Health Insurers Nervous Over Prospect of Romney Victory

By Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar & Jennifer Agiesta | October 30, 2012

  • October 30, 2012 at 12:51 pm
    Captain Planet says:
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    Don’t worry, health insurers. Romney is so full of the sh!t he’s shoveling, it’s the reason why his face always looks like he’s smelling a fart. He’s probably lying to us all about repealing anyhow. He’s flip-flopped on literally everything no one can really know what this guy stands for or is going to do. His own campaign manager said they’ll just etch-a-sketch and that’s exactly what they have done. Romney will say and do anything to get elected. Just like he said, “I’m running for President, for Pete’s sake.”

    • October 30, 2012 at 1:30 pm
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      I see and Obama alway’s tells us the truth?

    • October 30, 2012 at 1:31 pm
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      I hate when school gets cancelled and little kids like Captain P start playing on Insurance Journal.

    • October 30, 2012 at 1:39 pm
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      “In contrast, Obama’s law is starting to look more and more like a tangible business opportunity.”

      This is exactly what we have been saying all along, but all the chicken littles out there were too busy squaking “Repeal, repeal, repeal!” to hear us.

      Good grief. Does anyone ever stop and think on this blog? The plan can be good for everyone, insurers and consumers alike. Calm down and try to catch a grip.

    • November 1, 2012 at 12:46 pm
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      Captain:

      Nice bully comments. Like he’s smelling a fart….Very mature as well.

      This is how a bully talks.

      A real person points out things they disagree with, and does not pull out etch a sketch, does not use the word fart, he uses facts like “Abu Sufurian” “Iraq Withdrawal date = same” “premiums = claims” etc.

      Nice bully work though.

      Thanks for trying out!

      • November 1, 2012 at 4:04 pm
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        Bob, that is the comments of someone from another Planet. He is an inmature Progressive who thinks his childlike comments are funny. He makes statements like he enjoys going to see the Bulls play at Wrigley field and thinks no one will think anything of it. I think he has been sniffing too much of that ethanol being produced in Iowa.

  • October 30, 2012 at 1:30 pm
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    The poor health insurers, I feel sorry for them as we get delt the extra cost of healthcare. All I can say Captain Planet, when you get your new premiums I hope you have enough money to pay them. My premiums through my employer are going up $170 a month for 2013. Happy Obama care and I hope you enjoy the socialist society you are helping the US become.

    • October 30, 2012 at 1:58 pm
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      Lenny, from my HR Department:
      While the average health care cost for 2013 are trending around 7.5%, _ _ _ is pleased that we will be keeping 2013 rates for the medical plan the same and adding additional tier categories to better define plan participants.
      Short Term Disability will be paid by the Company for all eligible employees
      New Voluntary benefits for Accident and Critical Illness will be offered
      New Vision Insurance will be offered
      New Health Advocate – helps navigate through the Health Care System
      New spousal requirement for the base plan only
      New plan design for Base plan with changes to deductibles, co-pays and coverage
      Plans will have four tiers (Base, High Deductible and Dental)
      o Employee
      o Employee + Dependents
      o Employee + Spouse
      o Family
      New smoking surcharge of 20% of premium on all medical tiers and plans
      Access to CIGNA Quit Smoking Today Program- on-line or telephonic coaching and support
      Pharmacy coverage is moving from Cigna to CVS Caremark
      _ _ _ will increase Company contribution to employees Health Savings Account if you are enrolled in the HDHP
      Medical Flexible Spending accounts will have a $2,500 maximum (IRS Guideline)
      Dental Plan – small increase in premiums for the first time since 2009

      This is the best health benefits news I have received in over 10 years. And, a private carrier is still the carrier. Hardly a socialist program as you intimate. But, thanks for trying out.

    • October 30, 2012 at 5:47 pm
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      False equivalence. Remember, all the benefits don’t kick in until 2014. Plus, what would they be without ACA. Care to disclose your insurance company, premiums for last 10 years, your plans experience etc.? Socialist. Good one. The man surrounds himself with Wall Street types and he gets called a Socialist.

    • October 30, 2012 at 7:09 pm
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      Maybe your republican bosses should agree to cover some of the cost?

  • October 30, 2012 at 1:34 pm
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  • October 30, 2012 at 1:40 pm
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    I’d like to point out, reader, “You’re” is a contraction for “you are”. So, back at you with the command of the English language. But, thanks for trying out.

    • October 30, 2012 at 1:41 pm
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      Check and Mate. Touche!

  • October 30, 2012 at 1:55 pm
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    Hey Libby and Captin – Looks like Mitt is give old spineless Obama a run for his money in the early voting. A President who looks turns a blind eye to the terrorist attacks on 09/11/2012 in Benghazi and blames a video about Mohammad for days after the terrorist attacks has no business being in office! And you don’t seem to hear anything about this in mainstream media, I wonder why? 8 more days and hopefull the Obamas’ will be packing their bags and sadly coming back to Chicago where I reside.

    • October 30, 2012 at 6:16 pm
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      • October 31, 2012 at 12:51 pm
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        Hi Agent, That is good news to hear. It is very disgraceful what happed in Behghazi and also in Egypt as well. My heart goes out to the famlies and friends of these 4 courageous souls. When Obama called on the Navy Seals to get Osama they were there. When they called him for help he tured a blind eye as well as Panetta and the rest of the lot. And it just amazes me how CBS, ABC, NBC, and probably CNN are all protecting Obama and not even making this an issue. When Romeny wins, I hope he exposes all the lies and cover ups that went down with this administration. Instead for Forward Obamas new slogan should read Coward because that is what Obama has alwasy been.

  • October 30, 2012 at 1:58 pm
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    The problem with Obamacare (the Affordability Care Act (note: name is a fraud))is that it is designed to put these same insurance companies out of business. As designed (in spite of what we have been told) the premiums are going through the roof. It will become increasingly less affordable until 80% cannot purchase the coverage. They won’t buy, and will just pay the fine, which by way is much less than the premiums. This is by design. The companies will eventually go out of business (by design) and that will usher in a single payer plan (by design). Horrible, absolutely horrible. Being uninsured in this country is better that being insured in Britain or Canada. I know, I have lived in England for 5 years. They had better lover Romney because he will keep them in business.

    • October 30, 2012 at 2:04 pm
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      Conspiracy theory anybody?

  • October 30, 2012 at 2:05 pm
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    Sorry for the typo’s.

  • October 30, 2012 at 2:22 pm
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    I personally think everyone should get their own free unicorn.

  • October 30, 2012 at 2:35 pm
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    We should repeal the law for no other reason than that it is a total partisan take over of 20% of our economy by government that was pushed through in the middle of the night and not a single politician who voted for it understood it. This all happened when the majority of our citizens were against it. Why cant we agree both republicans and democrats that there is something in the middle between us where we could solve our cost of medical treatments and be fair to doctors and patients.

    • October 30, 2012 at 2:45 pm
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      Sarah, as you recall, the Democrats weren’t interested in Republican solutions to Healthcare. Their attitude was – we won, you lost, get on the back of the bus. There was absolutely no attempt to do this in a bi-partisan way and instead, the Progressive plan was rammed down our throats. The carriers have been busy implementing and we get bulletins all the time from Blue Cross on the phases they have to live with. In the end, they will be protected because HHS will subsidize them to keep them in business when they are paying all those PreX claims. Everything will end up in the exchanges online and geeks that know nothing about insurance will just process online apps for Medicaid like coverage. The agents will be on the outside looking in. There should be a way to compromise on this and get rid of about 2,600 of the nastiest pages and all the taxes about to rain down on the Middle Class. Romney will have his work cut out for him when he takes office.

      • October 30, 2012 at 3:01 pm
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        Agent, as you recall, the Republicans weren’t interested in any solutions to Healthcare for over 30 years, including 6 years when they controlled the House and Senate under GW.

        The Republicans have always been and will always be against any attempts to improve health insurance availability for everyone, including the working poor.

        • October 30, 2012 at 3:08 pm
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          It’s call Plutocracy – ” ignoring their social responsibilities to the poor, using their power to serve their own purposes and thereby increasing poverty and nurturing class conflict, and corrupting their societies with greed and hedonism.”

          It is the definition of the current state of the country. But by all means, let’s continue to vote those into office that worship the all-mighty dollar and are beholding to the 1% that intend to rule the world.

          It won’t be long before the peasants uprise and revolt.

        • October 31, 2012 at 2:23 pm
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          yes, J.S., as I’ve said before we Republins hate the poor and the elderly and will not lift a finger to help any of them.

          Have you read/heard any reports about how Mitt Romney is taking collections of food, clothing, etc., for Hurricane Sandy victims? MSNBC is all over him trying to figure out a way to put a negative spin on this. How DARE Romney be compasstionate! He’s a…a…REPUBLICAN!!

        • October 31, 2012 at 2:26 pm
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          Yes, J.S. I’ve said it before how we Republicans HATE poor people and the elderly and we want them all to die!! How DARE Mitt Romney go out there a take collections of nonperishable food items and clothing to help the Hurricane Sandy victims! He’s not supposed to be compassionate!! He’s a REPUBLICAN!!

          Arguing with you liberals is like banging my head repeatedly against a wall.

          • October 31, 2012 at 2:28 pm
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            Keep arguing. Maybe you’ll knock yourself out.

          • October 31, 2012 at 6:02 pm
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            CT Agent: My only comment related to the long Republican history of opposing all attempts to make health insurance more available to all Americans, including the working poor. I stand by that comment and defy you to refute it. Yes, I added the “never will” comment which is admittedly editorializing but I’m just playing the odds on that.

            I’m not really sure where you are going with your comments. They certainly have nothing to do with anything I wrote.

          • November 1, 2012 at 8:58 am
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            That’s cause he is trying to get elected.

          • November 1, 2012 at 9:00 am
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            I’m so glad you have finally admitted your true feelings, CT. That you hate the poor and elderly and want them all to die.

            Doesn’t it feel better to get that off your chest? Honesty IS the best policy.

          • November 1, 2012 at 5:03 pm
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            Hi CT. I am sure you remember the now infamous Allen Grayson (D-FL) who got up in front of the House of Representatives and screamed at the top of his lungs and proclaimed – Here is the Republican Plan for Healthcare. It is DIE! That didn’t seem to go over very well in his Florida District and he lost in a landslide in the Mid Terms. Everybody on the left seems to discount what happened in the Shellacking of 10 which was the biggest in 40 years. Those same voters are still around and are motivated to even a bigger degree since the country is in more trouble now than then. With the prospect of Sequestration on the budget, higher taxes for all citizens, Obamacare on the horizen including all their new taxes, robbing Medicare for $716 Billion, I think we will end up with a landslide for Romney. Planet & Libby can drink all the Koolaid they have left and listen to the left wing polls and websites and it won’t change how the people think or vote next week.

        • November 1, 2012 at 3:59 pm
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          JS, I hate to inform you like this, but Democrats were in Congress for all the years you cite and often in the majority. LBJ had a mandate when he was in office and succeeded in moving the Social Security Trust Fund to the General Fund to spend on his War on Poverty. The result we have is a broke Social Security System, record poverty, Middle Class with $4,300 less income and the prospect of Obamacare looming with all the new taxes associated with it. What a solution to Healthcare? Wow, I can’t wait – at least for 6 more days to throw these bums out of office.

          • November 1, 2012 at 6:47 pm
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            Hi Agent: I appreciate your comment and even agree with several, though not all, of your points. However, I fail to see what it has to do with my earlier posts. The Republicans have not proposed any bills to help with the problem of the uninsured and have opposed several Democrat proposals. Thus, I still stand by my original point.

            I get the feeling that you and CT Agent are of the opinion that if someone makes a factual point about Republicans that you don’t like, they must therefore be 100% in agreement with actions and platforms of the Democrats. If this is your belief, you are wrong. I personally am extremely unhappy with many provisions of so called Obamacare. But, the problem of the uninsured is real and the Republicans have not lifted a finger to help. If they choose to become part of the solution, I, for one, will be very happy because there is still work to be done. At the same time, I’m not holding my breath.

  • October 30, 2012 at 2:55 pm
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    GO MITT ROMNEY! Take away the health insurance (less government) and give a tax loop hole to the rich (job creators) and corporations (tax evaders). This fantastic financial theory will certainly help the economy and society. Ok republicans let’s not forget to get our talking points from FOX and Rush today and push this issue like they told us. It’s going to be great to get back to the Bush era economics!

    • October 30, 2012 at 3:02 pm
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      We’re going to get back to the days of slaves and their massahs. Oh wait! We’re already there.

      • October 31, 2012 at 2:29 pm
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        O.M.G., Libby. Did you really just post that?! And, I thought there was hope for you but if you’re going to start quoting
        Joe A.H. Biden, I can see there is not.

        • October 31, 2012 at 2:38 pm
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          I was quoting anyone, CT.

        • October 31, 2012 at 3:07 pm
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          Hey CT. Libby just loves Hairplug Joe. She just loves him saying if he & Obama are re-elected, they would raise taxes $1Trillion and that the Republicans have given the wealthy $500 Trillion in tax breaks. She just loves it when he said the Republicans would put all the blacks back in chains. After all, Joe was just being Joe. And no Libby, I am not making all this up. He is on tape saying these things. You probably didn’t see it on the Huffington Post so maybe you should start paying attention to the real news.

          • October 31, 2012 at 3:08 pm
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            Agent, I wasn’t quoting Joe Biden. Those were MY words, believe it or not.

          • October 31, 2012 at 3:17 pm
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            Ok, Ripley…I believe those were your words…that’s makes it a little scarier..

          • November 1, 2012 at 4:21 pm
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            And ozzie was just being Ozzie. He got fired from the HWite Sox and the MArlins for being Ozzie. Biden admire Castro too?

        • November 1, 2012 at 12:53 pm
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          Hey CT & FFA. You will like this one and Libby will not. I saw a new bumper sticker that just came out. Chicago is famous for three things. Pizza, Gangsters & Corrupt Politicians. Obama is not a pizza. Sums it up pretty well I think.

          • November 2, 2012 at 9:33 am
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            I LOVE that! It totally sums it up!!

      • November 1, 2012 at 4:19 pm
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        Libby, you and Jesse SR are the most racisist people I encounter.
        Always comes back around to race for you.

        • November 1, 2012 at 4:28 pm
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          Where did that comment come out of FFA? Left field? I know you’re talking about baseball and all, but not sure why you felt the need to post that.

          I am not racist. And really, I don’t like being called that.

          • November 1, 2012 at 5:41 pm
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            Many of your comments circle back around to race. Even in other forums. Everything always loops around to race. Your the first to bring it up. You seem to be the only one that really argues it. You call people racist all the time.

            I am sorry to say that I have wasted many hours on this topic. I have not changed any ones mind. You have not changed any ones mind. We keep arguing the same thing over and over.

            I’ve made my position clear. Govy has no biz being in the health insurance biz. No Tort reform is nothing but change for the sake of change. Any Illinois Politician should not be trusted at all regardless of anything any one says.

            Whom ever votes for OBama is just voting for Chicago style politics in the White House. It was wrong in the days of Al Cappone, it was wrong during Grey Lord, Silver Scoop, Rezco, Levine, Blago, Jesse JR ect…

            I’Ve had enough of dirty politics. Central Wi looking more and more inviting. I found office space for under $200 @ month for 1000 sq feet nice build out. Way cheaper then I have here for way more space. So long as Cap stays out of the south side, he should be fine.

          • November 2, 2012 at 10:38 am
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            Yup, is it 3 governors sent to jail in Chicago? I think I may have lost count! I could not agree with your post more FAA. I’ve lived in Chicago all my life. The Windy City name didn’t come from the climate here. It was coined because of the big mouth politians bowing hot air.

    • October 30, 2012 at 3:04 pm
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      @ taxpayer- Just like a democrat to overstate (lie) about the right’s position when your logic fails.

  • October 30, 2012 at 3:30 pm
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    Libby and Taxpayer…you both need to do your own homework. Some of us listen to Fox and Rush because they actually do a little research. If you listened to anything but mainstream news you might become enlightened, but then you don’t really want that. You would rather spout talking points about going back to the days of slaves, etc.. A comment which you can’t provide any justification for. It means nothing. You are shallow and will drink Obama’s koolaid no matter what the truth is. I haven’t seen one post from you, Libby, regarding what happened at Benghazi. Can you justify Obama’s lying to us for weeks about what happened? (oh yeah, if you watched anyting but MSN, ABC, etc. you might know what really happened that day). Can you justify his watching as our ambassador was raped and ravaged? Have you even read details of how 2 Navy Seals held off the attackers for some time, called for help and were told to stand down? One of those brave men even painted a targey (go research that) so that a missile could be fired but no one in the WH had the balls to fire it. Have you listened to Charles Woods describe his treatment by the WH? Do you even know who Charles Woods is? Do you know who Tyrone Woods is? I doubt it. I’m probably wasting my time. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH. TAKE THE BLINDERS OFF.

    • October 30, 2012 at 3:35 pm
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      You do some research yourself, Lady. Have you seen how the Koch Brothers own the republican party? Do you even know who the Koch brothers are? Have you seen where Goldman Sachs runs the Congress? Do you even know that over half of the Fed is run by former Goldman Sachs employees? Do you even know what a Plutocracy is?

      You people are like sheep standing in line, JOYFULLY waiting to be led to the slaughter by the 1% that you unwittingly and stupidly admire. Do you think they give a shit about you or any other peon worker or small business owner? I hate to burst your bubble, but THEY DON’T. They just as soon grind you in the dirt to make 100 bucks.

      You are the ones that have not done your research. If you did you would know that voting with the 1% is like slitting your own throat. Who’s drinking the kool-aid now???

      • October 30, 2012 at 3:43 pm
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        I was really hoping for a comment on how your president handled Benghazi, but guess that isn’t going to happen. You can’t defend him any better than he is defending himself by not taking questions about it. He is so arrogant and above us peons, and you can’t, don’t want to see that. For some strange reason you worship the ground he walks on and why???? He is above reproach. Why is that? And as for the wealthy… who employs you? I’m thankful to have a job and that is provided by some wealthy, honest men who work hard and provide a nice work environment. I don’t expect them to pay me what they make. You won’t be happy until the U.S. is socialist. Take away all the freedom we have and do away with free enterprise. I suggest you move to Europe.

        • October 30, 2012 at 3:50 pm
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          I suggest you take your head out of you-know-where. The way Benghazi was handled was not right. The fact that it happened was a tragedy. I know the State Department did not act on repeated requests for additional security. That needs to be investigated and addressed.

          Trying to say the President is personally responsible for denying requests for additional security is simply not true.

          And as far as the “wealthy”, I am talking about the super-rich 1% who would be happy to put you and your honest, hard-working bosses out of business if it meant a profit for you.

          I was hoping for a response about the Koch Bros. and Goldman-Sachs. I guess that’s not going to happen. Their actions are indefensible and led to the very situation you are now holding Obama responsible for.

          For God’s sake. Open your eyes, woman.

          • October 30, 2012 at 3:50 pm
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            I meant to say “a profit for them.”

          • October 31, 2012 at 1:06 pm
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            Libby, Libby, Libby – you are so blind & hateful. You are the one who needs to open your eyes. “Trying to say the President is personally responsible for denying requests for additional security is simply not true.” Have you been living under a ROCK?
            Do just a little research – watch FOX for 5 minutes and educate yourself on the situation. Obama IS peroanlly responsible and so are all his cronies are as well. There should have been hightened security at evey ebmbassy and consulate everywhere in the world on 09/12/2012. These 6 who died were sitting ducks that day!!

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          • October 31, 2012 at 1:55 pm
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            Amazed, I am not hateful. Hateful is making us stories about the President and passing them off as true. Do you think every request for security goes across Obama’s desk and he OK’s or denies it? That is not a function of his day-to-day job. He is ultimately responsible as Commander-in-Chief and he has said as much.

            The hate for Obama has overridden any kind of civil or reasonable discussion between the right and the left.

          • October 31, 2012 at 2:32 pm
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            “Trying to say the President is personally responsible for denying requests for additional security is simply not true.” Then, who the f*** is responsible, Libby??? I can’t wait to hear your liberal-drivel answer.

          • October 31, 2012 at 2:47 pm
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            Asked and answered, CT. Why don’t you read a little bit more before you open your mouth?

          • October 31, 2012 at 2:58 pm
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            Whatev, Loser Hater Libby

          • October 31, 2012 at 3:09 pm
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            Very mature, CT. Question my patriotism and then call me a hater.

          • October 31, 2012 at 3:18 pm
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            don’t forget loser..I am referring to Obama when I say loser, Libby. I do not, nor do I presume to know, if you yourself are a loser.

          • October 31, 2012 at 3:21 pm
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            Don’t try to backpedal what you said now CT. You said, and I quote, “Whatev, Loser Hater Libby”. You not only called me a hater, but also a loser. As I said, very mature.

            Now what about answering my other questions or do you not have answers, as usual?

          • October 31, 2012 at 6:31 pm
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          • November 1, 2012 at 1:01 pm
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            Libby:

            I notice when I hit something on the nail you hide it.

            I tested this theory before, I know it’s you down grading the posts to hide them.

            We all do.

            If you’re honest, don’t do it to facts you don’t disagree with. I still have yet to down grade one of yours or planets.

            So here’s a repost of what I put, about Obama:

            Sorry Libby, he outright lied.

            Fox news had the report day one stating Abu Sufirian (sp, I am not the best at spelling Al Quieda names) lead the attack.

            Obama claimed it was a result of a video, and MAY be an Al Queida attack.

            Yes. Abu Sufirian is the same Abu who was released to a prison in Libya in 2007. Yes, Ghadaffi let him go. And then he attacked our country.

            A few months before the attack Obama released 5 more Gitmo detainees to their families. They aren’t dangerous right?

            A few weeks after the attack he agreed to release 55 more. They aren’t dangerous right?

            He didn’t know when he saw Abu’s name in the report, which Fox accurately reported on day one, that a Gitmo Al Quieda member had anything to do with it?

            He’s the freaking POTUS. He knew. And he lied so he could play the shutting down Gitmo card, while not suffering the bad publicity of the effects of letting go of Gitmo detainees. I’d call that pretty sleazy. We let go a Gitmo detainee to a Libya prison, and even that was too dangerous to do.

            Side comment: Water boarding of another gitmo detainee lead to Osama. Failed policies of the past though eh?

            As for Koch and the conspiracy theory there: It’s B.S. I’m just going to put that out there to begin with, and then ask you refer back to how we really got into this mess, which we just debated on recently. It was not preferential treatment to Goldman Sachs that made us collapse.

            Otherwise, all the other banks would not have collapsed. Systems collapse as a whole when the whole system does the same thing. Not different things. Deregulation results in firms doing a multitude of different things, not the same thing.

          • November 1, 2012 at 1:06 pm
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            Libby:

            By “we all do” I meant we all know that was you.

            Not that we all hide comments.

          • November 1, 2012 at 1:13 pm
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            Are you kidding me, Bob? Agent downgrades everything I say, whether it’s partisan or not. There is one site where almost every single post of mine is hidden.

            If I don’t go in and thumb myself up every now and then I will, in essence, be censored.

            And nobody puts Libby in the corner.

          • November 1, 2012 at 3:32 pm
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            I don’t care what Agent does to you. Don’t talk to me like a child.

            You hid that post. I noticed you didn’t deny it.

            I tested this in the past through an obvious method, and is actually the only time I down graded you. I still remember the post.

            Any of your posts were immediately shot through the rough no matter how many times I downgraded. I ran the test through everyone. You failed the test. It was my goal to find out why in the world there were 100 likes on some posts or 100 dislikes hiding them.

            You don’t get the right to hide my info because agent is putting you in the corner.

            You insult me saying does it make me feel like a big man, and I’m bullying because I’ve been bullied. This is not how you treat people libby, and justifying it through others doesn’t make it right.

            Just don’t do it.

          • November 1, 2012 at 3:37 pm
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            I will deny it, Bob. You made that post yesterday and it has 39 dislikes. I couldn’t have done that many in a day if I wanted to. IJ only allows you to grade once a day.

            And why do you not care what Agent does when he does the exact same thing you are calling me on the carpet for? Just because him censoring me is OK in your book? Double-dealing, again, Bob.

            I’m not talking to you like you are child, even though you act like it.

          • November 1, 2012 at 4:24 pm
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            He is responsible. He is Com in Chief. He even stated that in a debate that you pointed out ina different post.
            Now hes not? Cant have it both ways Libby.

        • October 30, 2012 at 5:37 pm
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          Agent Lady, You may have seen the story about General Ham, the commander of Africorn. He heard the pleas for help from the consulate and readied his strike force and asked to go in to save the Ambassador and Seals. They denied him and he was going to do it anyway when he was promptly relieved from duty and they are forcing him to resign. Between Penetta, Hillary and this President, they are the worst and watched our people die in real time and did nothing to help. Libby just says it was handled badly. The truth is they are guilty as sin and then lied about it for a month. They should be prosecuted for this criminal behavior.

          • October 31, 2012 at 11:57 am
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            Agent, having never been in the military I will excuse you for believing such nonsense.

            “The rumor about General Ham is alarming. And so far, there is absolutely no clear evidence proving such an incident happened. In fact, much more evidence would suggest none of the rumor to be true.

            General Ham isn’t retiring. If these rumors were true, he would have quietly been asked to retire or he would have been fired. To date, it appears that General Ham will be taking over one of America’s largest commands in the very near future. What that command is, well, we should just wait for confirmation of such.”

            http://www.examiner.com/article/debunking-the-case-of-general-carter-ham-1

          • October 31, 2012 at 2:33 pm
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            They should be prosecuted and he should have been impeached and not allowed to even be on the ticket anymore.

          • October 31, 2012 at 2:40 pm
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            Impeached for WHAT, CT???? What is it your are ALLEGING “they” did, exactly???

            For Christ’s sake, if Bush wasn’t impeached for Iraq, certainly Obama can’t be impeached for what happened in Benghazi. You act like he went over there and launched the grenade attack himself.

          • October 31, 2012 at 3:11 pm
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            How about him being impeached for all the lies he’s told?? And, for his inaction in this tragedy? How about he be a leader rather than a divider? I’d say those are all impeachable acts…anything to get this joke out of the WH. ANYTHING!!!

          • November 1, 2012 at 9:24 am
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            Amazed – as a journalist who has studied and researched bias in the media for the last 20 years and always tried to maintain an objective “middle of the road” view of the media, I find your comment about watching FOX news in order to educate yourself laughable. All media outlets are biased in some way but if you could be a fly on the wall at FOX on a daily basis, it would become clear to you that FOX is the most biased news outlet out of them all. The news at FOX is specifically molded on a daily basis to fit a very particular and specific politcal agenda. Reporters are told exactly what to report and even worse, are told exactly how to report it by the higher ups who ultimatly run the show. Again, most all media is biased but take if from someone who has intimate knowledge of the way things work at FOX.

          • November 1, 2012 at 2:22 pm
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            The why in the world is FOX the only station that is covering the Benghazi terrorist attack? Can you give me a straiht answer for that? No other stations seem to be interested enough. Might it be becuase they don’t what Obama to have egg on his face? Look, the goverment FAILED!! BIG TIME!! And everyone knows it excpet for let’s see ABC, NBC CBS just to name a few. At least FOX is taking note of the situation and yes, there are folks out there that are outgraged that nothing, I repeat, NOTHING was done to help them. If it were Beyonce’ maybe Obama would have taken notice. Sad but TRUE!

          • November 1, 2012 at 2:27 pm
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            I think you answered your own question, Amazed. Fox is the only network jumping the gun to try to make Obama look bad before all the facts are in BECAUSE they are biased. The others are reporting on facts, not conjecture. Since no new facts have arisen from the investigation yet, there is nothing to report. Fox is trying to make this a political boondoggle and judging by the number of posts, they are succeeding.

          • November 1, 2012 at 4:47 pm
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            You know what FFA, if Benghazi came down back in the Spring or Summer, the impeachment papers would have been drawn up for sure. Every day that passes brings out a new revelation from cables to emails that have been verified that Penetta, Hillary and this President knew from the first hour of the attack and watched it in real time and did nothing. Assets were in place to help rescue the Ambassador and the Commander was fired and replaced so he couldn’t order action. The number one duty of a President is to protect this country and its citizens and he couldn’t be bothered. Liberals cannot spin there way out of this. I see some comments about Fox being biased because they are reporting this as it happened. They did their research and obtained copies of the cables, emails and meetings that were called. The other outlets will not say anything since they are in the left tank. Would someone please answer why this Ambassador was in an Al Quida stronghold for over a month instead of Tripoli where there is more security? If he was afraid of the build up of Al Quida, why didn’t he just get out? One theory is that he was doing a gun running operation for the CIA to supply guns to Syrian freedom fighters and the deal went bad. If that is not true, we could have at least sent some Cobra gunships in and rescued him long before his life was in jeopardy. Libby, don’t give me any more nonsense about us waiting for the investigation to bring it out. We need to know before the election what kind of President we have and if he is culpable for this tragedy.

        • November 1, 2012 at 2:44 pm
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          Libby, I don’t hate Obama. I never did. I didn’t think he had the experience needed to be president. I listened to his speeches when he was running and something didn’t set well with me. I thought he was lying. Those were my personal feelings then and those are still my personal feelings today. Obama still does not have the experience to be president and his record for the past almost 4 years speaks for itself. He had nothing to run on. Only broken promises. “You can’t chance the government from the inside out.” Obama said this – what does that even mean. He’s in way over his head and everyone knows it. Hillary would have been a much better president then Obama and I know many dems who think that today. I didn’t vote for Obama but I certainly didn’t want him to fail as a president, if he failed we all failed. And sad to say, he failed.

          • November 1, 2012 at 2:51 pm
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            BTW FOX is the only media network that is running the Benghazi story.. Why do you suppose that is? 4 Americans and one was the Ambassador for crying out loud died that day 09/11/2012. The terrorists made us look like fools. That’s huge! Obama has an investigation going on. Seriously, I doubt it. Not before the election. God forbid he might have egg on his face. CNN is not biased? MSNBC is not biased? Paleeze! Only Fox is biases; right.

          • November 1, 2012 at 2:53 pm
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            Amazed, I, too, didn’t think Obama had enough time behind the desk to be President. I was a HUGE Hillary supporter and still am. I always said, it takes months in a new job just to know where the supplies are, how to work the fax machine, and where the restrooms are – let alone how Washington works. Hillary had spent 8 years there and could hit the ground running.

            Honestly, I didn’t think America was ready to elect a black man over a white woman but I was proved wrong. When he was nominated, I got behind him because his values are more similar to mine. Plus I felt McCain, while a good man, was too old-fashioned and set in his ways to make any change. Plus if anything happened to him, and he isn’t a spring chicken to begin with, we would be stuck with Sarah Palin, which was too scary to even imagine. I think that decision was what finished McCain’s campaign.

            I look at Romney and I just see slick. They used to call Clinton slick Willy, but he’s got nothing on Romney. I don’t want a former venture capitalist as President of the country. I don’t agree with his value proposition or his stance on women and gay rights. No matter what he says, he is a devout Morman and the church is very anti-women and gay rights. I can’t believe in his heart of hearts he can be unbiased about that.

            Plus he’s flip-flopped so many times on so many things, I don’t feel I can trust him. At least Obama has been consistent with his message, whether you agree with it or believe him or not.

          • November 1, 2012 at 2:56 pm
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            I am not saying other media outlets are not unbiased, but they are not as flagrant as Fox is about it. I do think most professional journalists try to be unbiased. There are of course, editorialists that get paid for their opinion. That is different.

          • November 1, 2012 at 4:20 pm
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            @Amazed – I would say that Fox is running the most about the Benghazi attacks and have seen them cover the story from just about every angle both politically and journalistcally in only the way that Fox news can do. However, to say that they are the ONLY ones covering this story is a ludacris statement. I have read and seen many stories on this incident from almost every news outlet who have covered the story at one point or another. I think the real question here is why does Fox continue to use this story and the soundbites that come from it as political ammunition against the President and the entire Democratic party?

          • November 2, 2012 at 11:13 am
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            Libby, Well at least we can agree on some things – I am regarding your response below but I did think that American was ready for mixed race president, but just not Obama for his lack of experience. However, he is a very eloquent speaker, which I believe along with the media backing him (along with Acorn but that’s a whole other subject). I agree with you also about having Palin as president. That scared me as well. However, Obama has flip-flopped over a lot of things too and I suppose that’s just being human. One can change ones mind often enough but when it’s election time you do get chastised for doing so. I do believe that Obama did get caught with his pants down regarding Benghazi. There should have been a high alert warning everywhere on 09/11/12 and moving forward who ever wins this election I am suspecting when the next anniversary comes around sadly there will be. The 4 people who died on 9/11 didn’t have too die. They were sitting ducks who did feel threatened as well as the others at the embassies and consulates in other locations in the Middle East. The lack of security needs to be investigated right up to Obama’s desk. Why was this not put in place? Especially on 9/11/12.

          • November 2, 2012 at 11:25 am
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            Amazed – you actually might be amazed to find out that all of us on this site have more common ground than differences. I am going to try to be more balanced in my responses, as I have tended to go off on tangents in the past and that is not productive. I appreciate LiveFree for pointing that out to me in a respectful way.

            I’m not an Obama supporter as much as I am anti-Romney. I read the article (link) posted by Captain Planet at the very bottom of this long chain and think it is an excellent summary of the strengths and weaknesses of both candidates. I think it interesting it was written by a British publication.

            All things are not black and white, but I think we want them to be because it would be so much easier that way. Let’s see if we can find commonalities we can agree on and build on that.

          • November 2, 2012 at 4:28 pm
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            Very well put Libby. Have a great weekend.

          • November 2, 2012 at 5:15 pm
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            You give Hillary too much credit Always. She is just as culpable as the President on this Benghazi tragedy. She has been doling out our money to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and elsewhere as Secretary of State. If you remember when she was running for President, she described herself as a modern Progressive. Progressive are the very people that have gotten this country into all the trouble we are in now. She also has plenty of skeletons in her closet when she was first lady. Remember Travelgate, Whitewater, Hillarycare? She blamed the scandal on the vast right wing conspiracy when Willie got into trouble. Oops! The blue dress showed up and shot that theory down. She stayed married so she could further her political career and that didn’t work out so now she has to fall on her sword for Obama and she is finished as a force in politics. If the facts come out as they should, she may even face some jail time for her failing to protect her Ambassador and the Seals.

  • October 30, 2012 at 3:34 pm
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    Normally I do not comment twice, but I feel I must. There is a reason we have the best health care in the world. We have a system where doctors and providers can work for themselves. They can profit and be happy which benefits us. Take away profit and happiness and you have subservience and misery. Just look at other nations. I have seen firsthand doctors, nurses and hospitals that work for the state. There heart is not into their profession. That is why everyone who have the means and needs medical care comes here and hardly anywhere else!!! Come on people, all of us love the fact we can work and profit. Why not them?

    • October 30, 2012 at 3:40 pm
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      Lou – where did you get the idea that profit is going to be taken away from the medical profession? Is that just some crap you heard from a Republican?

      And since when do doctors work for the state in the U.S.? It simply isn’t true now or in the near future.

      We already have subserviance and misery. Look around you. The 1% is making sure we are subserviant. I don’t know about you, but I’m amongst the 99%. We could make a difference if we came together against the 1%, but the propaganda they spew )using their billions) keeps the uninformed happy to march along like little toy soldiers.

      WAKE UP!!!

      • November 1, 2012 at 9:33 am
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        Doctors do basically already work for the state, they are for all intents and purposes state employees. Governement contributes 50% of all health care dollars and around 40% come from third party contributers that are also heavy regulated. I don’t think its a secret that fed-ex and UPS do a better job than the post office, its becuase one is paid for personally and the other is paid through taxes.

        Also as far as the 1%, your buddy Barack and your enemy Romney are both bought and sold for by thoes 1%ers. So either way by supporting one of them your getting screwed by propaganda IMHO.

        • November 1, 2012 at 9:41 am
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          Fed-Ex and UPS cost 20 times what the post office does. To mail an overnight letter out of state is $54. To mail it 3 day (which is about as fast as the Post Office) is over $10. The post office does it for 45 cents. So while they may not be as “efficient”, they do the job reasonably well for the money.

          • November 1, 2012 at 1:35 pm
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            You kind of skirted my points a bit and went straight after my analogy there. I am not looking for a debate on the pros and cons of the post office vs. private options. Although I do think you get what you pay for in that case and most other cases when it comes to govt services. Which leads me back to my point that healthcare already for all intents and purposes is a government service which I believe is the biggest reason the industry is a mess.

          • November 1, 2012 at 1:39 pm
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            I only built on your analogy by showing for the money, the post office actually does a great job. Do you use UPS or Fed-Ex for your personal mail?

            There is no question the government could run more efficiently. My point is there are plenty of things they do that individuals, for the most part, can’t do themselves. Monitor air travel, build infrastructures, etc.

            There is place for private enterprise and a place for government. Each has a purpose.

            I also do not necessarily agree with your broad brush statement that the health industry is currently run by the government. It’s regulated, but not run. And under Obamacare, the exchanges will be set up and monitored by the state, but the coverage will be underwritten by individual carriers.

            Whether or not the plan is sustainable as written is a whole other question. We just don’t know yet.

          • November 1, 2012 at 2:09 pm
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            I almost never use mail anymore as everything can be done online but when I do mail things I always use Fed-Ex, unless it is work related/from my office where I have no options other than the post office. But I know that is not the norm, and I don’t disagree governemnt has a place but I am a firm beleiver that its place should always be the very very very last resort. I don’t see why air travel can’t be done by a private company, or build roads, or infrastructer. If anything it will have more accountablitiy and be done more efficently(I could go on for days about how I think the roads here are terribly run/built lol). I know it will cost more but wasn’t the whole stimulus package about spending more anyway? Why not make it private spending rather than public? (which reminds me that GDP, the way it is calculated, is a joke. But that a whole other arguement)

            I can see that we just fundamentally disagree about the healthcare industry and that is fine, although most who disagree resort to name calling, it is not hard to see all sides (i hate just saying both sides) has legit points and that they will just always disagree on a few foundations which spurs these out of control arguements lol. I just have my own side which I think is best. My father is a doctor and he is so fed up with the over regualtions that I am working with him now to set up a practice that doesn’t accept medicare. And I am not even really talking about Obamacare and what changes that will bring to the industry although I don’t see how it will help very much with the overregulation. However I can see your points on how the govenrment provides service when needed but I respectively disagree. I think that more private industry responsibilities/less regulations would benefit us.

          • November 1, 2012 at 2:22 pm
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            I respect your opinion. We do get a little riled up on here. I am such a minority, it’s hard not to feel ganged up on and get defensive. I will try to control my outbursts and not resort to name calling even when it is done to me.

            Thanks for the perspective.

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            Thanks for your perspective as well!

  • October 30, 2012 at 3:43 pm
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    Libby, do you know who George Soros is?

    • October 30, 2012 at 3:45 pm
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      Yes. What’s your point?

      • October 30, 2012 at 3:48 pm
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        Do your research about George Soros and find out!

        • October 30, 2012 at 3:51 pm
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          I don’t need to research him to find out. Again, I will ask. What’s your point? If you have one.

  • October 30, 2012 at 3:52 pm
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    What I have described is what Obama and Reid have already indicated. They cannot institute single payer right away, so this is their answer. They have told their supporters single payer is coming, but it will take 10 or 15 years to get there. What I outlined previously is how they will do it. If don’t believe do some research, and also really read the bill. I did.

    • October 30, 2012 at 3:54 pm
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      I’m not sure I believe, but also am not sure it’s not a bad idea.

  • October 30, 2012 at 3:52 pm
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    Well said Taxpayer — BUT… you forgot to include “take home pay” to get the message across, forgot the “we can’t afford 4 more years”, AND YOU FORGOT BENGHAZI!!!! NEVER let that go! Just turn on Fox News at any time and see 50-day-old footage of a burning Embassy and DEMAND that we be included in National Security memos! The government lied! Who cares if we have never heard of Benghazi before Fox News, Rush and O’Reilly turned it into a political football? We are outraged that 4 Americans died and we weren’t told of the facts as they were unfolding! Impeach the President! Hmmm…I wonder if we look and sound stupid that we have never had an issue of Americans dying in the Middle East until now? Maybe it’s because those were U.S. soldiers and part of the 47% that rely on the government for hand-outs? Well anyways, back to pushing Benghazi…

  • October 30, 2012 at 4:04 pm
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    I’d love the option for single-payer. I’ve been calling for it for years. I hope your conspriacy is right, Lou. I, too, have read the bill (twice) and there is no evidence of single-payer being an inevitability. But, thanks for trying out!

    Oh, and be afraid of George Soros, Glenn Beck says to be. You know, those Jewish investors…awfully scary!

    • October 30, 2012 at 4:09 pm
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      Yeah. George Soros with his measly $7B against the $100B Koch Bros. We should be very scared of him.

      • October 31, 2012 at 2:39 pm
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        Yeah. Be afraid of any millionaire/billionaire that worked hard for their money. Where’s the distain for Obama himself? Do you think he’s poor? Do you think he doesn’t have a portfolio or investements in China?? Do you think Hilary, Nancy, A.H. Biden, and the other left wingers are poor? Why are all liberals haters of people who can say they went to work and earned their living? You are the ones that need to WAKE THE F*** UP! (said in my best Samuel L. Jackson voice…another hater….)

        • October 31, 2012 at 2:43 pm
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          We are not haters of the wealthy. It’s what those that are wealthy do with their wealth we hate. Wake the f**k up, yourself. You poor deluded darling. Do you think you will ever come close to the 1% or even the 10%? Just because you live in Fairfield County? Keep dreamin’. That’s what they want…

          • October 31, 2012 at 2:54 pm
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            Why is it your business what the wealthy do with their wealth??? It’s THEIRS do to with what they please!!!

          • October 31, 2012 at 2:59 pm
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            It figures you would say something like that. Ever go to Church, CT?

          • October 31, 2012 at 3:13 pm
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            OK…I must’ve hit my head one too many times trying to figure out your liberal drivel and what church has to do with this but I just cannot see the connection..just WTF are you getting at, Libby?

          • October 31, 2012 at 3:15 pm
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            And I am not surprised by your response. Why don’t you try responding to all the other questions I’ve asked that you can’t answer?

        • October 31, 2012 at 2:54 pm
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          Hey CT, I see you and Libby going after it again. Good. You are hot and she is not! By the way, did you see that the bailed out Chrysler Corp is going to build Jeeps in China? They can join GM over there and soon all American Auto operations will be outsourced by the Outsourcer in Chief if he is re-elected.

          • October 31, 2012 at 2:58 pm
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            I’d rather be smart, compassionate, and honest than “hot” Agent. And “hot” is in the eye of the beholder, and I’m doing just fine in that area.

          • October 31, 2012 at 3:15 pm
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            Wow, Agent…his crap just never ends! I did hear that Solyndra is getting bailed out (why–I will NEVER know..) but not Chrysler…just unbelievable.

          • October 31, 2012 at 5:39 pm
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            Yes CT, GM & Chrysler both got bailed out at the same time. It is interesting that Ford did not and they are doing much better than the other two. I saw a video of the current CEO of GM admitting that 7 out of every 10 GM vehicles were now made in China and they have 11 assembly plants over there. I will never buy another GM or Chrysler product again. My Toyota SUV was made in Tennessee by non-union workers who have very good jobs by the way. I wonder why GM’s stock continues to plummet with all the help they got. Oops! They are owned by the unions.

      • October 31, 2012 at 2:40 pm
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        Libby do your homework. Soros is worth $19B.

        • October 31, 2012 at 2:48 pm
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          If so, I stand corrected. Still a far cry from the Koch Bros., which was my point.

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    • October 31, 2012 at 6:40 pm
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      Captain:

      Obviously you don’t know insurance. You pay for claims with premiums. Non-used premiums are used to build captial. Capital is used for profit + payment of claims.

      Cutting the amount of each dollar that can go into investments for capital growth (from 30% to 20%) is making sure the health industry cannot build capital for claims.

      In order for a free market system to work, the companies have to be able to build capital. If you honestly believe the limiting in investments doesn’t hinder capital growth you’re a fool.

      Further:

      Undoubtedly the private insurance industry can pay more for health services than the government. The government should only get involved in certain areas, like possibly paying doctor visit deductibles. That’s about the only way they could encourage people to go in more.

      The government has the following equation: Taxed premiums minus costs = Your coverage. This means the government has a needed profit as a part of the system. You don’t like profit, but they need it to run.

      The health care industry has the following euqation: Premiums + (non paid premium capital growth) = Total payable for claims.

      If you are so ignorant to believe the government system could ever pay out more than private, you are lying to yourself.

  • October 30, 2012 at 4:23 pm
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    Please people remember this. Most of what the government does turns to dirt.

    • November 5, 2012 at 12:53 pm
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      As do we.

  • October 30, 2012 at 5:03 pm
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    Tell that to Gov. Christie right now.

  • October 30, 2012 at 5:12 pm
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    WOW. As we get closer to the election, the words get ugly. I’d like to see all covered by insurance. It would be great if everyone had a car with insurance and we had highways that did not need repairs. The issue here is not that I (can’t speak for others) hate BO care, but who is going to pay the bills. The article says as it promotes BOCare, that new young healthy people will add policies. It also says that they will be subsidized by the government. How does a government that is $16,trillion in debt cover 30 million new people? What is the tipping point for the dollar. Because the reality is that if and when we reach the tipping point, the hyper inflation will prevent all of us from paying and the government from giving us insurance.

    Some had posted about Romney’s flipflops. They are over a long period of time and in the past few years he’s maintained fairly steady. How about some real FlipFlops!

    “I’ll resign if I don’t cut the deficit in half by the end of four years.”
    “I will end Income Tax for seniors making less than $50K a year.”.
    I promise that I support traditional marriage-1 man-1 woman.
    “I promise 100% transparency in my administration.”.
    “I promise NO NEW TAXES on a family making less than $250K a year.”.
    “I will allow 5 days of public comment before I sign any bills.”.
    “I will remove earmarks from PORK projects before I sign any bill.”.
    “I will bring ALL of our troops home within ONE year.”
    “I’ll put the Health Care negotiations on CSPAN so everyone can see who is at the table!”.
    “I’ll have no lobbyists in my administration.”
    “I’ll close Guantanamo.”
    “I’ll unite the people of this great country.
    First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner.
    First President to preside over a cut to the credit-rating of the United States.
    First President to violate the War Powers Act..
    First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.
    First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party.
    First President to spend a trillion dollars on ‘shovel-ready’ jobs when there was no such thing as ‘shovel-ready’ jobs.
    First president to get a college grant as a foreign exchange student
    First president to have known affiliation with the Chicago based under ground

    If you question who said the above. A hint, his presidency will end on Jan 20, 2013….

    • October 30, 2012 at 5:15 pm
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      Well stated PM! However, some will NEVER believe you.

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    • October 31, 2012 at 9:29 am
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      I don’t care to get into an argument with you. I appreciate you taking the time to post a comment with many interesting points that have gotten me thinking. I just want to point out to you, as someone who went to and graduated from college, that EVERYONE who attends college will apply for every possible grant or scholarship they are possibly eligible for. I have a friend who is .00000008 Native American which made him eligible for pretty much a free ride in his home state of Oklahoma. Being blond haired and blue eyed and from a well to do family, he didn’t feel a need to pursue that path. I am a US citizen, my husband is from Ivory Coast. Our daughter was born in the US. I actually am greatful for your comments because I will definitely have her look into those grants when/if she plans to go to college. Thank you for the information!

    • October 31, 2012 at 1:12 pm
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      “First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner.” Yeah, Libbs – what about this one? What is your spin on any OF these???? Hummmm??

      • October 31, 2012 at 1:57 pm
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        As a responsible person, I will do my research and get back to you instead of taking everything on face value and jumping on the bandwagon like you.

        • October 31, 2012 at 6:45 pm
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          Libby:

          Republicans do not jump on band wagons. Think what you want, to be a republican you have to become one. This is not true of democrats. Most people just are democrats at a young age.

          Look at the numbers of youngin’s who are against racism, are tolerant of gays, etc.

          Your problem is your view of republicans is so ghastly wrong it’s absurd. Republicans switch with educated facts (except for a small minority of 33% of youth who are republican from a young age and are dumb as hell).

          And further: You don’t do your research. In our debate I showed that if you made less aggregate loans to people at poverty level, using CRA it is grounds for a suit. I showed you the rating.

          You don’t research your own facts, you listen to others state their facts. You aren’t a leader, you are a follower.

          When you learn not to be on a band wagon, you might get more respectful replies.

    • October 31, 2012 at 2:40 pm
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      Nicely written, PM!!!

  • October 30, 2012 at 5:13 pm
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    There will always be a 1%. Personally, I will take the 1% made up of rich people who will give me a job and the opportunity to get within at least the 10%. You can take the 1% that will be the tyrannical rulers. If you think that 1% will ever let you in, you’re wrong. They are the ones that want to be the “massahs” as you say. They’ll give you what they think you need and come down hard if you want to leave the plantation.

    • October 31, 2012 at 8:10 am
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      The 1% is not interested in giving jobs. They will slash jobs if it means a bigger profit to them. And you will NEVER be amongst the 10%. That is the fallicy that keeps the 99% chugging along on the plantation. If I work harder for the man, he’ll let me have a piece of the pie. Guess what? No pie for you.

  • October 30, 2012 at 5:41 pm
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    JoeB.

    As, I believe, Benjamin Franklin said, the government that can give you everything can also take it away. He or Thomas Jefferson also said that democracy’s last until the public realize they can vote in politicins that will give them what they want. As these two very scary predictions become reality in the USA, it makes you wonder what our future holds.

    • October 31, 2012 at 8:53 am
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      For all of you that would silence the vigorous debates on this blog, Thomas Jefferson says…

      “All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.”
      Thomas Jefferson

      On Corporate greed…

      “I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.”
      Thomas Jefferson

      On banks…

      “I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.”
      Thomas Jefferson

      • October 31, 2012 at 11:07 am
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        Libby, It is interesting that you quote Thomas Jefferson. He was actually a limited government guy which is what you are against. By the way, the silent majority is no longer silent when they see a tyrant in office. The first evidence was the mid terms of 2010 when they showed a number of Progressives the door (aka Shellacking) after putting up with the Stimulus which wasn’t a stimulus and Obamacare. They will speak again next Tuesday when they send a bunch more packing including your guy.

      • October 31, 2012 at 2:42 pm
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        How dare you quote an American President when you are an America hater.

        • October 31, 2012 at 2:44 pm
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          Shut the hell up, CT. I love this country as much as anybody.

          • October 31, 2012 at 2:55 pm
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          • October 31, 2012 at 3:00 pm
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            Yeah, you got under my skin. You’re disgraceful.

          • October 31, 2012 at 3:29 pm
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            CT, Libby has a different kind of love for the country than we do. She is obviously fond of the statement from her leader that “We live in the best country in the world”. “Join me so we can change it”. The only thing he has done is make it much worse than 4 years ago. I do give him credit where credit is due. His brand of Progressive Socialism has done great harm to the country and we are well on our way to Chavez style Dictatorship if the country does not change course. By the way, I hope you escaped damage from the storm up there in CT. I bet you will still have numerous claims to handle. Their goes the Contingency.

          • October 31, 2012 at 3:43 pm
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            Agent, my patriotism is no different than yours. I know you continue this barrage because you know it angers me. If it didn’t, that would prove I am un-American. How dare you make such a hateful, derogatory remark about me. Just who do and your “hot” CT think you are? It just shows the arrogance and total rudeness of the both of you.

            You should be ashamed for that comment.

        • October 31, 2012 at 2:55 pm
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          To question one’s patriotism because they don’t agree with your politics is like a slap in the face. You’re rude and downright disrespectful to say such a disgraceful thing to me. How dare you.

          • October 31, 2012 at 3:25 pm
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            Oh, please Libby. Wipe the snot off your nose and quit your whining. I question your patriotism because you prove time and again that you don’t have any. Socialists aren’t patriotic and their allegiance is to the government, not to the good of the people. I am proud to be the capitalist that I am and will continue to make my monetary donations, volunteer my time, etc., than ever give in to a government that is not for ‘me’.

          • October 31, 2012 at 3:40 pm
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            I am not whining, you arrogant snob. I’m pissed off. And you would be too if I questioned your patriotism.

            I am not a socialist, and even if I am, my rights as an America allow me to be one.

            Continue to be proud to be a capitalist. It’s all that is wrong with this country and people like you.

          • October 31, 2012 at 3:52 pm
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            You’ve missed the point but TOTALLY made mine for me! You cannot be a true, patriotic AMERICAN if you are a SOCIALIST!

          • October 31, 2012 at 3:53 pm
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            Libby, I know you won’t see this on the Huffington Post, but a new report is out on MichelleMalkin.com that many large employers are having to lay off workers due to the cost of Obamacare and all the new taxes. Dana Corporation, employing 20,000+ workers is cutting way back. It also cites all the Coal Mines/plants being closed down by EPA. The people of West Virginia are pleading with Romney to save their jobs. When Sequestration is implemented in January, 700,000 more in the Defense Industry will lose their jobs. Obama didn’t want them to notify employees until after the election. If all this comes to pass, your bogus 7.8% unemployment rate will be over 10%. This isn’t the way to recover the economy, is it? I know Economics is not your strong suit so I don’t expect you to understand this bad news.

          • October 31, 2012 at 4:03 pm
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            First of all, CT. This is the last time I will defend myself against your hatred. I am not a socialist. I said IF I was one, I am free, as an American, to be one. Just as you are free to be a hateful, war mongering, greedy, prejudiced Republican.

            Nuff said.

          • October 31, 2012 at 4:04 pm
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            And Agent, insulting me will get you nowhere. I am not an economist and have never pretended to be. The fact that you keep trying to insult me by reiterating what I have already said is facetious and redundant.

            But thanks for trying out. ;-)

      • October 31, 2012 at 3:50 pm
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        Benjamin Franklin..

        “Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.”
        (sound familiar?)

        Benjamin Franklin:
        “The greatest calamity which could befall us would be submission to a government of unlimited powers.” (Sound familiar?)

        Thomas Jefferson:
        “If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny.”

        ‘NUFF SAID!!

        • October 31, 2012 at 4:17 pm
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          How about this CT? A little rebellion now and then is a good thing. – Thomas Jefferson. The Tree of Liberty must from time to time be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is natural manure -Thomas Jefferson. The Laws of self preservation of saving our country when in danger are of higher obligation – Thomas Jefferson

          Jefferson was the most brilliant of the founding fathers. Our country is in danger and we have the obligation to save it from the radicals who are in power now.

        • October 31, 2012 at 4:20 pm
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          CT, Libby really believes that government knows what she needs more than she does. Otherwise she could not support Barry Soerto or whatever his real name is :) It’s okay if he wields his power over her because he is such a good president.

  • October 30, 2012 at 10:40 pm
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    Well said PM. I will add a couple of Obama promises to your list.

    “We will use American resources to stabilize US energy needs including gasoline prices while we seek new alternatives”. I guess that means windmills made in China and bankrupt solar companies. Forget about oil resources and coal.

    ” I will be the president of all Americans not just those who voted fo me” Well, enough said about that.

    As far as Benghazi, it was a cluster **ck. You had some very brave seals fight off ever incraesing numbers for 7 hours while our ( The Liar in Chief) President went to bed. There were military resources an hour away. He got up the next morning and blamed it on a spontaneous riot caused by a video. Really, I guess those RPGs and heavy assault weapons combined with the fact that it was on 9/11 was just a coincidence? Then over the next 2 to 3 weeks he referenced the video 23 times including no less than 6 times in front of the United Nations on Spetember 23rd. Then he stands up in a debate and manipulates what he said on day 2 (essentially lying) in front of the country. I blame Obama, Clinton and Patraeous for this shameful loss of American life. It is no wonder that the majority of those serving in the military have no respect for Obama or Clinton. Those soldiers died fighting to save Americans and I understand they saved several. God bless them and their families. If that does not cause you to vote them out of office next week then I guess nothing will.

    • October 31, 2012 at 8:58 am
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      • October 31, 2012 at 8:59 am
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        That’s “not” bad intelligence before a press conference.

        • October 31, 2012 at 10:08 am
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          What press conference are your talking about? This President has not had a press conference in months and will not have one to answer questions on his handling of the Benghazi tragedy. Why did he fly off to Vegas the next day for fundraising and put out the bogus story for 6 weeks? Why did he have Gen Ham arrested and fired for trying to rescue the Ambassador when we had forces an hour away? If you are watching a live stream from a drone for 6 hours watching Americans die, how much more intelligence do you need to take action? Our Special Forces could have taken care of these Terrorists in about 5 minutes and had our people on a helicopter to safety. You can’t spin your way out of this Libby and neither can your President.

          • October 31, 2012 at 10:18 am
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            This is a little off subject but everyone needs to see how this president is protected by the media, celebrities, Facebook, etc. please vist http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/10/30/Facebook-Censors-Navy-SEALS-To-Protect-Obama-on-Benghazi-Gate. If you have a FB account, close it down. They have censored the Navy Seals in an effort to protect Obama. No progressive, koolaid drinking liberal wants the general public to know what happened at Benghazi. If they did it would cost him thousands of votes. Shame on all of the liberals.

          • October 31, 2012 at 11:47 am
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            OK Agemt. I know how you love to spew propaganda, but if you want the truth here it is:

            “A team of American military commandos was sent from Europe to an airfield at Sigonella, in Sicily, Italy, putting them at least an hour’s flight away from Benghazi… But U.S. officials say it did not arrive in Sicily until after the attack was over.”

            “An audio feed of the attack was being monitored in real time in Washington by diplomatic security official Charlene Lamb. CBS News has learned that video of the assault was recovered 20 days later from the more than 10 security cameras at the compound.”

            The President was not watching the attack real time, as there was no such video available at that time. Help was dispatched, but it didn’t make it there in time.

            And the press conference I am referring to is the one Romney stuck his foot in his mouth about during the debate.

            Now, what other useless fodder do I need to fact check now that we got that straight?

          • October 31, 2012 at 11:48 am
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            Oh, and I know you will refute my facts, so I will post the source. Which you will also refute.

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-womack/obama-benghazi-attack_b_2022093.html

    • October 31, 2012 at 9:53 am
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      Hi Sargent. Sorry about what happened to your Tigers. I think it may have been a combination of a long layoff and meeting a hot team who could do no wrong. I am glad the Tigers re-hired Leyland. I respect hims as a manager. Perhaps next year.

      Have you noticed that the nastiest comments on this forum come from the Progressive side? They cannot defend the indefensable so they make nasty remarks and go right back to blaming Bush. I think they are paranoid when they see their guy losing the election so their venom spews on any subject. For any step Libby takes toward our viewpoints, she takes 5 steps backward into the morass of Progressive thought.

      • October 31, 2012 at 11:35 am
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        So it’s a nasty comment when I criticize Bush, but not when you criticize Obama? Typical coming from you.

  • October 31, 2012 at 10:12 am
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    Libby, stop it, you are disrupting the narrative again. The narrative is, Obama is evil and was actually watching Americans die in real time. And, if you actually believe that, I have both some magic underpants to sell you AND a story concerning how Bush knew about and helped orchestrate the planes crashing into the Twin Towers. Besides, President Obama isn’t even a United States citizen. That, and he is both a radical Christian and a Muslim (who drinks beer and eats pork, by the way), he is both a spineless empty suit puppet but also a forceful dictator, he is a socialist but he bows down to Wall Street, do I need to go on? I mean, just how much spaghetti did The Right originally throw on the wall, anyhow? Complete insanity. Or, as I like to call it, complete Sean Ins-Hannity. What will they “drudge” up next? Maybe we can get some more edited Fox of Breitbart footage. Or, maybe Mitt will just keep lying about The President like he did with Jeep just earlier this week. Or, about anything that comes out of his mouth for that matter. He is, indeed, a bullsh!tter.

    • October 31, 2012 at 11:20 am
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      Planet, do you see now why many in this forum think you are from a different Planet? Do you see why many think you need a frontal lobotomy to erase all this Progressive nonsense you put out? You must be kin to Rosanne Barr to believe Bush orchestrated the twin towers Terrorist attack. Many of the things you rail about are all over the internet and have been proven true. If they are not, why doesn’t he hold a press conference and clear it all up on Libya on why they failed to protect American citizens in harms way or why they arrested and fired Gen Ham for trying to rescue the Ambassador and Seals? I know it is more important that he rescue Big Bird, but inquiring minds would like to know.

      • October 31, 2012 at 11:22 am
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        Agent – Wish I could “like” this one about 1,000 times.

      • October 31, 2012 at 11:49 am
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        Agent, I don’t think so. I said I would sell you a story like I would magic underpants. It’s called sarcasm. I’m not a truther. Learn to read.

        • October 31, 2012 at 12:15 pm
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          Hence the beginning of the statement, “If you believe that…” Let me be perfectly clear, I do NOT think Bush orchestrated the attack, nor had anything to do with it. I also do believe The President is a United States citizen. I also believe Lindsay Lohan is endorsing the wrong candidate and I will not be voting with that bimbo.

          Hilarious statement from you, Agent – “…are all over the internet and have been proven true.” Wow, Agent! Wow! Gotta love that internet…the fountain of truth.

          • October 31, 2012 at 12:20 pm
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            Don’t waste your breath Captain. You’re talking to a walking dinosauer with Agent.

          • October 31, 2012 at 12:20 pm
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            dinosaur

          • October 31, 2012 at 5:26 pm
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            Planet, How many times have we heard this President say…Let me be perfectly clear and it end up being the opposite of what he said. The water has been very muddy for the last 4 years and we have had enough of the doublespeak of this President and his administration. We have found over and over that whatever he says means just the opposite, hence our overwhelming distrust. He can’t come clean on anything and Benghazi is the latest example. We are now calling him on the carpet and he doesn’t like it. Early retirement is looking good right now.

        • October 31, 2012 at 4:21 pm
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          I learned how to read your comments a long time ago Planet. You like to parse words to make your Progressive case which is non-existent. Then, I have a good laugh when you say you love to go to Wrigley Field to see your Bulls play. You couldn’t spin your way out of that one. In your alternate universe mind, you aren’t playing with a full deck.

          • October 31, 2012 at 7:52 pm
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            Whatever Agent – ask me any question about the Chicago Bulls and I don’t care if you go back to the 60′s. Make it something I can’t look up. I’m especially good at MJ history. And, I got to actually meet Dennis Rodman during the last Grant Park Celebration at his bar when he told everyone there, “This isn’t a f_cking family affair.” You wouldn’t know that unless you were there.

      • October 31, 2012 at 12:15 pm
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        Agent, you are absurd. We are not the wild, wild west anymore. An investigation is on-going. But you, in your little Texas hicktown, have all the answers and know what happened when, not only weren’t you there, you have no idea what you’re talking about. General Ham was not fired, so calm down on that front as well.

        You are no match for Captain, with his wit and sarcasm. As he says, thanks for trying out. I say – Quit trying.

        • October 31, 2012 at 6:52 pm
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            I’m sure he doesn’t watch FoxNews, Bob.

        • October 31, 2012 at 6:53 pm
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          Libby:

          If you didn’t catch the sarcasm in my “fox news” comment the idea there was if Fox News had the name accurately day one (considering how much they mess up) Obama would have heard the name day one.

        • November 1, 2012 at 12:09 pm
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          Libby:

          I am very sure that he knows how to read. Fox news read the report. Maybe Obama should as well.

          I’m very sure the president knows how to find something that took me ten minutes to research.

          Do you deny that Abu Sufirian was a Gitmo detainee?

          Do you deny that Obama released 5 just before the attack this year?

          Do you deny he promised to release 55 just following?

          He knows. He’s paying attention to Gitmo. And I’m sure he does watch Fox news.

          Or did you miss that he specifically banned them from coming to a press conference some time back, and then insulted them in public stating they were a dishonest company.

          I’m sure he had to watch them to make that statement.

          Moron.

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            They are dishonest, moron.

        • November 1, 2012 at 1:10 pm
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          Libby:

          First of all: No. They aren’t. They are sometimes wrong though.

          Question the methodology not the source. Abu was the attacker. Whether or not it was Fox that said it first. It’s to Fox’s credit that they had it first. So give the damn credit.

          Regardless this post wasn’t about Fox. It was about Obama.

          Obama knew the name of the attacker, and thus knew it was not due to a “video” that we were attacked. How did he find a video, before he looked at the name of the attacker on the report?

        • November 1, 2012 at 1:12 pm
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          I mean really,

          Did he hear there was an attack, on a 9/11 anniversary, and then just go “oh my, I better check youtube for the facts!”

          He checks youtube but not the details of the attack listing Abu.

          • November 1, 2012 at 1:19 pm
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            I’m not defending his response. I’ve said it was wrong and still got thumbed-down.

            What I’m trying to say is, let the investigation into what happened be complete before calling for him impeachment. He definitely made a mistake, or intentially mis-led us, or got bad intelligence – take your pick. Those that are anit-Obama will say he out-and-out lied. Maybe he did. My point is, I don’t know. Yet.

            When we do find out, let’s make sure any wrongdoers, including Obama if that’s the case, are punished and let’s correct whatever went wrong so that it doesn’t happen again.

            I will not accept what’s being said about him intetionally setting the people up to be killed over there. That defies even your logic.

        • November 1, 2012 at 3:42 pm
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          It’s more than a mistake. He lied. He still has not said that Gitmo Detainee had anything to do with it. He called him a consulate for the U.S. just following the attack.

          He didn’t even say the man was in question.

          He’s hiding the fact that a Gitmo Detainee is very likely involved, mainly because he released 5 gitmo detainees in March/April, and promised to release 55 more just after the attack.

          This is more than a slip up.

          This is very clearly him trying to play the side of “those poor gitmo detainees, I’m letting them go and shutting down the ineffective gitmo” while simultaneously not suffering the bad publicity of what happens when Gitmo Detainees are let go.

          We are talking about known terrorists being held in Gitmo being called a bad thing. That’s how he ran.

          Water boarding led to Osama’s killer. Before CNN backtracked and said Waterboarding had nothing to do with it, nor Abu, (different Abu) they said it likely was abu (see slip up here http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/03/bin.laden.courier/index.html)

          Then they said it only may have been him. Technically true.

          Then they said it wasn’t the waterboarding.

          But wait, that man was held in prison since the early 2000′s, was tortured in 2007, and that’s the same year the info came out. But no no, it wasn’t the waterboarding was CNN’s argument. My question: Then what the hell was it? Half a decade of not being tortured didn’t break him. 1 year of torture did.

          If Obama had his way, that man would have been let go.

          He campaigned against Gitmo. Gitmo got Osama, Obama then championed the capture as if he was for the policies that got Osama. Let me be clear: If there were no Gitmo, there would be no Osama death.

          He let go of Gitmo Detainees. He’s playing all sides.

          He knew about Abu (Sufirian this time, not the one that led to Osama) being a suspect. All he had to say was Abu was a suspect for God’s sakes. Instead he found another source to take the heat off himself, a Youtube video. It was a Gitmo detainee suspect as he announced releasing the rest of the detainees and closing down Gitmo. You really think he wanted people knowing a Gitmo Detainee was a suspect?

          This was not a mistake. This was a cover up and politics to save his ass in the campaign. Learn the difference.

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            I assume you are talking about Abu Sufian bin Qumu. If so, he was not released by Obama, he was released by Bush.

            “Qumu was held in the U.S. military’s Guantanamo Bay detention camp in Cuba until the Bush administration released him to Libya Sept. 28, 2007, on the condition Libya keep him in jail.

            The regime of leader Moammar Gadhafi later freed him from Tripoli’s notorious Abu Salim prison in an amnesty program as part of a reconciliation effort with Islamists.”

            Why do you have to be so condescending with your “Learn the difference” remark?

            It appears you know no more about what happened in Benghazi than anyone else does right now. But that doesn’t stop you from getting on your “Obama Lied” soapbox. Just because you say it, doesn’t make it true.

        • November 1, 2012 at 3:47 pm
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          I also feel the need to state he is still denying Abu is even a suspect.

          So he’s still making a mistake over a month later libby?

          You will find sources trying to state that Abu Sufurian had nothing to do with it. Liberal ones.

          But if anyone thinks he did, and he was in the area, he is a suspect. And he should not be called a U.S. ally. He should be investigated, and we should know about it.

          Obama has still not stated the man was even considered as a suspect. He is very likely the guy, despite what liberal sources say.

          Regardless, a mistake is temporary. He is still not putting out there that Abu is a suspect, solely to play all sides and save his gitmo closing ass.

          • November 1, 2012 at 3:54 pm
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            Maybe he’s just trying to responsible, unlike others on this blog, and wait for the facts before he blurts out any more information. He is not given the benefit of the doubt by you.

    • October 31, 2012 at 12:01 pm
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      I’m interested in those magic underpants.

  • October 31, 2012 at 11:35 am
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    Hello Agent-
    Yes, my poor Tigers hammered the Yankees and got hammered by the Giants. Really the Tigers played like the Tigers have all year. Flashes of brilliance and at other times bad with some good play in between. I think they just hit it right for the Yankees and that was it, all of the sudden the went into a slump. The layoff did not help but they played like this all year.

  • October 31, 2012 at 11:48 am
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    Here is what we actually know about Benghazi. Not trying to hide anything. Nor is The President, which is why there is an ONGOING INVESTIGATION, people!
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/benghazi.asp

    What’s worse is trying to make this into the October Surprise so you can get your man, BullshMitter, elected because the voter suppression thing isn’t working out so well. Let the investigation happen. If it is found someone was doing something criminal, then try that/those person(s). Or, are people with a ‘D’ next to their name guilty until proven innocent?

    • October 31, 2012 at 11:53 am
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      Planet, everyone knows that Snopes is on board with the liberal agenda. Someone earlier said something about research…you need to do that for yourself and shuck off that shell that seems to deflect reason and truth. No October surprise…most Americans just want to know why the Commander In Chief didn’t protect his citizens. Even CBS is on board with the truth about Benghazi.

      • October 31, 2012 at 12:11 pm
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        Perplexed – every source that is cited by Captain or myself is always “discredited” by the right-wingers on this blog. As far as using reason and truth – that is something sorely lacking on their part, as well.

        Does it make sense that ANYONE, let alone the President of the United States 8 weeks prior to the election, would sit by and watch innocent American soldiers and diplomats, not to mention Libyan soldiers and civilians, be slaughtered and do nothing about it? And then try to LIE about it? The answer is NO!

        Mistakes were made, that is for sure. Where and who is yet to be determined. So quit jumping the gun, climb off of the propaganda train, and join reality.

        There is nobody that wanted this tragedy to happen, but it did. Now let’s do the investigation, bring to justice any wrongdoers, and fix what went wrong. Making a political circus out of it is wrong.

        • October 31, 2012 at 6:56 pm
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          Libby:

          It makes perfect sense if he was trying to cater to a crowd he promised to close down Gitmo, and had released gitmo detainees before a Gitmo detainee attacked and killed our people.

          I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t want people to be listening in on his having let go of those detainees.

          Does it make any sense that a POTUS wouldn’t know the name of the attacker, and wouldn’t know the attacker was a gitmo detainee? Maybe it was a video though libby, not that ex gitmo Al Quieda detainee Abu. That guy, we couldn’t have known he was still Al Quieda! Maybe he had a change of heart since 2007 and killed the Ambassador because he know follows Mickey Mouse.

        • October 31, 2012 at 6:59 pm
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          Libby:

          Side comment: We don’t discredit your sources (not me) I discredit your methodology.

          Methodology matters, not sources. It doesn’t matter who says 2 times 2 is 4. It matters that it is the right equation.

          As an example: WHO as I have mentioned before didn’t account for infant mortality rates in their report differing between countries, didn’t adjust for our accident and homicide rates, and pulling those out we have the highest life expectancy in the world, while simultaneously having the worst living habits.

          But yeah, our health care is “36th” in the world.

    • October 31, 2012 at 12:02 pm
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      Yes, Captain, we are Damnedacrat.

    • October 31, 2012 at 12:11 pm
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      Ha! Ha! Ha! Planet. Your brain needs some serious surgery if you believe this President is not trying to hide anything. What has it been now, over 6 weeks and he is saying the investigation is ongoing? If this is true, everyone else that has been paying attention knows more than he does. There are reports I have seen of him meeting with Penetta & Clinton within hours of the start of the attack. I guess they were formulating their plan to say it was the video that caused the problem. You know what, Nixon had his issues with Watergate and lying about what went down and it caused his impeachment and no one got killed in that political mess. Obama thinks by saying they have an ongoing investigation, he can ride it out until after the election. If he were a real leader, he would have convened the National Security Council, ordered the rescue before we lost American lives and brought these people home alive instead of in caskets. Instead, he went to bed and then got on AF1 and went to Vegas to raise funds the next day while he had his minions lying for weeks. Hillary even told the father of one of the SEALs that she would have the video maker arrested. Considering the facts that came out later, her reputation is tarnished forever and frankly I am surprised she fell on her sword for this President.

  • October 31, 2012 at 11:49 am
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    Agent, yes, I have noticed the comments. It is interesting that they have nothing to say about the issue and try to come up with some inaccurate excuse that generally has nothing to do with what the issue really is. So libby comments that Bush sent troops to Iraq for bad intell. Well, that intell went before congress and all of the Congressional Reps, but 1, agreed to send troops including Senator Clinton. And Oh by the way, I guess Saddam Hussein who was a huge promoter of Terrorist training in Iraq don’t count. lastly, she must have forgotten that Barry Obama not only did not end the war with Iraq in a year (like he promised) but escalated the war in Afghanistan and started a third with Libiya. So, sending troops in harms way is not a problem for Barry. He sleeps well at night.

    • October 31, 2012 at 12:05 pm
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      • October 31, 2012 at 12:30 pm
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        Libby, I can promise you one thing. I will not get any facts from leftist web sites, MSNBC, CBS,ABC or CNN to get information since they have a commitment to disinformation and supporting your guy. My brain works just fine and you and Planet have drank so much liberal Koolaid, you just swallow what the Information Ministry feeds you hook, line and sinker. All your guy has to do is hold a Press Conference and answer the tough questions for a change about how he and his minions screwed up and didn’t save our people from Islamic Terrorists. Instead, he would rather save Big Bird from Romney’s cut backs. Your side is losing this argument and you just can’t stand it. Sargent and I have both been in the Military and we know their capability. This should never have happened on any President’s watch when there was time to save them.

        • October 31, 2012 at 12:38 pm
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          I’m sure once he knows exactly what happened there will be a press conference. He already made one mistake going on record about the video being the cause of the attack. He’s not going to jump the gun and rush to judgement again. He has taken responsibility for the attack and any mistakes that may have been made. He’ll wait until he has all the answers and then he will present the facts. Until then, he is doing the right thing.

          I agree, your guy has gained momentum. Can I stand it? Yes, but I don’t like it. I, unlike you, do not feel a need to jump up and down and call the election a foregone conclusion. I am willing to wait until next Tuesday to see how it all shakes out.

          I want Obama to win, but it will not be the end of the status quo if he doesn’t. The rich will continue to get richer on the backs of the working people. They’ll just be able to do it quicker with their guy behind them. Actually, it might hurry up the revolt that is at hand. The poor and downtrodden will not put up with the wealthy taking everything and leaving nothing for others for much longer.

          • October 31, 2012 at 1:05 pm
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            Libby, everyone seems to know the facts except you, Planet and your President. Do you really think that after 6 weeks, this Administration doesn’t know what went down? Coverups and lies do not make it with the American People. Obama has painted himself into a corner on this whopper and just hopes he can delay saying anything until after the election and the folks won’t press him on it. A real President would have admitted to mistakes in judgment that resulted in the deaths of innocent Americans and would have shown compassion for the families of the victims. We are outraged that you continue to defend this man as doing the right thing.

        • October 31, 2012 at 2:07 pm
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          “Agent says:

          Libby, I can promise you one thing. I will not get any facts from leftist web sites, MSNBC, CBS,ABC or CNN to get information since they have a commitment to disinformation and supporting your guy.”

          We feel the same way about Fox, Rush, Glen Beck etc.

  • October 31, 2012 at 12:05 pm
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    Repealing is an over reaction and will do nothing more than inflict “poison pill” effects and really muck up the situation. Improvements, like tort reform, should be on the agenda. It’s not perfect but it can be improved. Let’s start working together people.

    • October 31, 2012 at 12:19 pm
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      Amen, D!

    • October 31, 2012 at 12:21 pm
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      D, If we take out about 2,600 pages of this disaster, institute real tort reform, take out all the new taxes that will be imposed on the Middle Class, take out the $716 Billion that is slated to be raided from Medicare, I would agree to leaving coverage in for the age 26 failure to launch crowd and create the exchanges for the PreX’s to find coverage. We actually have to have bi-partisan support for this instead of a government saying it is our way or the highway. At least Romney got some things done in Massachusetts with a heavy Democratic majority there. This President wanted none of that and he had super majorities in Congress and still had a lot of trouble getting it passed. Is it any wonder that we have so much angst in our society right now about this government and what they have done the past 4 years. It is time for a fresh start.

      • October 31, 2012 at 12:24 pm
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        • October 31, 2012 at 12:30 pm
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          Libby, you are so uncivil. Make fun of Texans and the South if you will, but we don’t drop to your level often, or ever. Most of us were taught manners.

          • October 31, 2012 at 6:15 pm
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            Astounded, We also say in Texas…. Don’t mess with Texas. We also say … Remember the Alamo. This administration has been messing with us and we don’t like it one bit. They think we are a bunch of hicks down here clinging to our guns and religion. I was proud of Attorney General Abbott who told the UN election observers that if they interfered in any way with this election, he would have them arrested. The UN has no business monitoring our election. They should vacate their headquarters and move it to Trippoli or Benghazi where they would be more welcome. They don’t pay their parking tickets in NY anyway.

  • October 31, 2012 at 12:31 pm
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    Libby said- “you and Agent would do a little research before just regurgitating the crap you hear on the internet and Fox News.”

    Libby, you are a joke- You talk about Fox News and the internet and You get your “facts” from the Huffington Post and snopes. Well last I checked that was the internet. You even list the web address in your post above. Remember the internet? It was invented by Al Gore, right? I guess you read a lot of fairy tales as well. You are the one who can’t hear, don’t address the issues and make excuses. 3 wars on Obama and a lot of dead soldiers are his responsibility. Not to menton fast and furious. Remember that? That was when the administration sold guns to mexican drug dealers who used them to kill U.S Border Patrol agents. Obama has no respect from the armed services and should be voted out in November.

    Yep, God gave me a brain but I sure don’t need one to debate with you.

    • October 31, 2012 at 12:45 pm
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      My father, a Colonel by the way, taught me that the men and women in the Armed Forces ALWAYS stand behind their Commander-in-Chief. He did that with all our Presidents, even though he was a registered Republican.

      He was also a graduate of West Point with a masters in public government. He could teach you alot about respect for the Commander-in-Chief if he were still here. Instead, he gave his life for this country and my right to say what I believe. I am proud of my father, as he was a hero, and as a military man he would never the say the kinds of things you say about our President out of respect for his rank.

      • October 31, 2012 at 12:54 pm
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        Libby, We have never had a Commander In Chief with such reckless disregard for what is happening in this world. Everyone with any sense realizes that Mubarak was not a nice person, but he was a major part of the reason the Middle East remained somewhat stable, and he was definitely our ally and even Israel’s ally. Obama supported his overthrow because he is either clueless about foreign affairs and how to keep the peace or he leans towards supporting the muslims of this world. He doesn’t deserve the respect that you so sorely want to give him. He is the worst thing that could have ever happened to this country. He doesn’t even consider Russia a threat and joked when Romney mentioned it. He is CLUELESS when it comes to foreign policy. Strong mililtary makes for peace, but he wants to defund and he has said publically over and over again that he isn’t funding the military becuase they haven’t asked for the funds. Damn, he is the Commander In Chief! They shouldn’t have to request funding, he should be smart enough to know that a strong military keeps the peace!!!!

        • October 31, 2012 at 3:19 pm
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          Astounded, I am civil to those that are civil to me. I, too, grew up in the south and know a thing or two about manners. I also know that I will not allow someone to insult and deride me without responding.

          The way to address your post above is at the ballot box on Tuesday. I will see you there.

          • October 31, 2012 at 5:15 pm
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            Actually, I early voted on the first day. We are having record early voting here in Texas. The turnout is unbelievable. People that haven’t voted in the last 3 elections are voting now because they have had enough. Indications are that Romney will just about double the votes of Obama here. Conservatives are much more motivated, thanks to your President.

    • October 31, 2012 at 2:10 pm
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      “Sargent Major says: 3 wars on Obama…”

      Are you kidding me?!?!

      • October 31, 2012 at 2:16 pm
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        Sarge & Agent like making stuff up. Stick around, D, you’ll get used to it.

      • October 31, 2012 at 7:03 pm
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        No. Libya does count bud. The surge Obama did for Afghanistan counts as well. He had more troops in Afghanistan before and after his surge than Bush did. That’s Obama’s war 2.

        Regarding Iraq: He used the same December withdrawal date set by Bush.

        That’s claiming and owning war 3 on the same time frame as Bush, despite being in the office for 2 years before doing so. So he owns Iraq war 3.

        • November 1, 2012 at 8:29 am
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          WTF???

          • November 1, 2012 at 12:13 pm
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            Libby:

            If this WTF is to me, then look it up.

            Troops in Afghanistan at the end of Bush’s presidency. Compare it to the amount in Afghanistan during Obama’s surge, and after Obama’s surge.

            Obama explicitly stated that he was shifting the fight to Afghanistan rather than Iraq. But Iraq was already over, we had an agreed on date before he took office.

            He didn’t change anything, other than more troops in a surge to Afghanistan. These are facts. If you WTF them you are plainly not well informed.

          • November 1, 2012 at 12:22 pm
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            The WTF was for the last paragraph. First off, Libya is not a war so no, it doesn’t count. The other 2 wars were courtesy of George W. Bush. He inherited them. That makes him NOT responsible for them. Bush has, is, and always will be responsible for them both.

          • November 1, 2012 at 3:53 pm
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            Libby:

            I’m going to be clear: When you agree on the withdrawal timeline of Bush? You inherited and continued the war. Like it or not Bush acted on information given. As soon as we were at war he had no choice. Just like Obama. I hold Bush accountable for STAYING in Iraq. This is where you foolishly think I support him. I hold INTELLIGENCE responsible for the war, as well as every democrat, including Hillary, Biden, Al Gore, and John Edwards, who voted for it. They had the intelligence in hand. The same intelligence Bush looked at. They waved it in his face and said if he didn’t act we were all screwed. Bush in public didn’t give that pressure. They did. It created a need for war and accountability. You may have forgotten I HAVE NOT. The threat then against Bush was if you don’t go here, you will be accountable. So on Iraq: Everyone screwed up. Then we were all screwed with the bill so to speak. When Obama agrees on the withdrawal date, he inherits the same screw up Bush did, with the same time table bush had. Iraq is his.

            Afghanistan is not Bush’s war. Obama ran stating afghanistan was Bush’s weakness, said Bush didn’t pursue it enough, and said we would shift our war to the true people who attacked us. He surged troops to higher than that of Bush’s presidency, and backed off when he realized you weren’t as much of a drone as he thought, and you dems finally thought for yourself and said HEY. GET OUT OF AFGHANISTAN YOU ASSHOLE. Only and I repeat ONLY after republicans said HEY GET OUT OF AFGHANISTAN YOU ASSHOLE.

            You don’t see this DOES happen back and forth. In this case, republicans are stopping those wars. Obama took the same withdrawal date for Iraq, and escalated Afghanistan. This is NOT an opinion.

            Regarding Libya: It does not matter if we redefine what military action is. Go ask Ghadaffi and his people if he considered as at war with him. The answer… IS YES. If they don’t like us, they will fight. We got LUCKY to not have a war on our hands, and it WAS a military action that could have back fired.

            Libya is his, and it is conflict 3 for him.

            It counts.

          • November 1, 2012 at 4:07 pm
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            You will go to any lengths to defend your hero, Bush. But I’ll say it again, “Just because you say it, doesn’t make it true.”

            Obama inherited 2 wars and the economy. He inherited both from the Bush administration. Blaming him for using the same timeline for getting out of Iraq doesn’t make any sense. He did what he said he would do. He got us out of Iraq. He didn’t say he was using a new timeline to do it.

            Afghanistan is a big clusterf**k. I agreed at the time we needed to either fully retreat or beef up our troops. One or the other. We were getting nowhere with what was being done (inherited by Bush). He made a change. Not one you agree with, I understand. But he’s hardly responsible for us being there in the first place.

            Libya – say what you want, but we lost not one American life during that strike. And I’d love to ask old Ghadafi, but he’s dead. Thank you Obama.

        • November 1, 2012 at 10:10 am
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          Bob, I remember Obama saying Afghanistan was a war worth fighting. He apparently didn’t know that Russia had been there for 10 years at the expense of much blood and treasure when they were trying to set up a puppet regime of the Soviet Union. They finally had to give up and move out when they couldn’t win. Bush didn’t know what he was getting into either. He did clean out the Taliban, but look what it was replaced by. Obama thought he could wave his magic wand and everything would be good to go. Not! We have been there 11 years now. It is the 21st Century version of Viet Nam. We all know how that turned out.

          • November 1, 2012 at 12:16 pm
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            Agent,

            I remember that as well.

            And I called him taking credit for Iraq with the same time line before it happened.

            I also called the Gitmo intelligence leading to Osama, and him taking credit. Of course I thought he would have closed Gitmo, which would have made him look pretty stupid taking credit, but then again, I just underestimated him in intelligence. I would have kept it open while I caught Osama too. otherwise, when people asked where the info came from, I wouldn’t be able to claim credit if it was from a place I disagreed with, through tactics I went after the president for.

            That’s why he was oddly silent and told everyone he wasn’t pursuing Bush for war crimes for the torture.

            Even independents told him to go after Bush.

            Common sense Libby, he specifically backed off to save his butt.

  • October 31, 2012 at 1:03 pm
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    Libby, I thank your father for his service to this country and my condolences for his passing. My father, a 2 tour combat veteran (Marine Corp) has also passed. He was a Reagan Democrat.

    Let me give you a lesson. Soldiers ALWAYS stand behind their Commander in Chief, ALWAYS. Why? because they are soldiers and that is their duty and responsibility. That does not mean they have to like or respect the man behind the position. They respect the position of “Commander In Chief”. It has happened many times. In Vietnam, very few soldiers would say they loved or even respected Lyndon Johnson. In Korea, many of the soldiers needed to figure out why they were in Korea and why it was called a “police action” and not a war by Harry Truman. So having respect and doing their duty is two separate and distinct issues.
    I have total respect for the Office of the President and Commander In Chief. The problem we have is someone who needs to be replaced.

    • October 31, 2012 at 2:02 pm
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      Calling him Barry Soetoro does not show respect for his office or position.

      • October 31, 2012 at 2:15 pm
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        isn’t that his real name????? What is disrespectful about calling him by his real name?

        • October 31, 2012 at 2:22 pm
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          No, it’s not his “real” name. No wonder you’re perplexed. You’re dazed and confused as well.

    • October 31, 2012 at 2:45 pm
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      Sargent, Isn’t Libby & Planet something spouting off their drivel from the Huffington Post? She is offended that we question the Messiah’s real name. He could clear that all up by taking Donald Trump’s offer of $5million if he releases his college records and passport records. He bashed Romney for a couple of months about Bain and his tax records, but refuses to release his sealed records. Who is this Manchurian candidate we have for a President? I also supported and defended the Office of the Presidency when I was in the service, but I have to tell you we don’t have a Commander in Chief now and if the Military were allowed to vote, it would be about 80/20 against this man.

      • October 31, 2012 at 2:48 pm
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        Amen, Agent!! I unabashedly support everything you have posted today :)

      • October 31, 2012 at 2:52 pm
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        The military is allowed to vote, you dodo bird. And he doesn’t have to show his college transcripts anymore than Romney has to show his tax records. He’s shown his birth certificate, and Barry Soetoro is NOT his real name.

        • October 31, 2012 at 2:56 pm
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          Romney did share his tax returns.

          • October 31, 2012 at 3:03 pm
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            2 years, which is what is required. Didn’t I agree he is not required to show any more? Why should any President have to show college transcripts to anyone? It’s nobody’s business? Quit being so quick to argue with me without reading what I said.

        • October 31, 2012 at 3:43 pm
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          Actually, several blue states have not sent ballots to the soldiers citing they didn’t have time to do it. Ohio is a prime example. How long has this election been scheduled? Obama definitely doesn’t want the Military to be able to vote. Texas got theirs out. Apparently, we are living in two different countries now, one that believes in the Constitution and one that does not. We are a Constitutional Republic and we are not going to stand for a Progressive Socialist to take it away from us.

          • October 31, 2012 at 3:45 pm
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            No where in the Constitution does it give you the right to vote. Look it up.

      • October 31, 2012 at 3:02 pm
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        Why won’t Trump take Colbert’s offer? Don’t know it? Colbert will teabag Trump in exchange for giving Trump $1,000,000 to a charity of Trump’s choice.

        Oh, and I don’t read “The Huffington Post”. I constantly use right wing sources to back up my information as you will recall from countless posts on other blogs. You may try to discredit me all you want but you know you are lying if you try to confuse people by saying I cite Huffington Post, MSNBC, or any of the like. Hey Agent – thanks for trying out!

        • October 31, 2012 at 7:08 pm
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          Planet:

          One offer is disgusting, the other offer is not.

          If someone wanted your college transcript, or gave you the choice to suck their balls, I’m pretty sure you’d very very happily choose to hand over your college transcript, with a big smile on your face.

          The thanks for trying out comment is condescending. You aren’t any more educated than Agent. You both have slipped up in your comments.

          You do so in a much more cry baby partisan manner that is typical of liberals. You cry about trickle down for pete’s sakes. Even most democrats don’t debate that one anymore if they are a center democrat. I can’t even go into words how many times you’ve made comments on the rich.

          Thanks for trying out! But your comments…Are generally lacking substance. I don’t care who you got them from. I care about the accuracy and methodology.

          • November 1, 2012 at 8:31 am
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            We don’t care what you care about.

  • October 31, 2012 at 3:01 pm
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    DS, it is 3 wars- 1.) Irag, he did not end the war as promised in 08 when he ran for office, 2.) Afghanistan, he escalted the war and sent more troops to Afghanistan and war number 3.) he helped with the war in Libiya. We don’t have ground troops in Libiya but he was involved.

    Perplexed- Obama has an AKA of Barry Soetoro. His step fathers last name was Soetoro and he used that name when they lived in Indonesia. His step father supposedly adopted him and he went to Indonesian schools as Barry Soetoro. While in Indonesia it is believed he also renounced any US Citzenship he may have had because you can’t or could not at that time hold dual citizenship in Indonesia. He was known as Barry for years (His father was also called Barry) until he came home from college one day and said “I am no longer Barry, I am Barack and want to be called Barack”. Who knows if or when he ever changed his name back to Obama om Soetoro but hey, he got elected anyway. There is no reason anyone can’t call him Barry Sotoro Obama etc.

  • October 31, 2012 at 3:14 pm
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    Libby said- Why should any President have to show college transcripts to anyone? It’s nobody’s business.

    Well transcripts were an issue when Bush was elected. They wanted his college records, his military records etc. Oh yes, his opponent did not serve in the military so He did not have any records.

    So why disclose college records? To prove who you are and that you are not a “Dodo Bird” as you would say.

    • October 31, 2012 at 3:16 pm
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      • October 31, 2012 at 3:23 pm
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        I tend to believe that since it took him such a long time to show his birth certificate that it could be counterfeit. if not, is he just so arrogant that he thinks no one can question him about anything? One could surmise that since he doesn’t feel obliged to answer any questions about Benghazi. And DON’T repeat that they are still investigating. WH knows full well what went down.If not, the entire bunch of thugs needs to vacate the premises.

        • October 31, 2012 at 3:37 pm
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          They ARE investigating. Do you think there are easy answers. Didn’t he stand up in front of America and take personal responsibility already? For crying out loud!

          • October 31, 2012 at 3:51 pm
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            HE STANDS UP IN FRONT OF AMERICA AND LIES ALL THE TIME. DEBATES DEMONSTRATED THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN. THEY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, I ASSURE YOU OF THAT.

          • October 31, 2012 at 3:53 pm
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            Obama thought it made him look like leader to stand up and say he takes full responsibility. He didn’t say that until the truth was out.

          • October 31, 2012 at 4:07 pm
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            You people are pathetic. You just won’t be happy until he’s hanged by the neck by a noose. KKK, anyone?

          • October 31, 2012 at 4:27 pm
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            Libby, ref. your KKK remark. I don’t care if Obama is black. I wouldn’t care if he was green, he is the worst president ever. Some think that being the first black to ever run for president some how made him a good candidate. There are several black men that would probably make great presidents. You’re the only racist on this blog. His skin color has NOTHING to do with his lack of skills.

          • October 31, 2012 at 4:30 pm
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            I’m not a racist, Perplexed.

          • October 31, 2012 at 5:08 pm
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            Actually Libby, the only certifiable member of the KKK in Congress was the honorable Robert Byrd (D-WV) and proud of it most of his life. He used to ride the ponies at night with a sheet over his head and see if he and his cohorts could find a black to hang. He finally apologized for his racist thug behavior when he was an old man and about to die, but his record is there for everyone to see. It is not surprising that he voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

  • October 31, 2012 at 3:20 pm
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    We are getting off topic. The important thing is we kill this bill. It is full of tax hikes, and problems for us including 16000 new irs agents. How fun is that!!! If it remains we will be beholden to Washington for our health care, because they will effectively control the system. They are already mandating laws, procedures and costs (for instance software) which are driving doctors out of business and the profession. This is serious, regardless of how we finance our health care, it would be nice to know it would be there. That’s not the case now.

  • October 31, 2012 at 3:51 pm
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    Amazing how many birthers are among us here on IJ. Sgt Major sounds like the biggest birther of the bunch. You guys have been raped with this thought of Obama being an “other”. In this case, it’s okay to abort. Mitt says so, than he says not to, then he says it’s okay again, backs a guy who doesn’t believe in it, and releases a campaign note that says it’s okay again.

    Iraq – President Obama is ending the war.
    Afghanistan – President Obama is ending the war and he got Bin Laden.
    Libya – never was a “war” but again, got the guy didn’t he?

    Thanks for trying out, Sgt. Major!

    • October 31, 2012 at 7:12 pm
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      Planet:

      The detainee who led us to Osama was waterboarded in 2007, and did not give out information until 2 years before Obama was in office.

      Obama did not get Bin Laden. He used Bush’s info obtained from water boarding. I can give you the MSNBC slip up article stating who led to Osama, and then give you an article from the CIA chief intelligence interview from CBS stating that Abu (there are two, one from Benghazi and one from Afghanistan) was water boarded, and had not given the info until after he broke from the torture. That’s something Obama would not have done. I’m sorry, Obama doesn’t get credit for telling someone to act on Bush’s information.

      Iraq:

    • October 31, 2012 at 7:14 pm
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      Planet:

      Sorry that went through before I finished:

      Iraq: WE WITHDREW ON THE SAME TIMELINE AS BUSH. So thank you but now, Obama isn’t doing anything new there.
      Libya: Don’t go on technicalities. He caused serious conflict with Libya that could have easily back fired. Thank god it didn’t, but that was military type of action. So yes, Libya counts.

      Thanks for trying out, especially on the first two where you are wrong the most.

  • October 31, 2012 at 4:04 pm
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    You people cannot have a serious discussion. I’m finished here.

  • October 31, 2012 at 4:25 pm
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    Get back to work, all of you!

    • October 31, 2012 at 5:03 pm
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      Hey WV agent. I haven’t seen you commenting lately. I hear that you got a little snow out of this storm. Tell me, is it true about Obama shutting down the coal mines and plants up there? You are there so give us the scoop. Where is Joe Manchin hiding out?

      • November 1, 2012 at 9:08 am
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        Central part of the state got hammered, 2-3 feet of snow in some places. Lots of power outages.
        Obama would like nothing better than to shut WV and the coal industry down. He can’t get it done through legislation, so he’s using his pit-bull EPA to do his dirty work. As you might guess, he hasn’t done a lot of campaigning here.
        Manchin is keeping a low profile as he runs for re-election, trying to convince people he’s really not in Obama’s pocket. Unfortunately, he’ll win – voters in this state never learn.

        • November 1, 2012 at 10:20 am
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          WV, You are confirming what everyone but Libby & Planet knew about what has been going on. I understand that Romney has a poll lead of about 15 points in your state. What I don’t understand is why Mancin is not standing up for the people of WV? I have not seen one statement from him on any forum railing against the EPA or this President about shutting your major industry down there. I know he is a Democrat, but he is supposed to represent the people of the state who elected him. Does he have a chance of getting beat?

          • November 1, 2012 at 1:25 pm
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            Unfortunately, he’ll win, and most likely with a pretty good majority. He was a decent governor, he’s “likeable,” and he’s a Democrat. It’s hard to understand because he’s certainly not representing the majority of WV’s people, just like our other Obama-phile, Jay Rockefeller.

          • November 2, 2012 at 10:26 am
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            Well WV, it is kind of strange that a Republican Presidential candidate will sweep WV in a landslide due to the actions of the current government and you have a Democratic Senator who doesn’t do anything to represent the people and he wins easily. If we had such a person in Texas, he would be shown the door. Perhaps he is better than the deceased Robert Byrd who was a proud member of the KKK for much of his life. He led the league is racism and the people didn’t hold him accountable and kept re-electing him.

          • November 2, 2012 at 10:35 am
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            Agent, I feel the need to fact check you again. Byrd was in the KKK, but only for a short time. He renounced it and said he regretted it, but of course we don’t know if that was just for political gain.

            He steered much government money to his state of WV, which is why he was continually re-elected and was the longest-serving member in the history of the United States Congress.

            Before you argue with me, I am not making any statement for or against Byrd. I am just stating the facts for readers that may not know the whole story.

  • October 31, 2012 at 5:29 pm
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    @wvagt: Wow this Libby is really something isn’t she? Do you think she even has a job? Spends alot of time spewing!

    • November 1, 2012 at 8:50 am
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      “Wow this Libby is really something isn’t she?” Yes, I am. Thank you.

  • October 31, 2012 at 7:55 pm
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    • November 1, 2012 at 12:20 pm
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      Captain:

      Point out my lies.

      Thanks for trying out!

      Also: If you don’t support bullies, don’t support Libby.

      • November 1, 2012 at 12:25 pm
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        Captain does not support me. I am fully capable of supporting myself. Against you and any other comers on this site.

        • November 1, 2012 at 12:28 pm
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          Libby:

          Do you argue against everything? That was a figure of speech.

          He talks with you.
          He talks of your points.

          He is then calling me a bully.

          Libby you have a problem with everyone in this post. Not just me.

          I have a problem with two people, You, and Captain.

          I don’t fight with the whole darn group. I don’t agree with the whole darn group either. But I guess you can try to blame everyone else for your fighting if you would like, I prefer to call that a “bully”.

          Which you are.

          • November 1, 2012 at 12:34 pm
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            Of course I argue with 95% of the people on this blog. They’re all a part of the right wing, which I feel adamently has singlehandedly caused the breakdown of our society. I’m a liberal. One of very few on this site. That does not make me a bully.

            I never insulted you until you began with me. I’m just fighting back against the bully – YOU.

        • November 1, 2012 at 12:40 pm
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          Libby:

          You insult those you perceive you should assault. Which is 95% of everyone you don’t agree with apparently, and that you perceive destroyed society.

          And you tell me maybe I was bullied as a kid and learned I had to bully back. You just sufficiently admitted you have to fight back agaist the bully, 95% of the time.

          I started no fight with you. I attempted to end a fight with you.

          I don’t accept bullcrap statements. In this way, I am like planet. I will call out a bull crap statement.

          However, where we differ is I generally then act pretty normal.

          This is a break in process. You have to learn someone will smack you upside the head when you’re a dumb ass. I expect the same to happen with me. In that area, I actually have a lot of respect for you Libby. I would expect to be hit upside the head with facts when I’m wrong. And you’ve done it. Of course not often, but you have done some correction.

          You don’t course correct Libby. That would be why I call you a bully.

          You just disagree with Everyone. I do agree with some liberals on this site. I disagree with only 2 on this site on a regular basis, and that’s you and Planet. The others are only ocassional.

          Perhaps you should learn to get along with the 95% of the 50% of the population who you seem to be unable to resist fighting with.

          • November 1, 2012 at 12:53 pm
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            Bob, you are nothing like Captain. Don’t flatter yourself.

            As far as disagreeing, I do disagree. And the last time I checked, I have that right in this country. So telling me to stop is in essence un-American.

            And I have many, many, in fact a majority, of my friends that are Republican. We have lively debates where we are respectful of each others views and I do course-correct when necessary.

            You have never been respectful to me or my views or my right to have those views. And yes, some of my views are just that. Views. They’re not facts or statistics I can rattle off like you do. That doesn’t make them any less valid to me.

            Half the “facts” posted on here by others are complete bullshit, but you do not dispute them. The fact that you continue to berate and belittle me, and no-one else, is proof you are a bully. At least I argue with everyone I disagree with, which happens to be the majority on this particular blog. I don’t single out just one person like you do. Bully.

          • November 1, 2012 at 12:58 pm
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            Furthermore, you do not give anyone a chance to course-correct because you’re too busy writing pages of “facts” and adding insults to the mix. You will not have many people course-correct when you treat them like that.

          • November 2, 2012 at 11:57 am
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            Bob, I thought you had given up trying to reason with Libby. You are basically wasting your time. Her’s and Planets brains have been soaked in Progressive Liberal ideology so long that they are beyond hope. If they disagree with truth, they resort to name calling just like their leaders do. Libby has actually teased us by making a few statements we agree with and then she has a relapse into her hate filled ideology against Conservatives. She is really upset that her guy is losing and rails against us for having the winning arguments. She thinks her guy has been “Noble & Honest” with the American People even when he is caught in a web of lies and deceit like Benghazi and cannot spin his way out of it.

          • November 2, 2012 at 12:20 pm
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            Agent – this goes both ways. Obama is not “my guy”, but he is more my guy than Romney. I am not a wingnut and am quite moderate in some of my ideology. But being constantly barraged by unproductive attacks, like this one, had flipped a switch in me that I really didn’t like. I have made a commitment to myself to be more respectful and refrain from name calling. I don’t expect you to make the same commitment, but it would be nice. We can respectfully disagree on “topics” without making it personal.

        • November 1, 2012 at 12:50 pm
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          Libby:

          Side comment:

          If you believe you have nothing to apologize for you’re a bully.

          A bully answers to no one. They are right. That’s all that matters.

          Not human decency.

          That other guy, look at him.

          That’s the path to evil. Trust me on that one.

          When you can’t look at yourself because you’re busy pointing at someone else, you yourself can justify treating anyone, any way, that you want.

          This is bully libby. I’ve even read on it, in “how to deal with bullies” books. A bully does not know they are a bully. They believe they are attacking someone who deserves it. As you admitted, you just have to attack that 95% of right wingers.

          They don’t believe they have done anything wrong, because their actions are the results of someone else.

          I could go on…But you’ve not read on it…And you don’t know you’re a bully.

          Further on the apology front: I’m not looking for an apology. I only mentioned a prior debate.

          But you are so happy to take up the argument as today’s fight…

          Again, bully syndrome…

          • November 1, 2012 at 12:56 pm
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            The fact that I argue with someone with an opposite viewpoint does not make me a bully. And I don’t expect any one of them to apologize to me for their views, just like I will not apologize for mine.

            I have, on occasion, gone too far and something I regretted. When that happens, I readily apologize. And think I may have even done it once to you.

            Other than that, I will not apologize for my political views or opinions. Not to you or anyone else.

          • November 2, 2012 at 1:01 pm
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            Libby, If Obama is not your guy, why have you posted hundreds of comments defending him and his actions or lack of actions? Romney has not been in office the past 4 years doing tremendous damage to the economy and country and Obama has. Instead of giving Romney the benefit of the doubt and giving him a chance to right the ship, you just run him down like your other Progressive friends and think it would be a colossal mistake to elect him. This country is going down the drain unless we wake up and change course. Unfortunately, your common sense is lacking and you would just follow the other lemmings off the cliff rather than say wait a minute, something is wrong with this picture.

          • November 2, 2012 at 2:07 pm
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            Well, Agent, you are entitled to your opinion but I’d like to point out that you don’t know me. I do not like Romney and do not want to give him a chance to cram his ideals down my throat.

            I defend Obama because I think he’s done alot of good things and let’s face it, he didn’t have much to work with. It is easy to criticize when you are the Monday morning quarterback.

            On this blog, the comments are so outrageous and derogatory I felt a need to point out there are two sides to every story. But my responses to your extremism got just as bad as yours. I acknowledge that and intend to temper myself. You do what you want.

        • November 1, 2012 at 12:58 pm
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          Libby:

          Go figure as a side comment. I try to be nice after an argument rather than arguing non-stop like you.

          I have been out of line in the past.

          I do often call people morons when they come on here foaming at the mouth insulting someone with a fact that they themselves didn’t research.

          In this post alone you’ve told people to do their research when you were aggitated with the side who destroyed our society.

          From my point of view, your side did. I don’t fight quite as hardcore as you with liberals here.

          So I must be the worse guy for “pretending” to be nice….That’s what I’m doing right?

          Read my post where I said I am more accurately describe as “ruffled feathers”. That is admission of myself getting riled up, for the same technical “reasons” as you.

          This is why every now and again I try to cut you some slack.

          You don’t of me.

          • November 1, 2012 at 1:10 pm
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            Your side comment went on to label me a bully. What is trying to be nice about that?

            You get your “feathers ruffled” and call people a moron. When I do it, I’m a bully.

            Again, the double-standard is alive and healthy in this country.

        • November 1, 2012 at 4:05 pm
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          Don’t kid yourself.

          Planet doesn’t have an ounce of class. He’s talking about farts in his insults against Romney, and intentionally does humor insults to get Agent to reply seriously, and then reply he was joking as a result. He’s playing with Agent.

          What you don’t realize is me and Planet are alike. The reason he doesn’t reply is a bully is very similar to the people they bully, they have common factors, but then they are worlds apart. The bully fights, the bullied fights back. You will always see two people fighting like crazy. One is always the bully in that circumstance. Chances are the person throwing around fart words, and enticing people into falling into the Joke bait trap Planet did intentionally are the bully. It was a double meaning very particular comment. Maybe planet was serious, maybe he wasn’t. He didn’t want agent to know. That wording was not a mistake. He wanted Agent confused, and then he wanted to say “hey lighten up and laugh it was a joke”. Rapists operate the same way Libby. They say they were “joking” when they do sexual innuendo to start. This is also what bullies do. They put out a joke, so their bullying can be accepted, or seen as non-serious. Look this shit the hell up. I’m quite well versed thank you very much. I spotted Planet early on.

          There is a knowing in the air when they meet. They are similar in some ways.

          Planet avoids me out of that knowing. Planet knows I spotted his Agent trap crap. He’s trying to position Agent. He’s used to being able to do it. But he knows he wouldn’t stand a chance in hell against my arguments.

          He’s picking who he’s going to bully. Pay attention to who he responds to and how.

          I respond to everyone. This means I am not choosing who to reply to based on some criteria. Bullies choose their victims, and who they will reply to. It’s a form of control. Which is what bullies like.

          Planet is bully old school.

          • November 1, 2012 at 4:17 pm
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            “I respond to everyone. This means I am not choosing who to reply to based on some criteria. Bullies choose their victims, and who they will reply to. It’s a form of control. Which is what bullies like.”

            You know what people say, don’t you Bob? You tend to not like in others what you do not like about yourself.

            You do not respond to everyone. Mainly you respond to me and occasionally Captain. I don’t see you replying to many others.
            You have chosen your victim to bully and her name is Libby. I spotted you a mile off, but refuse to allow you to bully me. I will fight back.

            And FYI – rapists rarely start off with sexual innuendo because rape has nothing to do with sex and everything to do with power. Something you are obviously after in a big way.

        • November 1, 2012 at 4:30 pm
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          Now that we have established you were probably raped…Let me say the following:

          Wrong. On the rape front again the methodology. Rapists do start off with innuendo, to see what they can get away with.

          On the power correct. The power does not contradict my statement. Learn what contradicts and what doesn’t. Seriously.

          On to the understanding people: Wrong again. With this logic any observation you make of me is really an element of yourself. This means you cannot possibly make an observation outside of yourself. That cliche line works in your child like brain, but not with someone who is quite logical and intelligent.

          Planet did play with Agent.

          That phrase was worded a way which was clearly a joke, but clearly was a get out of jail free joke as I call it. It could fall the other way if Planet wanted to. It made it so no one could attack him. Let me tell you this: NO ONE speaks or sets up like planet did on that phrase.

          With the exception of one group type: People 60 plus who have learned these tactics.

          Hey planet: What’s your age? Given the way you just did that I can tell a whole lot about you. Originally I thought you were 50. You aren’t. You’re older. I can tell. I’m guessing pushing 70 on the low end. How close am I?

          And yes, Planet gives off bully vibes. Do you know how my grandfather acts to win people over? HE IS a rapist. On my mother’s side. He ruined lives. And let me tell you, Planet just set up the convo style he’s done every day of his life.

          • November 1, 2012 at 4:40 pm
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            You haven’t established diddly squat, Bob.

          • November 2, 2012 at 10:46 am
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            Bob, Actually I was playing with Planet. His posts are so goofy that many on this forum think he truly is an alien from another Planet. Perhaps you read his post that he enjoyed going to see the Bulls play at Wrigley Field. He tried to squirm out of it later and say he was a huge sports fan and that is not what he meant. Even though he and Libby think I am a dinosaur, I would never say I was going to see the Rangers play at Jerry Jones Stadium.

    • November 1, 2012 at 12:25 pm
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      Captain:

      If you didn’t catch the sarcasm:

      A bully is a guy who talks condescending, laughs at the person he’s debating with, insults the person’s ability to take a joke while doing that, (what you did to Agent in this post) and then ends his post with “thanks for trying out!” while “supposedly” pointing out a triad of facts, but never responding to the facts that counter his point.

      Captain, you aren’t calling the Bully. You’re calling out the social guy who ate bullies as a youngin’.

      I know bullies. Have you ever been bullied Captain?

      Here’s a way of finding out: Are you a member of a group?
      Do you make ridiculous catch lines (thanks for trying out) and ally with your groups in insulting people with absurd stretches? (Libby is all I have to say here)
      Were you wrong in some of your details, and used those details to bully another with a catch phrase (thanks for trying out, connected to Obama ending Iraq, a lie, Obama catching Osama, he didn’t and wouldn’t have were it not for Bush water boarding Abu,)

      Most importantly, do you debate relevant facts, or do you call people by derogatory terms in politics? (tea baggers, etch a sketch, Robney,)

      Hmm…

      Bully much Planet? I know bully. I’m the guy who actually you would call “ruffled feathers” but not bully.

      That’s realism bud. I don’t have to feel like a big boy. I certainly don’t have to back down either. Do you feel like a big boy when you debate Agent hardcore? Let’s quit with the big talk Captain and the attempts to belittle people.

      Got that much?

      Or are logics a bit too much for you?

      • November 1, 2012 at 12:29 pm
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        “A bully is a guy who talks condescending (Bob), laughs at the person he’s debating with (BOB), insults the person’s ability to take a joke while doing that (you have no sense of humor), and then ends his post with “thanks for trying out!” (BOB!!!)

        Really, Bob. That sound just like you. And I’m sure you know alot about bullies. I’m sure with your attitude you were bullied plenty as a kid, so you grew up and learned to bully people back with your words. You’re the condescending, insulting, rude one here. Pathetic.

        • November 1, 2012 at 12:36 pm
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          I never make jokes that insult someone’s intelligence and use them not laughing at it as a means to insult them.

          Your comments are insanely absurd. We had a debate where you couldn’t even apologize or admit you were wrong on one thing.

          While I pointed out where I could have been.

          I do not laugh at the people I’m debating with and then tell them they should laugh as well. Learn to interpret my statements.

          I have plenty of a sense of humor, I have no need to pull that out when I’m talking about being called a racist, being called derogatory terms, or insulted. I don’t have to entertain you. Maybe you learned as a bully, that people have to cater to you a great deal more than they should.

          Just saying.

          • November 1, 2012 at 12:39 pm
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            Bullshit. I don’t know how many posts of yours to me started out Hahahahahahaha. You have been patronizing, condescending, and rude to me. Then you try to turn it around like you’re some mister nice guy. Well, you’re not.

            And I’ve already told you I will not apologize to you, so save your breath. I have nothing to apologize for.

        • November 1, 2012 at 12:44 pm
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          I have stated HAHAHAHAHAHA ONLY

          AND I SAY THIS IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE I KNOW FOR CERTAIN IT IS TRUE

          ONLY

          WHEN SOMEONE HAS FOUGHT WITH ME AND THEY SAY SOMETHING SO INSULTING AND ABSURD THAT I THEN FOLLOW SUIT WITH A HAHAHAHA.

          I NEVER

          NEVER

          START WITH A HAHA.

          AND IF YOU DON’T BELIEVE THAT LOOK AT THE HEALTH CARE MANDATE POST

          LOOK AT THE JERSEY POST

          LOOK AT THIS POST.

          HELL YOU CAN LOOK UP MY USER NAME HERE AND IT WILL SHOW ALL MY COMMENTS.

          AND I ONLY TALK LIKE THIS, WHEN SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING THAT IS SO FULL OF %@^@ IT’S INSANE.

        • November 1, 2012 at 4:46 pm
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          Joe Biden.

  • November 1, 2012 at 8:52 am
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    Well, let’s just put it out there. Obama is a giant piece of crap and the only people in favor of Obamacare have a high school or less education.

    In fact, I’ve stopped debating folks over our Muslim President. Anyone with an IQ over 60 can see through his political rhetoric (lies). I find it hilarious the people voting for him happen to be the people who have already lost their job, are in the process of losing their job, work for a company/corporation going under or are unemployed.

    Get ready for Sharia Law in 2015(ish). It’s amazing how many women like this President. Under Sharia Law, you will lose ALL of the rights you currently have. Don’t blame the Republicans in two years when you are suffering like no other time in the history of the USA. If Obummer wins, that time is coming. Guaranteed. It’s a shame some of you are too blind to see.

    • November 1, 2012 at 8:56 am
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      Wow, UCT. Way to denegrate half of the population. I bet you graduated from the school of How to Make Friends and Influence People.

      Do your homework and then come back. Obama is no Muslim than I am.

      But nice try.

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        Ah yes, nothing like degenerating half the population…

        Not like someone above believes that republicans are racist anti gay women opressing tyrants. No…None of that…

        It’s not like you’ve labeled half the population yourself.

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          • November 1, 2012 at 12:53 pm
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            Libby:

            I can deny that. As it is entirely untrue.

            It’s perspective.

            Are the women who are against abortion against women as well? Just curious.

          • November 1, 2012 at 12:57 pm
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            Gee Libby, if Republicans are so anti women, I wonder how Romney has made up 20 points and has pulled even on the women vote. The single feminist vote that you belong to are in Obama’s camp and the married women trying to balance their budget and wanting someone to straighten out the Progressive mess is solidly behind Romney now. It is all about Economics now and I think a lot of women will vote their purse this time.

          • November 1, 2012 at 1:05 pm
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            That remark justs shows how sexist you are, Agent. The “single, feminist” versus the “married woman”? Really? That’s the choice? All feminists have to be single because they hate men? All married women are adoring, little puppets and should just be happy they have a man?

            I am married. I am a feminist. I am an insurance agent. I am a liberal. I guess I don’t fit into the little boxes you have for women.

          • November 1, 2012 at 4:20 pm
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            Ah hell with it, Libby and Agent:

            In order to finally show that I am not some right wing moron, here goes:

            Whether or not women vote with republicans or not doesn’t really show whether or not women are supported by republicans.

            This is shown true by how many women republicans believe are fooled to vote democrat with promises of a better world for them. But they don’t get a better world.

            So on the polling front I don’t care if women are going up in popularity for Romney, and I don’t think it reflects whether or not Romney represents them. This isn’t to say I don’t agree that republicans are pro women. I do think it’s in a very different way though than a liberal woman would understand.

            Now for you Libby:

            You really think that republicans have a cookie cutter box thing going for what women are supposed to be in regards to single or not? He mentioned single feminist, mainly because there is a demographic of single women feminsts which are the strongest of the group. And sadly for you, it’s true. The single feminst leans more hardcore than the married.

            Women who are married flip republican leaning. Women who are single lean democrat. We can debate the reasons all day, but odds are it has something to do with the family platform, which they support. And if married women seek the family friendly platform, the single woman must be seeking the non-married platform. Given what they seek and believe, it’s not only probable, it’s likely that the single female feminsts are the most hardcore. It is certainly not even debatable that more single women are feminsts than couples though. This is already a proven stastic.

            They realize something when they get married.

            So do men.

            Both grow. A single feminist is like a college student male thinking he’s got life figured out. Very common, not unalike, not at all sexist to think they are going to vote democrat.

      • November 1, 2012 at 4:34 pm
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        Libby:

        And to add a bit more:

        Do not, and let me repeat this: DO NOT state that I love power similar to a rapist.

        I just retaliated against planet which I will admit was out of line but so were you.

        I’m not going to have myself labeled as some bully while you justify how it’s ok to attack 95% of people as long as you don’t like them.

        I’m ending my argument there. One of us says it’s ok to attack 95% of 50% of the population.

        And she says that’s ok. So go %@%@ yourself. Really. We know who the piece of crap is here.

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        • November 1, 2012 at 5:18 pm
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          Bob, As you know, I have numerous run-ins with both Libby and Planet. He is more goofy with his idiotic posts and Libby is a little more hard core Progressive Liberal Feminist tirades. Both cannot stand it that women in general have abandoned the Democratic Party for their role in the unbelievable mess they have put this country in. Married women in particular see the economic distress when they are trying to balance the family budget, grocery shop, buy gas for the car and see all their bills going up while their income is going down. Single women don’t seem to get it on how much trouble is coming down so they hide their head in the sand and hope their Messiah saves them. Gee, I wonder why he didn’t just roll the waters back in NJ and NY. That would have saved a bunch of trouble rebuilding.

  • November 1, 2012 at 8:57 am
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    @Libby – I agree. You aren’t a racist, simply a non-white person who feels as though she has been mistreated by “the man”. Hey, I get it. You want food stamps and welfare for everyone. Bless your heart. I agree. Food stamps should be given to everyone. We should all get disability checks on the 15th of each month and we should all get free public housing. You go Libby. As a white guy, I am assuming you expect me to pay for it via taxes? How about a “white tax”? That would make sense. All white people should now pay 2% more in taxes to prove we aren’t racist. The non-whites should get a tax deduction because they voted for a half-black President. LOL

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      • November 1, 2012 at 9:09 am
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        Mighty white of you, UCT. You just earned the Biggest Bigot on IJ badge. Wear it with pride…white pride. By the way, I am also white, blondish-brown hair and hazel eyes. I graduated from The University of Iowa (Go Hawks!) and think the PPACA is a step in the right direction, but still needs some work.

        We should start playing a game, “Is this racist?” I will start forwarding over some of these posts to several of my not-so-white friends and get their collective opinions. You could probably do the same, right UCT? You aren’t racist, right? You have a black friend. Better yet, I could forward them to Frank Meeink who is a recovering skinhead. He should know better than anyone else. Perhaps you used to hang out with him back in the day, UCT?

      • November 1, 2012 at 12:54 pm
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        Libby:

        Ok, I think I may understand why you don’t like “some” conservatives based on the above.

        And that type of comment is not appropriate UCT.

        • November 1, 2012 at 1:07 pm
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          Well, Bob, read on. He goes on to say I am not white, I am on food stamps, I don’t work, and I am on welfare clipping coupons. Just because I support Obama.

          And those type of comments are not unusual. Sad.

  • November 1, 2012 at 9:00 am
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    @Libby – As quickly as you replied, you must live in this forum. Are you paid by the Obama Administration or do you just not have a job? Personally, I must get back to work now. Someone has to pay for your food stamps.

    • November 1, 2012 at 9:02 am
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      Well, you replied pretty quickly too white guy. I don’t need your food stamp money. I’ve got plenty of my own money.

  • November 1, 2012 at 9:03 am
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    You are about as much of a white female as I am a member of the Black Panthers.

    Nice try though. :)

    • November 1, 2012 at 9:05 am
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      Believe what you want. I am a blonde, blue-eyed, female of 54. I’m a liberal democrat and proud of it. Just because I am in favor of helping those less fortunate does not make me one of them. I, unlike most of the people on this blog, have empathy for others and can put myself in their shoes without having to actually walk in them myself. You should try it sometime. It might be an eye-opener for you. Not everyone has it as good as we do, through no fault of their own.

  • November 1, 2012 at 9:06 am
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    You should be able to save tons of money Libby. It’s obvious you spend all day on here and do not work. That’s my tax dollars in action. Hey, pick me up some bread today if you can. I’ve been working overtime to pay for you welfare recipients in this country and haven’t had time to grocery shop.

    Have a good day Libby. The Black Friday ads will be coming out soon, so you’ll have something to do besides post here.
    And no need to keep pretending you are white as Halloween is now over. :) Only a non-white would claim to be a blue eyed, blond hair female in an Obama thread. You are typical of the Obama regime. Lie like a dog, but who cares as long as you get something for free….

    • November 1, 2012 at 9:09 am
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      I work full time and don’t have time to pick up my own bread, white guy. You are funny, trying to insult me by implying I am a minority because I am pro-Obama and I must be on food stamps and welfare. Funny, but pathetic. I told you the truth, but I don’t expect you to believe it. People with small brains usually can’t think outside their little box.

  • November 1, 2012 at 1:24 pm
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    Libby, you may not fit into his boxes, but maybe you fit into the binder Agent has for women. As far as the women supposedly tying up the votes, I’m so old I remember when conservatives were saying the polls were nothing more than liberal bias and you cannot trust them. It was like poll-trutherism. Then, they swing another way and all of a sudden, the polls are totally legit again! Oh, I love you Fox News and Fox Newsians. Some people say…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYA9ufivbDw

    • November 1, 2012 at 1:40 pm
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      If Agent is still using binders, he IS a dinosaur!

    • November 1, 2012 at 4:37 pm
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      Hey Planet, AKA piece of crap:

      You’re pretty decent there at playing to the woman RAWR.

      It’s too bad that *Agent* *Bob* don’t fit into your “box” of what you *believe* republicans are all about.

      Man, we must not have got that memo about the women hating, gay hating, rich lovin’ folk.

      God darn it. That must really piss you off that we don’t fit in that box…

      So much so…That you’ll join in on believing how absurd it is that Agent put Libby into a box, and then you’ll continue to put him in one. That will teach him right?

      *rolls eyes*

      Bully.

  • November 1, 2012 at 4:42 pm
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    MOMMY, someone called me a name on the playground today.
    I digress. Why not? everyone else did.

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      • November 1, 2012 at 5:19 pm
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        Yep. I am tired. had to put two FT people onm the umemloyment line. Working till 08:00pm. Almost every Saturday.
        Quality of my life sucks. 2008 was riding life high. Now – not.

  • November 1, 2012 at 4:51 pm
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    Bob – you might as well not waste your time on me. I don’t even read your posts anymore. I quit many blogs ago. I choose to ignore the bully. That’s about the only name-calling I’ll do out here, unlike yourself. I’ve even told Agent I’m sure he’s a pretty good person, we just don’t agree much. And, he even wants to remove part of my brain. I actually laughed with him on that one. Agent made a good funny there. I do think the whole, “what planet are you from” remark has been overused, though. Time for some new material.

    Very telling about this year’s Republican voter suppression:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GBAsFwPglw

  • November 1, 2012 at 5:12 pm
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    Hi Bob:
    I see you are debating with an unarmed socialist so I thought I would chime in. I also had a few minutes in between busness calls late in the afternoon.

    It looks to me like she and captain have nothng to debate and usually try to use excuses or change the subject. If that don’t work they cop an attitude just like Joe “Gaffe a minute” Biden, etc to somehow get people to agree with them. You can see it throughout this diatribe. Your points are valid and they are ignorant so you have my vote. Remember You can’t fix stupid.

    Additionally, if she really is a broker she must not make many sales or sales calls because she spends all her time on this blob. I suspect the rest of her time is voting for her own posts along with captain whats hs name. I find it interesting that when they are not on this blog the consevative positive votes go up, way up and when she hops on all of the sudden she gets a bunch of positive votes all at once. So, she is like the rest of her socialist bretheren, win at all costs even if you have to stuff the ballot box.

    • November 1, 2012 at 5:20 pm
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      Sorry about your tigers. Was looking forward to a better series.

      • November 1, 2012 at 8:30 pm
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        Hello FFA me too. Terrible series and unfortunately the Tigers have,at times been brilliant and then all of the sudden lose 2 out of 3 at home to the last place team in the division. The were very unpredictable and the brilliance ended with the Yankee series. After the Yankee Series I thought we may have finally got our act together. No, not to be. They have already started to make changes. Valverde gone, Delmon Young will not be back, Victor Martinez will most likely DH. So we will see

        • November 2, 2012 at 9:11 am
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          Speaking of baseball, what’s Nate Silver saying about Obama’s chances of re-election today? I think he has it at 80.9% chance. I also heard today, Rush Limbaugh called Chris Christie fat – what’s that saying about the kettle again?

          • November 2, 2012 at 9:15 am
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            That’s the pot calling the kettle fat.

          • November 2, 2012 at 9:35 am
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            That’s awesome, Libby! By the way, win or lose, Chris Bradshaw’s show on Wednesday should be a good one. He’s going to run a little longer than usual and I believe he’s bringing 6 packs of Grain Belt into the studio, along with his dog.
            http://mixlr.com/webcast-one-live/

            Or, just google search Radio Bradshaw and you’ll find him.

            webscastonelive.com will have the video feed

          • November 2, 2012 at 9:51 am
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          • November 2, 2012 at 10:14 am
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            True is true. Some facts just can not be hidden even in a tent.

          • November 5, 2012 at 5:05 pm
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            I think I will believe the Economics Professor from Colorado who did the model of predicting of all 50 states by what the Economic factors were. He has not been wrong once and he has been doing it since 1980. He is predicting Romney because of the economy. You liberals think this will be won on social issues and he thinks the pocket book is the determining factor. I also think the pocket book is stronger than providing Sandra Fluke’s birth control pills.

          • November 6, 2012 at 11:07 am
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            Agent, I think you are referring loosely to a new forecasting method that predicts Romney. Applied retroactively, it was correct in predicting the election since the data used was available in 1980.

            The model uses a plethora of data and not just economics and it was created by 2 Political Science professors – not an Economics professor.

            http://www.colorado.edu/news/releases/2012/10/04/updated-election-forecasting-model-still-points-romney-win-university

        • November 2, 2012 at 10:20 am
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          Who is running your show – Jim Hendry? Good players so lets get rid of them? Winning breeds revenues.
          Just wondering – how is Detroit managing with out Hockey? It is an econimic blow to Chicago, but with our excessive taxxes and super duper give a way Gov, only financially effecting the law abiding tax paying people of this crummy state.

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        • November 2, 2012 at 11:41 am
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          Interesting it wasn’t written by an American. I guess the British are better able to view things dispassionately. Their dog is in the fight, but he’s got a by week.

      • November 2, 2012 at 11:42 am
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        Agent – did you even look at the article before thumbing it down? I have decided I will no longer thumb. Up or down. Censor away!

  • November 2, 2012 at 10:37 am
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    I just heard a report on the radio this morning regarding the storm that hit the N/E. Many states have offered assistance to help restore power and the clean up efforts. Alabama sent a number of electrical employees up there to help. They were greeted by the Electrical Workers Union and asked where their union card was. They are refusing the help because Alabama is right to work. Mr. President, you pledged to cut out the red tape because the area needed help right now. How about condemning the union for their behavior? How about getting to work and clean up this mess? This is just the latest example of why unions are a drag on our society. When they had the blizzard up there, they wouldn’t get out with their plows for several days. NY has the highest taxes in the country and the worst services and now everyone knows why.

    • November 2, 2012 at 11:46 am
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      Agent, don’t leave out that Bloomberg is going ahead with the marathon. Using first responders to set up barricades, bringing in food and water wagons while some of their citizens are stranded with no water or food. Guess some of those New Yorkers would be loving a big gulp (Tx thing) today. Too bad that they are outlawed in their “fair” city.

      • November 2, 2012 at 11:46 am
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        That marathon decision was crazy!

        • November 2, 2012 at 12:07 pm
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          Agreed!

          • November 2, 2012 at 2:14 pm
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            I disagree. It needs to run. Show the world life continues. Get the economic boost neeed to recover from this mess.

      • November 2, 2012 at 2:45 pm
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        Yes, Bloomberg is a total idiot. He is using generators to light Central Park instead of providing power to buildings in need of it. Where do they think they are going to get runners if the hotels, restaurants etc do not have power? The unions are refusing to allow outside workers in because they don’t belong to unions. How stupid is that? The nation stands ready to help NY & NJ and other places that need help and just look what is going on there.

        • November 2, 2012 at 3:26 pm
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          From what I understand, NJ is a forced unionized state but NY isn’t. So those electricians from Alabama were turned away by NJ, but NY was thrilled to have them.

          I agree, though. There will be nowhere for these people to stay or to eat. They should have postponed it for a few weeks.

          • November 2, 2012 at 4:05 pm
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            Chris Christie and the President should get on the horn and tell the union to bug off. These people cannot wait for essential services to be restored. They need, power, gas, food at the very least. From what I have heard, NY was using first responders to set up his Marathon. Hello! How did this man get elected there?

        • November 9, 2012 at 2:24 pm
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          In keeping with the idiot Bloomberg theme, he has now said it was illegal for people to give food to starving victims because the food might have an unacceptable sodium content and would be unhealthy to eat. I think it is unhealthy for the City of NY to have him as mayor since people are dying of starvation up there.

    • November 2, 2012 at 11:49 am
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      My brother is one of the imported labor guys. Worked the power lines for Edison for over 30 years right out of High School. Now he sits at home waiting for the union to call.
      I would like to urge the folks with out poer to resist bitchimng at the line men when they show up. They are on a tight time budget on that site. Should someone come and bitch to them for ten minutes, thats ten minutes they do not have to work on the issue. You want your power restored, let the line men work and bitch at the people in the offices.

      • November 2, 2012 at 11:51 am
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        I was high fiving and blowing kisses to my power guys! They were out there working in the rain and wind and got our power up within 24 hours. They were great. Don’t know if they’re union or not.

        • November 2, 2012 at 2:27 pm
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          Good for you. Could have been my Brother. Not sure where they sent him. Dont call him when he is doing storm recovery. Dont want him to be distracted. He works the Highest of the highest towers typically. Then he climbs poles. Then he works underground. He is usually there start to finish.

          Moral of this story, dont even do that. Let them work. They like the money, but they want to get home.

          • November 2, 2012 at 2:32 pm
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            I wanted to bring them hot coffee, but didn’t have any way to make it. Instead showed my appreciation when the job was done.

          • November 2, 2012 at 5:49 pm
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            The imported workers are taken care of very well. They are trained to reject any hospitality no matter what it may be. He works 18 hours then get paid for 8 hours down time.

            Again, let the line men work. Need to complain about something, call the office.

  • November 2, 2012 at 1:49 pm
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    As the weekend approaches, I think we can all agree we need to keep our fellow Americans on the eastern side in our thoughts and prayers. They are hardly going to have the type of weekend you might if you are removed from that disaster. If you can, give something to help them out.

    • November 2, 2012 at 2:13 pm
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      Give $10 by texting “Redcross” to 90999. Do as many times as you can afford.

  • November 5, 2012 at 5:22 pm
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    Will the blood letting really be over by tomorrow night when the polls close? Nah.

    I’m an independent who leans Democrat on social issues and Republican on business issues. While Hiary was and remains my first choice, I am voting for Obama as the the key Republicans in office said their job was to ensure Obama was voted out.

    That was NOT their job. Their job was to do the people’s business.

    If it turns out that Romney is elected, I hope that it’s Moderate Milt that shows up. If so, I will give him a chance because if he succeeds, America succeeds. But this Rush Libaugh Right Wing crap has just got to stop — as much as the Ed Schultz’s Left Wing crap has to stop.

    And if Romney wins, I won’t leave the country, I will just watch him clean up Bush’s messes (plural).

    • November 6, 2012 at 12:48 pm
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      Actually Center, you are not Center if you vote for Obama. Romney will be cleaning up a lot of messes Obama has created for the country the past 4 years. He took a bad situation and made it a whole lot worse with his big government entitlement spending binge. Keynsian economics has never worked in any country it has been tried in. All one has to do is look at Europe which is imploding as we speak. The idiots on the left think we have to spend more to keep from going bankrupt. Hello! Put your thinking cap on and wake up. We cannot keep borrowing $.40 of every dollar from China and expanding entitlements each year and remain a sovereign nation. Romney will reverse the trend, do things to get the economy going again and create real jobs that are productive and bring income in all the while reducing the size of this monstrous government which is eating our lunch. If you give Mitt a chance, the country will have a chance to recover.

  • November 9, 2012 at 2:04 pm
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    Breathe easy, health insurers. Breathe easy.



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