so, if we are concerned with the pilots and the passengers due to this event, why are we not considering this for a police officer with a laptop in the vehicle. if he’s using it while reacting/driving to a scene, then he’d be distracted. if the airline pilot was doing company work and missed his appointment, don’t you think a cop could do the same?
we have a lot of issues w/the technology getting more wireless and faster. yet, it requires a human intervention and reaction. DISTRACTION 101!
(whimsical disclaimer)Wouldn’t you think in this time of high stress and pressure on the job, wouldn’t it be nice to return to the friendlier skies when all we had to worry about was a ‘stewardess’ on the captains lap?
I have a friend who is a duepty sherrif in a major city. Just a few days ago I rode in his “company” vehicle while in route to a meeting.
He had three radios, but no laptop…but one of the radios had a screen that showed call info. While stopped he looked at the display…and it took a good 30 seconds to completely read the display and translate it from code to words. I can not imagine any officer doing that while the vehicle was moving in a regular driving situation..let alone a pursuit.
“The pilots acknowledged that while they were engaged in working on their laptops they weren’t paying attention to radio traffic, messages from their airline or their cockpit instruments, the board said.”
Tell me, everyone….they have GOT to be kidding!! Shudder to think if these guys were ever piloting a plane I was on….
OF COURSE THEY WERE ASLEEP. IT’S GOING TO BE PRETTY EASY TO CHECK OUT THEIR STORY. EVERYBODY KNOWS COMPUTORS LEAVE A TRAIL EVEN WHEN YOU DELETE STUFF. THEY’RE FLYING DAYS ARE LIKELY OVER. ESPECIALLY IF THEY LIED. THEY SHOULD HAVE SAID THEY WERE MAKING OUT WITH EACH OTHER A LOST TRACK OF EVERYTHING ELSE. THAT WAY IF DELTA FIRES THEM THEY CAN SUE FOR SEXUAL DISCRIMINATION… SAY $10 MILLION. OH WELL, HIND SIGHT.
-These guys are not kids.
They did not behave intelligently..
They are (were)LICENSED pilots.-as in flying an aircraft in the sky with, like 100 lives (..I know you call them people)on-board.
-They FAILED to follow the proper Rules and violated their public trust of their sworn duty, and (yes) placed their & the lives of everyone on board in peril.
Why are our friends here in this forum so damn-awful concerned about WHAT they were looking at on their laptops ?
>They weren’t being paid to look at laptops.
>>They were being paid to fly an airplane.
-Any parallel offered to justify their actions falls short:- the example offered of a policeman/fireman on-duty is unbalanced ; as he is ON THE GROUND & can stop his patrol car, & thereby avoid any accident causing death to hundreds of people !
On the other end of the scale is the hero pilot , Chesley “Sully” Sullenberger who safely landed his plane on the Hudson River in New York, and saved over 100 lives.
These two pilots will have ample time to think about how they risked the lives of innocents…-in their new fields of employment !
As a full-time risk manager and a part-time professional pilot, let me make this unequivocal statement: NO aircrew flying instrument flight rules under an air traffic control clearance (such as the Northwest pilots) would allow themselves to become so distracted for even a few moments as to miss a radio transmission. Understand, when ATC calls, they are almost always conveying critical information, including a change in radio communications frequency, heading, altitude, route of flight or even notification of conflicting traffic (like the dreaded “traffic 12 o’clock one mile opposite direction your altitude” call out). The only rational, reasonable, possible explanation to this incident is that this crew fell asleep. When they awoke, they knew they would be fired and their airman’s certificates would be revoked. Desperately they tried to come up with all manner of alternative explanations to try to stave this off, but to no avail.
LIKE I SAID THEY NEEDED A BETTER STORY. KISS KISS HUG HUG GRUNT GRUNT. GOOD LUCK FINDING A JOB IN THIS ECONOMY. ONE MORE THING MAYBE THE BLACK BOX WILL PICK UP SNORING.
If anyone has had flights throught that area, they may be aware that Oshkosh is small plane heaven. Those small planes aren’t in the loop on these flights and frequently have near misses with commercial flights. I was on two flights from Minneapolis to Chicago last year that had to make fast moves to avoid small planes. Not going to happen with these former pilots.
so, if we are concerned with the pilots and the passengers due to this event, why are we not considering this for a police officer with a laptop in the vehicle. if he’s using it while reacting/driving to a scene, then he’d be distracted. if the airline pilot was doing company work and missed his appointment, don’t you think a cop could do the same?
we have a lot of issues w/the technology getting more wireless and faster. yet, it requires a human intervention and reaction. DISTRACTION 101!
(whimsical disclaimer)Wouldn’t you think in this time of high stress and pressure on the job, wouldn’t it be nice to return to the friendlier skies when all we had to worry about was a ‘stewardess’ on the captains lap?
I have a friend who is a duepty sherrif in a major city. Just a few days ago I rode in his “company” vehicle while in route to a meeting.
He had three radios, but no laptop…but one of the radios had a screen that showed call info. While stopped he looked at the display…and it took a good 30 seconds to completely read the display and translate it from code to words. I can not imagine any officer doing that while the vehicle was moving in a regular driving situation..let alone a pursuit.
“The pilots acknowledged that while they were engaged in working on their laptops they weren’t paying attention to radio traffic, messages from their airline or their cockpit instruments, the board said.”
Tell me, everyone….they have GOT to be kidding!! Shudder to think if these guys were ever piloting a plane I was on….
Does anyone really believe that they “didn’t pay attention” to repeated calls from controla nd other aircraft. Face it they were sleeping.
OF COURSE THEY WERE ASLEEP. IT’S GOING TO BE PRETTY EASY TO CHECK OUT THEIR STORY. EVERYBODY KNOWS COMPUTORS LEAVE A TRAIL EVEN WHEN YOU DELETE STUFF. THEY’RE FLYING DAYS ARE LIKELY OVER. ESPECIALLY IF THEY LIED. THEY SHOULD HAVE SAID THEY WERE MAKING OUT WITH EACH OTHER A LOST TRACK OF EVERYTHING ELSE. THAT WAY IF DELTA FIRES THEM THEY CAN SUE FOR SEXUAL DISCRIMINATION… SAY $10 MILLION. OH WELL, HIND SIGHT.
Here’s your bottom-line, friends:
-These guys are not kids.
They did not behave intelligently..
They are (were)LICENSED pilots.-as in flying an aircraft in the sky with, like 100 lives (..I know you call them people)on-board.
-They FAILED to follow the proper Rules and violated their public trust of their sworn duty, and (yes) placed their & the lives of everyone on board in peril.
Why are our friends here in this forum so damn-awful concerned about WHAT they were looking at on their laptops ?
>They weren’t being paid to look at laptops.
>>They were being paid to fly an airplane.
-Any parallel offered to justify their actions falls short:- the example offered of a policeman/fireman on-duty is unbalanced ; as he is ON THE GROUND & can stop his patrol car, & thereby avoid any accident causing death to hundreds of people !
On the other end of the scale is the hero pilot , Chesley “Sully” Sullenberger who safely landed his plane on the Hudson River in New York, and saved over 100 lives.
These two pilots will have ample time to think about how they risked the lives of innocents…-in their new fields of employment !
As a full-time risk manager and a part-time professional pilot, let me make this unequivocal statement: NO aircrew flying instrument flight rules under an air traffic control clearance (such as the Northwest pilots) would allow themselves to become so distracted for even a few moments as to miss a radio transmission. Understand, when ATC calls, they are almost always conveying critical information, including a change in radio communications frequency, heading, altitude, route of flight or even notification of conflicting traffic (like the dreaded “traffic 12 o’clock one mile opposite direction your altitude” call out). The only rational, reasonable, possible explanation to this incident is that this crew fell asleep. When they awoke, they knew they would be fired and their airman’s certificates would be revoked. Desperately they tried to come up with all manner of alternative explanations to try to stave this off, but to no avail.
LIKE I SAID THEY NEEDED A BETTER STORY. KISS KISS HUG HUG GRUNT GRUNT. GOOD LUCK FINDING A JOB IN THIS ECONOMY. ONE MORE THING MAYBE THE BLACK BOX WILL PICK UP SNORING.
Pretty sure I heard that it was one of the old 30-minute boxes, so it’s unlikely to have anything on it from before they turned around.
Work scheduling software. Yeah. Sure.
See:
http://notionscapital.wordpress.com/2009/10/27/distracted-flying/
If anyone has had flights throught that area, they may be aware that Oshkosh is small plane heaven. Those small planes aren’t in the loop on these flights and frequently have near misses with commercial flights. I was on two flights from Minneapolis to Chicago last year that had to make fast moves to avoid small planes. Not going to happen with these former pilots.
Friday afternoon. I can’t even spell my own fake name.
I sure do agree with Bill. I would like him to email me about a discussion on Vortex sounds. SFR@IASTATE.EDU Thanks.