New Jersey Gov. Christie Vetoes State-Run Health Exchange Bill

December 7, 2012

  • December 10, 2012 at 2:18 pm
    FabIns says:
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    NJ Citizens Action – Now there’s an anti-agent group. Why not let agents sell health plans instead of leaving citizens to fend for themselves and to make coverage mistakes the like with GEICO, that individuals are “counseled” by hourly SEIU/AFSCME phone clerks?

  • December 10, 2012 at 2:22 pm
    Libby says:
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    Agents obviously haven’t been doing a good job of selling it.

  • December 10, 2012 at 2:59 pm
    Insurance Geek says:
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    no Libby, its more like, let’s have the govt control one more thing in my life instead of my employer providing me with an employee benefit that I earn because of my talents and abilities. Instead i will now be stuck with the c*#p that the feds say employers have to provide. Anything the federal govt touches when it comes to insurance turns to c*#p – period.end.of.story.

  • December 10, 2012 at 3:04 pm
    Libby says:
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    Why do you think your group plan will change? There is no requirement that employers have to change anything, as long as they are providing health benefit options.

    • December 10, 2012 at 3:25 pm
      Insurance Geek says:
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      because the plan employers provide will have to meet a test (read the IJ article titled “Small Business Owners Face Health Insurance Dilemma”) and if the coverage doesnt comply with that test, they face a $3K penalty per employee. If they dont comply with the law, they face a $2K penalty per employee. In addition, no one has any way of knowing how benefits costs will change; the Obama law says insurance cost for elderly enrollees will decrease, while insurance costs escalate for the younger population, even though the elderly population’s health care costs are 5x that of the young – why will their costs go down? because King Obama’s law says so, never mind what is actuarially sound….if you aren’t terrified about what may happen when this monstrosity of a law goes into effect, you should be….

      Oh, and if you wonder why i call him King Obama, it has a little something with him demanding that Congress turn over their right to approve/disapprove the debt ceiling. I guess he forgot that we the people elected Congress to represent us (as weakly as they do that, they are still ours)and that we the taxpayers are footing the bill if he gets an unlimited credit card…if that isnt a power grab, i dont what is. All i can say is if George Bush asked for that, the press would have been vilifying him 24/7/365 for that demand….

      • December 10, 2012 at 3:32 pm
        Libby says:
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        Well, we all saw last year what happened to our rating and financial status when Republicans held out on approving an increase. We don’t want a repeat of that. Allowing him to increase the debt would calm the waters and help return financial stability to the market.

  • December 10, 2012 at 4:06 pm
    Insurance Geek says:
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    Meet the Press???? Really??? that is your “research”?? Who in the financial field agrees? can you cite names and companies they work for? its never temporary – if you believe that, you are truly naive….

    and i wont calm down – the number of people in this country “drinking the kool aid” is staggering and scary….

    • December 10, 2012 at 4:10 pm
      Libby says:
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      I posted a couple of links, so just wait for them to show up. And yes, Meet the Press is a very good resource for information. It has politicians from both sides, media sources, and political pundits all giving their views and discussing current political topics. Maybe you should watch before questioning my choice of TV show. You can listen to different arguments and make up your own mind where you stand on the issues. Something Republicans don’t do. Talk about kool-aid. You guys are the Kool-Aid Kid grandpa.

      • December 11, 2012 at 12:14 pm
        Captain Planet says:
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        Libby,
        They can’t calm down. There has to be a new outrage everyday. Otherwise, ratings go down and Rupert doesn’t make a buck. It’s an ongoing recipe you see from The Right. Grab a topic, be enraged about it, jump up and down and scream and yell, blame a liberal media, story doesn’t amount to anything because it was blown out of proportion to begin with, story dies, move onto the new outrage. You’ll have to give it to Fox News and those spewing on the conservative radio waves, it is a recipe for success. Just ask all of the food insurance, survival seed kit, penis pills, gold, and silver peddlers out there.

        Insurance Geek – how much gold do you own? Is The President coming for your guns? Is he a US citizen?

        • December 11, 2012 at 12:22 pm
          Libby says:
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          God. It’s exhausting…

      • December 12, 2012 at 1:49 pm
        Libby says:
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        OK, Geek. I posted the links. You have no response?

  • December 10, 2012 at 4:58 pm
    WyomingAgent says:
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    To paraphrase Nancy Pelosi, “You have to tell us you will do the exchange before we tell you what it is you have to do.”

  • December 12, 2012 at 12:06 pm
    Stush says:
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    I am sure that no one with existing coverage from an employer will be required to do anything. there are some employers who will try to discontinue coverage to save money by shifting the coverage to an exchange, but that is not for most employers who are really too busy to let this get in the way of running their business. I too like to watch “Meet The Press” because it is a well established news outlet run by established journalists; these are the folks that FOX and Rush and such all call the liberal media. Near as I could tell it was usually too dry when I was young, but I didn’t have any political views then. but the game has changed and now it is all vitriol, to avoid the issue instead of facing it, and doing something about it. Name calling and labeling are the methods of choice of children to avoid getting into a real debate or discussion because they do not have a good cause or argument. In logic these ploys are called “poisoning the well” and “the straw man” so that is why “Meet The Press” is not on their weekly list of must-see TV. In my youth, being liberal was not a dirty word, but now it seems to be a perjorative term. Liberal was Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy whose political views were to use government to step in where the business community stepped back. The money lost by our population in the stock market crashes of 1929 and 2008 went somewhere, but no one is willing to say that it was the business community responsible for those train wrecks and it is the wealthy who are now welching on their obligations to protect the future of our country because they are the onlyn ones with the means to do so. It used to be that the captains of industry not only provided jobs but also saw to it that those who devoted their lives to their companies, to make them strong, they would be rewarded in their twilight years but now taht they have forgotten, it will be up to governement to do so…but only to protect those who need to be protected. I have coverage and I am not fearful nor am I afraid of the future, FOR ME…but what about those folks I see living in the inner city, like Baltimore or Philly, who have no way to get up or out? Do we really want to continue to pay for them to go to the hospital, knowing that is the most expensive method of health care delivery in the US? Exchanges are the best of the least intrusive options we have. I am for them. (sorry so long….)

  • December 12, 2012 at 7:30 pm
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    @Libby-you do sound well meaning and well intentioned, but as someone else pointed out, you seem a bit naive. Currently we are borrowing somewhere around 40% of the current Federal Budget. Raising the Debt Ceiling only enables more borrowing, not any sense of market stability, as we can only borrow what the Chinese and Middle Easterners are willing and able to bowwow.
    A good analagy would involve a credit card companny raising your credit limit so that you can charge more. You wouldn’t think thats right for how you conduct your finances and its not right for the gov’t either.
    What is better all around even though its painful is to live within our means-and politics aside, that means a massive increase in taxes, a massive decrease in Fed’l spending or a mix of both.

    • December 14, 2012 at 8:21 am
      Libby says:
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      I agree with you, but not raising the debt ceiling means another downgrade of our credit rating and only increases the rate at which we can borrow. That’s not smart, either.

  • December 18, 2012 at 10:37 pm
    Yvonne Finley-Walker says:
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    I have learned nothing from any of you. The election is over, so let’s deal with the isuues at hand & try to exchange ideas that will help us, regardless. Life is like a card game, you have to play with the cards that you have been dealt. So let’s move forward and stop this silliness and politics. Again, the election is over- Obama won!! Congress is messed up. Ok , let’s move forward!!



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