What? You mean when you legalize a new intoxicant, you normalize it, and as a result usage goes up? Who would have guessed that would happen?
But I thought the left was just eliminating the black market, collecting taxes, and controlling potency. You mean having more intoxicated people is good?
There are plenty of studies about under age usage. All of them show that over the past 10 years usage has gone way up, and the perception by young people is that pot is safe.
And that increase in usage and decrease in perception of risk is nationwide, not just in “recreational use” states.
You see, when a society deems something okay, people do it more. (See gambling.)
And so, if you are a fan of legal pot, you are responsible for pushing the idea that it is safe, and also responsible for the increased usage by young people. Even if you refuse to be responsible (which is where most pot fans come from).
Again while there may be some studies that support your claim they are not statically significant and are at times highly biased in their scope and execution of the study itself. This leads those studies to be taken with a grain of salt. We are not responsible for the increased usage by the underage because it is not that much higher than it was in the 70s and 80s. The difference is that now we have proof that there are benefits to it so the perception of some is that it is safer than it is for the underage person. for adults there are more scientifically proven benefits then negatives.
(There are benefits to morphine, but no one is advocating everyone use it for fun. Maybe pot has damaged your powers of logic.)
August 9, 2018 at 1:53 pm
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got anything besides the yale study rosenblatt keeps telling you does not actually say marijuana is a gateway drug and says people who abuse opioids were more likely to have started with alcohol and tobacco than marijuana?
August 8, 2018 at 11:03 pm
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I agree with you Craig. I’m watching it in real time ruin someone’s life. People want to live in a stupor, be it from alcohol, marijuana or some other drug, rather than face life.
And they should have the freedom and liberty to do so.
August 9, 2018 at 9:10 am
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That’s right, Ron. Some are able to consume intoxicants responsibly and some aren’t. But, an adult should have the freedom to make that choice and suffer any consequences thereof.
August 9, 2018 at 1:23 pm
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“If you are a fan of legal pot, you are responsible for pushing the idea that it is safe”
This has to be one of the least intelligent comments you’ve ever made. One can be for legalization while simultaneously acknowledging inherent risk. I’m for the legalization of alcohol and marijuana, but I don’t think it’s safe to drive while intoxicated nor do I believe kids or pregnant women should use either substance.
Young people have increasingly come to the conclusion that pot is safe. Many national studies show this has happened increasingly over the past 10 years. (Prediction: Rosenblatt goes into denial on that fact, denies such studies exists, puts head back in sand.)
And if you and all your pot fan-buddies are pushing legalization BEFORE educating the public, you are responsible for the negative consequences. Like more traffic deaths due to THC-stoned people.
Like more young people damaging their lives. Like more people addicted. You can pretend you are not responsible for the good and the bad, but that is what children do.
If I support any policy change, I am responsible for the good and the bad on that policy change. But not you. Or other liberals.
“NOT MY FAULT!” (what children say)
August 10, 2018 at 8:01 am
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There’s no law or rule that says “you have to get >50% of people to agree something is/isn’t harmful before you can change the law.”
I stand by my comment: one can push for legalization while simultaneously acknowledging (and educating) people on inherent risk, especially since pushing for legislation changes can take years on both the State and Federal level.
As for “putting my head back in the sand” — please cite your sources so I can review them and come to my own conclusions on what the study/studies actually said. I’m sure you can understand my lack of trust in you accurately posting the conclusion of any study when you admit that you don’t actually read them and only base your talking points off of what’s in the URL or the title of the article.
August 10, 2018 at 10:46 am
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Craig – go read http s://www.insurancejournal.com/news/east/2018/08/10/497700.htm and, although it’s specific to DUI/DWI, please stop complaining that nobody is trying to educate anyone about any of the dangers of marijuana.
August 9, 2018 at 2:26 pm
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Here’s what the National Institute on Drug Abuse said about usage rates last December based on their national survey:
From drug abuse.gov
“Past-year marijuana use declined among 10th graders and remains unchanged among 8th and 12th graders compared to five years ago, despite the changing state marijuana laws.”
So that should be great news, Craig! The sky is not falling.
From the Same Exact Website (nice cherry picking, by the way):
2016 Monitoring The Future Young Adults Survey Results
The National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) announced that the latest Monitoring the Future (MTF) national survey results of drug use among full-time college students and their non-college peers are now available online, highlighting that daily marijuana use is at the highest level since the early 1980s for this age group.
Below are the highlights from the 2016 MTF survey results on drug use among college students compared to their peers not attending college (ages 19-22).
Daily marijuana use is at the highest level since the early 1980s for this age group (7.8%), reaching the highest level seen for non-college youth (12.8%) and among the highest for full-time college students (4.9%).
RAISE THE ALARMS!!!! COLLEGE KIDS DO DRUGS!! BRING IN THE NATIONAL GUARD! WE HAVE AN EPIDEMIC!!!
August 10, 2018 at 2:06 pm
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19 – 22, huh? So, we’re discussing adults then. Thank goodness these college students and their non-college peers are using this rather than what I saw back in college. Cocaine and LSD everywhere! I’ve personally never seen a life destroyed by MJ, but I have seen it happen by coke, heroin, and LSD. Dealing with a family member on H right now. Guess what – she didn’t start with MJ. She became addicted after suffering an injury and being prescribed oxy. But, don’t use my anecdotal evidence to step in the way of your anecdotal narrative.
August 9, 2018 at 5:38 pm
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Since “Generous” likes the website for the National Institute on Drug Abuse, here are some more interesting articles you can find there:
Long-Term Marijuana Use Is Associated With Health Problems Later in Life | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA)
Illicit cannabis use and use disorders increase in states with medical marijuana laws | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA)
Regular Marijuana Use Is Associated With Differences in Brain Gray Matter and Connectivity | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA)
Marijuana drug use increasing during pregnancy | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA)
Marijuana use is associated with an increased risk of prescription opioid misuse and use disorders | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA)
Study Questions Role for Marijuana in Teen Users’ IQ Decline | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA)
Evidence grows that heavy marijuana use may harm the brain | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA)
College students at increased risk for smoking marijuana.
Follow Up: I just love the “down votes”. All I did was post what you can find on a reputable website! People who down vote the truth. Gotta love liberals . . .
August 7, 2018 at 4:14 pm
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The entire article is not favorable to legalization, however the entire article does lead me to believe that many Nevadans(?) and visitors(50,000,000) are whacked out thinking this is good policy, betting that there will be a positive outcome. News stories I have seen usually deal with resulting problems; 60 minutes Colorado, price slashing from lagging sales.
I love how liberals become libertarians when it comes to pot, but nothing else.
Health insurance: “The Government should decide what you get!”
Logic: “an adult should have the freedom to make that choice and suffer any consequences therof.” So I guess that applies to fentanyl, oxycodin, heroin, guns, speeding . . .
As if young people aren’t being hurt by marijuana. As if people who ruin their lives with marijuana don’t impact other people. Like their family. Head meet Sand. (The Responsibility of the Left.)
Craig,
You can crusade out here until you type your fingertips raw, a majority of Americans don’t agree with your position. A majority of IJers don’t agree with your position. Maybe you should take this crusade to the streets you say you care so much about. Why are you spending so much effort on an insurance forum? Couldn’t you be doing more by visiting the youth you speak about and educating them? Or, do you just like to troll out here in IJ? That’s rhetorical, no need to answer.
I am getting the truth out, countering the ignorance and flat-out lies about THC that come from liberals pushing legalization, people like you who think that because you tricked the ignorant into passing legalization in 3 states, you can trick the rest. You can’t. The truth will come out; it already has in upscale California communities; now low income people need to hear it, the people suffering the most from THC.
I have helped 3 families whose sons were addicted to marijuana. What have you done? Pushed more suffering. Congratulations.
I’m personally not tricking anyone. The American people are speaking and they want it legalized for a number of reasons. I’m personally focusing on helping my heroin addicted family member. I know MANY who used MJ. I know of none of them being addicted. Most actually just quit as they got older and had children. They are successful people, on several boards here, presidents of their own companies, and highly intelligent. I even know a doctors who use it. I’m sorry what happened to your son. I honestly am. But, those cases are few and far between. You are surrounded by users everyday and you don’t even know it. Not everyone tokes 8 bong hits before heading to the store. Some use to a much more reasonable degree. Similar to having a couple drinks. Please quit broad-brushing based on your personal experience. I agree, it can be harmful. Such is the same as those couple drinks. There are those who control their intoxicants and those who allow the intoxicants to control them. I’ve seen the former way more often than that latter when it comes to MJ. Sorry Craig, you are on the losing end on this one. Legalization is a matter of time. Americans want it to be legal again.
“I know several successful people who drink alcohol occasionally . . . and a few who used to use cocaine at times.”
Yikes, dude. You keep talking about adults and ignoring the young people wrecking their lives out of ignorance of the dangers. You think because YOU don’t know any marijuana addicts that that proves they don’t exist? Now there’s some cool logic.
You lefties keep trying to pass new legislation before people know the truth (see “keep your doctor”). When people find out the truth, they turn against stupid ideas. And they are just now starting to learn.
August 10, 2018 at 7:29 pm
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Craig,
Reading comprehension, for the love of God!
“I’m sorry what happened to your son. I honestly am. But, those cases are few and far between.”
“There are those who control their intoxicants and those who allow the intoxicants to control them.”
So, yes, I admit the mental addiction of MJ does exist for some people. And, for the last time, I am a registered Independent and did vote for some R’s in the last election. Not a “lefty”. Though, I did practice for hours on end to develop a strong left hand to supplement my basketball skills. And, I’ve been known to swing the club upside down in tight lies. People have known about MJ for years, man. No one could honestly believe that ingesting an intoxicant is perfectly safe. I have not heard ANYONE who has EVER stated MJ cannot harm you.
And yes, I know successful people who have used many substances. My point is it doesn’t always turn into the “Requiem for A Dream” nightmare you are painting. In fact, it usually doesn’t.
August 10, 2018 at 9:16 pm
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Why do I respond to someone so weak in logic?
No one, especially me, said it “always turns into the Requiem for a Dream” nightmare. But more people are dying now in traffic accidents due to THC intoxication than 10 years ago. That is called a fact. So I guess you think that is just the price to pay for “progress”. More dead people. No problem.
You are the one who tried to make a point that some successful people used pot. SO WHAT DOES THAT PROVE? I’ve met people who took cocaine for a while and then stopped.
Does that mean cocaine is like marijuana? Does it mean anything about cocaine at all? No. People ruin their lives with both. Not everyone. And not no one, as you imply with marijuana.
Enough. If you are at least honest with yourself (because you aren’t honest with others), then you know that many more young people are smoking/ingesting THC now because they believe it to be safe, the reason usage has grown over the past 10 years. “People have known about MJ for years.” Except that surveys show they haven’t.
Why do I respond to someone who can’t even read? Once you can, hit me back, because not only did I mention empathy for your son, I also stated some people can become mentally addicted to MJ. Who is the one that is having the honesty problem here?
Nice pun in the article headline, IJ.
“Nevada’s 1st Year of Marijuana Sales Exceeds Highest Expectations”
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What is the average % of new users in an emerging state that legalizes cannabis? 5%, 10%, 20%?
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Hello Craig,
Again while there may be some studies that support your claim they are not statically significant and are at times highly biased in their scope and execution of the study itself. This leads those studies to be taken with a grain of salt. We are not responsible for the increased usage by the underage because it is not that much higher than it was in the 70s and 80s. The difference is that now we have proof that there are benefits to it so the perception of some is that it is safer than it is for the underage person. for adults there are more scientifically proven benefits then negatives.
Show me your studies. Then I will show you mine.
(There are benefits to morphine, but no one is advocating everyone use it for fun. Maybe pot has damaged your powers of logic.)
got anything besides the yale study rosenblatt keeps telling you does not actually say marijuana is a gateway drug and says people who abuse opioids were more likely to have started with alcohol and tobacco than marijuana?
I agree with you Craig. I’m watching it in real time ruin someone’s life. People want to live in a stupor, be it from alcohol, marijuana or some other drug, rather than face life.
And they should have the freedom and liberty to do so.
That’s right, Ron. Some are able to consume intoxicants responsibly and some aren’t. But, an adult should have the freedom to make that choice and suffer any consequences thereof.
“If you are a fan of legal pot, you are responsible for pushing the idea that it is safe”
This has to be one of the least intelligent comments you’ve ever made. One can be for legalization while simultaneously acknowledging inherent risk. I’m for the legalization of alcohol and marijuana, but I don’t think it’s safe to drive while intoxicated nor do I believe kids or pregnant women should use either substance.
Young people have increasingly come to the conclusion that pot is safe. Many national studies show this has happened increasingly over the past 10 years. (Prediction: Rosenblatt goes into denial on that fact, denies such studies exists, puts head back in sand.)
And if you and all your pot fan-buddies are pushing legalization BEFORE educating the public, you are responsible for the negative consequences. Like more traffic deaths due to THC-stoned people.
Like more young people damaging their lives. Like more people addicted. You can pretend you are not responsible for the good and the bad, but that is what children do.
If I support any policy change, I am responsible for the good and the bad on that policy change. But not you. Or other liberals.
“NOT MY FAULT!” (what children say)
There’s no law or rule that says “you have to get >50% of people to agree something is/isn’t harmful before you can change the law.”
I stand by my comment: one can push for legalization while simultaneously acknowledging (and educating) people on inherent risk, especially since pushing for legislation changes can take years on both the State and Federal level.
As for “putting my head back in the sand” — please cite your sources so I can review them and come to my own conclusions on what the study/studies actually said. I’m sure you can understand my lack of trust in you accurately posting the conclusion of any study when you admit that you don’t actually read them and only base your talking points off of what’s in the URL or the title of the article.
Craig – go read http s://www.insurancejournal.com/news/east/2018/08/10/497700.htm and, although it’s specific to DUI/DWI, please stop complaining that nobody is trying to educate anyone about any of the dangers of marijuana.
Here’s what the National Institute on Drug Abuse said about usage rates last December based on their national survey:
From drug abuse.gov
“Past-year marijuana use declined among 10th graders and remains unchanged among 8th and 12th graders compared to five years ago, despite the changing state marijuana laws.”
So that should be great news, Craig! The sky is not falling.
From the Same Exact Website (nice cherry picking, by the way):
2016 Monitoring The Future Young Adults Survey Results
The National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) announced that the latest Monitoring the Future (MTF) national survey results of drug use among full-time college students and their non-college peers are now available online, highlighting that daily marijuana use is at the highest level since the early 1980s for this age group.
Below are the highlights from the 2016 MTF survey results on drug use among college students compared to their peers not attending college (ages 19-22).
Daily marijuana use is at the highest level since the early 1980s for this age group (7.8%), reaching the highest level seen for non-college youth (12.8%) and among the highest for full-time college students (4.9%).
RAISE THE ALARMS!!!! COLLEGE KIDS DO DRUGS!! BRING IN THE NATIONAL GUARD! WE HAVE AN EPIDEMIC!!!
19 – 22, huh? So, we’re discussing adults then. Thank goodness these college students and their non-college peers are using this rather than what I saw back in college. Cocaine and LSD everywhere! I’ve personally never seen a life destroyed by MJ, but I have seen it happen by coke, heroin, and LSD. Dealing with a family member on H right now. Guess what – she didn’t start with MJ. She became addicted after suffering an injury and being prescribed oxy. But, don’t use my anecdotal evidence to step in the way of your anecdotal narrative.
Since “Generous” likes the website for the National Institute on Drug Abuse, here are some more interesting articles you can find there:
Long-Term Marijuana Use Is Associated With Health Problems Later in Life | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA)
Illicit cannabis use and use disorders increase in states with medical marijuana laws | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA)
Regular Marijuana Use Is Associated With Differences in Brain Gray Matter and Connectivity | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA)
Marijuana drug use increasing during pregnancy | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA)
Marijuana use is associated with an increased risk of prescription opioid misuse and use disorders | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA)
Study Questions Role for Marijuana in Teen Users’ IQ Decline | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA)
Evidence grows that heavy marijuana use may harm the brain | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA)
College students at increased risk for smoking marijuana.
You Nailed It, Generous!
Follow Up: I just love the “down votes”. All I did was post what you can find on a reputable website! People who down vote the truth. Gotta love liberals . . .
The entire article is not favorable to legalization, however the entire article does lead me to believe that many Nevadans(?) and visitors(50,000,000) are whacked out thinking this is good policy, betting that there will be a positive outcome. News stories I have seen usually deal with resulting problems; 60 minutes Colorado, price slashing from lagging sales.
I love how liberals become libertarians when it comes to pot, but nothing else.
Health insurance: “The Government should decide what you get!”
Logic: “an adult should have the freedom to make that choice and suffer any consequences therof.” So I guess that applies to fentanyl, oxycodin, heroin, guns, speeding . . .
As if young people aren’t being hurt by marijuana. As if people who ruin their lives with marijuana don’t impact other people. Like their family. Head meet Sand. (The Responsibility of the Left.)
Hey “DUH!” (perfect on-line name, by the way): THC causes brain damage. You in favor of brain damage?
College age use of marijuana has gone way up, meaning more brain damage on the way.
You think this is good? In a word, DUH.
Craig,
You can crusade out here until you type your fingertips raw, a majority of Americans don’t agree with your position. A majority of IJers don’t agree with your position. Maybe you should take this crusade to the streets you say you care so much about. Why are you spending so much effort on an insurance forum? Couldn’t you be doing more by visiting the youth you speak about and educating them? Or, do you just like to troll out here in IJ? That’s rhetorical, no need to answer.
I am getting the truth out, countering the ignorance and flat-out lies about THC that come from liberals pushing legalization, people like you who think that because you tricked the ignorant into passing legalization in 3 states, you can trick the rest. You can’t. The truth will come out; it already has in upscale California communities; now low income people need to hear it, the people suffering the most from THC.
I have helped 3 families whose sons were addicted to marijuana. What have you done? Pushed more suffering. Congratulations.
I’m personally not tricking anyone. The American people are speaking and they want it legalized for a number of reasons. I’m personally focusing on helping my heroin addicted family member. I know MANY who used MJ. I know of none of them being addicted. Most actually just quit as they got older and had children. They are successful people, on several boards here, presidents of their own companies, and highly intelligent. I even know a doctors who use it. I’m sorry what happened to your son. I honestly am. But, those cases are few and far between. You are surrounded by users everyday and you don’t even know it. Not everyone tokes 8 bong hits before heading to the store. Some use to a much more reasonable degree. Similar to having a couple drinks. Please quit broad-brushing based on your personal experience. I agree, it can be harmful. Such is the same as those couple drinks. There are those who control their intoxicants and those who allow the intoxicants to control them. I’ve seen the former way more often than that latter when it comes to MJ. Sorry Craig, you are on the losing end on this one. Legalization is a matter of time. Americans want it to be legal again.
“I know several successful people who drink alcohol occasionally . . . and a few who used to use cocaine at times.”
Yikes, dude. You keep talking about adults and ignoring the young people wrecking their lives out of ignorance of the dangers. You think because YOU don’t know any marijuana addicts that that proves they don’t exist? Now there’s some cool logic.
You lefties keep trying to pass new legislation before people know the truth (see “keep your doctor”). When people find out the truth, they turn against stupid ideas. And they are just now starting to learn.
Craig,
Reading comprehension, for the love of God!
“I’m sorry what happened to your son. I honestly am. But, those cases are few and far between.”
“There are those who control their intoxicants and those who allow the intoxicants to control them.”
So, yes, I admit the mental addiction of MJ does exist for some people. And, for the last time, I am a registered Independent and did vote for some R’s in the last election. Not a “lefty”. Though, I did practice for hours on end to develop a strong left hand to supplement my basketball skills. And, I’ve been known to swing the club upside down in tight lies. People have known about MJ for years, man. No one could honestly believe that ingesting an intoxicant is perfectly safe. I have not heard ANYONE who has EVER stated MJ cannot harm you.
And yes, I know successful people who have used many substances. My point is it doesn’t always turn into the “Requiem for A Dream” nightmare you are painting. In fact, it usually doesn’t.
Why do I respond to someone so weak in logic?
No one, especially me, said it “always turns into the Requiem for a Dream” nightmare. But more people are dying now in traffic accidents due to THC intoxication than 10 years ago. That is called a fact. So I guess you think that is just the price to pay for “progress”. More dead people. No problem.
You are the one who tried to make a point that some successful people used pot. SO WHAT DOES THAT PROVE? I’ve met people who took cocaine for a while and then stopped.
Does that mean cocaine is like marijuana? Does it mean anything about cocaine at all? No. People ruin their lives with both. Not everyone. And not no one, as you imply with marijuana.
Enough. If you are at least honest with yourself (because you aren’t honest with others), then you know that many more young people are smoking/ingesting THC now because they believe it to be safe, the reason usage has grown over the past 10 years. “People have known about MJ for years.” Except that surveys show they haven’t.
Why do I respond to someone who can’t even read? Once you can, hit me back, because not only did I mention empathy for your son, I also stated some people can become mentally addicted to MJ. Who is the one that is having the honesty problem here?