What a shame that politicians are allowed to continue to ignore the real science, and vested interests are allowed to deliberately spread misinformation and doubt to the public so as to protect profits.
The more real science you know about this, the scarier it is. Only the ignorant (wilfully or not) are OK with climate change.
Our monthly Climate Change article by IJ. Is this guy Al Gore’s son in law? Perhaps Obama gave him a grant to write it. After all, we know that Climate Change is our biggest national security threat, right?
Keep on drinking that Koolaid, dufus. You seem a lot like the low information idiots that voted for Obama twice. It is a good thing we only have months to put up with him. It has been a very long 8 years.
Another libbie who wants to CENSOR the facts about Climate Change!
The ‘STFU’ at the end of the rude reply clearly points to their frustration with thinking people pointing out their lies about the data and the data that was edited to support their agenda.
PS The DoD is a puppet of Obama, who is in charge of all government agencies. IF they didn’t post what he wanted, he would begin severe disciplinary actions against the dissenters.
Yogi, there have been two major hoaxes foisted upon the public in the past 8 years.
1. Obamacare
2. Climate Change/Global Warming
Guess who is behind both of them. Progressive Democrats who think they are smarter than the rest of the population and build everything off of a lie and then repeat it so often they think it will fly. I would hazard a guess that most of the pro Climate Changeers are between the ages of 21 and 35 and have had their minds poisoned by other liberals in college.
April 14, 2016 at 3:43 pm
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why aren’t you blaming texting millenials who live in the north east usa too? man, you’re slipping.
“..and build everything off of a lie and then repeat it so often they think it will fly.”
like you continuously claiming i downvote even though i keep telling you i don’t and you need to stop lying? like that?
Yogi, what will these Climate Change idiots post when the predicted Global Cooling hits by 2030? They are as credible as Al Gore predicting the polar ice cap would be gone by 2014. This planet is not getting warmer, the seas are not rising and the polar caps are getting larger, not smaller. By the way, the sun will control what happens to climate, not man and there is nothing anyone can do about it. Why bankrupt economies that are already in trouble to cut emissions by .00000001%?
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This planet is not getting warmer = false
The seas are not rising = false
The polar caps are getting larger, not smaller = false, and this has already been explained to you a dozen times.
stop posting lies
April 15, 2016 at 5:40 pm
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“…major hoaxes foisted upon the public in the past 8 years”
3. The Rapture is coming in May! No…wait…October!
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Yogi, what about when they had the same conclusion before Obama was elected?
Please outline in detail how he was controlling them then, dolt.
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Idiot. Obama’s not doing enough on climate change!
April 13, 2016 at 12:40 am
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How ironic….the effluent rich moving away from their waterfront property’s to occupy the ‘western suburbs’ land currently utilised by the poor…..no doubt laws will be passed to facilitate confiscation of all ‘higher’ ground by Polys and their mates..perhaps the poor will be forced to form human dykes?….too funny…they have already had to curtail their overseas flight jaunts because its no longer anywhere near as much fun as it once was, due to security threats…now they stand to lose their prime water front land….how frustrating for them and their ilk…final irony? they should have listened sooner to Rudd, rather than Abbott…you have to feel for the rich..what’s the point of accumulating obscene wealth in Australia by the priviledged if one can’t enjoy it??….Hoo Roo
The measurements politicians focus on here are CO2 = (warmth). Whether in a parked car or globally, all others indicators are the “effects” that can not offer end point handles. Like a bushfire it is easier to stop in it’s infancy than much later. In this case this understanding that government control aka de-carbonisation in it’s infancy in china and india … will rapidly end CO2 dangers to all things in the environment and acquire maintainable ecosystems once more.
This vastly continuously improved measure is a global sovereign fund and a life line to all creatures, cutting our emmissions makes ALL senses. The clean economic achievements of our major cities will cool the planet.
Scientists have been increasing estimates of sea level rise regularly over the past 5 years or so. Let’s hope that the projections don’t keep getting higher. 3 meters would destroy most coastal cities. I had expected that Miami would be lost during the current century, but now NY, London and Shanghai are at risk.
Good points, but sadly I think it’s too late to stop it, the best case scenario fire years to come is to mitigate it as much as possible.
Miami is in serious trouble. The flooding there is much worse than even 10 years ago, and is not limited to mainly the beach now. The technology is there to avoid the disaster but it can only be done by government, as with all major projects on this scale, and too many people in the US are condpiracy theorists and/or refuse to allow spending on it because they prefer policies that give them a free ride.
In the US we still have 30% who don’t even believe it exists and 36% who don’t see it as a threat. Hey, what a surprise that was also almost exactly Bush’s approval rating his second term!
I’m sure the Three Stooges will be here with their rants any minute, and will be joined by the anti-climate changers who only comment here on climate change stories.
In recent years the Property/Casualty insurers, and their PAC’s have consistently directed their financial support to the political party that steadfastly denies climate change.
Perhaps if the insurance industry would greatly increase these contributions the risks from sea level increase would simply go away.
But increasing their contributions to the GOP will not change the LACK of human-caused climate change. It will, however, decrease the chance for success by the liars supporting greater government control over The People through attempting perpetuation of the climate-change-caused-by-humans hoax.
Hey Yogi, I do follow the news every day of the week. It is very strange that I have not seen any stories on coastal cities being flooded by “rising seas”. We do see stories of flooding from heavy rainstorms. Does that count in the junk science as proof? Venice, Italy has had water for streets since it was built hundreds of years ago. Was that evidence back then of C02 accumulation causing it?
At least most of the people voting on the comments don’t have their heads buried in the sand. But then again, maybe the government and vast majority of the scientific community are manipulating the voting on insurancejournal.com
“It is very strange that I have not seen any stories on coastal cities being flooded by “rising seas”.” Unless you have a time machine and traveled into the future, that’s not strange at all.
And ignore places like Miami, Charleston, Kings Point, NY, SF or that time New York completely flooded (I remember Agent, and other dolts on here saying it was an over-hyped story before the storm hit).
Oh wait, the whole city wasn’t permanently annihilated in any of those cases, so they don’t exist. All the deniers are dumb beyond belief.
June 19, 2016 at 2:35 pm
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I see you are a Republican idiot? “Big government?” How stupid.
Richard Alley has said similar things. The most recent science shows that very rapid sea level rise is not only possible, but, once you go past a certain point, inevitable.
I guess none of the other commenters know that this is followup from a paper James Hansen and others produced recently, factoring in multiple secondary forcings that are already being observed. The most easy to understand is the warming impact of dark rock exposed by earlier melting. There are many such factors.
The world is changing extremely fast. The new 140+ meter wind turbines make it possible to eliminate fossil electric generation in 15 years without rate increases. We need some efficiency and some solar too, but the tall turbines are actually cheaper than shorter ones because of the 50% capacity factor of the wind at slightly higher altitude.
They also make every state in the U.S. capable of generating more cheap wind power than it needs, except for New Jersey, which is surrounded by states that have more than enough extra wind potential to serve New Jersey.
Warren Buffet’s group just announced a new $3.6 billion wind project in Iowa, which already has twice as much wind. They will push coal and natural gas out of the market without a rate increase.
If Republicans don’t get on board, the party is doomed. There is going to be $50 to $100 billion per year in new economic investment and hundreds of millions of new jobs for any state which isn’t behaving like a Tchrump. And of course, if we do end fossil generation in 15 years most of that sea level rise will still happen. But not so much of the other sixty or seventy feet of sea level rise that could follow if we go on acting like we don’t understand this.
Ocean acidification is more dangerous than sea level. But if we pay attention to economic opportunity we won’t have to find out the hard way.
The concern I have with wind energy is the rapid rate at which we want to utilize it and claim it is better for the environment. There is no way to know what the effects will be with removing all that energy from the system. Will it cause the cold air masses to the north and south to have greater pressure than the central air mass, thus expanding their areas which will increase their average temperature, which will then also add to the increase of ice melt?
That is not even mentioning that bird deaths around wind turbines is a big problem. Birds definitely help the eco system and they are being killed when they fly into them. I like my birds of all kinds. Turbines are also an eyesore to the landscape.
Solar panel related bird deaths per year: 1,000 to 28,000
Wind turbine related bird deaths per year: 140,000 to 328,000
Nuclear power bird deaths per year: ~330,000 Oil & gas bird deaths per year: 500,000 to 1,000,000
Coal related bird deaths per year: 7,900,000
Moving away from oil, gas & coal and towards solar and wind turbines would save more birds from dying each year compared to getting rid of solar farms and wind turbines.
Just total annihilation of everything Agent says, I like it. He has never made a statement that I have seen that can be fact-checked and turned out to be true. Everything else is just a feigned concern for something else, and a recitation of what he has heard through right-wing BS outlets.
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10 times more birds are killed every year by windows and cats.
Censorship by Global Warm… um, Climate Change… um, Global Something’s Happening Hoax Purveyors… (yeah; that’s the ticket!)… of dissenting opinions continues on IJ comment boards……
Yogi, it must be a sad existence for these fear mongers who believe that the world will cease to exist in the next few decades due to believing doctored data by disgraced scientists. The whole corrupt Global Warming crowd just want to sell carbon credits so they can get rich.
you are now recycling the same yogi berra quotes in different articles. we get it – you know some yogisms. that’s great. you don’t need to post multiple quotes in every article, especially since you’re now repeating yourself.
Sorry you are so angry confused. I like to have fun with Yogi sometimes, especially to break up the hateful posts you make on every article. Now you can down vote another until you reach at least 50.
I never blame myself when I’m not hitting. I just blame the bat and if it keeps up, I change bats. After all, if I know it is not my fault that I am not hitting, how can I get mad at myself? YB
You and UW lead the league in down votes to mine and Yogi’s posts by a wide margin. Quit lying about it Millenial troll.
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i do not cast any votes on this site. for the 16th time in 2 weeks, PLEASE stop spreading this lie. pretty please, with sugar on top?
April 18, 2016 at 12:14 pm
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I like that claim of innocence. Here’s another….
Bill Clinton: “I did not have sex with that woman. That Miss Lewinsky.”
April 18, 2016 at 12:47 pm
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Yogi, how about another claim of innocence?
I neither received or sent any classified emails from my private server. Hillary Rodham Clinton
April 18, 2016 at 4:17 pm
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Yogi – are you saying you think I’m lying about the voting nonsense? (if you are not, skip the rest of the post. if you ARE implying i’m lying, keep reading).
i have two options when agent posts lies about me: say nothing or say something. i’m in a catch-22 situation here.
if I say nothing, he’ll keep lying and say ‘well, you never defended yourself, so that means you agree it’s true.’ if i keep speaking the truth and saying it’s not me, now it’s a ‘claim of innocence’ like the two lying Clintons?
what if the roles were reversed? what would you do?
ready? Yogi is a convicted child molester who is on the terrorist watch list.
how will you respond? if you don’t defend yourself, that means it must be true, right? but if you do defend yourself, I keep posting it in other articles, then you keep defending yourself, I’ll just argue it’s a claim of innocence so you are obviously lying.
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He likes Yogi Berra quotes because most of them have been incorrectly misattributed to him, and Agent prefers to have even his quotes incorrect if at all possible. Even this one is a quote that many say did not originate with Berra.
I find it contradictory when Obama/media talks about global warming, but he has no concern for it when he flies to Hawaii to golf, and takes so many vacations….. OR when the govt flies a limousine to the Bahamas for John Kerry’s visit there, so he can ride in style. (Yup, that really happened). When are the American sheep going to wake up and realize that their sheepherders are really wolves in disguise?
Mercy, mercy, mercy. I have heard of mad scientists, but this one takes the cake. You might want to know that some scientists years ago thought we might set off a bomb in the eye of a hurricane to kill the winds. Then, they decided it might make it worse so it wasn’t tried. Keep in mind that you can’t change Mother Nature. She will win every single time and that is why the Global Warming/Climate Change freaks hypothesis if full of holes. Don’t worry, society will continue and the Progressives will be gone soon.
“Davidson said recent data that has been collected but has yet to be made official indicates sea levels could rise by roughly 3 meters or 9 feet by 2050-2060”
No one wants to own the lies in other words? Who publishes this trash like it actual news?
As an old boss of mine said often to me many years ago, in a much simpler time….” Time will tell, $@$# (you know what) will smell, and water will seek it’s own level. As many of you may or may not be aware they have been predicting this for almost a decade at least and it has yet too pass, but it may…. Wether there is Global Warming, Climate Change,etc the debate is open for many still, but we can most definitely say the planet is under stress from our man made pollution.
truth, just saw an article from Townhall.com that reports that the US emissions are down significantly over the past 10 years due to the increase in usage of Natural Gas in lieu of coal. Natural Gas is abundant and clean and developed by the Oil & Gas industry by extracting from shale formations. We also have cars that burn fuel more efficiently and use Catalytic converters. There is no crisis in C02, just a bunch of malarkey scare stories from the true believers.
Ron, do you believe all the trash put out by your running mate Confused that C02 levels continue to rise even though they have been decreasing? Do you believe in evaporation? Do you believe that land subsidence is an issue along the coasts? Do you believe that the polar caps are melting? If you do, you are as loony as he is.
They are melting. No one is denying that, not even the sceptics. And it is an issue – no one denies that either. And I already talked about this above.
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Your argument is illogical. Emissions are down, but the U.S is STILL producing emissions, and so is the rest of the world. You made yourself look like an idiot.
What a bunch of malarky!!! As usual the Earth is flat and we will be underwater. Since so much Ice has melted how come Florida is not covered? If we truly want to stop all the pollution then Congress (EPA) needs to pass another law! This one will ban all future activity from Volcano’s ! As much is put out in one day than all that man has done in the last 100 years.
Just Sayin!
Earth experiences glaciation on a cyclical basis, roughly every 100,000 years. We are living during the latest inter-glacial period. Sea Level has been rising since the last glaciation. Factors Affecting Sea-level rise: Melting polar and glacial ice, warming of the ocean (thermal expansion) coastal subsidence, post-glacial rebound (rising land after the weight of the ice is removed), Tectonics (mountain-building, volcanic activity, earthquakes). By the year 2100 global temps may rise between 2.0 and 11.5 degrees F. Predicted sea level rise by 2100 is between 0.6 feet and 1.9 feet conservatively. European scientists believe this number to be between 3.0-4.3 feet. Post-glacial rebound or tectonic activity will most likely be the biggest factors of where this ultimately lands.
Regardless of your posture on the significance of human’s impact on Global Warming, the one indisputable fact is that there is nothing that the USA can do about it. Our particulate emissions are a fraction of what they were 50 years ago, yet the dire predictions only get more dire.
Face it friends, we could completely eliminate all human generated particulate emissions from the USA and there would be no impact on the results that these models portent.
Dave, do you think the Dutch believed in Global Warming and Rising Seas for the past 100 years or so or realized they had land subsidence and decided to reclaim it? While the idiots think it is all C02 emissions causing the problem, the sun keeps doing its thing with spots, flares that will be the most important development in earth’s atmosphere and there is literally nothing that can be done about it.
“While the idiots think it is all C02 emissions causing the problem” wrong again agent. Us “idiots” are saying CO2 contributes to the increasing temperatures – nobody has ever claimed “humans are the SOLE cause for the temp’s going up.”
Only Al Gore, Barack Obama, Hilliary Clinton, Bernie Sanders and any other left wing ideologue including yourself. C02 is not increasing despite all your lies.
“The annual growth rate of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere rose more in 2015 than scientists have ever seen in a single year, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration announced Thursday.
It was the fourth year in a row that carbon dioxide concentrations grew by more than 2 parts per million, with an annual growth rate of 3.05 parts per million in 2015.”
OR
“Carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere are higher than they have been at any time in the past 400,000 years”
1900 = 220 parts per million
1950 = 280 parts per million
2005 = 380 parts per million
2015 = 402 parts per million
Seems to be increasing to me. Please provide your source showing it’s actually decreasing.
April 21, 2016 at 10:08 am
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good job agent – keep downvoting facts because they don’t match the lies you keep trying to spread!
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BTW Agent, the above was a different Dave than me. I do agree with him on one point, there is very little the US can do to reduce the impact of human caused climate change (if it exists) as for every coal fired power plant we are closing down, the Chinese are opening 5. For any reduced use of Automotive transportation we do here, the burgeoning middle class in China will increase such use multi-fold. And any reduction in CO2 brought on by more efficient planes such as the Boeing’s 787 will be more than offset by the quickly growing use of air travel in the Far East. Fact is there is plenty of evidence for and against human caused climate change. Only issue is the left leaning media tends to report only one side of the issue. And left leaning scientist worrying about their livelihoods through continued funding by left leaning administrations have forgotten all about the scientific method where theories are made based on available evidence, tests are made, more results are provided, more tests are made, more results are provided and sometimes there is proof one way or the other. And sometimes there is never enough proof. We’re nowhere near that point yet despite those who have made up their minds.
Friday, a bunch of heads of state will sign their nations pledge for C02 emission reductions under the Paris Climate Treaty at the UN. What difference will all the pledged reductions make in Global Average temperature and what will it cost?
All climate policies by the US, China, EU and the rest of the world, implemented from the early 2000″s to 2030 and sustained through the century will likely reduce global temperatures by 0.17 degrees in 2100. The cost? As reported by Bloomberg, the International Energy Agency estimates about $16.5 Trillion from now until 2040. For another 60 years, it will be $56.1 Trillion. Not much bang for the bucks, is it?
yeah man, why should we even bother to try to save the planet if we can’t make a ton of money at the same time? while we’re at it, let’s ignore all the data showing CO2 has been increasing since 1900 (end sarcasm)
The sky is falling! The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
Al Gore predicted the North Polar Ice Cap would be completely ice free in five years. Gore made the prediction to a German audience in 2008. He told them that “the entire North ‘polarized’ cap will disappear in 5 years.”
Sarah, good old Al was a bit off on his predictions, wasn’t he? Of course the sky is falling crowd swallowed it hook, line and sinker just like they swallowed all of Obama’s lies from day 1. They are easily brainwashed, aren’t they?
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Here are ten reasons we all should be very concerned about climate change:
1. Science academies worldwide, 97% of climate scientists, and 99.9% of peer-reviewed papers on the issue in respected scientific journals argue that climate change is real, is largely caused by human activities, and poses great threats to humanity. In December 2015, 195 nations at the Paris climate change conference all agreed that immediate action must be taken to avert a climate catastrophe.
2. Every decade since the 1970s has been warmer than the previous decade and all of the 17 warmest years since temperature records were kept in 1880 have been since 1998. 2015 is the warmest year globally since 1880 when temperature records were first kept, breaking the record held before by 2014, and 2016 is on track to become the warmest year. The previous 15 months have all broken records for being the hottest month with its name (March, April, etc.). This means, for example, that April 2016 was the warmest April since 1880. July 2016 was the warmest month ever recorded.
3. Polar icecaps and glaciers worldwide have been melting rapidly, faster than scientific projections. This is a factor behind projections that the oceans may rise as much as ten feet by mid-century.
4. There has been an increase in the number and severity of droughts, wildfires, storms, and floods. Seems to be stories about this almost daily on TV news.
5. California has been subjected to so many severe climate events (heat waves, droughts, wildfires, and mudslides when heavy rains occur) recently that its governor, Jerry Brown, stated that, “Humanity is on a collision course with nature.”
6. Many climates experts believe that we are close to a tipping point when climate change will spiral out of control, with disastrous consequences, unless major positive changes soon occur.
7. While climate scientists believe that 350 parts per million (ppm) of atmospheric CO2 is a threshold value for climate stability, the world reached 400 ppm in 2014, and the amount is increasing by 2 – 3 ppm per year.
8. While climate scientists hope that temperature increases can be limited to two degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit), largely because that is the best that can be hoped for with current trends and momentum, the world is now on track for an average increase of 4 – 5 degrees Celsius, which would produce a world with almost unimaginably negative climate events .
9. The Pentagon and other military groups believe that climate change will increase the potential for instability, terrorism, and war by reducing access to food and clean water and by causing tens of millions of desperate refuges fleeing from droughts, wildfire, floods, storms, and other effects of climate change.
10. The conservative group ConservAmerica (www.ConservAmerica.org), formerly known as ‘Republicans for Environmental Protection,’ is very concerned about climate change threats. They are working to end the denial about climate threats and the urgency of working to avert them on the part of the vast majority of Republicans, but so far with very limited success.
As president emeritus of Jewish Veg (formerly Jewish Vegetarians of North America), I want to stress that animal agriculture is a major contributor to climate change, emitting more greenhouse gases (in CO2 equivalents) than all the cars and other means of transportation combined, according to a 2006 UN Food and Agriculture report, “Livestock’s Long Shadow.” And a 2009 cover story in World Watch magazine by two environmentalists associated with the World Bank concluded that the ‘livestock’ sector is responsible for at least 51% of all human-induced greenhouse gases.
Time to make averting a climate catastrophe a central organizing principle for society today and to stress that shifts to plant-based (vegan) diets are essential to avert such a catastrophe and to help shift our imperiled planet onto a sustainable path.
I agree with everything Richard said. However, I think emissions have gone so far that only a way of taking carbon out of the air will save civilisation as we know it. Whatever is envisaged, it would have to possibly be a self replicating seaweed or algae which periodically dies and sinks to the ocean floor, being replaced by newer vegitation. If this spread throughout the globe it may have an impact. The downside is that it may increase the albedo of the seas.
What a shame that politicians are allowed to continue to ignore the real science, and vested interests are allowed to deliberately spread misinformation and doubt to the public so as to protect profits.
The more real science you know about this, the scarier it is. Only the ignorant (wilfully or not) are OK with climate change.
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Agent:
Quoted from Department of Defense press release, dated July 2015:
“Climate change is urgent and growing threat to our national security.”
Why don’t you go have a Koch & a smile…..and STFU.
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i agreed with an agent post once – it was when he said anyone who insults someone else on this site should be banned.
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why aren’t you blaming texting millenials who live in the north east usa too? man, you’re slipping.
“..and build everything off of a lie and then repeat it so often they think it will fly.”
like you continuously claiming i downvote even though i keep telling you i don’t and you need to stop lying? like that?
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This planet is not getting warmer = false
The seas are not rising = false
The polar caps are getting larger, not smaller = false, and this has already been explained to you a dozen times.
stop posting lies
“…major hoaxes foisted upon the public in the past 8 years”
3. The Rapture is coming in May! No…wait…October!
Yogi, what about when they had the same conclusion before Obama was elected?
Please outline in detail how he was controlling them then, dolt.
Idiot. Obama’s not doing enough on climate change!
How ironic….the effluent rich moving away from their waterfront property’s to occupy the ‘western suburbs’ land currently utilised by the poor…..no doubt laws will be passed to facilitate confiscation of all ‘higher’ ground by Polys and their mates..perhaps the poor will be forced to form human dykes?….too funny…they have already had to curtail their overseas flight jaunts because its no longer anywhere near as much fun as it once was, due to security threats…now they stand to lose their prime water front land….how frustrating for them and their ilk…final irony? they should have listened sooner to Rudd, rather than Abbott…you have to feel for the rich..what’s the point of accumulating obscene wealth in Australia by the priviledged if one can’t enjoy it??….Hoo Roo
The measurements politicians focus on here are CO2 = (warmth). Whether in a parked car or globally, all others indicators are the “effects” that can not offer end point handles. Like a bushfire it is easier to stop in it’s infancy than much later. In this case this understanding that government control aka de-carbonisation in it’s infancy in china and india … will rapidly end CO2 dangers to all things in the environment and acquire maintainable ecosystems once more.
This vastly continuously improved measure is a global sovereign fund and a life line to all creatures, cutting our emmissions makes ALL senses. The clean economic achievements of our major cities will cool the planet.
Scientists have been increasing estimates of sea level rise regularly over the past 5 years or so. Let’s hope that the projections don’t keep getting higher. 3 meters would destroy most coastal cities. I had expected that Miami would be lost during the current century, but now NY, London and Shanghai are at risk.
Good points, but sadly I think it’s too late to stop it, the best case scenario fire years to come is to mitigate it as much as possible.
Miami is in serious trouble. The flooding there is much worse than even 10 years ago, and is not limited to mainly the beach now. The technology is there to avoid the disaster but it can only be done by government, as with all major projects on this scale, and too many people in the US are condpiracy theorists and/or refuse to allow spending on it because they prefer policies that give them a free ride.
In the US we still have 30% who don’t even believe it exists and 36% who don’t see it as a threat. Hey, what a surprise that was also almost exactly Bush’s approval rating his second term!
I’m sure the Three Stooges will be here with their rants any minute, and will be joined by the anti-climate changers who only comment here on climate change stories.
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In recent years the Property/Casualty insurers, and their PAC’s have consistently directed their financial support to the political party that steadfastly denies climate change.
Perhaps if the insurance industry would greatly increase these contributions the risks from sea level increase would simply go away.
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Looks like dumb just met dumber!
At least most of the people voting on the comments don’t have their heads buried in the sand. But then again, maybe the government and vast majority of the scientific community are manipulating the voting on insurancejournal.com
All part of that big conspiracy, you know…
“It is very strange that I have not seen any stories on coastal cities being flooded by “rising seas”.” Unless you have a time machine and traveled into the future, that’s not strange at all.
And ignore places like Miami, Charleston, Kings Point, NY, SF or that time New York completely flooded (I remember Agent, and other dolts on here saying it was an over-hyped story before the storm hit).
Oh wait, the whole city wasn’t permanently annihilated in any of those cases, so they don’t exist. All the deniers are dumb beyond belief.
I see you are a Republican idiot? “Big government?” How stupid.
Republicans are for small government. Get your facts strait before you say something.
Jeremy Jackson
Senior Scientist Emeritus,
Smithsonian Institution and
Professor of Oceanography,
Scripps Institution of Oceanography
November 20, 2014, at 11:30 a.m.Mayser Gymnasium
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljM2o6bIHSo#t=27m00s
MSL rise 13′-14′ (4 metres) in a couple of years when the WAIS breaks: @27:00 mins.
Richard Alley has said similar things. The most recent science shows that very rapid sea level rise is not only possible, but, once you go past a certain point, inevitable.
No climate change deniers to be found in the reinsurance business.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/rob-magazine/an-industry-that-has-woken-up-to-climate-change-no-deniers-at-global-resinsurance-giant/article15635331/?page=1
I guess none of the other commenters know that this is followup from a paper James Hansen and others produced recently, factoring in multiple secondary forcings that are already being observed. The most easy to understand is the warming impact of dark rock exposed by earlier melting. There are many such factors.
The world is changing extremely fast. The new 140+ meter wind turbines make it possible to eliminate fossil electric generation in 15 years without rate increases. We need some efficiency and some solar too, but the tall turbines are actually cheaper than shorter ones because of the 50% capacity factor of the wind at slightly higher altitude.
They also make every state in the U.S. capable of generating more cheap wind power than it needs, except for New Jersey, which is surrounded by states that have more than enough extra wind potential to serve New Jersey.
Warren Buffet’s group just announced a new $3.6 billion wind project in Iowa, which already has twice as much wind. They will push coal and natural gas out of the market without a rate increase.
If Republicans don’t get on board, the party is doomed. There is going to be $50 to $100 billion per year in new economic investment and hundreds of millions of new jobs for any state which isn’t behaving like a Tchrump. And of course, if we do end fossil generation in 15 years most of that sea level rise will still happen. But not so much of the other sixty or seventy feet of sea level rise that could follow if we go on acting like we don’t understand this.
Ocean acidification is more dangerous than sea level. But if we pay attention to economic opportunity we won’t have to find out the hard way.
The concern I have with wind energy is the rapid rate at which we want to utilize it and claim it is better for the environment. There is no way to know what the effects will be with removing all that energy from the system. Will it cause the cold air masses to the north and south to have greater pressure than the central air mass, thus expanding their areas which will increase their average temperature, which will then also add to the increase of ice melt?
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Solar panel related bird deaths per year: 1,000 to 28,000
Wind turbine related bird deaths per year: 140,000 to 328,000
Nuclear power bird deaths per year: ~330,000
Oil & gas bird deaths per year: 500,000 to 1,000,000
Coal related bird deaths per year: 7,900,000
Moving away from oil, gas & coal and towards solar and wind turbines would save more birds from dying each year compared to getting rid of solar farms and wind turbines.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/08/25/3475348/bird-death-comparison-chart/
Just total annihilation of everything Agent says, I like it. He has never made a statement that I have seen that can be fact-checked and turned out to be true. Everything else is just a feigned concern for something else, and a recitation of what he has heard through right-wing BS outlets.
10 times more birds are killed every year by windows and cats.
“Under my plan, electricity rates will necessarily skyrocket” BHO
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you know not of what you speak
That is an incredibly stupid argument.
I don’t believe that garbage.
I never said most of the things I said. YB
you are now recycling the same yogi berra quotes in different articles. we get it – you know some yogisms. that’s great. you don’t need to post multiple quotes in every article, especially since you’re now repeating yourself.
Sorry you are so angry confused. I like to have fun with Yogi sometimes, especially to break up the hateful posts you make on every article. Now you can down vote another until you reach at least 50.
I never blame myself when I’m not hitting. I just blame the bat and if it keeps up, I change bats. After all, if I know it is not my fault that I am not hitting, how can I get mad at myself? YB
i do not cast any votes on this site. for the 15th time in 2 weeks, PLEASE stop spreading this lie. pretty please, with sugar on top?
You and UW lead the league in down votes to mine and Yogi’s posts by a wide margin. Quit lying about it Millenial troll.
i do not cast any votes on this site. for the 16th time in 2 weeks, PLEASE stop spreading this lie. pretty please, with sugar on top?
I like that claim of innocence. Here’s another….
Bill Clinton: “I did not have sex with that woman. That Miss Lewinsky.”
Yogi, how about another claim of innocence?
I neither received or sent any classified emails from my private server. Hillary Rodham Clinton
Yogi – are you saying you think I’m lying about the voting nonsense? (if you are not, skip the rest of the post. if you ARE implying i’m lying, keep reading).
i have two options when agent posts lies about me: say nothing or say something. i’m in a catch-22 situation here.
if I say nothing, he’ll keep lying and say ‘well, you never defended yourself, so that means you agree it’s true.’ if i keep speaking the truth and saying it’s not me, now it’s a ‘claim of innocence’ like the two lying Clintons?
what if the roles were reversed? what would you do?
ready? Yogi is a convicted child molester who is on the terrorist watch list.
how will you respond? if you don’t defend yourself, that means it must be true, right? but if you do defend yourself, I keep posting it in other articles, then you keep defending yourself, I’ll just argue it’s a claim of innocence so you are obviously lying.
He likes Yogi Berra quotes because most of them have been incorrectly misattributed to him, and Agent prefers to have even his quotes incorrect if at all possible. Even this one is a quote that many say did not originate with Berra.
OK; How about an original quote in the YB style?;
“Global Warming Hoaxers have been hoaxed by Al Gore and Left out to dry after their erroneous claims were exposed as data censoring.
The ones who have come to their senses are WARMING to the idea that the Globe is actually COOLING.”
Yogi, how about another good one from your namesake?
It was impossible to get a conversation going. Everybody was talking too much. YB
Do you have any evidence for that?
I find it contradictory when Obama/media talks about global warming, but he has no concern for it when he flies to Hawaii to golf, and takes so many vacations….. OR when the govt flies a limousine to the Bahamas for John Kerry’s visit there, so he can ride in style. (Yup, that really happened). When are the American sheep going to wake up and realize that their sheepherders are really wolves in disguise?
November 2016 hopefully.
I hate conspiracy theorists.
spent 2 years coming up with this solution, nobody cared
nobody i can find cares now
every scientist i’ve gone to says it should work though
involves controlling the movement of a hurricanes eye wall
oh well
http://readersupportednews.org/pm-section/27-27/16331-ending-global-warming-and-starvation-forever
much much much more to it since i came up with this in 2000
just an inventor who wants society to continue so one day i can get my back fixed and live without pain
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so is there a reason other than it has never been done before??
yes i’ve heard of that crazy plan, i had nothing to do with that
discounting some ideas because other ideas are bad is bad
people said we couldn’t fly
scientists i’ve talked to stated it should work, if you want to put it down, please use a logical reason
“Full of holes?” And you anti-progressive? You don’t know the science
“Davidson said recent data that has been collected but has yet to be made official indicates sea levels could rise by roughly 3 meters or 9 feet by 2050-2060”
No one wants to own the lies in other words? Who publishes this trash like it actual news?
As an old boss of mine said often to me many years ago, in a much simpler time….” Time will tell, $@$# (you know what) will smell, and water will seek it’s own level. As many of you may or may not be aware they have been predicting this for almost a decade at least and it has yet too pass, but it may…. Wether there is Global Warming, Climate Change,etc the debate is open for many still, but we can most definitely say the planet is under stress from our man made pollution.
truth, just saw an article from Townhall.com that reports that the US emissions are down significantly over the past 10 years due to the increase in usage of Natural Gas in lieu of coal. Natural Gas is abundant and clean and developed by the Oil & Gas industry by extracting from shale formations. We also have cars that burn fuel more efficiently and use Catalytic converters. There is no crisis in C02, just a bunch of malarkey scare stories from the true believers.
Agent,
It’s amazing how when people do things that are good for the environment, good things happen to the environment.
Ron, do you believe all the trash put out by your running mate Confused that C02 levels continue to rise even though they have been decreasing? Do you believe in evaporation? Do you believe that land subsidence is an issue along the coasts? Do you believe that the polar caps are melting? If you do, you are as loony as he is.
They are melting. No one is denying that, not even the sceptics. And it is an issue – no one denies that either. And I already talked about this above.
Your argument is illogical. Emissions are down, but the U.S is STILL producing emissions, and so is the rest of the world. You made yourself look like an idiot.
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Your comment is incredibly stupid, and you are making strawman arguments.
Bill, while Congress is at it, they can ban solar flares as well.
Earth experiences glaciation on a cyclical basis, roughly every 100,000 years. We are living during the latest inter-glacial period. Sea Level has been rising since the last glaciation. Factors Affecting Sea-level rise: Melting polar and glacial ice, warming of the ocean (thermal expansion) coastal subsidence, post-glacial rebound (rising land after the weight of the ice is removed), Tectonics (mountain-building, volcanic activity, earthquakes). By the year 2100 global temps may rise between 2.0 and 11.5 degrees F. Predicted sea level rise by 2100 is between 0.6 feet and 1.9 feet conservatively. European scientists believe this number to be between 3.0-4.3 feet. Post-glacial rebound or tectonic activity will most likely be the biggest factors of where this ultimately lands.
Regardless of your posture on the significance of human’s impact on Global Warming, the one indisputable fact is that there is nothing that the USA can do about it. Our particulate emissions are a fraction of what they were 50 years ago, yet the dire predictions only get more dire.
Face it friends, we could completely eliminate all human generated particulate emissions from the USA and there would be no impact on the results that these models portent.
Rising waters? Figure it out! The Dutch have.
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“While the idiots think it is all C02 emissions causing the problem” wrong again agent. Us “idiots” are saying CO2 contributes to the increasing temperatures – nobody has ever claimed “humans are the SOLE cause for the temp’s going up.”
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http://www.climatecentral.org/news/unprecedented-spike-co2-levels-2015-20125
“The annual growth rate of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere rose more in 2015 than scientists have ever seen in a single year, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration announced Thursday.
It was the fourth year in a row that carbon dioxide concentrations grew by more than 2 parts per million, with an annual growth rate of 3.05 parts per million in 2015.”
OR
“Carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere are higher than they have been at any time in the past 400,000 years”
http://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/
What’s your source that shows CO2 is NOT increasing, or do you not have one and you just like posting lies all the time?
“C02 is not increasing despite all your lies.”
here, let me google that for you:
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=are+carbon+dioxide+rates+for+the+planet+increasing+or+decreasing
1900 = 220 parts per million
1950 = 280 parts per million
2005 = 380 parts per million
2015 = 402 parts per million
Seems to be increasing to me. Please provide your source showing it’s actually decreasing.
good job agent – keep downvoting facts because they don’t match the lies you keep trying to spread!
BTW Agent, the above was a different Dave than me. I do agree with him on one point, there is very little the US can do to reduce the impact of human caused climate change (if it exists) as for every coal fired power plant we are closing down, the Chinese are opening 5. For any reduced use of Automotive transportation we do here, the burgeoning middle class in China will increase such use multi-fold. And any reduction in CO2 brought on by more efficient planes such as the Boeing’s 787 will be more than offset by the quickly growing use of air travel in the Far East. Fact is there is plenty of evidence for and against human caused climate change. Only issue is the left leaning media tends to report only one side of the issue. And left leaning scientist worrying about their livelihoods through continued funding by left leaning administrations have forgotten all about the scientific method where theories are made based on available evidence, tests are made, more results are provided, more tests are made, more results are provided and sometimes there is proof one way or the other. And sometimes there is never enough proof. We’re nowhere near that point yet despite those who have made up their minds.
You are an example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. It has nothing to do with sunspots. Also, he’s just saying the Dutch know how to deal with it.
Friday, a bunch of heads of state will sign their nations pledge for C02 emission reductions under the Paris Climate Treaty at the UN. What difference will all the pledged reductions make in Global Average temperature and what will it cost?
All climate policies by the US, China, EU and the rest of the world, implemented from the early 2000″s to 2030 and sustained through the century will likely reduce global temperatures by 0.17 degrees in 2100. The cost? As reported by Bloomberg, the International Energy Agency estimates about $16.5 Trillion from now until 2040. For another 60 years, it will be $56.1 Trillion. Not much bang for the bucks, is it?
yeah man, why should we even bother to try to save the planet if we can’t make a ton of money at the same time? while we’re at it, let’s ignore all the data showing CO2 has been increasing since 1900 (end sarcasm)
The sky is falling! The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
Al Gore predicted the North Polar Ice Cap would be completely ice free in five years. Gore made the prediction to a German audience in 2008. He told them that “the entire North ‘polarized’ cap will disappear in 5 years.”
No Sarah. That’s not what Gore said.
Sarah, good old Al was a bit off on his predictions, wasn’t he? Of course the sky is falling crowd swallowed it hook, line and sinker just like they swallowed all of Obama’s lies from day 1. They are easily brainwashed, aren’t they?
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Here are ten reasons we all should be very concerned about climate change:
1. Science academies worldwide, 97% of climate scientists, and 99.9% of peer-reviewed papers on the issue in respected scientific journals argue that climate change is real, is largely caused by human activities, and poses great threats to humanity. In December 2015, 195 nations at the Paris climate change conference all agreed that immediate action must be taken to avert a climate catastrophe.
2. Every decade since the 1970s has been warmer than the previous decade and all of the 17 warmest years since temperature records were kept in 1880 have been since 1998. 2015 is the warmest year globally since 1880 when temperature records were first kept, breaking the record held before by 2014, and 2016 is on track to become the warmest year. The previous 15 months have all broken records for being the hottest month with its name (March, April, etc.). This means, for example, that April 2016 was the warmest April since 1880. July 2016 was the warmest month ever recorded.
3. Polar icecaps and glaciers worldwide have been melting rapidly, faster than scientific projections. This is a factor behind projections that the oceans may rise as much as ten feet by mid-century.
4. There has been an increase in the number and severity of droughts, wildfires, storms, and floods. Seems to be stories about this almost daily on TV news.
5. California has been subjected to so many severe climate events (heat waves, droughts, wildfires, and mudslides when heavy rains occur) recently that its governor, Jerry Brown, stated that, “Humanity is on a collision course with nature.”
6. Many climates experts believe that we are close to a tipping point when climate change will spiral out of control, with disastrous consequences, unless major positive changes soon occur.
7. While climate scientists believe that 350 parts per million (ppm) of atmospheric CO2 is a threshold value for climate stability, the world reached 400 ppm in 2014, and the amount is increasing by 2 – 3 ppm per year.
8. While climate scientists hope that temperature increases can be limited to two degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit), largely because that is the best that can be hoped for with current trends and momentum, the world is now on track for an average increase of 4 – 5 degrees Celsius, which would produce a world with almost unimaginably negative climate events .
9. The Pentagon and other military groups believe that climate change will increase the potential for instability, terrorism, and war by reducing access to food and clean water and by causing tens of millions of desperate refuges fleeing from droughts, wildfire, floods, storms, and other effects of climate change.
10. The conservative group ConservAmerica (www.ConservAmerica.org), formerly known as ‘Republicans for Environmental Protection,’ is very concerned about climate change threats. They are working to end the denial about climate threats and the urgency of working to avert them on the part of the vast majority of Republicans, but so far with very limited success.
As president emeritus of Jewish Veg (formerly Jewish Vegetarians of North America), I want to stress that animal agriculture is a major contributor to climate change, emitting more greenhouse gases (in CO2 equivalents) than all the cars and other means of transportation combined, according to a 2006 UN Food and Agriculture report, “Livestock’s Long Shadow.” And a 2009 cover story in World Watch magazine by two environmentalists associated with the World Bank concluded that the ‘livestock’ sector is responsible for at least 51% of all human-induced greenhouse gases.
Time to make averting a climate catastrophe a central organizing principle for society today and to stress that shifts to plant-based (vegan) diets are essential to avert such a catastrophe and to help shift our imperiled planet onto a sustainable path.
I agree with everything Richard said. However, I think emissions have gone so far that only a way of taking carbon out of the air will save civilisation as we know it. Whatever is envisaged, it would have to possibly be a self replicating seaweed or algae which periodically dies and sinks to the ocean floor, being replaced by newer vegitation. If this spread throughout the globe it may have an impact. The downside is that it may increase the albedo of the seas.
Jontenoy, what have you been smoking?
Ignorant people vote in ignorant politicians that unfortunately make ignorant decisions.