wild.

    Do you think its ok to have an ape as a pet?

  • February 23, 2009 at 2:25 am
    Whitney Lindsey says:
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    it’s all da owners fault. don’t ban pittbulls!

  • February 25, 2009 at 6:59 am
    Sonja says:
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    Dogs of all sizes need training and discipline. It is unfair to punish all pitbulls and all pitbull owners because of the irresponsability of a few owners who have not spent enought time training their dogs. I work at a vet clinic and the small “purse dogs” try to bite more often than the big dogs and have much worse behavior.

  • March 11, 2009 at 4:02 am
    Mikala says:
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    Starving unloved dogs will bite no matter what breed they are. What about the vicious Chow? Ridiculous for this woman to even consider this law. Unfair to kill our dogs and traumatize our families because of bad dog owners. Ban them instead and keep our loving dogs.

  • March 14, 2009 at 5:18 am
    Russell C. Farnham says:
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    The American Kennel Club is, proudly, exclusively, an organization of profound dog lovers.

    According to the American Kennel Club book, “The Complete Dog Book”, the pit bull type dogs have been selectively bred for over two hundred years to be dog killers.

    They were never intended as cuddly types, they weren’t kept or wanted as pets. Only the most effective killers in the pits were kept.

    These “winners” in the fighting pits were often left crippled, sometimes with missing eyes or dangling legs. But, they were willing to fight on, sometimes dragging their parts behind them. They were the ones wanted for breding, the ones that wouldn’t quit.

    So that’s what we have today: dogs that are overly ready to attack, and will not quit. Not the choice of an intelligent, responsible person.

    Now some animal lovers would like us to believe that two hundred years of genetics can be over ruled by tender, loving handling.

    It can’t. Not with bears, wolves, lions – – or chimpanzees, as was demonstrated recently in Connecticut. Nature remains.
    Genetics remains.

    It’s like suggesting that we could train a person to change eye color, race or gender.

    Statistics from the New York City Police Department show between 1996 and 2006; of the dogs which had to be shot; 75% were pit bulls, 10% rottweilers, 4% german shepherds, and ONLY 14% ALL OTHER BREEDS AND MIXED BREEDS.

    And the statistics for dogs bites annualy
    don’t include most cases of dogs biting other dogs, just dogs biting humans.

    So the most concerned should be other dog owners. Especially since many of these new pit bull owners are allowing their dogs to rush up to any other dog on the street. Then, when there is a catastrophe, they say things like, “I don’t understand it. He’s never done anything like this before.” So . . my dog’s dead, but it’s okay, because this dog has never done it before.

    If these people had any concern for others, and others’ dogs, they wouldn’t choose notorious breeds. There are plenty of breeds that aren’t dangerous, some that couldn’t be induced to fight.
    If you want I’ll give you a long, long list.

    Likely, many of these people value being able to tell friends that they have a dangerous breed, something like bragging about carrying a hand gun, that they also probably don’t need, or know how to handle safely.

    So,it’s probably the “bad boy”,”gangsta”
    thing that has made these dogs popular with some people that need something to make them feel good about themselves.

    And, undoubtedly, some of them don’t think about, or care about, anyone else.

    Fortunately these fads usually don’t last too long. Unfortunately many of these dogs are already being left behind in shelters or abandoned on the street when the owners can’t handle them.

    Doubt it? Check web sites for shelters and dog rescues throughout our area. The pit bulls are the largest group up for rescue or adoption.

    It isn’t dog lovers buying these animals.

    An intelligent, compassionate person gets the easily available information to know that he will be able to handle a certain type of dog. And to be certain that it will fit comfortably into its environment, and not be hurt in a fight it starts or be shot, regrettably, by a policeman.

    These dogs aren’t allowed in London. Heads of dog groups there say, “Of course we don’t allow them, why would we?”

    Those of us alive in the 1940’s know that, after the war, it took many generations of careful breeding to make german shepherds, dobermans, and rottweilers less dangerous. Still, breeders today, those who love these breeds most, will tell you that they tend to be “one man” dogs. And, top trainers of guard dogs and dogs for the military will tell you that it is that very trait that makes them more successful working for a single trainer.

    Probably most pit bull owners are not highly skilled trainers.

    For years most people have chosen on their own to not keep these breeds in crowded areas.

    A year ago three new german shephard pups arrived in my neighborhood. They’ve been working with trainers alongside the owners and now they’re big dogs on severe spike collars still lunging at all other dogs that pass by.

    It’s an ugly situation for the dogs, the owners and for the rest of us walking dogs in the area. If any of these owners get preoccupied on their cell phones or talking with neighbors their attention is drawn away from their dogs. One woman was dragged almost off her feet, all the way across the sidewalk when her dog went after a yorkie.

    Well, we all know that not all doctors are very good at their work and those quickest to remind us of their credentials are sometimes not the ones most capable. Successful, highly effective people don’t need to be quite so defensive.

    Mr. Borchelt is one of the “experts” ready to remind us of his credentials. We can list many, more qualified people who will argue the huge risk of keeping animals genetically predisposed to be dangerous to people and other animals.

    Any and all arguments made for keeping these dogs have also been raised for allowing dangerous wild animals to be kept as pets. Foxes and raccoons are adorable when they’re little, not safe when grown. Country people know this.
    That cute oppossum, skunk, squirrel, woodchuck, hawk is going to become an adult wild animal. And bite. It’s been that way for centuries and your “nice, nice” isn’t going to fix it.

    Usually the answer has been “not in the city”. If people want to keep these animals somewhere else, where the owners will put only themselves at risk, that is sometimes allowed – – with rules concerning adequate confinement and management. And, then we still sometimes hear of the owners or their neighbors being destroyed. So, there you have it.

    Dangerous people aren’t allowed freedom in the city, usually.

    Please, provide me any information of any opportunity to take part in the initiative to prohibit pit bull type dogs in New York City.

    Russell C. Farnham

  • March 19, 2009 at 1:53 am
    PiA says:
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    While Mr. Farnham’s comments make sense, the AKC and other dog clubs are actually the culprits of certain breeds becoming the breed they are today. German Sheperds were actually herding dogs, tending to sheep. Rottweilers were used to pull carts with meat from the butcher to the delivery routes in rural germany, Dobies have a very similar story. Now, sheoerds are known to have hip dysplasia bred into them, and other breeds have similar problems all because of the standards clubs use to make a dog LOOK a certain way. It’s just wrong!
    I breed huskies-yes they are on the “bite” list- but I do not breed to the AKC standards because these standards have turned friendly, loyal sled-pulling dogs in to a malformed miniature malamutes with brain damage who trip over their own feet.Although my dogs are elligable to be registered with the AKC I refuse to register them. – I love my malamutes and my huskies but I have a blood line that traces back to Siberia for my huskies and I don’t have the problems that the “bite” list identifies for huskies. I intend to keep my line this way.
    It is true that these traits are in the DNA, and the only ones that are responsible for that are humans who made the dogs that way. So, until we can fix the DNA, it is up to any responsible dog owner to educate themselves about the dogs they own, and spend the love, time, energy and money to get the proper training for themselves AND the dogs they own- from chihuahua to great dane- We owe it to the dog world!

  • June 30, 2009 at 4:26 am
    Pitbull says:
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    All you people who dislike the breed because of bad media and so called “bite” statistics are all “idiots!”, Honestly, if you dont have a pitbull then mind your own business!! simple as that. Ive heard of lions eating people, crocodiles eating people, car accidents killing people, swine flu killing people, you know what. DEAL WITH IT IDIOTS, death is part of life, who cares!!!!!!! pretty soon the government is going to ban all things. They just banned driving while using the cell phone. haha.. geez.. You COMPLAINERS make too much fuss about ********…. IDIOTS

  • August 10, 2009 at 2:18 am
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    The behavior of an amimal is whats been taught to them just like a human. If you are taught to be nice and listen you will if you are taught to fight thats whats going to happen. Not all PitBulls are taught wrong. I know this because i own one myself. She is a kind hearted soul that would rather crawl up in your lap and sleep then start a fight. It breaks my heart to know i cant bring her with me to Hawaii when my husband gets transferred to a different AFB So please DON’T BAN THE AMIMAL PUNISH THE OWNER!!!!

  • November 8, 2011 at 8:49 pm
    Prime says:
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    Hey cherie aiken,

    Originally bread for campanions, lol yeah right. They were made for fighting from traits of over 5 differnt dogs of selective breeding, Way back in 1700s they were taking traits of a dog that bullied others, Called aluants an bullenweIsers an mixed them with the abilitie to dish out pain with out concern of killing from bulldogs. Than later they added in staffordshires for there traits of high tolareance to pain. Further down the line they added in bullterriers for there iminse stamina an prey drive an a few other breeds like mastiffs were said to vary time to time to give them a little more size, But later given the title american bandogg.

    Pitbulls got there names from throwing them into pits To kill rats for gambling perposes hense bullie of rats in a pit = Pitbull, But they were bread to be aggressive to other dogs, Not so much humans, To where if a pitbull bit or growled at there master, They were culled or shot, Not allowing that trait to be passed on to the next generation of puppies.

    But in lamin terms every an any dog can be agrresive, Poodle,chiwawa,pomchi,akita,beagle,weinner dogs, any an all of the 800+ pure an mix breeds in the world can be aggressive, It depends on half an half on him an how he was raised From his master.

    I dont see why they should band pitbulls though, They should now be classified as small guard dogs for there already impressive backgrounds of fighting, Because it should always be the owners fault if it bit someone outside there propertie, But inside there propertie, Is a differnt storie friend or stranger just like humans would to a burglar or some one they just dont want there, I commend them for defending there home as dogs should.

    But again, Outside there propertie then blame the individual owner an not so much the dog, Let alone the breed. The breed shouldent have to suffer, For in my knowledge that ell be kinda like a Racist card on a black man steals an smokes crack so band blacks from hawaii, Not to say they all do an sorry for my poor selection of explanation but yeah somthing like that i guess.

    Besides, more than half of hawaii residentials owns pitbulls or a mix with pitbull, So what are they going to do kill the tens of thousands of pitbulls because of a few bit some people, Thats pretty stupid my dis well go back the old ways an band japanese from hawaii that were born in hawaii but had to suffer consentration camps because of japans actions pretty fucking dum move on usa, exspeacially when they are given THE NAME “AMERICAN” pitbull.

  • October 21, 2012 at 2:09 pm
    haoleboy says:
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    Hanabusa is just another joke of a pollitician that is prevailent in our state. wastefull bill legislation paid for by our taxes,
    we need to enforce laws that prosecute people who misuse animals and endanger others . the bs of bsl legislation is discriminatory
    act supported by ignorance.yeah pitbulls bite and so do all the other breeds like chiauhas i got the scars on my legs to prove it.

  • May 23, 2013 at 3:09 pm
    Taylor says:
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    Why should the dogs be punished when the owners are the ones teaching them these things. A few weeks a go a couple was attacked by two pitbulls with the owner right there encouraging this! Pitbulls are one of the breeds that want to make their owner happy and if some twisted man is happy with attacking people what do you think the dog will do? Same with rotties, shepards, and even those lovable labs. There should be background checks of these stupid, unlawfull people… not the dog. My dog is a pitbull that was a baitdog, we saved her from these horrible people and guess what… i have a two year old sister that plays, loves, and just adores her. Its the owners, not the dog. Hawaii is off my favorite state list.



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