California Teacher Injures Students with Accidental Gun Discharge

March 15, 2018

  • March 15, 2018 at 10:58 am
    Observor says:
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    If we encourage teachers to bring guns to school, what could go wrong? And this guy had training!

    • March 15, 2018 at 1:18 pm
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      • March 15, 2018 at 1:51 pm
        Captain Planet says:
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        Agent,
        This article isn’t about illegals. Take it from your friend:

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        behave like an adult and accept fair criticism. We who read and comment here want adult level conversations on the TOPIC of the related article. If you can’t follow those simple guidelines, post elsewhere, where you can spout your vile hatred for those whose opinions don’t match yours.

        • March 16, 2018 at 12:45 pm
          Agency says:
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          “This article isn’t about illegals.”

          Correct, I was using what is called an analogy.

    • March 15, 2018 at 2:04 pm
      Captain Planet says:
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      Good guy with a gun saves the day again!

  • March 15, 2018 at 2:01 pm
    Observor says:
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    The challenge right now is that there is probably not enough data to come up with a conclusion based on teachers carrying weapons. My fear is that the biggest challenge for teachers carrying guns would be circumstances where the gun is stolen by students. If only a small percentage of teachers leave the weapon unattended for a short term, the danger exists. The other challenge is if a even a small number of teachers develop some sort of mental illness or temporary anger issues and still have the weapons. Those downsides most likely outweigh the protection that the guns provide the campus.

    • March 15, 2018 at 2:10 pm
      Captain Planet says:
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      No, no, no Observor. The answer is more guns. We should have weekly flipping gun shows right there in the commons. C’mon, everyone knows if you want less shootings you need more guns. It’s a no-brainer. You literally don’t need a brain to think that way. Duh!

      • March 15, 2018 at 5:30 pm
        Craig Cornell says:
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        Literally more households in the US had guns 40 years ago and there were fewer gun deaths.

        DUh!

        Literally every household in Switzerland has a gun and they have one of the lowest murder rates in the world.

        DuH!

      • March 19, 2018 at 2:55 pm
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        Look, there is an obvious and simple remedy for all of this madness. Arm the students. If the students have guns they can defend against the teachers with guns, who are supposed to, but not apt enough to handle any intruder with a gun. FLAWLESS.

        • March 19, 2018 at 3:56 pm
          Craig Cornell says:
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          Actually, a pretty good idea that would have saved lives in Parkland, since the coward deputy at the high school stood around until the shooting was over. Than, the deputies who arrived shortly after it started hid behind their cars. And despite more than 40 visits to the shooter’s house by law enforcement, no one felt it compelling enough to put the killer on a list to prevent him from getting guns.

          If the government can only protect us by taking guns away from the law abiding gun owner – tell me again how that works – count me out.

          Give the students guns and the killer probably doesn’t risk going to school at all.

          • March 19, 2018 at 4:03 pm
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            … There’s your sign…

          • March 19, 2018 at 9:55 pm
            Craig Cornell says:
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            For those of you without a sense of humor, I was simply making a point.

            The only way to stop shootings at high schools is to have someone with a gun to confront the shooter.

            Not students, of course, but in this case I’ll bet more than a few parents of deceased kids wished their child had been trained to shoot and was armed that day. They likely would be home right now.

  • March 15, 2018 at 2:28 pm
    vox says:
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    I hate to tell you, but amongst the armed, there as many Elmer Fudds as there are James Bonds.

    • March 16, 2018 at 11:25 am
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      Clever comment that misses the point.

      We have 300 million guns in America. Rounding them up is impossible.

      Australia – cited by lefties as gun heaven – estimated that only 1/3 of the guns in Australia were turned in.
      With globalization and 3D printing, do you REALLY think you can get guns out of the hands of bad guys?

      Guns have been illegal in Mexico for decades and they have one of the highest murder rates in the world.
      Switzerland has perhaps the highest percentage of household gun ownership in the world to go with one of the lowest murder rates.

      And yet the silliness continues in the US: Gun control! Just ludicrous.

      If you really wanted to protect innocent life, you would put armed guards in schools. Nothing else will work if you really care and you really think about it.

      Everything else is just people posturing to make themselves feel good while more massacres are coming.

      • March 16, 2018 at 12:11 pm
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        “Guns have been illegal in Mexico for decades and they have one of the highest murder rates in the world.”

        This is a horrible example since (1) “Nearly 70 percent of the 106,000 recovered weapons submitted to ATF from 2011 to 2016 were traced (back) to the United States” and (2) your ‘highest murder rates’ stat isn’t broken down by weapon type (e.g. could 80% of their murders come from knives and only 20% come from guns? maybe. you didn’t source quote this statement.

        https://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-16-223

        • March 16, 2018 at 12:15 pm
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          My bad …. that GAO link says 70% from 2009 to 2014. The 70% from 2011 to 2016 came from a Feb 2018 study from the Center for American Progress, analyzed Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms

          • March 16, 2018 at 2:28 pm
            Craig Cornell says:
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            You are actually providing support for my position.

            Guns are a global commodity.

            Banning them in Mexico didn’t work. Won’t work here either.

          • March 16, 2018 at 3:23 pm
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            Actually Craig, guns are *NOT* banned in Mexico. It would appear you are unfamiliar with Article 10 of their Constitution, which is certainly understandable, but I would suggest you do a little research on it before you keep posting about Mexican gun laws.

            Mexicans can’t open carry or conceal carry unless certain conditions are met, but they have the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms. Regardless of what you may think, guns are not actually banned in Mexico.

            “The acquisition and ownership of certain firearms and ammunition remains a constitutional right to all Mexican citizens and foreign legal residents”

        • March 16, 2018 at 4:29 pm
          Agent says:
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          Well, we do know that the Obama Administration furnished guns to the murderous cartels in Mexico. Remember “Fast & Furious”? Holder hid all the documents with the White House under Executive Privilege. My guess is they ended up in the incinerator.

          • March 16, 2018 at 5:09 pm
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            I remember that — it was a plan that didn’t work and only caused more guns to get to the cartels. That was horrible and totally the fault of the Dem’s and Obama.

  • March 15, 2018 at 2:34 pm
    CCC says:
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    I have a hard time understanding how this could occur. Why would the gun be loaded? He points it at the ceiling and pulls the trigger just to make sure? These things go against everything one would learn in even the most basic of firearm safety classes.

    Article states that he was also a reserve police officer? Sounds like he had zero training/experience with firearms.

    • March 15, 2018 at 3:42 pm
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      Standard desk pop.. Never done a desk pop before!? Every officer has done a desk pop

      • March 15, 2018 at 4:56 pm
        Rosenblatt says:
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        Naaaaa, that only happens with “The Other Guys” :)

    • March 15, 2018 at 3:47 pm
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      He got one rule right at least…gun pointed in a safe direction. He just forgot to always check if loaded/unloaded, and never put your finger on the trigger unless you intend to fire. What a moron. On a side note…arming teachers responsibly with training COULD work if it would thwart the bad guys from coming on campus in the first place and killing dozens every few years if they knew it was not a gun free zone. The rare instance where a gun is stolen or a teacher screws up like this may be better than mass shootings every few years at schools.

  • March 15, 2018 at 4:14 pm
    Augustine says:
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    Insurance Journal posting more politically motivated click-bait that literally has nothing to do with insurance. I find it so ironic that Insurance Journal started redacting the comments section right around the same time it started pumping politically motivated pieces. This absurd, isolated incident is supposed to be indicative of teachers possessing guns. “Oh no the sky is falling, if teachers carry guns then all these students will start getting shot!” This is anecdotal and nothing more.

  • March 15, 2018 at 6:51 pm
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    This gentleman was a reserve police officer. He wasn’t smart enough to check his weapon before the demonstration to make sure there was no bullet in the chamber…and didn’t make sure the safety was on!!!!! …and people want non-trained experts to carry guns in classrooms. I don’t think so…..

    • March 16, 2018 at 4:33 pm
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      Properly trained is the key. No person, ex cop or not, would test a gun by pulling the trigger first. Basic safety 101. Keep in mind this is California, one of the more dysfunctional states in the nation

      • March 19, 2018 at 9:38 am
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        Your point was valid until you felt the need to insult an entire state, hence the downvotes. Keep it civil. You’re better than that, Agent….You have an unbelievable wealth of insurance experience. Use it for good.

  • March 16, 2018 at 5:22 pm
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    I stand corrected. But it appears I am correct in my premise: guns are VERY HARD to get in Mexico (like lefties would like in America), and still the murder rate is one of the highest in the world.

    From CBS News:

    Mexicans have the right to own guns, but few do

    MEXICO CITY – There’s just one place in all of Mexico where you can legally buy a gun. It’s tucked away in an anonymous building on an army base in the capital, staffed by soldiers.

    Those who enter must surrender any cell phones, tablets or cameras, remove caps and pass through a metal detector. Weapons are kept in locked glass cases, unlike many of the 50,000-plus U.S. gun shops where used-gun racks on showroom floors allow easy access and clerks are happy to let you heft an unloaded firearm.

    Mexico’s constitution guarantees citizens’ right to own a handgun and hunting rifles for self-defense and sport. Legally getting your hands on one, however, requires clearing a series of bureaucratic hurdles far stricter than in the U.S. and, for many customers, traveling great distances to reach the country’s lone gun store. From CBS News:

  • March 19, 2018 at 9:42 am
    Stan Riddle says:
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    There is not one single thing that can help stop gun violence But what is NOT needed is more guns.

    • March 19, 2018 at 6:14 pm
      Craig Cornell says:
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      Sounds great. I hear that a lot every day.

      Now tell me in a point by point fashion how that will work.
      1. If you stop all manufacturing of guns – if you override the Constitution – what makes you think you can round up 300 million guns? Please elaborate.
      2. What makes you think guns won’t flow into the country like illegal drugs do now? How will you stop that?
      3. What makes you think you will get gang members to give up guns? Criminals? Thugs? Russians? MS 13? Crips? Bloods? White Supremacists? Doomsday Preppers? . . .

      Tell me how this will actually, you know, work. It is a farce, and you know it.

  • March 19, 2018 at 4:09 pm
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    Can any of the gun enthusiasts explain to me their argument against strict gun control? If we don’t want to take guns from law abiding citizens – We just want to make sure only law abiding citizens can access guns. What is the concern of the gun enthusiasts / self proclaimed law abiding citizen?

    Please note that this is a hypothetical discussion designed for civil and intelligent argument.

    • March 19, 2018 at 9:13 pm
      Craig Cornell says:
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      Here is a civil and intelligent response. All the talk about gun control is negated by the reality that there are 300 million guns and rounding them up is impossible. Beyond that, smuggling brings in a lot of guns, some pretty amazing kinds. Think 50 caliber. I know lots of people who know someone who owns one.
      Add 3D printing to the mix, and whatever someone wants can be made in their garage with a little plastic and metal and access to the internet.

      Bottom line: you aren’t going to implement “strict gun control” and you can’t define a policy that would actually stop gun violence by controlling guns. This is always the reason gun control talk fades away after every shooting; there is no practical way to stop shootings by controlling guns, and no possible way of controlling guns without taking them away from law-abiding gun owners.

      If there is a gun-related solution, let me hear it. But please, no more platitudes about “common sense gun control” without giving me something that would stop mass shootings. Take away semi-auto rifles and these committed killers will use Glock pistols with 17 rounds in the chamber, and the deaths will be just as dramatic.

      • March 20, 2018 at 1:08 pm
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        So you argument is not against gun control, just that there are too many guns for it to work? So, because of that, the choice is no gun control?

        • March 20, 2018 at 2:24 pm
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          I am about solving the problem. Show me how gun control could have stopped any of these mass shootings, meaning prove to me that the killer wouldn’t have just purchased Glock handguns with 17 rounds in each magazine and done nearly identical damage/horror.

          I am about solving the problem. All I hear is fantasy.

          And keep in mind the relentless focus on the very, very few deaths from mass shootings, compared to the thousands of deaths from regular, old handguns every year that no one talks about.

  • March 20, 2018 at 9:50 am
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    Another shooting this morning, this time in Maryland. Details are still coming in.

    When is enough enough? I don’t have the solution and don’t advocate for the repeal of the 2nd amendment or taking guns away from law abiding citizens, but I think we can all agree that SOMETHING needs to be done. Pay more attention to the kid who seems disturbed, and DO SOMETHING about it.

    When I was a kid, your biggest fear might’ve been getting shoved into a locker, but nobody ever worried about their kid getting shot in school.

    Hug your kids a little more tightly tonight.

    • March 20, 2018 at 12:26 pm
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      The killer today was stopped by an armed guard on campus. Many, many more kids would have likely been killed had this brave, armed guard not acted quickly.

      I have a solution: more armed adults, trained to use the weapons properly.

      Or, we can have more massacres in “gun free zones” followed once again by moral preening by the solution-free gun control crowd who take NO responsibility for a real solution, and are therefore responsible for the high numbers of kids killed in gun free zones.

  • March 20, 2018 at 2:28 pm
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    Why is it no one gets to the heart of the problem, which is not guns? A 15 year old was stopped by his parents this week from shooting up Three Rivers High School in Michigan. Why was he going to target and shoot people? Because they were bullying him. We need to change this type of behavior in schools. With all the time these kids spend on-line, they are so brave with their comments. Despite what the old rhyme says, word have the power to hurt. Many of you dis each other on a daily basis simply because you have varying beliefs as to what is right. Chicago already has some of the toughest guns laws and yet gun violence prevails. Why? Because criminals don’t abide by the law. This country needs some basic attitude adjustments. We need to deal with the root cause of school shootings which is not guns but what causes these kids to break.



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