They did take the liquor ads (not beer or wine) off of TV for a long time but that had little effect on kids drinking. They are now starting to come back now. Taking cigarette ads didn’t help underage smoking; it still occurs. The control of this lies with the parents. The buck stops with them.
Did the survey ask where or how the underage person got the alcohol? More than likely, they got it at home. Whatever their parent drinks or has on hand is what they drink.
What kind of stupid pseudo-intellectual political article will this site publish next. I thought this was an insurance professional’s emagazine.
Maybe they should just make alcohol illegal, like drugs are. That should cure it, right. It’s never been tried either. What a bunch of garbage. Did you notice the communist Bloomberg name in the article. This study was probably funded with money borrowed from the Chinese, what we used to call tax dollars.
I agre with most of what you say Dave, but actually alcohol was banned before. Remember Prohibition back in the 20’s? That didn’t stop anything because the bootleggers thrived, Speakeasies were all over the place and the cops were bought off to keep them from being shut down. Elliot Ness tried to shut down Capone’s operation in Chicago without much success, but they finally got him on tax evasion. The answer to teenage drinking rests with parents. If they drink, the kids will drink and the kids always seem to know someone of legal age that will buy for them. They then binge drink to get as drunk as possible and that is when tragedy strikes either by driving drunk or in some cases Alcohol poisoning.
But I absolutely agree that the problem rests with parents. The author of this study is quoted as putting the onus on the alcohol companies, saying that they “need to take immediate action to reduce the appeal of their products to youth.” Seriously?
I don’t know what to tell you, jw. There is no legal requirement that bourbon be made in Kentucky. I’m not sure if it was true at one point or is simply a myth perpetuated by the Kentucky bourbon distillers.
February 13, 2013 at 8:37 pm
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All bourbon is whiskey (or whisky if you’re Irish), but not all whiskey is bourbon. I think “bourbon” is a USA thing, and needs to be mostly distilled from corn. Ask the folks in Bourbon county, Kentucky.
Jack Daniels might meet the US qualifications for “bourbon”, but it any real devotee would be offended if you called it bourbon.
On another note, Boone’s farm and Annie Green Springs were OK for the run-of-the-mill Friday night, but it was Gallo Spanada for special occasions. Except of course when you were going out with Sally – she required the Sloe Gin. Lancers and Andre Cold Duck were for the old folks at Thanksgiving, and a stray bottle could be found in a pinch.
February 14, 2013 at 11:57 am
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Jack Daniels is not bourbon because it’s charcoal-filtered. That’s the essential difference.
Bourbon does not have to be made in Kentucky.
Bourbon has to have a minimum of 51% corn in the grain bill, be made in the USA, distilled at no higher than 160 proof, aged in new oak barrels at no higher than 125 proof, and bottled at no less than 80 proof.
In terms of price/quality ratio, I think Blanton’s Single-Barrel is one of the best values.
So many experts on alcohol on this site. Bourbon/whiskey, take your pick. Underage kids should not have access to it. Bad things happen after midnight. I know because I have seen the claims and consequences of it for many years.
Dont’ forget Mickey’s! The very cause for my “freshman-15” back in the day.
It doesn’t make sense to rid the airwaves of commercials, but we do sensationalize alcohol too much in this country. Exactly what are those Black Crown ads supposed to be telling me anyhow? That if I drink it, I get invited to some “Eyes Wide Shut” like Bourbon Street backbar party? I heard the stuff isn’t that good. Now, Stone’s Old Guardian recently released on the other hand…
Since alcohol is responsible for these fatalities, Congress should pass a bill (so you can see what’s in it) to ban all alcoholic drinks, or the President should issue an Executive order to enact “alcohol control” regardless of age.
Been there, done that. How did that treat the country? Besdies, alcoholic drinks aren’t manufactured with the intent of killing. But, thanks for trying out, vl.
Probably would get worse, right youngin’? Part of the attraction is the fact it is a rebelious act because it is illegal for those under 21. I don’t think you see kids binge drinking like this in Germany, for example. They took away some of the appeal over there. I don’t see any Snoop Dog ads for chronic but we all know how prevalent that is with the youth. Heck, with Americans in general. Puff, puff, give, yo!
Yeah I agree. Teenagers push boundaries . . . it’s just what they do. Making something that adults obviously enjoy doing illegal for teenagers seems just about the most effective way of enticing the teenagers to do it. And the 21 thing is just stupid. An 18 year old is an adult, period.
Laws are the problem here, not the solution. You can’t prevent all bad things from happening and you can’t encourage personal responsibility by legislating all behavior.
Youngin, Our government is trying to legislate behavior at all levels since they seek control over our lives. Obamacare is the best example. Gun control is the next big issue. They think by confiscating weapons from the citizens that they can reduce gun violence. All that does is make it worse since the criminals will always have guns and don’t register them. You end up making law abiding citizens more vulnerable to the criminals. You can use Chicago as the prime example of very tough gun laws and they lead the world in murder and gun violence.
No, I don’t believe marketing affects underage drinking at all. If kids want to try alcohol, they will. Only parents can teach their kids about drinking responsibly.
They should teach drinking in school, just like they teach sex education. Legal age to drink should drop to same age as legal age to die in the military.
What do you mean? The teen pregnancy rate in the US has been dropping steadily since the 50s, with a big drop in the 90s after sex education was widely adopted.
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Here is some statistical evidence which should prove more solid than, “…as far as I can tell.”
I think I’ve read different statistics than you. Add to that the purely anecdotal evidence I see at the mall.
February 14, 2013 at 1:26 pm
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I don’t immediately see the correlation between the age reqruiement for military service and the minimum age to consume alcohol Dave in KY. Can you explain how the two are at all related? Does being eligible for military service automatically make someone capable of making responsible decisions regarding alcohol consumption?
Well, it is a little rude that kids can die for their country, but can’t have a drink legally.
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Hi Phoenix,
My dad fought in Vietnam and basically says what what jw says. “I could go to another country and kill or be killed, but I couldn’t have a beer?” Doesn’t really make much sense. And I really think if you ask someone to become a trained killer, that takes a lot more responsibility that alcohol consumption. Maybe there isn’t a clear correlation but maybe we shouldn’t coddle our 18 year old “children” either.
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Hi Dave,
I know when I was in school (6th grade) they had us go through D.A.R.E. (Drug and Alcohol Resistance Education), but that was it. Nothing by the time I got to high school. I don’t even know if they do D.A.R.E. anymore.
Kids will always push the envelope. I am not sure they are drinking anymore than we did as teens in the 80’s.I think we hear more about it when they do thanks to smart phones etc.
I have a better idea a bit off subject. Lets take the lawyers ads off tv.
All 3 of my adopted kids have smoked cigarettes and tried alcohol when they were underage and neither of my natural children did. I’m not a smoker and am barely a social drinker and so is their mother. On the other hand my adopted kinds all had deep family roots in terms of substabce abuse. There is something to be said about how genetics can play a role in this.
And where I live, there are smoke shops who will sell single or something less than a pack to minors. Likewise, the theft of liquor from gorcery stores is such that at least 2 of the stores in my community-and I live in anice area have security gaurds who watch out at the liquor shelves. And also, I am of the generation who really grew up with drugs and alcohol in the 70’s and 80’s. Our kids see what we are still doing and imitate it. Its sad as this is by no means a victimless crime.
Bottom line on drinking underage and MOST every other topic of a heated discussion involving children: Lack of responsibility from Parents.
No longer are parents teaching their children how to be responsible for their actions or how to actually be a functioning member of society. They blame others – police, teachers, government, big name companies, sports, celebrities – you name it.
It’s not the their fault and apparently not their problem. Sad.
The neo-prohibitionist zealots funded by our tax dollars come up with another useless study. How old does one have to be to do any of the following:
Go to war to protect this country
Enter into a contract
Marry and have children
Buy a house
Answer, in the majority of states you are deemed an adult at 18. Funny when you create a bad law that only serves to line the coffers of law enforcement and municipalities under the guise of safety, you get studies like this.
Underage? Hogwash. An adult that is 18 years old is not underage to consume an adult beverage. They are deemed an adult for every other activity except alcohol consumption. This study is worthless without the bad legislation that made it come out in the first place. Nannyists like MADD backed this garbage back in the 80’s. MADD has wasted 1 BILLION taxpayer dollars over the past 3 decades pushing bad legislation. Defund MADD, repeal the one law on the books that says you are not an adult at 18. Problem solved.
Maybe they should take the ads off of the television like they did the cigarettes
They did take the liquor ads (not beer or wine) off of TV for a long time but that had little effect on kids drinking. They are now starting to come back now. Taking cigarette ads didn’t help underage smoking; it still occurs. The control of this lies with the parents. The buck stops with them.
Maybe parents should turn the TV off.
Maybe parents should turn off the cell phones, computers and tablets too.
Did the survey ask where or how the underage person got the alcohol? More than likely, they got it at home. Whatever their parent drinks or has on hand is what they drink.
I wondered the same thing. Maybe they checked the trash bins outside frat houses?
What kind of stupid pseudo-intellectual political article will this site publish next. I thought this was an insurance professional’s emagazine.
Maybe they should just make alcohol illegal, like drugs are. That should cure it, right. It’s never been tried either. What a bunch of garbage. Did you notice the communist Bloomberg name in the article. This study was probably funded with money borrowed from the Chinese, what we used to call tax dollars.
I agre with most of what you say Dave, but actually alcohol was banned before. Remember Prohibition back in the 20’s? That didn’t stop anything because the bootleggers thrived, Speakeasies were all over the place and the cops were bought off to keep them from being shut down. Elliot Ness tried to shut down Capone’s operation in Chicago without much success, but they finally got him on tax evasion. The answer to teenage drinking rests with parents. If they drink, the kids will drink and the kids always seem to know someone of legal age that will buy for them. They then binge drink to get as drunk as possible and that is when tragedy strikes either by driving drunk or in some cases Alcohol poisoning.
Maybe it’s just me…but I got the impression Dave was being sarcastic about banning alcohol.
But I absolutely agree that the problem rests with parents. The author of this study is quoted as putting the onus on the alcohol companies, saying that they “need to take immediate action to reduce the appeal of their products to youth.” Seriously?
I was being sarcastic about trhing prohibition again.
Dave, Isn’t Jack Daniels still made in Kentucky? Isn’t it still the largest bourbon distillery in the US?
1. Jack Daniels is NOT bourbon.
2. Jack Daniels is made in Tennessee. In a dry county.
Yes, Jack Daniels is bourbon, or at least it meets the requirements to be labeled as bourbon. The company chooses not to market it as bourbon.
No. “Bourbon” is only made in Kentucky.
I don’t know what to tell you, jw. There is no legal requirement that bourbon be made in Kentucky. I’m not sure if it was true at one point or is simply a myth perpetuated by the Kentucky bourbon distillers.
All bourbon is whiskey (or whisky if you’re Irish), but not all whiskey is bourbon. I think “bourbon” is a USA thing, and needs to be mostly distilled from corn. Ask the folks in Bourbon county, Kentucky.
Jack Daniels might meet the US qualifications for “bourbon”, but it any real devotee would be offended if you called it bourbon.
On another note, Boone’s farm and Annie Green Springs were OK for the run-of-the-mill Friday night, but it was Gallo Spanada for special occasions. Except of course when you were going out with Sally – she required the Sloe Gin. Lancers and Andre Cold Duck were for the old folks at Thanksgiving, and a stray bottle could be found in a pinch.
Jack Daniels is not bourbon because it’s charcoal-filtered. That’s the essential difference.
Bourbon does not have to be made in Kentucky.
Bourbon has to have a minimum of 51% corn in the grain bill, be made in the USA, distilled at no higher than 160 proof, aged in new oak barrels at no higher than 125 proof, and bottled at no less than 80 proof.
In terms of price/quality ratio, I think Blanton’s Single-Barrel is one of the best values.
So many experts on alcohol on this site. Bourbon/whiskey, take your pick. Underage kids should not have access to it. Bad things happen after midnight. I know because I have seen the claims and consequences of it for many years.
No Zima?
No Boone’s Farm?
Too funny CTC. Do they still make the stuff? That’s what my first drink was back in the early 70’s.
To Prankster below… we called MD “Mad Dog” because of it’s bite.
That’s exactly what I wanted to know!
Yes, the still do make Boones Farm, I’ve seen it in stores. Brings back a lot of memories of my drinking 101 days.
what’s the word? Thunderbird
what’s the price? Thirty twice!
How about mad dog 20-20 Mogan David.
Bali Hai?
Dont’ forget Mickey’s! The very cause for my “freshman-15” back in the day.
It doesn’t make sense to rid the airwaves of commercials, but we do sensationalize alcohol too much in this country. Exactly what are those Black Crown ads supposed to be telling me anyhow? That if I drink it, I get invited to some “Eyes Wide Shut” like Bourbon Street backbar party? I heard the stuff isn’t that good. Now, Stone’s Old Guardian recently released on the other hand…
It’s not good. It tastes like they mixed Bud Light Platinum with some Yuengling, then let it get stale.
I’m wondering where PBR and “beast” ice (aka Milwaukee’s Best Ice)fit on the list.
c’mon…anyone remember Vladimir vodka or Nikolai vodka? You could buy a gallon of either for about $5. They also doubled as a paint remover.
Ahhh…the MD 20-20 and the Boones Farm! I remember those days well. Well…almost!
They ought to pass a law against kids under 21 drinking alcohol. Isn’t legislation the cure for all of our social ills?
I see what you did there!
Since alcohol is responsible for these fatalities, Congress should pass a bill (so you can see what’s in it) to ban all alcoholic drinks, or the President should issue an Executive order to enact “alcohol control” regardless of age.
Been there, done that. How did that treat the country? Besdies, alcoholic drinks aren’t manufactured with the intent of killing. But, thanks for trying out, vl.
Does anyone really think that if the distilleries and breweries stopped marketing that kids wouldn’t drink alcohol anymore? Give me a break.
Probably would get worse, right youngin’? Part of the attraction is the fact it is a rebelious act because it is illegal for those under 21. I don’t think you see kids binge drinking like this in Germany, for example. They took away some of the appeal over there. I don’t see any Snoop Dog ads for chronic but we all know how prevalent that is with the youth. Heck, with Americans in general. Puff, puff, give, yo!
Yeah I agree. Teenagers push boundaries . . . it’s just what they do. Making something that adults obviously enjoy doing illegal for teenagers seems just about the most effective way of enticing the teenagers to do it. And the 21 thing is just stupid. An 18 year old is an adult, period.
Laws are the problem here, not the solution. You can’t prevent all bad things from happening and you can’t encourage personal responsibility by legislating all behavior.
Youngin, Our government is trying to legislate behavior at all levels since they seek control over our lives. Obamacare is the best example. Gun control is the next big issue. They think by confiscating weapons from the citizens that they can reduce gun violence. All that does is make it worse since the criminals will always have guns and don’t register them. You end up making law abiding citizens more vulnerable to the criminals. You can use Chicago as the prime example of very tough gun laws and they lead the world in murder and gun violence.
No, I don’t believe marketing affects underage drinking at all. If kids want to try alcohol, they will. Only parents can teach their kids about drinking responsibly.
They should teach drinking in school, just like they teach sex education. Legal age to drink should drop to same age as legal age to die in the military.
Sex ed in school hasn’t helped, as far as I can tell. I don’t imagine alcohol education would fare any better.
What do you mean? The teen pregnancy rate in the US has been dropping steadily since the 50s, with a big drop in the 90s after sex education was widely adopted.
Here is some statistical evidence which should prove more solid than, “…as far as I can tell.”
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/story/2012-04-09/CDC-teen-birth/54140178/1
http://health.usnews.com/health-news/news/articles/2012/06/20/us-teen-pregnancy-rate-continues-to-fall
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db89.pdf
I think I’ve read different statistics than you. Add to that the purely anecdotal evidence I see at the mall.
I don’t immediately see the correlation between the age reqruiement for military service and the minimum age to consume alcohol Dave in KY. Can you explain how the two are at all related? Does being eligible for military service automatically make someone capable of making responsible decisions regarding alcohol consumption?
Well, it is a little rude that kids can die for their country, but can’t have a drink legally.
Hi Phoenix,
My dad fought in Vietnam and basically says what what jw says. “I could go to another country and kill or be killed, but I couldn’t have a beer?” Doesn’t really make much sense. And I really think if you ask someone to become a trained killer, that takes a lot more responsibility that alcohol consumption. Maybe there isn’t a clear correlation but maybe we shouldn’t coddle our 18 year old “children” either.
Hi Dave,
I know when I was in school (6th grade) they had us go through D.A.R.E. (Drug and Alcohol Resistance Education), but that was it. Nothing by the time I got to high school. I don’t even know if they do D.A.R.E. anymore.
In the 70s, you could buy a six pack of Utica Club for 99 cents…The whiskey of choice was “President’s Club” $4.99 a fifth.
Ooh-Bali Hai. $1.25 a jug and you had to hold your nose to get it down
I don’t know about the rest of you, but all this talk makes me thirsty…..
Kids will always push the envelope. I am not sure they are drinking anymore than we did as teens in the 80’s.I think we hear more about it when they do thanks to smart phones etc.
I have a better idea a bit off subject. Lets take the lawyers ads off tv.
All 3 of my adopted kids have smoked cigarettes and tried alcohol when they were underage and neither of my natural children did. I’m not a smoker and am barely a social drinker and so is their mother. On the other hand my adopted kinds all had deep family roots in terms of substabce abuse. There is something to be said about how genetics can play a role in this.
And where I live, there are smoke shops who will sell single or something less than a pack to minors. Likewise, the theft of liquor from gorcery stores is such that at least 2 of the stores in my community-and I live in anice area have security gaurds who watch out at the liquor shelves. And also, I am of the generation who really grew up with drugs and alcohol in the 70’s and 80’s. Our kids see what we are still doing and imitate it. Its sad as this is by no means a victimless crime.
Bottom line on drinking underage and MOST every other topic of a heated discussion involving children: Lack of responsibility from Parents.
No longer are parents teaching their children how to be responsible for their actions or how to actually be a functioning member of society. They blame others – police, teachers, government, big name companies, sports, celebrities – you name it.
It’s not the their fault and apparently not their problem. Sad.
It’s the zombie article apocalypse!
The neo-prohibitionist zealots funded by our tax dollars come up with another useless study. How old does one have to be to do any of the following:
Go to war to protect this country
Enter into a contract
Marry and have children
Buy a house
Answer, in the majority of states you are deemed an adult at 18. Funny when you create a bad law that only serves to line the coffers of law enforcement and municipalities under the guise of safety, you get studies like this.
Underage? Hogwash. An adult that is 18 years old is not underage to consume an adult beverage. They are deemed an adult for every other activity except alcohol consumption. This study is worthless without the bad legislation that made it come out in the first place. Nannyists like MADD backed this garbage back in the 80’s. MADD has wasted 1 BILLION taxpayer dollars over the past 3 decades pushing bad legislation. Defund MADD, repeal the one law on the books that says you are not an adult at 18. Problem solved.