And to compound the US Government not receiving their due tax monies, the employer often doesn’t report this labor to their Workers’ Compensation and General Liability insurer; with both policies having their basis of payroll.
How about the worker? The FLSA would require that proeprly classified workers (employees rather that fake 1099s) would get overtime payment for the worker and have other taxes – payment made by the business and not bye them.
A client of mine in Central Florida has 53 FT employees and in talking with him just yesterday what do you think he said? Yep, he will be letting 4 FT employees go to get under that magic number of 50 and try to stay there until as long as he can.
Being going on in the insurance business for years while the government looked the other way and now all of sudden they see the lost revenue for the govt???? What about the wrongfully classified individuals and there lost revenue and damages….Does the govt of the people care about them and their lost revenues and damages???
Going to the Federal DOL (and also the State and Federal IRS) would likely yield better results. Also your state might not have a DOL – or a very weak one.
I was expecting a LOL after your comment. Apparently you don’t get out of the office much and onto jobsites. There are a lot of laborers and other workers there that are not on anyone’s payroll report because they are illegals and contractors will continue to use them until the federal government installs e-verify or a better method to track legal employees.
I also blame the businesses that continue to hire illegals and pay them under the table. Biggest offenders that I see, landscapers.
I am not disagreeing with what you are saying but landscapers have a problem in that they cannot afford to pay prevailing wage and find anyone else willing to work at reduced wages. As long as the public will not pay more than $250 for that tree or more than $50 to get their grass cut, landscapers cannot operate at a profit without utilizing “illegals”
Besides all the revenue and insurance premium lost, hiring employees under the table, typically at a lower salary with no benefits, and then not paying insurance and taxes, lowers operating costs drastically which allows companies to submit lowers bids for contracts. This is very discouraging and puts companies who play by the rules at a huge disadvantage. I hope the government fines companies as much as possible or takes away their license or permits for “hiding” employees.
I started working for wallace builders llc and when i started he said we HAD to file 1099 as he was just getting his bussiness going and couldnt afford the taxes to be payroll but said we would go payroll asap..he told us technically we were 1099 but we had to do exactly what he told us to do and be there certain hours he said technically we make our own hors but technically if we dont work 8am-430pm we are fired..i had some comercial carpentry experience but never framed a house in my life so he did all training on site..he even made us wear company t-shirts in the summer and sweatshirts in the winter to show we worked for him..i was let go not from anything i did wrong with my work or from not being there as i never was late never no called no showed and always did exactly what i was told and this was after a little over a year! i was let go because of an argument i had got into with another employee..now with all that said im left with nothing and he never switched us to w2 employees like he said he would so now i cant file for unemployment benifits and i dont know what to do! Any help would be appreciated in this matter!
Mike, Unfortunately there is nothing we can do for you – this is an Insurance website, not a site for the government. I’d suggest you go to your state’s Department of Labor and lodge a complaint with them.
Is there any thing I can do if the state has gone after for no good reason ( wornig reasons) (I believe and is true) that deprived of 7 if not more of my employees livelihood that I was involved in last 22 years in NYS ( at l3ast at some times).
And to compound the US Government not receiving their due tax monies, the employer often doesn’t report this labor to their Workers’ Compensation and General Liability insurer; with both policies having their basis of payroll.
How about the worker? The FLSA would require that proeprly classified workers (employees rather that fake 1099s) would get overtime payment for the worker and have other taxes – payment made by the business and not bye them.
They “wrongly” misclassified workers? How about they fraudulently misclassified workers.
Will be more of this activity so employers can reduce their full time work force number to stay under 50 employees.
A client of mine in Central Florida has 53 FT employees and in talking with him just yesterday what do you think he said? Yep, he will be letting 4 FT employees go to get under that magic number of 50 and try to stay there until as long as he can.
Also, if the worker is a 1099 ‘independent contractor’ no need to get an I9. Hire all the illegal immigrant labor you can.
Being going on in the insurance business for years while the government looked the other way and now all of sudden they see the lost revenue for the govt???? What about the wrongfully classified individuals and there lost revenue and damages….Does the govt of the people care about them and their lost revenues and damages???
Larry, its not all of a sudden. Been seeing this numerous times over the years…
Going to the Federal DOL (and also the State and Federal IRS) would likely yield better results. Also your state might not have a DOL – or a very weak one.
This type of thing does NOT happen in Florida though.
MelsEinstein,
I was expecting a LOL after your comment. Apparently you don’t get out of the office much and onto jobsites. There are a lot of laborers and other workers there that are not on anyone’s payroll report because they are illegals and contractors will continue to use them until the federal government installs e-verify or a better method to track legal employees.
I also blame the businesses that continue to hire illegals and pay them under the table. Biggest offenders that I see, landscapers.
Mike,
I am not disagreeing with what you are saying but landscapers have a problem in that they cannot afford to pay prevailing wage and find anyone else willing to work at reduced wages. As long as the public will not pay more than $250 for that tree or more than $50 to get their grass cut, landscapers cannot operate at a profit without utilizing “illegals”
Besides all the revenue and insurance premium lost, hiring employees under the table, typically at a lower salary with no benefits, and then not paying insurance and taxes, lowers operating costs drastically which allows companies to submit lowers bids for contracts. This is very discouraging and puts companies who play by the rules at a huge disadvantage. I hope the government fines companies as much as possible or takes away their license or permits for “hiding” employees.
I started working for wallace builders llc and when i started he said we HAD to file 1099 as he was just getting his bussiness going and couldnt afford the taxes to be payroll but said we would go payroll asap..he told us technically we were 1099 but we had to do exactly what he told us to do and be there certain hours he said technically we make our own hors but technically if we dont work 8am-430pm we are fired..i had some comercial carpentry experience but never framed a house in my life so he did all training on site..he even made us wear company t-shirts in the summer and sweatshirts in the winter to show we worked for him..i was let go not from anything i did wrong with my work or from not being there as i never was late never no called no showed and always did exactly what i was told and this was after a little over a year! i was let go because of an argument i had got into with another employee..now with all that said im left with nothing and he never switched us to w2 employees like he said he would so now i cant file for unemployment benifits and i dont know what to do! Any help would be appreciated in this matter!
file a complaint with Labour and Industries; …ask their Customer service specialists to refer you to an ‘Industrial Relations Agent ‘
Mike, Unfortunately there is nothing we can do for you – this is an Insurance website, not a site for the government. I’d suggest you go to your state’s Department of Labor and lodge a complaint with them.
Is there any thing I can do if the state has gone after for no good reason ( wornig reasons) (I believe and is true) that deprived of 7 if not more of my employees livelihood that I was involved in last 22 years in NYS ( at l3ast at some times).