Clinton, Democrats Pressure White House to Amend Healthcare Law

By Roberta Rampton and Thomas Ferraro | November 13, 2013

  • November 13, 2013 at 9:55 am
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    Am I the only one absolutely shocked that at 9:54 AM there are not at least 300 comments on this article???

    • November 13, 2013 at 11:03 am
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      Strange bedfellows, aint it?

    • November 13, 2013 at 12:57 pm
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      I’m shocked. Sadly, I’ll be more shocked by bipartisan cooperations to fix this thing. I’m talking about the democrats, by the way. I think, the republicans can take a less aggressive approach on this wave of changes and the dems will almost HAVE to take it. Otherwise the dems are toast next election.

      If the repubs will just fix the worst issues, then wait a while and see what is the next most troublesome part, they can slowly change the ACA. Maybe even get rid of it by the end of the process. Or, at least remove the sections causing the problems.

      • November 13, 2013 at 2:56 pm
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        You are right jw. Every house member and every Democratic Senator who voted for this travesty are directly in the cross hairs in the next election cycle. They will face primary challenges only to face a Republican in the general election who will point out every day that they voted for it and didn’t fix it. I can only imagine some of the town halls with angry voters.

        • November 13, 2013 at 5:45 pm
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          I hope they point it out, over and over and over again. Let no one forget where this came from, who hired the contractors that completely and totally messed this up, who hired the directors that were in charge of the oversite who knew nothing, who covered for Sebilius, Obama and all the others.

    • November 13, 2013 at 1:57 pm
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      This is all Bush’s fault!

      • November 13, 2013 at 2:59 pm
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    • November 13, 2013 at 2:19 pm
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      Don’t worry ralph, there will be 500 or more comments within a few days.

  • November 13, 2013 at 11:03 am
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    • November 13, 2013 at 1:47 pm
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      Wrong Celtica. Shut it down, turn it off, start from scratch. And do it in a bipartisan matter with input from both sides of the aisle unlike the initial abortion formed only in the minds of Democrats. Unless of course you are the one digging in your heels and want to start from the place of a law written by ONE party. Put the shoe on the other foot for once in your life and think about how you’d react if a bad law was forced down your throat by the Republicans and you were asked to negotiate from there. You’re a liar, much like your President, if you say you would agree to that.

      • November 13, 2013 at 1:52 pm
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        • November 13, 2013 at 2:12 pm
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          Sorry Libby, please name a law where nobody in the other party voted for it.

        • November 13, 2013 at 2:16 pm
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          Libby, Many laws have been written by one party, but can you cite on law prior to Obamacare that didn’t have one vote from one party in either the House or Senate? This ill conceived law was rammed down the American People’s throat on strictly a partisan basis without our consent or approval. The only way to fix this is to scrap it and start over again, this time with bi-partisan support. Every mandate should go and offer different plans based on what the people actually want, not just offer deductible options or out of pocket maximums on the same basic mandated coverages.

          • November 13, 2013 at 2:21 pm
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        • November 13, 2013 at 2:21 pm
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          Libby, read the article and listen to your president and his boy, Carney. He is not going to negotiate. This bill is so bad it can’t be “fixed?. The goal is for the government to provide all medical care so he can’t really fix it with that goal in mind.

          • November 13, 2013 at 2:24 pm
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          • November 13, 2013 at 2:31 pm
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            Libby, the law you have liked is full of mandates for Individuals and Business. The mandates have to go, PERIOD. Options is what people want. Let them make up their own mind what kind of policy they want. Back in the day, we sold 4 different Individual policies with Blue Cross with Co-pays, prescription cards, maximum out of pocket and numerous deductibles. The idea is either good, better or best and let the customer decide, not what the government mandates they should have.

          • November 13, 2013 at 2:44 pm
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          • November 15, 2013 at 9:20 am
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            I find it quite stunning the US Govt. could not create a website capable of handling this. United Healthcare doesn’t have this problem with their site, nor does Aetna. For that matter, neither does 99% of the websites belonging to large entities. Obama had one thing to get correct and he didn’t do it. Again.

            For what it’s worth, has anyone checked out the prices online? WOW… In MO, for just myself, I have only two options. I have more options than that by avoiding Obamacare altogether. My two options, and neither are of the ‘gold’ variety, are both DOUBLE what I currently pay. I am fortunate to have a solid paying career. How could someone who makes under $40k (most of this area) possibly afford the “affordable health care act”??? They can’t, which is why they aren’t signing up. There is nothing affordable about this. It is almost $400 per month for a non-gold plan for a 39 year old male in this area. How is that affordable by anyones standard?

            My prediction – The wealthier, and healthier, will be ok. The people who truly need this healthcare (cancer patients and others being denied medical coverage elsewhere) will be a MASSIVE drain on this system and the rates will continually increase in 2015 and beyond. With not enough younger, and healthier, patients signing up, there is no where for the rates to go but up. In order to “level the playing field”, watch and see if this doesn’t become an act that is forced upon all of us. It is the only way they could ever make it work. And by work, I mean the only way they can continually screw the working people in this country. This act hasn’t helped any of the working poor. It has done nothing but divide the gap even further between the upper middle class and the flat out broke. 2016 can’t get here soon enough.

        • November 13, 2013 at 2:58 pm
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          This has NOTHING to do with Right/left. Fact is:
          O B A M A L I E D!
          He has egg on his face. His own party helped slap it on.
          Get real, Libby. As the poem goes: “Your messiah ia a Lia”.

      • November 13, 2013 at 2:58 pm
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        • November 13, 2013 at 9:06 pm
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          Why should Republicans help Democrats with the mess they made? Oh, because of all the cancer patients who are losing their coverage, that’s why. So we will help your lame butts out.

        • November 18, 2013 at 11:10 am
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          Celtica the Supreme Court said OBAMACARE IS A TAX (UNDERSCORE, BOLD, ITALICS). Why is it that not one Dem wants to consider the easier more cost effective way by OPENING UP COMPETITION ACROSS STATE LINES??? Because that would mean they can’t control the masses and force the Democratic vote for dependency – think welfare state that keeps them in business.

      • November 13, 2013 at 7:59 pm
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        Dave, that’s the problem, though. Because there are so many dems still in a position to scuttle dismantling the ACA, the opposition has to start small. I agree, this law is not the answer, unfortunately, not enough people see it that way. So, take it apart a little at a time. The whole ‘how do you eat an elephant’ quiz.

        • November 14, 2013 at 12:09 pm
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          jw, I think they have a good start in dismantling this travesty when Slick Willy came out and Diane Feinstein. Supposedly, they are big players in the Democratic Party and will feed the other Democrats to demand action. They are definitely in a feeding frenzy with their jobs on the line. The voters are going to fit them with cement boots and they will end up at the bottom of the Potomac if they don’t turn this around real soon. What a nightmare for the American People!

    • November 13, 2013 at 3:24 pm
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      Only problem: OBAMA DOES NOT WANT REPUBLICAN’S HELP. He demonstrated this during the whole “Republican Shutdown” where he refused to entertaining even DELAYING the ACA. He wanted to blame them for being “obstructionists” and would sooner negotiate with Iran or Syria before the Republicans. Had the ACA been even mildly successful in its rollout, he would have bathed in its glory. It will be tough for him to recover from this one, even some of his staunchest supporters are distancing themselves.

      • November 13, 2013 at 4:37 pm
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        Couldn’t agree more, Ralph. He’s playing politics instead of doing what’s right for the American people.

        • November 13, 2013 at 5:48 pm
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          I agree Becky. He is out on the campaign trail flying AF1 at our expense still telling his shrinking worshippers that everything is going to be ok and to get on the site and get their coverage. I wonder if he will heed Slick Willy & Feinstein’s advice about trying to do a fix. There is one thing about a trainwreck. It has a lot of momentum and makes a hell of a mess when it crashes.

      • November 13, 2013 at 8:06 pm
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        Now that the problems are multiplying, and those up for reelection are panicking, the house and senate could override a veto (in theory) if they can come to any agreement.

  • November 13, 2013 at 1:39 pm
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    What is broken is the whole thing. All parts.It is ill-conceived, except as a malicious temporary vehicle towards single payer.

    1) Forcing insurers to insure burning barns, at rates same as non-burning ones.

    2) Forcing insurers to provide policies that insureds don’t want, for higher prices, to subsidize #1, resulting in fewer insurance bought and sold.

    3) Forcing people to buy insurance even if they don’t want it, to subsidize #1 and #2 above.

    4) Using taxpayer money to pay for those in item #3 above, for those who are FOD’s, friends of Democracts.

    Bad policy, bad implementation, bad financial projections.

    In other words, situation normal for Democrats.

    • November 13, 2013 at 1:58 pm
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      Dandy, you’re speaking like an intelligent and informed person. Neither the people who crafted this law nor many who post here can say the same so much of what you say is falling on deaf or dumb ears. But thanks for trying.

      • November 13, 2013 at 2:23 pm
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        Hey Dave, I heard on the news that the White House is going to send 275,000 emails out to frustrated applicants inviting them to come back to the website. Of course, they don’t have any guarantees that security has been installed to protect personal information. It is interesting seeing Carney doing his two step and promising the web site fix will be finished by the end of the month. With the credibility of this White House at nearing 0, I think people will be reluctant to go back and try again unless there is a major breakthrough and that appears to be unlikely.

    • November 13, 2013 at 3:01 pm
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      Libby, what part of common sense do you not understand? We don’t want mandates, period. We want government out of the healthcare business altogether. We want competition between companies. We want options to select the plans we want, not what government mandates that we should have. You are showing your idiotic side once again.

      • November 13, 2013 at 3:44 pm
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        • November 13, 2013 at 5:09 pm
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          Yes, the voters give a “mandate” to their elected leaders to “do something.” But the “something” we give them a “mandate” “to do” is NOT to then turn around and mandate US to do something. They are supposed to SERVE us, not the other way around. We are THEIR bosses, they work for US. They are not supposed to act like they have more power over us than we do over them. That’s not what we “mandated” them “to do” when we elected them.

          • November 13, 2013 at 5:51 pm
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            Connie, you are right, but Progressives always think they are the smartest people in the room and therefore think they can dictate to the American People and we just have to go along with it. Now, this has blown up in their face and they are in full panic mode. The shellacking of 2010 will be mild by comparison to 2014.

  • November 13, 2013 at 1:47 pm
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    DemocratCare – Passed by Democrats, owned by Democrats. They can’t run from it now.

    • November 13, 2013 at 2:02 pm
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      Good point Scott. The Democrtas own this much like Bush owned Iraq. Not everything in Iraq was bad. The world without the other Hussein is a much better place, a fact ignored by the Dems. So they bashed Bush relentlessly. Now they can expect the same in return even if there are some good things about Obamcare, which I find hard to find.

      • November 13, 2013 at 2:22 pm
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      • November 13, 2013 at 5:18 pm
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        Let’s not forget the billions Obama give to the Muslim Brotherhood either, Celtica. You know, that terrorist organization that we now have people who work in congress belonging too. Nice – gives me the warm and fuzzies.

        • November 13, 2013 at 5:54 pm
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          Actually Always, giving aid and comfort to the enemies of the US like the Muslim Brotherhood and the Al Quida terrorists in Syria would be enough to call for the Articles of Impeachment. When will someone in the house start proceedings? Will the approval rating have to dip into the 20′s before someone steps out?

      • November 13, 2013 at 5:29 pm
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        And your tiny little mind forgets that Obama called Afghanistan “the good war”. He owns it too. As well as Hillary Clinton and John Kerry who both voted for both wars.

  • November 13, 2013 at 1:47 pm
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    This will never happen … MUCH MUCH TOO LITTLE WAYY EXTREMELY TOO LATE.

    Rather pathetic that they are focusing on something so insignificant … AMERICAN PEOPLE … You are being forced to purchase a product. PERIOD THE END … the Supreme Court should be SHOT allowing this to play out the way it has …

    The Supreme Court is to uphold freedoms and liberties and this new legislation TRAMPLES RIGHT OVER THE TOP OF THEM.

    Forget OBAMA … What about our ‘ALMIGHTY SYSTEM’, that has failed us ???

    • November 13, 2013 at 2:11 pm
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      Agent B, be careful in your trashing of the Supreme Court. Justice Roberts is a genious. He crafted his decision in such a way as to sink Obamacare. If you remember, the Democrats were talking out of both sides of their mouth (much like they always do) when arguing for it. They referred to it as a penalty one day and as tax another day. Justice Roberts accepted it as a “tax”. Any penalty that a non-buyer of Obamacare pays is deemed a “tax”. If not, the whole thing collapses. It is becoming more and more apparent that millions out there will pay the “tax” rather than buy Obamcare. Which means the Democrats will have to raise the “tax” so it is more like a penalty so more people will be forced to buy it. Well if they do that, the “tax” becomes a “penalty” and they whole thing falls apart as unconstitutional. Just watch, and remember where you heard it first.

      • November 13, 2013 at 2:22 pm
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        Yes, I can see your point and YES, I applaud Justice Roberts intelligence.

        However,

        Justice Roberts, should have stood up for the American people instead of being a FENCE RIDING politician that did not want to ruffle any feathers amongst his colleagues.

        His inaction has put us in the situation that we are in …

        The fact is, that he knew this was going to happen and didn’t have the GUMPTION to stand up for it … instead he chooses the WEAK submissive, lethargic approach.

        That is half of what’s wrong with our country, not enough people willing to stand up for what is right … people want to shrug their shoulders and say …

        Well you know … It will work itself out.

        I wonder where our country would be if our forefathers would have sat idly by and let Britain imposed it’s nightmarish rule on the colonies … ???

        What we need is the American people to rise up and say enough is enough … and have another Boston Insurance Party …

        • November 13, 2013 at 2:26 pm
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          Had Roberts managed to get the law ruled unconstitutional, Congress and the Administration might have been forced to come together to work out an alternative to this outrage by now. All he did was give them the tacit approval to proceed with screwing the American People. By the way, the Supreme Court is not on Obamacare.

          • November 13, 2013 at 4:02 pm
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          • November 13, 2013 at 2:42 pm
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            Libby, “Wha we did not vote for was a Congress that would be at each other’s throats and total gridlock…” You knew after obama’s first 4 years that he was not going to negotiate with Republicans on anything. Uninformed voters didn’t bother to read what is in obamacare, they were wanting a handout and that is what got him reelected…that and the illegal aliens that are allowed to vote in so many states. Not many wanted to know who this man was or what he stood for but they did understand that he would see to it that they got handouts.

          • November 13, 2013 at 2:47 pm
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          • November 13, 2013 at 2:51 pm
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            Libby,

            I do believe like you that the American ‘Voters’ were hoping for the best when they cast their ballots for the last two presidential races.

            Just remember that “CONTROL BREEDS DEPENDABILITY” and the more “CONTROL” we give to the government the worse our country is going to become.

          • November 13, 2013 at 5:23 pm
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            Agent B, you are speaking concepts well above the ability of Libby to understand.

        • November 13, 2013 at 3:53 pm
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          • November 13, 2013 at 5:00 pm
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            If Roberts had thrown it out then the Democrats wouldn’t be in this mess – it appears this backdoor approach might have been the best way to reward, in your view, “his Republican brethern” Tea anyone?

        • November 13, 2013 at 5:27 pm
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          Agent B, I guess we’ll see how all this works out when the “tax” is not punitive enough to force enough people to buy it which then forces them to raise it so it hurts and then it becomes a “penalty” which then makes Obamacare unconstitutional. Unless they don’t raise the tax/penalty and then Obamacare collapses on itself. Brilliant!

      • November 13, 2013 at 2:23 pm
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        I so hope you are right, Dave.

      • November 13, 2013 at 3:46 pm
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        • November 13, 2013 at 5:21 pm
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          $90 will fund medical care for others? Where did you learn math? Math for Moronic Democrats? Another meaningless post.

          • November 13, 2013 at 5:57 pm
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            She was a student of the new Core Curriculum that is being installed in the public schools. 2+2=3 to them.

  • November 13, 2013 at 1:50 pm
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    We are clearly trading one group of “uninsured” for another. What have we accomplished except that the new group of uninsured (those who had coverage in the past and were able to pay for that or had it through employment) are better able to pay the fines when they decide they cannot afford the newer “better” higher priced plans.
    I think the Republicans should sit back and let it implode. It was not going to work from the beginning but people buried their heads in the sand.

  • November 13, 2013 at 1:54 pm
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    15 million have lost their health insurance. Who thinks that if the Federal Government says never mind on that requirement on coverages portion of the Act, that any of the insurance companies are going to say; “OK we will keep insuring these people”?
    The Affordable Health care Act; 1) Is NOT Affordable, 2) Is going to put our country into bankrupsy, the enrollee’s that are going to pay for it are not signing up, 3) Program should have never been passed and those that voted for it should be identifies and voted out of office.
    Health Insurance Companies had done things correctly based upon experience. What was in place could have been adjusted instead of just discarded.

  • November 13, 2013 at 1:56 pm
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    Anything outside the customer buying a product or service directly from the provider is ultimately perverse and will have a negative effect on prices. Whenever any third party pays a bill, costs will rise due to a lack of downward force on prices by the consumer and market. This is even worse when the taxpayer pays since the cost is hidden (through inflation of the currency). We are now many decades into the government pouring money into the healthcare markets through various means and the price distortions have become massive. It’s no surprise that we are now on the verge of a complete takeover of our healthcare markets on par with banana republics. I guess this will match the rising police state found in banana republics that is forming in the name of terror protection. The founders were smart men and they did all that they could to keep us from destroying ourselves through government but I think that we can finally say that the system has failed and we are nearly returned to the primitive totalitarian government controlled economies of the past which can only bring suffering and poverty. It’s only a matter of time unless there is a serious change in direction.

    • November 13, 2013 at 5:18 pm
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      Silent, you sound as though you understand basic economics, something the President and many on this board are totally clueless about. But thanks for your efforts to educate the ignorant.

      • November 13, 2013 at 6:01 pm
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        I agree Dave. I have been criticized for being wrong 100% of the time by Libby, Celtica & Ron for espousing Conservative fiscal responsibility. They are all big Progressive Socialists who like John Maynard Keynes and the big government spending that has got us in a $17 Trillion hole. Just wait until we get all these Medicaid enrollees into the mix and see how the deficit balloons.

        • November 13, 2013 at 9:17 pm
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          100,000 people with a policy in their shopping cart, and 400,000 shifted to the states dime in Medicaid. They are the only ones who’ve “purchased”. Now your state taxes can go up to compensate. It reeks of his promise to redistribute wealth. The man is sick.

        • November 14, 2013 at 9:02 am
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          • November 14, 2013 at 11:24 am
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            Hey Libby, try reading the headlines of the real news sometime and get your head out of MSNBC & Huffington Post. Everything I have predicted about this disaster is coming true. Even those Democrats that voted for it are bailing. You, however are still arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Even the Democ(rats) know when to abandon ship.

          • November 14, 2013 at 12:37 pm
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            I don’t read Huffington Post, Agent.

          • November 14, 2013 at 4:01 pm
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            Libby, I think there are those on this blog who would disagree with you. You are the one on the wrong side of issues along with Celtica. Why do you think you lead the league in thumb downs? You even admitted you were wrong in the other article. You need to resolve your inner conflicts. I have always been puzzled by you saying you were fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Don’t you know that is mixing oil and water? Liberalism is a disease. Is it covered by Obamacare?

          • November 14, 2013 at 4:24 pm
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            Agent – you may say I’m on the wrong side of issues, but that is only your opinion.

            When you post FACTS and STATEMENTS that when checked are totally incorrect, that makes you WRONG.

            I have no inner conflicts. I am fiscally conservative and do not like many things going on in our government. I do, unlike you, blame both sides. I admitted I was wrong about the ACA, but still am in favor of healthcare reform. I am concerned about the debt, am in favor of smaller government, and would like to see tax reform. That’s my conservative side (fiscally).

            I am for gay rights, women’s rights, equality for all, and am pro-choice. I want equal access to healthcare for every American as I think that is one of our inalienable rights. That is my liberal side.

            To give you an example how someone can be both: I am for giving a helping hand to someone in need, but am not in favor of them taking advantage of it. I think welfare programs (including corporate welfare) need to be reformed.

            If you can’t understand my position, you are just a dolt. I explained it to you 100 times. But you don’t listen and just continue to parrot the same 5 to 10 points you always do. You really need to get an imagination and a new schtick. You’re wearing me out.

          • November 15, 2013 at 7:16 am
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            Agent, this is one of those times Libby and I are in total agreement.

            By the way, she has consistantly said she is for a smaller government. I think she may have even listed various items that she would cut if given the chance.

            It is feasible to be socially considerate and fiscally conservative. Equality doesn’t cost the governement anything, and that is what we want.

            The ACA is a mess. I don’t know if it’s enough of a mess to get voters to the polls. You can’t depend on the voters to make sweeping changes. I think that was one of the surprises of 2012. The politicians in power now need to figure out a fix, even if it’s only a little at a time.

            I agree the mandated coverages are the biggest problem. Dropping those would save money on lawsuits and allow people to keep their insurance. I’m asking for a miracle, expecting the house and senate to do this.

      • November 14, 2013 at 8:56 am
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        • November 14, 2013 at 5:58 pm
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          Libby and Celtica,

          Here’s Obamacare in nutshell:

          Force people to buy crap they don’t want to buy, need to buy or cannot afford. Overcharge them for it too so Obama can give your money to someone else to buy the crap they don’t want to buy, or need to buy, that is overpriced and unaffordable, or to someone too lazy to work or too stupid to trade the SUV and flat panel for a used sedan to afford what they really need.

          I’m going to “subsidize” anyone who makes under 90k so they can buy crap they don’t want or need???

          Seriously you think this is a good law??????? Fix it???? Burn it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • November 18, 2013 at 5:00 pm
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          jw, I hate to tell you this, but fiscal conservatism does not go hand in hand with Progressive Socialism. You cannot have a smaller government and then try to do everything for everyone. Ever try to mix oil and water? What have you got? I do agree that ACA is the mother of all messes. This cannot be fixed a little at a time when the fundamental premise of it is wrong. This isn’t just a website glitch, but a mandate problem. Those mandates have got to go. No insurance company can leave them in and make a go of it since they will be picking up so much more exposure. Premiums will continue to skyrocket as more sick people enroll and the young are giving it a wide berth.

    • November 14, 2013 at 7:21 am
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      Finally, an explanation I can understand. Thank you, silentboom.

  • November 13, 2013 at 2:09 pm
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    What does this tell you … PCIP.GOV … this is the website that the government opened up when the PPACA ACT was first approved. They only intended to keep this plan in place for 2-3 years until 01/01/2014 when the new law took full force and there would be no need for the PCIP.GOV (Precondition Insurance Plan)

    This plan ran out of money in less than 18 months … yet we are going to let the government handle our healthcare from here forward … Like some rednecks down in the South say …

    “THERE’S YOUR SIGN”

    • November 14, 2013 at 6:00 pm
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      Yes, and did you catch Obama today when he said “it’s the way the federal government contracts for IT Services” in explaining why their IT crew sucks?? Does he think that will make people feel better?? They can’t develop a website but they can manage a fifth of the economy???????

      • November 18, 2013 at 4:54 pm
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        When you contract for services by rewarding cronies, that usually doesn’t work out so well. By the time they get this site fixed or re-designed, it will cost taxpayers north of $1 billion. He also admitted it was “complicated” which is obviously above his pay grade. If Health Insurance is that complicated, how about hiring the best and brightest to start with? They had 3 1/2 years to do this and look what we got.

  • November 13, 2013 at 2:19 pm
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    Interesting that a former President needs to remind a current President to keep his word. Weird.

    Also, irrelevant entirely. The great minority Americans covered by commercially procured insurance are in the individual marketplace. This squeaky wheel caught the media’s attention but the true majority of us covered by insurance are covered by plans procured through employers in the group market.

    Of those, the majority are covered through small group plans. Turns out that in many states carriers stopped offering PPACA non-compliant plans for all renewals immediately after the passage of the law in 2010. That’s right. No opportunity to grandfather a plan if the plan is no longer offered by carrier. That is the case for nearly every single small group in the state of PA.

    How does the Presidential brain trust propose that we undo that?

    Oh, and for those looking forward to fewer bumps in the road, consider all the association plans who took advantage of early renewals. For many of these very large groups of employees, November of 2014 will be the great day of reckoning. Indeed, these plans have too been banished by PPACA and will no longer exist thereafter, leaving enrolled members with, you guessed it, no ability to keep what they had if they liked it.

    For the relatively few large employers who decided to grandfather plans, they are stuck in a horrid limbo. Nearly no changes can be made to plan or cost to employee. And so, you can keep it but you cannot afford to keep it so you really cannot keep it.

    Politics are irrelevant to this argument. There was never a time where people were truly allowed to keep what they had. Never.

  • November 13, 2013 at 2:56 pm
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    What I do not understand is how we “The American People” are forced to buy this plan and be covered by the plan, but our president and politicians are exempt, and they can continue on with their elite coverage. I think everyone from the President down should be subject to the same policy and coverage.

    • November 13, 2013 at 3:00 pm
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      You are actually inaccurate upon saying that Congress is not subject to the Exchanges or Marketplace.

      The new law states that Congress must in fact use the exchange, however their staff can pick to be either in or out of the exchange on a case by case basis.

    • November 13, 2013 at 3:48 pm
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      • November 13, 2013 at 5:11 pm
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        Again, no Celtica. Let’s not start from the place of a one-sided piece of legislation 100% crafted by Democrats. Let’s abolish the whole thing and come to a bipartisan agreement on a new plan. Unless of course you support one party dictatorial rule, which you probably do.

        • November 13, 2013 at 5:32 pm
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  • November 13, 2013 at 3:13 pm
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    Passing a bill to let people keep what they have? That ship has sailed. Companies for the most part would be foolish to reinstate a cancelled program without protection against adverse selection -especially if it turns out to be an exemption for only for a year. A permanent fix to allow people to return to their old policies indefinitely would mean that none of the Obama care mandates for coverage would be defensible. It is a mess and all Obama’s horses and all Obama’s people cannot put it back together again. Jimmy Carter can now pass on the title of the worst ever American President.

    • November 13, 2013 at 4:31 pm
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      Hey Original, the health insurance carriers spent 3 1/2 years programming their computers and complying with the 12,000 pages of regulations and spent millions doing it. Now, the government wants them to belay their cancellations and rescind the ones sent out at a cost of many more millions? Then, they have to cover all the PreX crowd clamoring for coverage with no adverse selection protection. Hmm! How fast can they ask for subsidies to stay in business? By the way, I saw that the government announced that they had 106,000 applicants on the various state exchanges and the ill fated unsecure healthcare.gov. I wonder how many of those were moved over into Medicaid. Probably 70-80% at a minimum.

      • November 13, 2013 at 4:44 pm
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        The numbers I’ve seen are closer to 90%. With 36 States participating that’s 2,900 applicants per state, all but 290 of them going into Medicaid. I’m underwhelmed.

      • November 13, 2013 at 9:39 pm
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        It was 106000 signed up (in the shopping cart). 80% shopped through state exchanges and 20% through healthcare.gov. There were an addition 396,000 qualified for medicaid. If there are four times the amount of people qualified for medicaid than obamacare, they themselves admitted early on that was not good………….states will suffer and state taxes. AGain, why I am glad my state opted out of exchanges…our state taxes will not get hit and we let the feds figure it out. Question is how long it will be before the insurers pull off the exchanges as a distribution system and stop writing there???? no carriers, no obamacare.

  • November 13, 2013 at 4:45 pm
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    So the liar in charge screwed up the healthcare system for 85% of Americans to give 15% the opportunity to buy healthcare coverage. But instead he let 15% that had healthcare coverage lose it and can’t get the 15% he wanted on it even sign up for coverage. Hmmmm. Does that mean we now have close to 30%, maybe more without health insurance?
    I have said all along it is bad legislation. Kill it and go back and leave the 85% who have it alone and find a more economical way to provide an expanded version of Medicaid to those who don’t have it but can pay something for it.

  • November 13, 2013 at 4:47 pm
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    • November 13, 2013 at 5:13 pm
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      And admit he’s wrong? The word is not in his vocabulary. He’s a narcissist who can’t admit he’s ever done anything wrong.

      • November 13, 2013 at 5:33 pm
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      • November 13, 2013 at 5:54 pm
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        He will find a way to blame others. MSNBC will support him.

        • November 13, 2013 at 6:05 pm
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          We don’t have to worry about MSNBC because they have so few viewers, I think my local ABC station has more every day of the week.

    • November 13, 2013 at 9:40 pm
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      Obama is spineless and narcissistic at the same time, so that’s a toss up.

  • November 13, 2013 at 4:51 pm
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    Obamacare was to be a single-payer, government program all along, but since that wouldn’t have made it through even the two Democratically controlled houses back in 2010, a compromise was reached to keep private insurers in the mix. But, the language and the regulations substantially altered that part, as we are now seeing. Obama always wanted a single-payer plan and this problem of “unanticipated” cancellations of so many existing policies is the perfect opportunity to impose it. I predict he will first propose a law allowing the government to financially assist people whose policies are being cancelled and who either cannot afford Obamacare in its current form or who are very sick, need insurance right away, but cannot afford it, either. That proposal will not make it through the Republican-controlled House and Obama will once again call them obstructionists. But this time, he might be able to declare an emergency crisis and attempt to use an emergency executive order to solve it. Whether or not that works or the law continues as is, the working taxpayer will still bear the lion’s share of Obamacare costs in two ways: higher premiums and deductibles and additional taxes to make up for the inevitable shortfalls. (Wealth re-distribution, anyone?)

    Speaking of taxes, Obama has publicly stated many times that he’ll protect the middle class and not raise their taxes. Well, didn’t the Supreme Court rule that Obamacare is a tax? So, between those higher Obamacare premiums and deductibles, which include funding free and subsidized coverage for others, it looks like the working middle class is definitely going to be paying higher taxes. It looks like that promise is going in the same direction as “You can keep your current plan and your doctor. Period.”

    • November 13, 2013 at 4:54 pm
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      • November 13, 2013 at 5:16 pm
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        And that has what to do with this? Typical liberal, lose an argument or come up against a FACT you can’t refute so you change the topic. Saul Alinsky would be proud. But I won’t let you get away with it.

      • November 14, 2013 at 9:06 am
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        Sorry. I thought we were talking about liars.

  • November 13, 2013 at 4:54 pm
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    Here is a little irony for you, The liar in charge said that non US citizens would not be eligible for ACA- Lie. So get this:

    The woman that was on the Obamacare website is from Columbia and is not a US citizen. I guess they could not find an American model that satisfied them. And yes, she is eligible to sign up for Obamacare. Oops, another lie from the Lyin King. Check this out-

    http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/mystery-face-obamacare-speaks-bullying-20873348

    • November 13, 2013 at 5:42 pm
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      Sargeant, that was the height of irony. Let’s see, we had to hire a Canadian company to design the site for millions and got it screwed up and we had to hire a non citizen to be the model for the website for American Healthcare. What part of using American does this administration not understand? I’m sick of these people and some heads need to roll. When will they roll? Sebelius seems to still be showing up to do her thing. The web designers are still getting paid and they can’t fix it. How about some transparency and accountability and stop spinning like Carney does every day. Actions speak louder than words. Would tar and feathers be in the offing soon?

    • November 14, 2013 at 11:14 am
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      Hey Sargeant, before I forget it, congrats to your Max Scherzer winning the Cy Young this year. He is a true pitcher and the only one in the majors to win 20 games. How about Detroit trading him to Texas for next year? We have Yu Darvish and need another stud to put out there. The article I saw said Detroit may not be able to afford him which wouldn’t surprise me given the circumstances of the economy there.

      • November 14, 2013 at 11:48 am
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        My Diamondbacks used to have Scherzer, got rid of him because they thought he wouldn’t be durable. Sigh. I’m trying to picture a rotation with Scherzer and Corbin as the one-two at the top. Way to go, D-backs…..

      • November 14, 2013 at 9:11 pm
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        Agent, I think we need to peddle Prince Fielder and keep Scherzer. Not sure we can keep him unless we shed payroll and Prince is big payroll. Besides that we could replace Prince in the line up with Martinez and probably have a better team batting average. Scherzer will probably get 20 plus Mill in his next contract.
        If we had a closer in the playoffs or someone who had not collapsed, we would be hanging a Worlds Series banner at the park.

        • November 14, 2013 at 9:12 pm
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          Agent, Did you here Miguel Cabrera was named Al MVP?

          • November 18, 2013 at 4:43 pm
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            Yes, to have the Cy Young winner and MVP on the same team is amazing. They should have gone all the way. Boston is good as they proved in the series. Good to see the American league do well again.

        • November 18, 2013 at 4:47 pm
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          Sargeant, It has been proven many times that great pitching will beat great hitting just about every time. Sherzer and Verlander are great pitchers and should win most of the time if the hitters are even average. Look at what Oakland has done. They have great young pitching, an average hitting team, play good defense and keep beating people with about a $30 million payroll. What do the Yankees spend, $250 million and they don’t even make the playoffs? They must be the Democrats of baseball.

  • November 13, 2013 at 5:59 pm
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    Has anyone noticed the low profile being kept by Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi? Joe ‘This is a big F#$@#$% deal’ Biden is silent. I can hear the crickets from their offices.

    • November 13, 2013 at 6:08 pm
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      Harry & Nancy are hiding under their desk. They have Biden hiding out in Delaware somewhere and want him to keep his mouth shut.

      • November 14, 2013 at 2:59 pm
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        Hey TxLady, I saw a clip of Nancy on the podium giggling, waving her hands and saying “You have to think about belts and suspenders” for this fix. Ha, ha, ha! She thinks her Messiah can wave his wand and make it all better and order insurance companies to stop cancelling policies and re-instate 5 million of them in one swoop.

      • November 14, 2013 at 9:18 pm
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        I would say that Harry and Nancy have been in Saddam’s under ground bunker. The probably made a soldier give up his helmet rushed down the steps and closed the door. They are waiting for a Republican Blu 113 (bunker buster)- Ha

        • November 18, 2013 at 4:40 pm
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          Sargeant, They should drop Nancy & Harry off at Alcatraz and let them fish for their meals.

          By the way, sorry about your Lion’s game. I am not sure the coach made a wise decision faking a field goal late in the game and then fumbling the ball. It sure didn’t take long before the Steelers put the hurt on them after that. That play may be the dumbest I have seen in a while.

          • November 18, 2013 at 8:14 pm
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            Yes, the Lions can’t stand success. The fake field goal was bad. There is an old saying- “never take points off the board” and that is what the lions did and it cost them the game.

          • November 19, 2013 at 5:38 pm
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            Its ok Sarge. Pack cant beat anyone with out Rodgers. Bears are not walking away with it. Division is up for grabs!

    • November 14, 2013 at 12:02 pm
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      Didn’t they (or one of them) when asked say that they would read it after it passed. Maybe that’;s why theey’re so quiet – they’re reading it.

      • November 14, 2013 at 6:13 pm
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        Maybe they need to dumb it down. Ins Language can be so tricky.

      • November 18, 2013 at 4:36 pm
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        Hey Dandy, I wonder how long it would take to read this law and all the 12,000 pages of regulations. Even legal scholars have trouble with the language. I have tried to get through it several times and have to throw my hands up. The intention is clear though as a wealth re-distribution scheme which is sure to bankrupt the country. They ruined healthcare for 85% of the population in order to give more free stuff to the 15%. The enrollees are the sick and the Medicaid people so it is sure to exceed the $1.6 Trillion cost that was recently forecast.

  • November 13, 2013 at 6:27 pm
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    I can’t think of one thing in the ACA that I approve of. But the main this is a one size fits all insurance plan. I am 50 and my wife is 48, I think we are done having kids. Why do we need maternity care? And pediatric dental care? Our youngest is a senior in high school, think she is a little past pediatric dental. Just two of the 10 madatory items that really confuse me. But, if you like your plan you can keep. Thank God I am retired Air Force and can keep my Tricare Prime! And yes I pay for this, it is not free as I was promised.

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      Wyoming — Thank you for your service in the Air Force.

      I can think of two things right off the bat — your children will have insurance coverage until they finish college. And what if they developed a condition during this time that was then excluded in their employment career as a pre-existing condition? This pre-existing coverage allows people the freedom to change employers. Heaven forbid they were downsized through no fault of their own and the new employer could not or would not cover them? It removes a lot of uncertainly from people’s futures.

      • November 14, 2013 at 1:48 pm
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        But now I have to carry additional insurance for one daughter who is married and on her own. Tricare Prime will cover her for an additional $300 month on top of monthly premium. So, my wife took out insurance through her employer for one child even though she has not used it yet, she gets her care via Planned Parenthood at no cost to her. And thank God the wife can cover the daughter, I checked into ACA via the exchange and a comparable place would be over $1600 a month for my family. Real affordable!

        • November 14, 2013 at 1:52 pm
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          Why do you HAVE to carry insurance for your married daughter? Shouldn’t she and her husband be responsible for that?

          • November 14, 2013 at 2:13 pm
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            She is going to college full time, not eligible for Tricare because she is married unless I purchase additional coverage and under age 26. We don’t cover hubby.

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            Would she qualify for a subsidy on the exchange for cheaper than you pay now?

    • November 14, 2013 at 11:10 am
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      Hey Wyoming. Try to stay out of the VA hospital if you can. I have a friend that almost died because they misdiagnosed a gall bladder infection, it needed to come out and they didn’t have a surgeon who could operate. He had to leave there, come home and have it done locally. His doctor here told him he would have been dead within a week had he stayed over there with the incompetents.

      • November 14, 2013 at 1:43 pm
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        I don’t use the VA even the VA care here where I am at is very good. (I know many of the providers and staff since I was in the medical field.) However, if you want to see how well the government runs medical care, the VA is a good case study!

  • November 14, 2013 at 9:52 am
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    http://doyougotinsurance.com/

    Does oBama want young women to become sluts? People to Drink excessively? Look at the link and you be the judge..

    • November 14, 2013 at 10:01 am
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      Hilarious, FFA!! I’ve already started sharing it!

      • November 14, 2013 at 10:13 am
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        They also showed the Anti OBama Care ad running. Thats a funny one too. I just have not found the link.

        • November 14, 2013 at 12:02 pm
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          FFA, I found even a funnier thing for you. This was titled – Top Ten Indicators That Your Employer Has Changed To Obamacare: 10. Your annual breast exam is done at Hooters. 9. Directions to your doctor’s office include “Take a left when you enter the trailer park. 8. The tongue depressors taste faintly of Fudgesickles. 7. The only Proctologist in the plan is “Gus” from Roto Rooter 6. The only item listed under Preventative Care Coverage is “an apple a day”. 5. Your primary care doctor is wearing the pants you gave to Goodwill last month. 4. The patient is responsible for 200% of out of network charges. This is not a typographical error. 3. The only expense covered 100% is Embalming. 2. Your Prozac comes in different colors with little M’s on them. 1. You receive paperwork that you now are a part time employee instead of full time.

    • November 14, 2013 at 11:29 am
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      Now that is a clever way to get the message out to young people that they need insurance. Thanks for sharing.

      • November 14, 2013 at 6:15 pm
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        Celtica Wonder how many parents think like you do.

        • November 15, 2013 at 12:35 pm
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          The message isn’t being marketed to parents — it’s being marketed to that segment of the population that thinks they will live forever.

          BTW, for all those parents who think they are finished with child being years and don’t want to pay for maternity coverage, think again if you have a daughter who is capable of bearing children and is under the age of 26.

          • November 15, 2013 at 5:22 pm
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            when my daughter came home pregnant in High School, my plan covered that. So, what are we gaining?

            yes it is sending a message – Drink till your hearts content. We will fix you when your a drunk loser. To the gals, now you can be a cheap slut and not worry about getting pregnant.

  • November 14, 2013 at 12:41 pm
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    Agent, Pretty funny and probably true! SO, I have been watching the liar in charge stumble through his press conference. This clip reminds me of his speech.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAmPIq29ro

  • November 14, 2013 at 1:01 pm
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    “President Barack Obama announced a fix to the vexing problem of canceled health insurance policies Thursday, saying insurers don’t have to cancel plans next year just because of the Affordable Care Act.

    Insurers can continue the plans for 2014 on two conditions — they have to tell people just what their plans don’t cover, and they have to tell people that they do have the option of going onto the health insurance exchanges to buy new plans with federal government subsidies and perhaps even to go onto Medicaid.

    “Insurers can extend current plans that otherwise would have been cancelled in 2014,” Obama said.”

    Per NBC News.

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      At this point 3 people think I make up or endorse NBC News. I only posted a quote from an article as an FYI. Don’t shoot the messenger. Jeesh.

      http://www.nbcnews.com/health/obama-gives-people-extra-year-keep-health-insurance-2D11591250

    • November 14, 2013 at 3:05 pm
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      That ought to make everyone happy, happy, happy!

      • November 14, 2013 at 3:10 pm
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        Except for the expense of reversing what he previously told them they have to do. Dont forget the agents getting cut out of the picture.

        • November 14, 2013 at 3:40 pm
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          Exactly! The cost is going to be astronomical – hey just put in on our tab, Obama. Just like everything else you’ve done that has failed. Solyndra for one – that was a biggie. And BTW – if all the people who were given cancelations are able to now keep their old polices for at least one year – all 5 million of them – where is he going to get the money to fund the people who are supposedly signing up? Quite the ripple effect; don’t you think? Especially since a lot of the people who did actually enroll were mostly Medicaid and, and, the ones who weren’t haven’t even made a payment so far. I think Obama’s hole keeps on getting deeper and deeper.

  • November 14, 2013 at 3:01 pm
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    We deserve better. You bet we do. We deserve a president who doesn’t lie to us for one thing than has to back peddle on his lies. What a disgrace this man is and I use that term very loosely. I’m the all the insurance companies have had it up to their throats with his shenanigans. Now how do you suppose they can just switch back to plans that have been canceled since they had to redo their whole software system to accommodate Obamascare? Did he actually confirm this with the insurance companies before spouting off his mouth again and having egg on his face? We shall see what we shall see.

    • November 14, 2013 at 3:05 pm
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      So Amazed, speaking of liars, liars, pants on fire, who is that search for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq going? It’s been 10 years now.

      • November 14, 2013 at 3:11 pm
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        They found them in Syria.

        • November 14, 2013 at 3:32 pm
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          Exactly where they have been all along. Don’t you keep up with current news, Celtica? And of how Obama is backing the terrorist in that country with our tax dollars where Christians are being hacked to death even as we speak. Notice how the mainstream media that you listen to doesn’t cover much of those stories. The monastery, where they speak the ancient language that Jesus spoke Aramaic, was taken over by Muslim terrorist and our government is sending them money. Disgusting. I don’t know how Obama sleeps at night – but if I had to guess – I bet he sleeps just fine. No conscience

          • November 14, 2013 at 4:12 pm
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            How clever of Saddam to send the weapons to Syria even though he’s been dead all these years…

          • November 14, 2013 at 6:16 pm
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            Hey Celtica, ye of no facts. Sadam got rid of the WMD’s far in advance while the UN was picking at their nose and doing 17 resolutions. Syria said send them all over and we will keep them safe until we need them.

          • November 15, 2013 at 1:44 pm
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            Agent: If the Iraq weapons went to Syria, begs the question of why Bush didn’t lift a finger. Of course, he didn’t lift a finger when Bin Laden threatened to attack inside the U.S. Or even look for Bin Laden after he did. Not a freaking finger. Nope, not a one.

      • November 14, 2013 at 3:48 pm
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        Seriously??? AGAIN with the “Well, BUSH LIED ABOUT IRAQ” bit? Why don’t we go back further and bring up the fact that Clinton could have taken out Bin Laden when he had the chance but didn’t. Yeah, you’ll probably blame Reagan for backing the mujahideen against the Russians.

        My point? Bringing up unrelated history does not change the fact that this is Obama’s mess. HE owns this, NOT Bush. Not Cheney. Not Rumsfeld, Scooter Libby, Rush Limbaugh Fox News, Syria, Putin, Iran or anyone else. It’s not the fault of the Republicans for not supporting it, HE WOULD NOT LISTEN TO ANY OTHER IDEAS.

        • November 14, 2013 at 4:55 pm
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          No disputes that this is Obama’s mess. What is in dispute is that you those who call him a liar conveniently overlook all of lies by the parties you cite on the Iraq War. When Clinton lied, no body died. When Bush lied, a lot of people died.

          As for input, the Repubicans refused to take part. Period. Therefore, they have to live with the results. As elected officials they shirked their duties. Period.

        • November 19, 2013 at 5:30 pm
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          Actually Celtica, Bush was trying to work through the useless UN on inspections and sanctions. They passed 17 resolutions and when they had given all that extra time to Sadam, he had just the right amount of time to squirrel his WMD’s away. They went to Syria. I wonder how many of those weapons they still have with Russia on the scene and guaranteeing the safety. Hmm! Putin is enjoying seeing us dangle at the end of the rope. The next big thing is to make a sweetheart deal with Iran and lifting sanctions against them. I am sure they will bargain in good faith.

    • November 14, 2013 at 4:08 pm
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      Hey Always, there is a good reason why the Washington Post gave Obama 4 Pinnochios for this whopper. I saw a political cartoon of Obama standing there with a 4 foot branch for a nose and a tree surgeon trying to trim it back.

  • November 14, 2013 at 3:03 pm
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    As I expected someone would, Libby indicated earlier that my message failed to cite George H.W. Bush’s comment, “Read my lips. No new taxes” I was already prepared to respond that two wrongs don’t make it right. Just because someone broke a promise doesn’t give license to anyone else to do the same. In fact, believe those who think that gives them license to do the same are weak-minded, dishonest individuals.

    • November 14, 2013 at 4:00 pm
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    • November 14, 2013 at 4:06 pm
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      Hey Rusty, H W only said it one time and he was castigated for it. This man has said the same lie at least 39 times in front of the country and said it so many times, it got through to the low information voters who are now being cancelled and are angry about it. All politicians lie, but the current one is the whopper of all time. He knew this was coming for over three years and still perpetuated it because he knew he couldn’t get the law passed if people were going to lose their coverage. H W didn’t know what was going on with the economy until he was presented with what was going on with revenue and the big shortfall.

      • November 14, 2013 at 4:26 pm
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    • November 14, 2013 at 6:19 pm
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      Rusty,he did not just break a promise. Even after he knew in June 2010 it was a promise he could not keep, he just kept lying and lying and lying… Celtica is on a sinking ship and her “Deflection” to bush is a tactic my kids used when they were in trouble. My guess, Celtica is about 13.

      • November 18, 2013 at 10:52 am
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        Yes FFA. While many have awakened from the nightmare, Celtica is still re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Blame someone else for the stupidity of this President and his minions. Wow, GW has been blamed for 5 years now. That must be some kind of record. Ronny didn’t spend his Presidency blaming Carter. He just rolled up his sleeves and got to work rebuilding America and did it.

    • November 19, 2013 at 5:25 pm
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      Rusty, this President leads the league in dishonesty. No one else in my memory holds a candle to him. 1. Fast & Furious 2. Benghazi 3.IRS 4. NSA and the granddaddy of all, Obamacare. If you like your plan, you can keep it. No one can take it away from you, PERIOD. Oops! No one can take it away from you if the plan hasn’t changed and fits the model of Obamacare.

  • November 15, 2013 at 9:59 am
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    Found this in another IJ article:

    “MIT health economist Jonathan Gruber, who helped design the healthcare law, said its authors had expected 6 million people in the individual market would lose their plans in 2014 and that insurers had made drastic changes based on the belief they would have access to those members.”

  • November 15, 2013 at 10:28 am
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    OK, folks. I get the differences in opinion about lies. Still, when someone knows the truth but keeps publicly reciting the same opposing statements, I believe that becomes a lie. I recall hearing that he had been informed about the insurance cancellation issue (if he hadn’t, shame on the administration for hiding it and for him in not asking the right questions) but chose to ignore it and kept telling the same story in order to get the bill passed – his primary concern. He wanted it passed immediately with no rewrites or changes. I must ask, how do you pass a sweeping law like that? Well, if you are in power and groveling at the foot of your leader, who you believe can do no wrong, go along. Like always, he may have felt that people would simply forget what he said when the truth came out and he’d get his usual pass from the press. Besides that, he also knows that if you keep telling the same story over and over again, a lot of people will ultimately believe it as truth. As he is undoubtedly surrounded by people who constantly praise and support him, I’m sure he feels he is above the fray. He really had to swallow a tough pill with this one and it may also prove to be the undoing of the whole goal of transforming the country. As for a major effect of Obamacare the (taxpaying) middle class that he professes to protect (repeated often, that becomes a truth) is actually thrown under the bus by this law with higher premiums, deductibles, fewer doctors, limited access to medical facilities and in the end, taxes to fund the borrowing to pay for its inevitable shortfall, all in order to provide medical care for others. In many ways like this, even illegal immigrants are treated better than taxpaying American citizens because they get free medical care all the time. Yes, that ahs been paid with premiums from insurance buying citizens, but that purchase was always a choice, not a government mandate, which makes it into a tax, as the Supreme Court ruled.

  • November 15, 2013 at 3:07 pm
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      “The House approved Republican legislation on Friday giving health insurers the option of extending plans through 2014 that would otherwise be canceled for not complying with Affordable Care Act standards.”

      Granted, it wouldn’t do any good to attempt to pull back the mandated coverages (b/c neither senate nor pres would allow THAT), but this bill isn’t enough.

      • November 18, 2013 at 10:49 am
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        jw, would you rather the President just wave his magic wand and order the companies to violate the law and re-instate policies that had to be cancelled due to the law’s provisions? Clearly, he doesn’t like what the House did with the approval of 39 Democrats who will likely lose their seat in the mid terms. He just wants to be a dictator and tell everyone what to do. History tells us that Nero fiddled while Rome burned. Is this President fiddling while America is burning?

        • November 18, 2013 at 1:42 pm
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          Dear Agent: I have full confidence that the GOP will again shoot themselves in the foot prior to the election. Let’s see, the last election was about taking rights away from women (how did that work out for ya?); next election will be about taking away coverage for pre-existing conditions. Yeah, that will play in Peoria.

          • November 18, 2013 at 4:18 pm
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            By shooting themselves in the foot you mean just the way the democrats did when the rolled out the ACA that imploded on itself just the way all the rest of us with an iota of common sense knew it would? Taking the rights away from women – you guys still believe that – I love the way you spin things. The democrats just love to keep not only women but both men and women enslaved in poverty. That’s right – just keep them all on entitlements – don’t try to help them out of a bad situation so they can learn to take care of themselves and be productive and contribute to society. Nope, just keep them enslaved to more entitlements and have them keep popping out more children that are going to be brought up in the entitlement trap. That’s the true agenda of the Democrats so they make themselves look like they are the compassionate ones and make the Republicans look like we are evil and full of hate and have no compassion at all. The funny thing is you actually believe it. Republicans give more to charity organizations than the Democrats do but we are still the evil doers.

          • November 18, 2013 at 4:23 pm
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            Ask the people in Peoria how they like having their insurance taken away 1-1-14 Celtica. I don’t think many in Peoria will blame Republicans for taking away their Health Insurance. With the current rate of defections in the Democratic Party, it should reach a crescendo about mid summer of 14. Any Republican running for office should hammer away 24/7 that his Democratic opponent voted for this travesty and has supported it right up to the website crash.

          • November 19, 2013 at 4:22 pm
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            Agent – Are you talking about Peoria Illinois? I am not familiar. Please do tell.

          • November 19, 2013 at 5:52 pm
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            Celtica, are you talking about Peoria IL? I was out of the loop last week, what happened (besides the storm).

  • November 15, 2013 at 3:13 pm
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    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/15/emails-show-obamacare-officials-warn-website-crash-in-july/

    And still Obama didn’t know ANYTHING about how awful this program was going and still insisted that it be launched on October 1st?

    Lies, lies, lies.

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      • November 18, 2013 at 3:13 pm
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        Celtica, keep spinning your logic. Obama took ownership of it when he was backed into a corner and had no place else to go. Then and only then did he and the democrats HAVE to take ownership of this disaster because they actually do own it. Obama and Pelosi are two of the biggest liars we ever seen in office but I’m sure you’d still disagree.

        • November 19, 2013 at 5:15 pm
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          Could we add Eric Holder, Dick Durbin, Mario Cuomo, Diane Feinstein, Barbara Boxer, Hilary Clinton, Harry Reid, Maxine Waters, Sheila Jackson Lee to the mix? I am sure there are a couple hundred more so this is a short list of huge liars.

    • November 19, 2013 at 5:17 pm
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      FFA, I was using the Peoria that Celtica cited. I don’t care if it was Peoria, Il or Peoria in another state, but I assume she was using the Illinois Peoria since it is more prominent.

      • November 19, 2013 at 5:51 pm
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        If she is talking about Peoria IL, that’s a big Union Blue Collar town. Caterpillar has several operations down there. That’s just a kick in the pants to the unions. Pile that on top of the storm damage that happened in that neck of the woods on Sunday….

  • November 18, 2013 at 4:38 pm
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    http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/insurance-commissioner-fired/
    A shear coincidence? I think not.

    • November 19, 2013 at 5:11 pm
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      The question is, when will Sebelius, Chao and the CMS head be fired for their incompetence? Probably not since they are true believers.

  • November 19, 2013 at 4:20 pm
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    The payment system has not yet even been implemented? WTF?

    http://poorrichardsnews.com/post/67490151193/obamacare-payment-system-not-even-built-yet-so-is



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