Repeal could happen as early as Thursday of this week.
Obama is AGAIN lying when he said that 20 million would immediately be without insurance coverage. Plans being discussed now retain the policies in force until they expire. Other options being discussed include 1 renewal of an existing ACA plan policy, giving the Congress time to start implementation of the replacement plan.
The replacement won’t simply be a government subsidy of low income people. Rather, it will address the costs directly and indirectly. So, laws must be changed, state by state. The NAIC will be involved in one or more Model Bills for a few issues, including tort reforms for medical malpractice insurance savings.
The health savings account aspect will take a slightly different form than prior typical accounts. The policy forms will change, company by company, to address the affordability problem.
With that said; watch as libitterals censor this truthful post via BOTs.
…It is just another instance of sore loser liberal frustration with American citizens ability and resolve to select good leaders, and cast aside socialist/ communist policies that were taking hold in the US.
Make America Healthy, Wealthy, Wise, and Free to Choose, Again!
Stop. You continue to place yourself on the wrong side of history. There is nothing impressive or righteous about your defiant gloating that Trump will “make American great again”. There is nothing but a sad, youthful arrogance that shines thru every word you spew. I am no longer convinced you are even able to vote. You seem like a bitterly confused talking head that has overheard one too many of your parents diluted conversations about politics. No matter what you say I will not believe you because you are mostly poison but not without angst and hatred. I know it often and swiftly passes through your mind but for once I want you to grab this idea and believe it – you are overflowing with hatred. Hatred for those who are not like you. Hatred for those who choose differently than you. Hatred for those who believe things different than your own beliefs. And more than anything hatred for yourself. No one with confidence, self-respect and any true American pride would say the absolute nonsense you say on this blog. I am disgusted by you.
To everyone else – sorry for this child. Look at what he says. He is not an adult. There is simply no way.
I respect and value your opinions but on this topic I disagree.
“…It is just another instance of sore loser liberal frustration with American citizens ability and resolve to select good leaders, and cast aside socialist/ communist policies that were taking hold in the US.”
He is basically a bully disguising himself as a political philosopher. My grandfather told me years ago that when I’m driving if I only take right turns I will miss much of what our country has to offer. Sometimes turning left, even if what lies ahead may not be preferable, gives you perspective that you wouldn’t have otherwise. I am not asking him to change his views as much as I am to stop belittling others for theirs. He posts on this blog more than just about everyone else and I’d say 90% of his posts, in some way, demean liberals. I do not agree with many liberal points of view, however, I am not going to sh*t on them constantly for it.
Nothing in the above seemed to be bully. He speaks better than I do at times, but he does have an odd way of phrasing things. I would say I speak worse than him often and I have more to work on than he does.
In regards to your grandfather: Trying something just to try it is not a good idea. Most ideas have been tried before, and we are just currently retrying it to challenge it because humans are rebellious in nature. However, that tends to be more destructive than good.
As my dad once said “Aim a gun at a bridge and you’re going to hit it”.
Or, someone more famous, “those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it”.
Currently, people err far to far on the “let’s try this for the sake of it.” and that is causing massive damage. Does that apply to if someone actually did take it as far as Nazism? For an example: Russia already engaged in loosening up sex freedoms in the past and marriage freedoms. With sexual freedom came more babies, with more babies came less success and more poverty, with that came more abuse of the children, with more abuse of the children came more violence in the nation, and their whole fabric began to crumble. At that point abortions went to something like 250 for every 150 live births. When people value sex over life, mistreatment abounds.
This is just in terms of the sexual freedom movement. These guys that are older than us are over the top in how they paint a picture, but they are no less right due to it.
We have a serious threat coming from the left, and the fabric of our society is at risk. It’s time to learn from the past and accept lessons, not charge forward saying “yes we can” doing ignorant things (Yes, Obama quote but I’m not applying it just to democrats so much as a life philosophy)
January 10, 2017 at 4:05 pm
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Yes, learn from the past. History shows running a country based on religious ideals is not a recipe for success. We are a country of religious freedom. If you believe someone can refuse serve someone because of their sexual affiliation then you should also believe we can shun that person for that action.
The fabric of our society has been torn by both sides. Our country was built on revolution. Our country was founded on the ideal that every man is his own man. It is not my job to judge someone for who they have sex with. They may not share my beliefs….so what? I just don’t understand, Bob. Why do some conservatives care so much about that stuff? We are CONSERVATIVES FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! WE MIND OUR OWN BUSINESS!
January 10, 2017 at 5:13 pm
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“Bob,
Yes, learn from the past. History shows running a country based on religious ideals is not a recipe for success.”
Quite the contrary. See my post about when Russia took their actions, I believe it was something like the early 1900’s, it’s earlier than you think, and I’m sure you were not taught about it. I wasn’t.
“We are a country of religious freedom. If you believe someone can refuse serve someone because of their sexual affiliation then you should also believe we can shun that person for that action.”
What? This is really out of nowhere. What are you getting at? Is this the other guy’s opinion? Anyone can choose to not associate with someone they don’t like “shun” that is not hate, it is being around like minded people. As it turns out, diversity actually causes separation. When people share an ideal, they unite. I’m not saying all groups should be segregated, but it is possible this issue for that individual is just a non starter, and he’s choosing not to engage, that is also isolating himself. That other individual will find someone else. Regarding serving people: You should be able to refuse service to whomever you want, or you’re engaging in a slavery relationship business to client. I do not approve of ever crossing that line. Watch me while I say even if someone is black. The vast majority of places will not refuse services because it will harm their business. And, to date, the people who have refused (and it is not an epidemic) merely didn’t want to make a cake for a celebration. This is not the end of the world, they should not have been shut down, not fined $50,000, and that politician just lost their election in Oregon, a notoriously blue state.
“The fabric of our society has been torn by both sides.”
No. Since the 80’s it has been almost 90% the left.
“Our country was built on revolution. Our country was founded on the ideal that every man is his own man.”
What’s your point?
“It is not my job to judge someone for who they have sex with. They may not share my beliefs….so what?”
Same to you, so what? What you’re advocating for here indirectly is dangerous. You don’t even want for people to be able to choose their own friends, without calling them disgusting because they don’t share your opinions of friends. See what I did there? As for forcing businesses to serve…That’s literal fascism if you get entrenched in such laws.
“I just don’t understand, Bob. Why do some conservatives care so much about that stuff? We are CONSERVATIVES FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! WE MIND OUR OWN BUSINESS!”
Some conservatives worry about what happens when society becomes sex obsessed, above children, above family, etc. And they have reason to.
Some conservatives don’t want the laws you want to counter these things.
I don’t think you’re seeing the full picture.
January 10, 2017 at 5:24 pm
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Those last two some people are not necessarily the same by the by.
January 10, 2017 at 8:40 pm
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Explain this behavior. Then you can TRY to analyze my posts.
“Some conservatives worry about what happens when society becomes sex obsessed, above children, above family, etc. And they have reason to.”
Yet you voted for someone who is on his 3rd marriage, has committed adultery, and bragged about entering the dressing room, uninvited, to watch naked women prepare for a beauty pageant.
DT was a better choice than a candidate who did nothing OR who helped cover up her husband’s infidelity or rape of other women, using his position of power as a governor to deny and smear the reputation of the women he abused.
Think about that for a while. If it doesn’t sink in, ask any woman you know, or are related to, to explain it to you.
January 12, 2017 at 7:49 am
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TrumPolarBear,
First, there were more than 2 options. Why do you Trump supporters always assume that us anti-Trump people supported Hillary Clinton?
Second, nearly every woman I know has expressed that they do not support President-elect Trump. Most also did not support Hillary Clinton.
January 12, 2017 at 1:35 pm
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“For an example: Russia already engaged in loosening up sex freedoms in the past and marriage freedoms. With sexual freedom came more babies, with more babies came less success and more poverty,”
The increase in babies is only tangentially related to the debatable loosening of sexual freedoms. More important are economic factors.
Around the time Bob references the GDP in Russia exploded upward by almost 400% during a short period. More financial stability has been shown to increase birth rates even when it is a relatively small increase.
During the same time period Christianity, religiosity, and particularly Orthodox Christianity increased. An increase in Orthodox Christianity, and other religions with less acceptance of birth control naturally would increase birth rates.
Most of this increase was created by oil prices increasing. The crash in oil prices has predictably created increased poverty in the country, leading to more of the negative effects incorrectly attributed above to sexual and other freedoms.
Overall this is rated at 6/10 Bob Heads, because some of the incorrect data is due to bias and a lack of understanding of the economic, political, and social systems in Russia as well as the underlying data in the world, not on outright lies and dishonesty, although points are added due to stating religious-based biases as fact.
January 10, 2017 at 4:28 pm
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Hey Conserving the Lie, I believe you are on the wrong side. That side just lost because the ideas of the left are all wrong for this great country. 10 more days. Get some Preparation H if you need to.
Look at all the Hollyweird libitterals lately, making vids to oppose something they can’t accept like adults.
They continue to insult hard working people for their choices of entertainment; i.e. mixed martial arts and NFL fans.
TrumPresident is ALREADY fixing the exodus of American jobs…
Congress will make their best effort to fix the ACA mess, the bad deal with Iran, the ill will created with former allies such as Israel.
Yet, Libitterals feel the need to continue to judge others who opt for freedom of choice of capitalism, freedom of choice, freedom of speech, and the right of self determination.
Confusing the Truth is now playing amateur internet psychologist, but is doing a very bad job at it.
CTT needs an outlet for his/ her frustration with the current political climate.
No TRUE conservative would vent or rant against the winds of change that delivered Republican control of the White House, both chambers of Congress, and many state legislatures and governors. Oops! I just played ‘internet psychologist’! I must be a hypocrite, … like those who called out TrumPresident for not stating he would accept the results of the elections… but who now can’t accept the results of the election won by TrumPresident.
I wonder who in Hollyweird, who is washed up, will soon release another video pleading with some group of other people to interfere with the political process about to begin on 1/20/17?
Everyone should be aware of the rhetoric and lies that WILL be attempted by Dems when problems resulting from the ACA surface as its’ repeal and replacement occur.
Those lies will primarily be used for political gain by sore loser Dems. If we get the facts from the adults in charge now (and on 1/20/17), we will see through the Dems lies and obfuscations.
If you have a Dem Congressman in your state, write to them, asking about their intentions to support repeal and replace, and ask for a specific reply on their intentions in discussing the replacement plan and the progress made by those involved in the legislation.
Yes everybody stay calm when people start losing insurance and dying, and wait for your righty talking points so you know how to blame liberals. Oh, in 2+ years because 8 years of constant opposition wasn’t enough to come up with a plan that is accepted on the right and they want to delay the effects long enough to not face an election with them
Four plans have been publicized, but snowflake libitterals either can’t read, or don’t know where to find them on the internet.
Most recently, Rand Paul proposed a detailed plan, and Trump agreed with most aspects of it, after the two met to discuss key details.
Libitterals are LYING (to low information voters) about people getting sick and dying. The Hippocratic Oath requires doctors to treat ill patients, so NO ONE WILL DIE due to the repeal and replace.
Haha, “the Hippocratic Oath requires doctors to treat ill patients, so NO ONE WILL DIE due to the repeal and replace.” Holy cow, guy. Oversimplify much? Your statement assumes that people are sitting in the doctor’s office or the ER when something happens. Pretty sure losing insurance coverage implies that you will become much less likely to visit the doctor until the situation is pretty dire. That’s also glossing over having to pay for urgent or emergency care because preventative care is significantly less available, thus potentially incurring much higher medical costs as well.
Also, who bets you liked your own comments and that’s the only reason any of them have a like :P If you actually want to play in the sandbox with the other children and be taken even remotely seriously, try using actual facts to support your claims and less pathetic insults (seriously, your insults are pretty sub-standard: “libitterals”, come on now, you clearly aren’t even trying and just regurgitated that insult from some talk radio segment or blog).
You’re only ‘pretty sure’ of things CNN tells you is true.
Losing insurance doesn’t prevent treatment at a clinic or ER. IF you think otherwise, prove it with facts instead of lies, LIAR!
You lost; deal with it or leave as so many of you sore-ass losers promised to do. Unfortunately for many of us who work, we’ll still have to pay your welfare and food stamp benefits because Mexico won’t allow you in, and Canada enforces its immigration laws and guards its border.
“Pretty sure losing insurance coverage implies that you will become much less likely to visit the doctor until the situation is pretty dire.”
I have insurance coverage. I’m not likely to visit the doctor due to deductibles. This is already common with the ACA.
“That’s also glossing over having to pay for urgent or emergency care because preventative care is significantly less available, thus potentially incurring much higher medical costs as well.”
Every republican plan has preventative services as part of the plan.
Also, if you have an issue and go to the doctor as it is now, you can receive state assistance in the majority of the times if you are truly poor. My brother did, when he was jobless, and at times he made $80,000 a year. If he still had a job, spent poorly, didn’t buy insurance, then yes. He would have a large bill that may bankrupt him. And even then he would not be denied coverage. The stigma that keeps people out of the doctor office is people like you lying about the process.
In America you will get care in all circumstances I can think of but one:
If you didn’t buy insurance, make a lot of money so you can’t get state assistance, you spent poorly as all hell, and you cannot afford something that for some reason the hospital refuses to give treatment on without payment, like cancer medication. Even then, the odds are slim that they won’t simply provide it and send you a bill.
When my dad was in the hospital they didn’t even check insurance when they got him into surgery and didn’t even ask for it because it was a horrible experience.
Of course, that would have bankrupted us if he didn’t have insurance and he spent poorly enough to not get assistance (his bill was in excess of $300,000 for prolonged stay and intensive care), but he would have still been treated. He died of course so meh.
January 10, 2017 at 3:04 pm
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“I have insurance coverage. I’m not likely to visit the doctor due to deductibles. This is already common with the ACA.”
False. High deductible plans are not required by the PPACA and pre-date the law.
“Every republican plan has preventative services as part of the plan.”
That may be true, but we do not know what will be in the final bill and, more importantly, when it will be presented, voted upon, signed and implemented.
The rest of your post indicates you have limited information regarding much of the population in the lower (above the threshold for Medicaid) and middle class. Especially those with pre-existing conditions.
I had to get a plan on the exchange to get maternity care. When I went to do this, there were many that were quite alarmingly cheap for lower deductibles. Then I saw that nearly every local doctor was excluded, and the doctors that were not, most were not accepting new patients.
I really don’t think you know the effect of this law and others like it.
My wife is transitioning and is pregnant. The coverage is for her.
I don’t qualify for a subsidy either. And when you destroy me, and I am the middle class, it harms the entire economy.
I already pay thousands a year in health costs, and health premiums outside of her.
If a family of 6 were to get free healthcare coverage, while making only $40,000 a year, received a tax refund (which they would) to offset social security and medicare taxes, received free day care (which they would) free college (which they would) food stamps then they won’t try to do productive jobs. So this is easily a benefit of $4,000 per year. $80,000 until the kids are about 20 and I should give it more time.
That’s the issue here.
Also, in that income range they won’t just get free health insurance, they likely will get help with costs of child delivery for example, which I was aware of as a service in WA State but would not be eligible for.
So that would remove bills that I paid of about $10,000 over the course of 3 kids over 4 years. I’m guessing the government would cover half of somewhere around $50,000 of health costs for these three kids and the family by the time they are 18.
Let’s do some math shall we? As to why this doesn’t work?
We already spend about 40% of the GDP on these people. I have seen people live off of the government like this, and it needs to be ended, not programs extended.
Here is how a low income family would compare to a higher income educated family during years of having 3 kids. and they are younger like me. Let’s say both earners graduated and tried hard. They then earn $50,000. Side note, they probably paid about $30,000 here to, so they are in debt and are paying that each month. Let’s say they have it on a 10 year loan, and they are paying it off annually at $3,500 per year and the other family ends up getting it free due to Sanders’s free college plan.
$10,000 in health costs they wouldn’t pay.
I pay for half my insurance, and all my wife’s. $10,000 per year they don’t.
$500 per month minimum food stamps, $6,000 per year for 20-25 years.
Day care, 3 kids if they are the average family size: $1,150 per child, MINIMUM in WA state, $13,800, which I have to pay for my wife to be able to work.
Free college more or less, if you are the right age. I would have to pay for this for my wife, and I have. It was something like $550 on the low end for community college for one class and books. One class. That would equate to easily a $5,000 bill on the very lowest degree. That’s not a ton, and I’m going low on purpose, it’s still $5,000 of benefits I don’t get.
Now if I make say $100,000 with 4 kids.
Federal Taxes $8,000 instead of a refund. I now have $92,000. No help with the medical insurance. $82,000. Social security and medicare: $7,650. Now I have $74,350
Food that I pay for, and $500 per month is way too low of a food stamps estimate:
$68,350.
Daycare:
$54,550
$10,000 in medical bills equating to $3,350 roughly per year.
$51,200.
College $3,500 per year:
$47,700.
This for making the right choices, I would be about equal with the family in my state who decided to work at McDonald’s. Moreover, if that person at Mcdonald’s goes to college to work their way up, they only benefit about $7,700 and have to have the stress of school, a job, and paying of debt for years.
This is not sustainable. I have not even covered nearly everything.
We cannot keep pushing these services for free. I’m sorry. Rewards for harder (education wise) work is needed for the U.S. to thrive.
January 10, 2017 at 4:39 pm
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Even more importantly:
If they don’t get married and each claim a kid, (act irresponsible, which will almost certainly lead to them separating, which by the way is the leading cause of abuse for children, which also leads to violence, why do you think Chicago is a hell hole?)
They could get about $7,000 each in tax credits at that $20,000 range. They would also get even more help for the kids and food stamps as separate households.
Not only is it a damaging behavior, as proven by study after study to separate a household, it’s also expensive.
This is what we call the marriage penalty, and responsibility penalty, to the extreme.
It’s also why I believe in god. This is a structure that an entity is forcing to occur form my point of view.
January 10, 2017 at 5:02 pm
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Wow, hypocritical Bob freeloading on Obamacare when his wife is already pregnant. Talk about no personal responsibility.
Have you been to Chicago, idiot? It’s not really a Hell hole, I found it pretty great. It’s beautiful, there’s a ton to do, it’s affordable compared to other large cities, the people were much, much nicer than the predominantly garbage people I encountered in the south, and much nicer and more genuine than the people I lived around in the Pacific Northwest. The gun violence is due to gangs, and is not really widespread in the city. The crime rate isn’t even that high. They are right around 25th amomg large cities. Right below places like Minneapolis and Nashville in violent crimes. They are around 20th in murder rate among large cities.
Take the city Longview, TX, where another prominent idiot here lives. The murder rate there is over about 20% higher than on Chicago.
I would love to live there, it’s much better then 99% of the cities in the US if you like to do anything other then watch TV, or do outdoors things like camp/ATV/Hunt. I wouldn’t like the winter weather, but it’s probably better than most Midwestern states with the lake nearby.
Of course universities, educated people, arts, public transport and museums are negatives for people who prefer a fantasy world and immoral people who grab innocent women by the pussies.
“Wow, hypocritical Bob freeloading on Obamacare when his wife is already pregnant. Talk about no personal responsibility.”
Free loading? I want to wherever I could for coverage, and I don’t get a subsidy. I might add, as I said, I nearly went with a policy which would have left me with no doctor! The doctor’s locally were not accepting new patients. Then what would have happened with my pregnant wife. It messed things up. Because it pulled the switcharoo, I should have just went with the agent who mentioned the cost seemed suspiciously low for a plan with maternity. I first said $200. And then I realized at the end I could not bind for that without screwing my wife. Not everyone is as clever as me, many would have missed that. I am not riding any system. I settled and luckily, I didn’t get harmed without a doctor for my pregnant wife, but if I had bought it? My wife would have been screwed or I would have had to pay the full costs of the average $7,000 dollar bill kid. Math. It’s all I’m about.
“Have you been to Chicago, idiot? It’s not really a Hell hole, I found it pretty great.”
The robberies, murders, etc, and people who live there say otherwise. It is definitely due to the single motherhood problem which that city’s sexual revolution is ten fold causing to be an issue.
“It’s beautiful, there’s a ton to do, it’s affordable compared to other large cities,”
Affordable because no one wants to live there, the other things aren’t related to what I said.
“the people were much, much nicer than the predominantly garbage people I encountered in the south,”
Calling B.S. and you were likely looking in the wrong places. They call it Southern Hospitality for a reason, or it could just be they didn’t like your abrasive me me personality, which I certainly don’t. You’re not polite. They don’t let people be smart asses.
“and much nicer and more genuine than the people I lived around in the Pacific Northwest.”
All of this is not related to numbers, what I said is.
“The gun violence is due to gangs, and is not really widespread in the city. The crime rate isn’t even that high.”
Aha, finally, after going full idiot, you come back to the numbers. Which is due to single motherhood and crime. It is widespread, and yes, the crime rate is high.
106,000 crimes per year. 2.719 million population. Subtracting the kids up to 14 (645,000) In ten years of living there, you would have a 50% chance of being a victim of a crime. And from what I’ve seen from people who live there, this is about right. Assault in particular was much worse.
“They are right around 25th amomg large cities. Right below places like Minneapolis and Nashville in violent crimes. They are around 20th in murder rate among large cities.”
Which is bad.
“Take the city Longview, TX, where another prominent idiot here lives. The murder rate there is over about 20% higher than on Chicago.”
List of cities by crime rates. What do you notice? I will add in voting habits for this states since 2008. This is taking from a crap ton of sites so I’m not going to link them all. It’s going to take me like an hour to finish this. This is research.
1 Detroit, MI
Liberal No explanation needed.
2 Memphis, TN
Part of Shelby County. While Tennessee is conservative, Memphis is most certainly not. Out of 329,771
Clinton: 202,001 votes
Donald Trump:113,536 votes.
3 Oakland, CA
Liberal, no explanation needed.
4 St. Louis, MO
St Louis City 2008 Election:
132,925 Obama
24,662 McCain
This is literally a difference of 6 times.
5 Milwaukee, WI 1,476.41
Has notoriously been liberal for some time.
In 2008:
319,819 For Obama
149,455 for McCain, or Less than half.
6 Baltimore, MD
7 Cleveland, OH
8 Stockton, CA
Liberal, Obvious.
Screw it, you look up the rest. You can see the pattern already. Find the numbers.
9 Indianapolis, IN
10 Kansas City, KS
11 Buffalo, NY
Liberal Obvious
12 Atlanta, GA
13 Washington, DC
Liberal Obvious
14 Nashville, TN
15 Toledo, OH
16 Newark, NJ
Liberal Obvious
17 Miami, FL
Liberal Obvious
18 Philadelphia, PA
Liberal Obvious.
19 Minneapolis, MN
20 Houston, TX
21 New Orleans, LA
Liberal Obvious
22 Cincinnati, OH
23 Orlando, FL
Liberal Obvious
24 Chicago, IL
Liberal Obvious
25 Albuquerque, NM
26 St. Petersburg, FL
Liberal Obvious
27 Anchorage, AK
28 Las Vegas, NV
Liberal obvious
29 Tulsa, OK
30 Pittsburgh, PA
Liberal Obvious
So out of the ones that are obvious and that I have researched: Already over half this list are liberal cities. And it is obvious why. The majority of single mothers are democrat. It stands to reason that considering that is where the crime rate is elevated and where abuse is elevated, that liberal cities that actually played out with high single motherhood would be high. For Chicago, the single motherhood rate is likely the main factor.
4 of the top cities for single motherhood rates are in Illinois.
1. East St. Louis, IL (housing, pop. 31,542): 77.6%
8. Robbins, IL (housing, pop. 6,635): 72.0%
9. Centreville, IL (housing, pop. 5,951): 71.3%
10. Washington Park, IL (housing, pop. 5,345): 71.1%
What is worse, is that co inhabiting abuse to children is worse. Meaning, that as people get divorces for no reason, while single motherhood is bad, dating and not getting married again is even worse. Go look up the numbers, the violence rates are an issue. And yet democrats overwhelmingly try to tell mothers to leave at the first sign of supposed verbal abuse rather than reconcile and rehabilitate families.
You want to live in a city where fathers leave their children, the children are abused, and violence goes around? I don’t.
“I would love to live there, it’s much better then 99% of the cities in the US if you like to do anything other then watch TV, or do outdoors things like camp/ATV/Hunt. I wouldn’t like the winter weather, but it’s probably better than most Midwestern states with the lake nearby.”
And much worse if you want to be in a serious relationship, have children that do well in school, or don’t want to be in a violent neighborhood.
“Of course universities, educated people, arts, public transport and museums are negatives for people who prefer a fantasy world and immoral people who grab innocent women by the pussies.”
That comment Trump said was about consensual behavior. Knock it off kiddo.
But on topic: Yes. The majority of these cities that push these lifestyles are due to universities. I’m educated. I don’t have a problem with education. I have a problem with people like you, saying these issues are not a bid deal and then saying the conservatives are judgmental as you unwrap the binding fabric of society while blaming conservatives.
I just went back to read UW’s idiotic comments about the military spending.
What UW did was try to twist the data.
I showed spending as a percent of GDP, and that was intentional. He said as a nominal dollar value to say well the military exploded to find an aha as he always does. As a percent of gdp, I will quote that again, because you cannot just use nominal dollars. He didn’t prove me wrong, what he did was try to say I was wrong by changing what you pay attention to.
That’s insane, and I said as such in my posts, that as a percentage of GDP the military spending that Reagan proposed was under that of which Carter proposed. I’ve already given this CBO link. Holy crap.
“Outlays during the next three years would be held below 6 percent per year, compared with the compound annual growth of about 13 percent since 1977.”
Now, we can compare all presidents on equal footing. UW just recently told me that we can compare as a percentage to the last president. Now we can’t suddenly? The measure keeps changing to whatever meets his agenda and narrative.
If we go by this measure, we find we have actually been trending down. I’ll post the link, yet again.
And if this has gone down as a percentage of GDP, that is why you weigh the percentage and not adjusted dollars.
It means defense spending has become more affordable, and eats up less of our overall GDP with taxes.
We have many times made bills that create defense budgets as a percentage of GDP, or with the sequester, a default percentage of a cut. This is how bills are made. He did not say “let’s hit this dollar number”. He said “let’s hit this percentage” and since the GDP exploded, the military grew with it. However, this does not mean Reagan exploded the military.
UW was wrong. I’m sick of this bull crap you say. Also, you’re the one who says “get owned”. That’s someone who likes being right.
Here’s the link. Quote, admit you were wrong or I’m done debating you.”
This is his link where he said he posted the cook study, and I told him this was not where I called him out about the cook study numbers when he used them, because quite clearly, none of the links there contain the cook study numbers.
In that link, he clearly references this link, as the first reply to me:
ht tp://ww w.the guardian. com /envir onment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2014/sep/15/97-vs-3-how-much-global-warming-are-humans-causing
THE GUARDIAN LINK I MENTIONED.
He also source quoted a climate change website, which didn’t use the cook et al data,
And now having looked through a horde of crap, I finally found the data link.
This would not be called being a liar. I’m going to go through this in a moment.
This guy points out the difference between are humans causing global warming, and is it a crises.
The majority of papers from the original cook study said, yes, humans are causing global warming, the majority did not go over whether or not it was causing a crises.
This is where I started to tell him that his study did not go over catastrophic climate change. And it didn’t.
Later on one of his studies did, from what I can tell, it’s not cook et al, because he’s right. Cook et al doesn’t go over it, but I know for a fact one of his did and he missed it.
So, I will say I mentioned the wrong study, however, UW did do this. I’m certain of it.
January 10, 2017 at 7:29 pm
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>Affordable because no one wants to live there, the other things aren’t related to what I said.
So by that logic, nobody wants to live in most of the south, and liberal cities are significantly better since they are much more preferable. Also, this is in relation to other large cities, so even Chicago is preferred more than cheaper, conservative hell holes.
>Subtracting the kids up to 14 (645,000) In ten years of living there, you would have a 50% chance of being a victim of a crime.
Crimes against kids, like domestic abuse, which is big everywhere, is still a crime, and still counts you incompetent piece of Trump. So immediately you are engaging in Bob math, and are a disgraced clown. That is almost 25% of the population Einstein.
>List of cities by crime rates. What do you notice?
That you omit smaller, conservative cities. Not intentionally here though I think, because I think it is due to your staggering lack of intelligence, knowledge, or education when it comes to statistics.
Also Trumper, even the data you cite shows Chicago under the national median in every single case. Stop pretending to be smart, embrace your stupidity, or try to actually become informed.
>And from what I’ve seen from people who live there, this is about right. Assault in particular was much worse.
As always, data is irrelevant, it’s “what I’ve seen from people who live there”, from your dad, your brother, your uncle, etc. Nothing having to do with reality on the whole, just Bob experience, Bob math, and Bob reality. Each more bullshit than the rest, even when ignoring the fact that you are a constant liar.
>Meaning, that as people get divorces for no reason,
No reason, like not loving each other, desertion, abuse, health problems, death, etc. Fuck you and your enforced, psychotic, bullshit morality based on your extreme and perverted view of your religion. You are by your own admission an accused serial rapist, defended your friends sexually assaulting women and call people who believe differently than you sinners and supported Trump who is the most despicable presidential candidate in decades, stop lecturing on morality, you have none.
>That comment Trump said was about consensual behavior.
Lying Bob. Pathological, disturbed, insane.
>Yes. The majority of these cities that push these lifestyles are due to universities.
Of coooooourse! Be dumb, it’s better (unless you use your own rationale, and see that conservative cities are cheaper, and therefore less desired). “I love the poorly educated.”
>I’m educated”
No, you aren’t.
>And if this has gone down as a percentage of GDP, that is why you weigh the percentage and not adjusted dollars.”
Nope, liar. You were talking about w/ Reagan, and it was higher as a percentage of GDP every single year he was in office, although in his last year it was only marginally higher. In real terms as you were shown it was a huge increase. You are lying and clueless. I don’t really care about this one, it’s not my argument, all I care about is your weird desire to lie nonstop about everything, and never admit you or your idiotic kin Agent are wrong. Weird beyond belief.
“This is his link where he said he posted the cook study, and I told him this was not where I called him out about the cook study numbers when he used them, because quite clearly, none of the links there contain the cook study numbers.”
Lying Bob. NO quote about catastrophe. No Brains. No decency. Fuck off lying POS psycho.
January 10, 2017 at 9:38 pm
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Actu, check out the probability if you want to do the math, it’a big BM (Bob Math), as usual.
January 11, 2017 at 1:22 am
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“This is his link where he said he posted the cook study, and I told him this was not where I called him out about the cook study numbers when he used them, because quite clearly, none of the links there contain the cook study numbers.”
It’s in the Guardian article right at the top, as expected. And, idiot, it’s a major study that takes 3 seconds to find on Google. And idiot, you presented “evidence” and said the study was fraudulent, even though you obviously didn’t read it. You are a liar at heard.
I don’t care about that dipshit, I care that you have attacked others here, stating absolute falsehoods, and in a cut and dry case like this still can’t grasp reality. You claim he said the the Cook paper said climate scientists said climate change was catastrophic, and claimed that in that paper the percentage was lower than claimed.
He said he never addressed catastrophe in the Cook paper, and that you were a liar for stating otherwise for weeks or months, and asked you to quote him, even providing the link. You can’t admit you are wrong. because you are nuts. You did the same whining about somebody looking into your lies about the government manipulating certain data.
You are a liar.
#BoycottBob
January 11, 2017 at 9:31 am
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Good catch uw. Even removing 1/4 of the population, counting crimes against businesses as against people and assuming crime was randomly distributed across the population he was still off by about 25% (on the high side supporting his claim it should go without saying).
Plus as I’ve mentioned the rate is below the median for large cities and he excludes smaller cities to claim liberal cities have more crime, even though he’s an independent nonpartisan libertarian conservative educated guy, depending on the conversation since most of those aren’t compatible.
Just the math Bob, kiddo
January 11, 2017 at 1:20 pm
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I am not getting into a war with you two again.
I already made my points, I already conceded it is likely not the cook study.
I didn’t read your other posts, and, really it’s a bad move on my part but I cannot spend this much time arguing with you.
The military budget in 1981 was approved as a percentage of GDP. Most are. Reagan did not increase the military budget by any major means and it was not the source of his deficits. I stand by that. As my CBO link showed, the GDP growth was expected to be much lower, which is why in nominal dollars it appears to exploded, since spending was approved as a percentage of GDP and the GDP exploded far past CBO projections.
So on that one, your method of weight is wrong. I shouldn’t have left at that point because I should have known you would try the same tactic, and you’re trying it again. You flood comments until I just leave, and then say I left because I lost.
UW: You have not once said you were wrong, and while I have, you continue to call me extreme. I don’t have time for you.
ACTU: Grow up.
January 11, 2017 at 2:50 pm
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Don’t waste your time on this idiot, Actu. He lied for weeks specifically arguing that I claimed the Cook study said climate scientists agreed climate change would be catastrophic and called me a liar and insane for disputing that. When asked for a quote he continued to call me a liar but now pretends it was a different study, even though the ENTIRE point was his lies about what he claimed I said about Cook.
It is comical, and completely expected, the very second data is produced he says he is done and won’t look at it. Even the “data” he “cites” is a link to a data site, not an actual dataset like I linked for you, formatted for the correct years. Use the data I gave you as you wish of course, but even though it is his dataset disproving what he claimed he denies it, and will until the end, where he will call you a liar and say you want him dead, because that’s what hypothetical pieces of garbage do, it’s their nature.
He is a lying piece of shit and I’m done interacting with him, you should consider it too. One of his main psychological disorders is the need to feel and be perceived as intelligent, but he’s an uneducated extremist incapable of debate, because he can’t and won’t consider other data, even when it’s just his data going against his claim. I’ve seen more intelligent Twitter bots.
January 12, 2017 at 1:17 pm
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>This is where I started to tell him that his study did not go over catastrophic climate change. And it didn’t.
Liar, liar, liar. This is the entire point you lying Fuck. Just like you lie about me, Ron, Confused, and Planet, you cannot stop yourself. You know the comments are still there right?
I looked through them. They were linked when you were calling him a liar for a month, the same time you were calling me a liar, and when you were calling another person dishonest and freaking out because they checked your data and found it didn’t exist, and you’re backup data want related to what you claimed. Kinda like the Chicago and Reagan stats here. A pattern.
The ENTIRE POINT DUMBFUCK was that you said he claimed the Cook paper addressed the level of catastrophe. He didn’t, He told you this repeatedly. I looked through, and you have said you couldn’t find it, but were still right. Now you change your story. Deplorables will be deplorable.
As for not using Obamacare, your are wrong, as usual. Not receiving subsidies (which I doubt with your history) does not mean you didn’t benefit from it. You received a policy that will result in a loss for the company because you did not plan, and were not responsible before getting pregnant. YOU ARE A TAKER!
Just because it was the best deal for you, or because you declare otherwise doesn’t mean it’s not true.
January 9, 2017 at 1:04 pm
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What you are describing is sick care and not healthcare, Comrade Yogi.
Republicans will see to it that people get more than sick care, eventually.
Dems / Libitterals saying people will not get care is sensationalizing and pure lies.
Dems saw to it that the US Health Care Industry got screwed up by ACA. Republicans must fix the MESS that Dems left behind as they were thrown out of state government legislatures, the US Congress, and The White House, over the past 6-10 years.
January 9, 2017 at 1:44 pm
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Oh, “eventually”, whew! Well, that’s good. In the meantime, don’t get sick and if you do get sick, I hope you are close to an ER. Otherwise, die quickly, no one wants you to suffer. No worries, the Russian Republican collective hearts and prayers go out to your loved ones in your absence.
January 9, 2017 at 7:45 pm
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If “eventually” isn’t fast enough for any sore loser libitterals trolling this website, they have the freedom to move to Cana-duh. Please, for the sake of patriots and freedom loving people, do it! Don’t hesitate another second! Move soon, before Socialist Canadian PM Justin True-D’oh builds a wall to keep out Hollyweird’s libitterals and tries to make Trump pay for it.
January 9, 2017 at 7:46 pm
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Got to leave soon to stock up on vodka for my inauguration party, just 11 days away now.
January 10, 2017 at 9:16 am
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Comrade Yogi,
Speaking about Hollyweirds, how about that soon-to-be Executive Producer of “The Apprentice” in Chief. That guy is so weird, he has said he’d date his own daughter, he’s watched underage girls get undressed backstage of his pageant, he grabs women in the genitals whenever he wants (or just sexually assaults them on the mouth which is why he always carries Tic Tacs), wonders out loud about the future breast size of his one year old daughter on national TV, has allegedly raped a minor, spoke about his own Little Donnie on a political stage, mocks physically disabled people, and lies over 70% of the time he speaks. Now, that’s a recipe for a weirdo!
January 10, 2017 at 11:06 am
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Captain, in his defense he did reportedly wonder if it was wrong to be now sexually attracted to his young daughter than his wife.
January 10, 2017 at 11:26 am
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*more. Not now.
January 10, 2017 at 1:03 pm
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censorship
Oh, “eventually”, whew! Well, that’s good. In the meantime, don’t get sick and if you do get sick, I hope you are close to an ER. Otherwise, die quickly, no one wants you to suffer. No worries, the Russian Republican collective hearts and prayers go out to your loved ones in your absence.
January 10, 2017 at 1:05 pm
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Very true, UW. I often look at my daughters and…THAT IS THE ABSOLUTE FURTHEST THING FROM MY MIND! Unbelievable. Only in America can this kind of disgusting become Prez.
January 10, 2017 at 4:23 pm
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Bob, if you like your plan, you can keep it, PERIOD. If you like your doctor, you can keep him, PERIOD. The average savings is $2,500 per family, PERIOD! Signed, Barack H. Obama
Democratic lie of the century.
January 11, 2017 at 8:50 am
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What you are describing is sick care and not healthcare, Comrade Yogi.
January 12, 2017 at 8:49 am
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Comrade Yogi,
Speaking about Hollyweirds, how about that soon-to-be Executive Producer of “The Apprentice” in Chief. That guy is so weird, he has said he’d date his own daughter, he’s watched underage girls get undressed backstage of his pageant, he grabs women in the genitals whenever he wants (or just sexually assaults them on the mouth which is why he always carries Tic Tacs), wonders out loud about the future breast size of his one year old daughter on national TV, has allegedly raped a minor, spoke about his own Little Donnie on a political stage, mocks physically disabled people, and lies over 70% of the time he speaks. Now, that’s a recipe for a weirdo!
January 13, 2017 at 2:28 am
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Planet, Tic Tac Electoral College Ex-Apprentice Host ripped on Schwarzenegger for bad Apprentice ratings. Donnie Tic Tac, NBC and Schwarzenegger do better if the show does well, but only Trump can claim to do better if it fails. So, of course Donnie Tic Tac is cheering for it to fail so he can try to look good.
He will be exactly the same with the country; if it is between the country failing and Incest-Curios, Accused Pedophile Donnie Tic Tac potentially looking good he will let the country fail, and cheer as it does.
Arnold actually got 2nd in the ratings for that time slot. Does that make him President of TV?
Hey I have a ton of downvotes and Bob is back from his melt down. For fun to look in the individual mandate thread, he got embarrassed by 3 people, lied as usual, put words in everybody else’s mouths, and disappeared the second data was presented. Bob’s MO.
Oy vey, I’m tired of having to do this with kids like you.
A: Confused has said the concept I accused him of when it comes to the right.
B: Name someone I put words into their mouths, and I am assuming you mean Confused. I was correct, though wrong that he specifically said me in that one post. ONE. He has numerous times implied that conservatives are not rooted in reality. Do you believe they are rooted in reality? Are you going to try and lie now and say you do? Then I’m right in the concept and I’m not putting words into people’s mouths. There’s a reason you remove the object, and turn it into a subject. It removes objectivity and allows you to make things subjective to what you want. I shouldn’t have to keep you in line, but I do. Because some people follow after this virtue signaling in the younger crowd and envy pricks like you.
C: I did not get embarrassed. I was getting harassed and pissed off. My comment about the medical went to a tangent, and it was clear that you guys can say whatever you want about agent, but the moment I come in and say confused is over zealous with the right, you explode. It’s mental kid.
D: What Data? UW doesn’t even have his own data. He quoted the Guardian in what he referenced and asked me to point out where in the study it said what I was saying. I replied that I could ask the same of him, because what he pointed to, didn’t have the data.
E: UW has quite clearly sold the Cook study as the go to study for climate change, and I’ve quite clearly called it wrong. Instead of saying I lied about what he said about his own study, why don’t you direct my new study? I noticed you haven’t yet. It’s because you want to make things about ad hominem, as usual.
I see links from him in there from the same source you provided, so your Guardian line is incorrect or a lie. You are embarrassing yourself in the Cook study. You bombed each thread calling him a liar saying he claimed the Cook study said climate scientists believed climate change was catastrophic. He said the study wasn’t about that and even provided links to the stories asking for a quote verifying what you claimed and you never provided it. You are a liar.
You also argued with another person doing almost the same thing, lying about your data and demanding they find it on their own, and then saying it was their fault when it didn’t exist, and have also lied about me in a similar manner.
You are a fucking liar to the first degree. I find it very odd you won’t just admit you were wrong about what you claim he said about Cook et al or the data you claimed to cite. Even the Reagan military spending reduction is debunked in the other thread and you can’t accept it. Nothing matters to you but seeming smart and thinking you won, regardless of the math. UW was right, every single time someone presents data you disappear and say you don’t have the time. What a joke, both intellectually and morally.
“I see links from him in there from the same source you provided, so your Guardian line is incorrect or a lie. You are embarrassing yourself in the Cook study. You bombed each thread calling him a liar saying he claimed the Cook study said climate scientists believed climate change was catastrophic. He said the study wasn’t about that and even provided links to the stories asking for a quote verifying what you claimed and you never provided it. You are a liar.”
Then give me the link. The place he just said we talked about it, it used Guardian. Go back to the link he referenced. I just asked him where the data was there, and he didn’t give me the link. So why don’t you, if you claim it’s there. That wouldn’t be called not being a liar, it would be called not seeing the link. Also, I did provide a link for mine, he didn’t provide a link for his. If so, show me the data, with his link. Here is mine:
See how it shows what was asked and what was responded? Now show me the cook et al, and I will point out where it is wrong again, I know he and I had this conversation, not being able to find it does not make me a liar, but I’m willing to play it out again. Show me his data, and I will do so.
“You also argued with another person doing almost the same thing, lying about your data and demanding they find it on their own, and then saying it was their fault when it didn’t exist, and have also lied about me in a similar manner. ”
Source quote or it didn’t happen. What topic? What was it about? I call B.S. I think I know what you’re talking about, and I moments later quoted the link, this was me and confused talking about the oceanic warming. I came back to it. I also showed how if you instead of consolidating 4 different types used the most recent from 2003, the government is doubling the effect. I am correct on that.
He asked for it and I did give it.
“You are a fucking liar to the first degree.”
Fuck you. No I’m not.
“I find it very odd you won’t just admit you were wrong about what you claim he said about Cook et al or the data you claimed to cite.”
Because I wasn’t, and he kept on saying everyone else was against the data. Also, his links he just referred to did not have data. If so, show me the link.
“Even the Reagan military spending reduction is debunked in the other thread and you can’t accept it.”
Not what I said, and I already gave links about federal spending on this matter, to show that military spending was not the cause of our deficits during Reagan, which I showed a CBO study with his proposed spending cuts, I am correct that Reagan could not get the spending cuts he wanted. He did not increase or propose spending increases. I have asked nearly every day for two months for a link, and he has not given a single source to show me a proposed spending bill by Reagan. I have however given links showing decreases proposals which he wrote off.
“Nothing matters to you but seeming smart and thinking you won, regardless of the math.”
That’s you and UW.
“UW was right, every single time someone presents data you disappear and say you don’t have the time. What a joke, both intellectually and morally.”
Wrong. I don’t have time to do these posts all day.
January 10, 2017 at 7:02 pm
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By the way: I’m being intentionally sarcastic with the source quote or it didn’t happen.
I’m throwing it back in your face. UW is trying that crap right now. I’m sure this happened and I’m not going to spend hours searching for it.
If it did not, and I am somehow wrong, this would be a reasonable area to be wrong in, and then focusing on it, would be unreasonable, rather than the topic. In no scenario would you not be obsessed with being right, if you cannot argue the topic. Conservatives were called insane for not agreeing with climate change as supported by democrats and climate change measures. They aren’t. I stand by my comment that there is every reason to question this. And if you want to use ad hominem as the route of your arguments go ahead. This is absurd.
We all saw your debate Confused and say we should torture if there is any chance of stopping a terrorist attack. You created a number, like 3% chance of the tortured having info, meaning 97% chance of not having info and being innocent.
I am genuinely intrigued as to whether your are actually this much of a liar, so messed up you don’t actually remember this, or just insane. You even said you torture and check the info. You exec said exec if only 3/100 have info and don’t give false info:
>It does not make us by concept as bad as our enemies because we torture for tgis obvious reason:
The reason and motivation for the torture
You are a compulsive liar who thinks because you don’t know how to research previous statements they don’t exist. Nothing you say is based in reality or true.
January 9, 2017 at 1:30 pm
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Before obamacare, people weren’t just dying because they didn’t have insurance. They went to a doctor at a hospital and were treated and the taxpayers footed the bill. Stop sensationalizing and give TRUMP a chance. He isn’t the President yet. Obama is.
Exactly, and now they are given the bill again for more expensive, less effective care, with more people dying. Great point and nice to see you agree, but I don’t get what going back to not every that, but a system where people have Medicare cut massively does to improve it. At least the GOP is covering their tracks outlawing the budget reports and analysis from counting the effects of removing Obamacare.
Tolerance, we did have our revolution this past year. We kicked out the Progressive Socialists from power. They are the sorest of losers. I recommend they go down to the drug store and stock up on Preparation H. They can get it over the counter and medicate their butts every day of the week.
ACA made a mess that Republicans have to clean up.
Same thing goes for Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid.
Loser liberals will now blame Republicans for the ACA death-spiral effects. The Crying Liberal Main Stream Media will blame all of the resulting transition problems on the repeal and replace. The truth is the death spiral will cause nearly all of the near future adverse effects.
I’m so old, I remember President-Elect Perverted Underaged-girl Peeping Incest Curious Alleged Child Raping Dishonest Dumb Donnie Tic Tacs and his sexually deranged carnival digits stating, no promising he is the only candidate who would not be touching the benefits of SS, Medicare, and using a cap on Medicaid over and over and over again. So, is he lying to you or to the Americans who voted thinking he wasn’t going to mess with those programs?
From Forbes:
“So where does President-elect Trump stand on cuts to entitlements, other than the Medicaid cap he embraced during the campaign—the one that’s already built into Steuerle’s grim numbers? During the campaign, Trump promised to protect Social Security without cutting benefits, raising taxes, or raising the retirement age, suggesting a long term funding shortfall—starting in 2035, the tax dollars coming in will be enough to pay only 77% of benefits—could be solved simply by goosing the economy and cutting waste, fraud and abuse. Similarly, when it comes to Medicare, Trump has promised to protect benefits, but has offered no real ideas for curbing the growth of costs, other than allowing the program to negotiate with pharmaceutical companies,which Republicans have traditionally opposed.”
Since more people voted against Drumpfy than for him, maybe you should just go to Russia. They love your kind over there, celebrate you, even. You said you need more vodka, they are not in short supply there. And it’s good, I suggest Russian Standard or Jewel of Russia, both are excellent pours.
Since more people voted against Drumpfy than for him, maybe you should just go to Russia. They love your kind over there, celebrate you, even. You said you need more vodka, they are not in short supply there. And it’s good, I suggest Russian Standard or Jewel of Russia, both are excellent pours.
Oh, and please refrain from the insulting name. You can attack public figures all you want, just not other posters. Isn’t that right, Insurance Journal?
January 11, 2017 at 12:11 pm
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Stop being such a whiny, cry baby, snowflake, Cappie. It is not becoming of you.
January 11, 2017 at 1:19 pm
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Oh Patticake,
I shed no tears, I didn’t like either major party candidate. I’m just going to be critical of the puppet in charge. Get used to it and cheers!
January 11, 2017 at 3:38 pm
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Captain do you think the tic tacs mask the stench of urine?
January 12, 2017 at 1:09 pm
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Dude probably loves pee so much, he likely has Tic Tacs make his own special urine-flavored mints. Actually, strike that. I think he has them made in a different flavor, because it’s nothing more than a bunch of bulltrump that comes out of his mouth all the time.
January 12, 2017 at 4:08 pm
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Now we know why they gave his plane that weird water salute when it left the airport when he was going to meet with Obama.
Since more people voted against Drumpfy than for him, maybe you should just go to Russia. They love your kind over there, celebrate you, even. You said you need more vodka, they are not in short supply there. And it’s good, I suggest Russian Standard or Jewel of Russia, both are excellent pours.
I’m so old, I remember President-Elect Perverted Underaged-girl Peeping Incest Curious Alleged Child Raping Dishonest Dumb Donnie Tic Tacs and his sexually deranged carnival digits stating, no promising he is the only candidate who would not be touching the benefits of SS, Medicare, and using a cap on Medicaid over and over and over again. So, is he lying to you or to the Americans who voted thinking he wasn’t going to mess with those programs?
From Forbes:
“So where does President-elect Trump stand on cuts to entitlements, other than the Medicaid cap he embraced during the campaign—the one that’s already built into Steuerle’s grim numbers? During the campaign, Trump promised to protect Social Security without cutting benefits, raising taxes, or raising the retirement age, suggesting a long term funding shortfall—starting in 2035, the tax dollars coming in will be enough to pay only 77% of benefits—could be solved simply by goosing the economy and cutting waste, fraud and abuse. Similarly, when it comes to Medicare, Trump has promised to protect benefits, but has offered no real ideas for curbing the growth of costs, other than allowing the program to negotiate with pharmaceutical companies,which Republicans have traditionally opposed.”
Troll-posting on behalf of George Sore-ass? How much do you get paid these post-election loss days?
January 10, 2017 at 1:07 pm
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I’m so old, I remember President-Elect Perverted Underaged-girl Peeping Incest Curious Alleged Child Raping Dishonest Dumb Donnie Tic Tacs and his sexually deranged carnival digits stating, no promising he is the only candidate who would not be touching the benefits of SS, Medicare, and using a cap on Medicaid over and over and over again. So, is he lying to you or to the Americans who voted thinking he wasn’t going to mess with those programs?
From Forbes:
“So where does President-elect Trump stand on cuts to entitlements, other than the Medicaid cap he embraced during the campaign—the one that’s already built into Steuerle’s grim numbers? During the campaign, Trump promised to protect Social Security without cutting benefits, raising taxes, or raising the retirement age, suggesting a long term funding shortfall—starting in 2035, the tax dollars coming in will be enough to pay only 77% of benefits—could be solved simply by goosing the economy and cutting waste, fraud and abuse. Similarly, when it comes to Medicare, Trump has promised to protect benefits, but has offered no real ideas for curbing the growth of costs, other than allowing the program to negotiate with pharmaceutical companies,which Republicans have traditionally opposed.”
Big news missed in the latest 3 million votes fewer Donnie tic tac carnival when he assured us the wall he would start on day 1 will be paid for by Mexico. He said they might pay us back later with a tax. I guess our taxes will be going down a lot if we will be taxing other countries for our projects.
That was before he refused to say in front of camera that he and his staff had not committed treason and had contact with Russia.
Let’s do what they do Down Under
That’s right, their beaches and exotic wildlife aren’t the only things keeping Australians happy — their medical system is too! In Australia, public coverage is guaranteed to all, but the state encourages wealthier individuals to use a private system by enforcing an additional 1% tax on those who fall above a certain income level but use the public system anyway. The fruits of the government’s innovative techniques are evident in Australia’s death rate from conditions amenable to medical care, which was a startling 50% less than America’s in 2003 and 25% less than the United Kingdom’s.
Please state the SPECIFIC death rates you are referring to. Then, we can all see the results to be not much more than statistical variation of a miniscule number.
Just Me posted PERCENTAGES of population, not actual counts. You saying one place has more people than the other is pointless when the discussion is about what percent of the population is impacted as opposed to a raw tally of the numbers.
No, absolute numbers mean something. You just can’t comprehend the concepts of relative magnitude and credibility.
January 9, 2017 at 7:54 pm
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Wrong.
Percentage CHANGES are not the same as PERCENTAGES of a population.
Go back to kindergarten and repeat all of your reading lessons.
January 10, 2017 at 12:14 am
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Just when you think they cannot say anything to make themselves appear dumber than they already are they do something like this. Yogi makes these claims after lying and claiming to have a degree in statistics. What trash.
January 10, 2017 at 7:44 am
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Example:
Australian mortality rate = .004 = .4%.
US mortality rate = .006 = .6%
Your example is inaccurate for this conversation. If two things increase by the same percentage, they’ve increased by the same percentage even if the overall numbers may not be equal. Example:
You make $100,000 a year and get a 4% raise –> $104,000
I make $20,000 a year and get a 4% raise –> $20,800
Your final number is bigger based on the fact you had more to start, but we each experienced a 4% increase.
January 10, 2017 at 10:44 am
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Ask an adult for help.
January 10, 2017 at 10:59 am
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Adults agree with me on this matter. Please direct your condescending trolling insults somewhere else.
January 10, 2017 at 1:04 pm
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Don’t blame them, TrumPolarBear. They are using Common Core math that was crammed down our educational system’s throat by…THE LIBERALS..
January 10, 2017 at 2:30 pm
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I learned “regular” math as they didn’t start teaching Common Core until many years after I graduated college. Regardless, MATH IS MATH and the numbers work out to be the same so your post is useless, unless you were just trolling me.
January 10, 2017 at 2:39 pm
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Don’t flatter yourself, Confused. I’m not a troll. I’m a Republican.
January 10, 2017 at 3:42 pm
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Don’t kid yourself Patticake, those terms are not mutually exclusive.
January 10, 2017 at 3:50 pm
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You are 100% wrong Yogi. You want to compare percentage changes when the population sizes aren’t the same size. Comparing the nominal change between 2 populations when one is 7% as big as the other is wrong, and idiotic. A 10% change in Australia would look similar to a 1-2% change in the US.
If you actually had a degree in statistics, instead of just lying about having one, you would know this. I guess this wasn’t taught at Trump University, or whichever university you pretended to go to.
Stop talking about math and statistics, you are incompetent.
Why do you keep posting a link about “Vice President Joe Biden repeatedly [telling] protesting Democrats to sit down and shut up”?
January 10, 2017 at 8:52 am
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It is because the Trump Empire is paying him to post useless crap in an attempt to indoctrinate us into becoming blind lemmings like him and Agent. There is no other logical reason.
Ron, why are you always looking for our approval if you dislike our side of the aisle so much?
January 10, 2017 at 1:36 pm
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Patticake,
What makes you think I am looking for your approval?
I just want you to realize that you are a bunch of lying hypocrites who are blindly following your Republican overlords.
January 10, 2017 at 2:45 pm
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“Patticake,
What makes you think I am looking for your approval?
I just want you to realize that you are a bunch of lying hypocrites who are blindly following your Republican overlords.”
Which is why republican voters break from their party more often than democrats, and why democrats tend to support party issues more than republicans, (as in republicans are divided) and is why the schools teach our kids liberal horse crap, and 80% of kids who graduated college were in favor of Sanders?
Yeah, we totally have a conservative indoctrination problem.
You need to battle the left, not the supposed hypocrites on the right. The right is always kept in line, because conservatives fight with each other all the damn time over hot issues.
You would know this if you paid attention to your step father or father I cannot recall which.
They abandon candidates, like they did Bob Dole, for cheating, whereas Clinton, it made him stronger.
You’re wrong politically and you’re immature emotionally, as well as horribly well versed spiritually.
January 10, 2017 at 2:48 pm
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Go google Trump and find me the overlord stance protecting him.
Go ahead. I’ll wait. I google him EVERY DAY.
AND EVERY DAY
Literally EVERY article, even most those from Fox when I scroll down, at the top, insult Trump. In fact, other than a few Neutral Fox articles? I see 95 or above % insults and lies and I have pointed out as such these lies.
The over lords are certainly not Trumpians so to speak.
On my Iphone? I flip to News, and literally EVERY DAY on that one, it is Trump bashing horse crap. Unlike Google, you will NEVER see an article saying praise to Trump.
Yeah, such bias. Kid, grow up and fight the people you should before your kids run into this type of indoctrination. It has to be battled, and that means crushing the left, who they will be prone to go to due to virtue signaling. Statistically your kids are not at risk of going too far right.
January 10, 2017 at 6:16 pm
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Yeah Ron, we need more neutral sources like Fox News, who Bob has claimed over and over he doesn’t read or view.
For instance just this week a company confirmed the announcement they made 18 months ago saying they were keeping jobs here and I only saw a dozen sources reporting on Trump’s Tweets taking credit, it should be thousands repeating his lies. Trump should also be praised for skipping intelligence briefings, lying about them being rescheduled, dismissing what was in them before he was briefed, and releasing a pre-written letter 10 minutes after the briefing conflating what was in the briefing and the separate topic of voting machines. Also they should spin the conflicts of interests positively. So what he lied and underclaimed tens of billions of dollars of debt to countries like China? Praise him for not lying by trillions.
January 10, 2017 at 6:24 pm
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“Yeah Ron, we need more neutral sources like Fox News, who Bob has claimed over and over he doesn’t read or view.”
I haven’t source quoted them, and I’m talking about what I saw come up in google. The only companies that had a non negative stance were Fox News. I am not calling Fox News neutral. This is you being an idiot.
“For instance just this week a company confirmed the announcement they made 18 months ago saying they were keeping jobs here and I only saw a dozen sources reporting on Trump’s Tweets taking credit, it should be thousands repeating his lies.”
This is sheer insanity. Every major agency is reporting on this, and most have lied. For example, I showed where Ford gave Trump credit.
“Trump should also be praised for skipping intelligence briefings, lying about them being rescheduled, dismissing what was in them before he was briefed, and releasing a pre-written letter 10 minutes after the briefing conflating what was in the briefing and the separate topic of voting machines. Also they should spin the conflicts of interests positively. So what he lied and underclaimed tens of billions of dollars of debt to countries like China? Praise him for not lying by trillions.”
All of this is sheer evidence to what I’m talking about. Where did you read this UW?
The supposed positive articles about Trump? Can you direct me to some positive articles about Trump, from maybe 5 news agencies?
Go ahead. I’ll wait.
January 10, 2017 at 7:06 pm
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But really, there should be thousands of articles otherwise the world is biased.
There is a denial quote if I’ve ever heard one. That makes it so no matter how much they report, it just should be that way.
Also, if you found a dozen, that’s about how many links fit on one page. Did you try clicking “next page” dumbass? Or did you skip that over?
January 11, 2017 at 9:13 am
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>In fact, other than a few Neutral Fox articles
Yeah UW, when he says he doesn’t read or listen to Fox it’s not a “source quote” idiot so it doesn’t count. /s
January 11, 2017 at 1:28 pm
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Yeah UW, when he says he doesn’t read or listen to Fox it’s not a “source quote” idiot so it doesn’t count. /s”
What the fuck are you talking about? You insane son of a bitch.
Go google Trump. Tell me what links you see. If you do that, do you read all the news agencies you see?
That’s what I did. I did NOT look up Fox News. I did NOT as I never do, READ FOX NEWS and moreover, this is AGAIN your bigoted behavior. The only reason you two are holding on to this is because you’re trying to say I’m extreme and listen to Fox News, because you think that’s a valid attack route.
I have not source quoted Fox News here, I always use other links. Fuck you for trying to attach me to them because I did a google search for Trump to see who says positive things about Trump. And the answer, again, is no one. Briebart had a positive article when I googled a month ago, and they seem to be the only place that ever does. Did I even read the article full way through? No. But the title was enough to know. If it says “Trump lied about jobs” we can assume it is negative, if like Fox’s title said “Ford keeps jobs in the U.S.” we can assume it is neutral, and if it says like Briebart, “Trump saves 8,000 jobs” we can assume it is positive.
You’re a fucking idiot.
January 11, 2017 at 1:30 pm
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And yes, by the way:
Googling Trump and seeing who has positive links, is NOT reading Fox News.
Fuck face.
January 11, 2017 at 3:41 pm
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The guy who quotes cartoons and pastes spam after every comment is calling people childish. Rich
January 12, 2017 at 1:42 pm
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“The guy who quotes cartoons and pastes spam after every comment is calling people childish. Rich”
I do not quote cartoons, that’s agent.
If I ever have, it is not a regular occurrence, and none of my debate on the last month has included a single one.
Also, posting many comments to make a point is not spam.
Further to the point: I cannot get to a point where UW won’t leave a half a million comments when he believes I am done with a topic, in an attempt to get the last word.
Furthermore: I’m insulting the action of what you’re doing, rather than saying “you do this!” to take focus off your own shit, look inward.
You were in the wrong just now. I do not read Fox News, you didn’t catch me in some lie.
If you did this same research to find out the same thing, could I say you are a regular reader of Fox News if you said you googled Hillary and nothing good came up?
No! This is insane harassment. The reason I am irate here is largely due you and UW harassing the hell out of me.
Knock it off!
January 12, 2017 at 3:21 pm
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I was not replying to you Bob. Stop your incessant fucking whining. I replied to the person with the cartoon name, who accused others of being childish. Now apologize for your unfounded attack on me, or at least admit you were confused.
All I did was join in on UW calling you a liar after he proved you were lying by attributing statements to him that he never made while you were simultaneously calling me a liar, Ron a liar, and Confused a liar. Geez, don’t see any replies to the posts with data. Get over yourself idiot.
January 10, 2017 at 6:55 pm
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List the 3 main causes of death among African-Americans and those for Australians, split between Caucassians and Australoids (smallest race on Earth).
One thing not evident in the mortality rates in the comparison of SUMMARY stats is deaths via violence to African Americans due to gang violence in large cities; e.g. Chicago, Baltimore, LA, NYC, etc.
How are the above sources of death treated in the ‘stats’ you quoted but did not reference via a link? If those are considered in ‘conditions amenable to medical care’, then they are indeed misleading and inappropriate to argue your point.
So, once it is repealed, are the free preventative services going away? You can give us that much at least, can’t you Comrade Yogi? Or, are you afraid to tell us? I know how fear works with Faux News crowd. Though, it usually generates some sort of action the corporate overlords want.
So, once it is repealed, are the free preventative services going away? You can give us that much at least, can’t you Comrade Yogi? Or, are you afraid to tell us? I know how fear works with Faux News crowd. Though, it usually generates some sort of action the corporate overlords want.
TrumPolar, How about a little truth to get us started for the week? Title of the Article is US. Written by Paul Genova who said – I’m noticing that a lot of you aren’t graciously accepting the fact that your candidate lost.
In fact, you seem to be posting even more hateful things about those of us who voted for Trump.
Some of you are apparently “triggered” because you are posting how “sick” you feel about the results.
How did this happen you ask?
You created “us” when you attacked our freedom of speech.
You created “us” when you attacked our right to bear arms.
You created “us” when you attacked our Christian beliefs.
You created “us” when you constantly referred to us as racists.
You created “us” when you constantly called us xenophobic.
You created “us” when you told us to get on board or get out of the way.
You created “us” when you forced us to buy health care and financially penalized us for not participating.
You created “us” when you lied and said we could keep our insurance plans and our doctors.
You created “us” when you allowed our jobs to continue to leave the country.
You created “us” when you attacked our flag.
You created “us” when you took God out of our schools
You created “us” when you confused women’s rights with feminism.
You created “us” when you began to emasculate men.
You created “us” when you decided to make our children soft.
You created “us” when you decided to rewrite school history books and remove the truth about our founders.
You created “us” when you decided to vote for Progressive Ideas.
You created “us” when you attacked our way of life.
You created “us” when you decided to let our government get out of control.
You created “us”, the silent majority.
You created “us” when you took a knee or stayed seated or didn’t remove your hat during our National Anthem.
And we became fed up and we pushed back and spoke up. And we did it with ballots, not bullets, with ballots, not riots, with ballots, not riots, with ballots, not looting, with ballots, not blocking traffic, with ballots, not fires, except the one you started inside of “us”.
Ok Progressives, feel free to down vote me 150 times or more.
You also cannot discount the fact that over 7 million more people voted for someone other than Donald Trump. If you factor in the unknown millions who likely voted for Donald Trump solely to keep Hillary Clinton from getting elected, that leaves a relatively small percentage of the voters who actually voted because they want Donald Trump to be our next president.
You could not say the same thing in 2008 and 2012 regarding President Obama.
Bush, Harding, and Reagan were not running, he already said he didn’t vote for Trump.
January 10, 2017 at 11:09 am
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Agent,
We have been recovering for 7+ years now. But hey, why let facts get in the way of your false narrative.
Would you like to compare economic indicators of 2008 to 2017 and see whether or not there has been a recovery? You would be wise to decline.
January 10, 2017 at 1:29 pm
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Ron voted for Reagan both times, Agent?
January 10, 2017 at 2:49 pm
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Did you just again try to imply Reagan was one of the worst presidents in History?
Such nonsense.
January 10, 2017 at 3:22 pm
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If Agent is allowed to have his OPINION that President Obama is the worst president in our history, Captain Planet is free to have his OPINION that President Reagan was the worst.
Welcome to America!! Don’t like it? Feel free to move.
January 11, 2017 at 9:17 am
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Reagan was very successful at destroying the middle class. Also at bringing astrology into the white house, something we will wish Trump could just do after hours idiocy takes hold. Just the bill for cleaning up his prostitutes’ urine and keeping a home in NY will be expensive beyond belief. Family values.
January 11, 2017 at 12:59 pm
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“Reagan was very successful at destroying the middle class”
Show your work, this is a statement of fact and is untrue.
“Also at bringing astrology into the white house, something we will wish Trump could just do after hours idiocy takes hold.”
What in the world? This is grouping. Twice. First to say astrology is insane, then to claim another republican will probably be similarly insane. Hillary has quite a looney bin attitude with talking to dead people as a therapeutic thing. I think it’s stupid, but I also don’t think any of these things affect policy. If so, prove it.
“Just the bill for cleaning up his prostitutes’ urine and keeping a home in NY will be expensive beyond belief. Family values.”
Hyperbole for affect is not ok. I tell the conservatives not to bring up Clinton’s sex life, which definitely had less family values than Trump. I think it’s fair to keep this out of politics. I’ve held that standard in your favor, so knock it off.
January 11, 2017 at 3:44 pm
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Respond to any of the data presented here and I’ll show my work, dipshit. After the 20th consecutive ‘I didn’t even look at the data but it’s wrong,’you lose your right to demand math, idiot.
January 12, 2017 at 1:45 pm
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“Respond to any of the data presented here and I’ll show my work, dipshit. After the 20th consecutive ‘I didn’t even look at the data but it’s wrong,’you lose your right to demand math, idiot.”
I did look at the data, and there was no 20th event, fuck face, you don’t get to try to pull a move like this. This is grouping, and I knew this is why you made the attack you did.
You cannot say that you are right on an issue and have proven it because you believe someone else didn’t prove their point.
You cannot then say that you are right in general so you are right about Reagan. Show your work. I’ve shown mine.
Also, on Climate change? I AM RIGHT. So go fuck yourself. And I’m the only one here that pointed out there are four different methods of measurement, and numerous measuring locations, that the NOAA reconciled into one chart, that all have a margin of error that could put them at no warming, also, I’m the only one that showed the most recent method of measurement, and possibly the best, is the 2003 method that shows the government is doubling the affect of warming in the ocean (as well as the NOAA).
That is showing your fucking work!!! SO SHOW YOUR GOD DAMN WORK!!
January 12, 2017 at 1:46 pm
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“You cannot say that you are right on an issue and have proven it because you believe someone else didn’t prove their point.”
Have to add, “because you believe someone else didn’t prove their point ON AN UNRELATED TOPIC”
I can just as easily say you and UW don’t get to comment because of the Iraq spending commentary, or the Reagan spending commentary, both of which you are wrong regarding.
And you are. Both wrong on those topics, you by default for defending him.
January 13, 2017 at 2:35 am
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Thanks ACTU, the puppy is following your bumper now. Don’t you get it? He already said he would not look at the data, therefore it doesn’t exist. You got served! You are better off debating a coherent, sane person.
January 10, 2017 at 4:25 pm
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My God…
69,498,516 Obama.
62,979,879 Trump.
Third party Obama: 2,023,954
Third party Trump: 8,229,083
The third party vote did grow by 6 million, and yes. You can discount it. Because they also voted for someone other than Hillary.
As for the difference in 6 million votes as to a percentage of the total population?
Obama has a relatively small percentage of the voters who actually wanted Obama to be our president.
Also, the electoral college stops a majority from oppressing a minority. A general election with just vote tallies would be far worse.
Republicans grew by nearly the same amount democrats fell: 3,029,556,
Let’s put it this way:
The vast majority of people I know did not like Trump. And they voted for him, and republicans still grew by 3 million while democrats shrank by 3 million.
This election is indicative of a republican push back. There was a clear rejection of the path we are on if you count those third party votes and the gains in the republican party. It’s just the democrats did a dang good job of trying to burn the whole damn building to the ground to stop Trump. This has been criticism and attacks out of control. Obama mentioned putting lip stick on a pig, and he was definitely taking about Palin. Trump calls Rosie a fat pig (and she is) and then it’s like he isn’t qualified to be president. I mean really, one was called sexist, and the other, I saw college kids APPLAUDING and loving that insult. At least HALF of them wanted more attacks to go to Palin. It’s sickening. This is not equal on both sides. You guys have been burning the whole building down for some time to be able to attack.
January 11, 2017 at 9:23 am
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The electoral college never intended for a minority to oppress a majority, and it assumed equal voting in states not huge Republican gerrymandering and voter suppression. The legitimate voters removed from the rolls in swing states alone were enough to swing the election.
Plus illiterate genius, that wasn’t the point being made when he said how many millions more are against Trump
January 11, 2017 at 1:34 pm
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“The electoral college never intended for a minority to oppress a majority, and it assumed equal voting in states not huge Republican gerrymandering and voter suppression. The legitimate voters removed from the rolls in swing states alone were enough to swing the election.”
Ok, do more research on this and come back. I can see why you’re trying to convince yourself of the above, because you want to believe Republicans are suppressing voters, but I assure you, the opposite is true when considering the founding fathers. Until two weeks ago, I did not know this, so I know for a fact you don’t. We are a republic. The electoral college served a few purposes. One: To stop a democracy from going out of control. Two: Similarly, if a democratic majority wanted to oppress another, this stops it. It gives states with higher populations less of a power hold. Just go google it, and stop just saying things. I can tell that is what you do, your initial reactions.
“Plus illiterate genius, that wasn’t the point being made when he said how many millions more are against Trump”
Are you this fucking dense. I can add my own commentary. The purpose of my comment was to say this:
1. The difference was minimal in votes. There was no real statistical huge difference between Trump and Obama.
2. I added that to show that even if we go by popular vote here, the electoral college itself was established because the popular vote being considered can be bad. And Ron is probably the pure democracy person and does not understand we are a constitutional republic. Go look into it more.
As a side comment I was not saying I didn’t know we were a republic.
I had not researched why the electoral college existed until a few weeks ago.
In fact, I made a comment that was wrong, and Agent corrected me. Out of all of you, he’s the only one that commented on the electoral college correctly.
I assumed the electoral college was simply flawed in result when considering voter turn out. While that is true, that is not the whole way the system works and doesn’t consider the true reason for the existence of the electoral college.
You may recall when I said that someone could win because of voter turnout being higher in some states than other and I gave an example that would add to a republican win with them having less popular votes because of voter turnout differences?
Yes. Here I am saying I was wrong on a concept and I changed when I looked it up, with examples.
But no no no, I don’t think for myself, that’s you right?
I’m really sick of your clear partisan shit ACTU. Also, this shows the value of people like Agent. He does have real facts.
Agent if you’re reading this do you remember when I made that mess up about the electoral vote and you corrected me? I thought you were wrong, and because I’m still indoctrinated by my state what I thought was as I have been trained:
“There is no way the electoral college should go above the popular vote unless the whole system is corrupt”.
And I’m sure ACTU is thinking the same general thing here.
January 11, 2017 at 2:28 pm
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So you tell me:
What is the purpose of the electoral college?
Why don’t we just do a popular vote?
I know you yourself are thinking this, and many democrats have said it as of late to do away with it, but I’m asking to point out the original reason for it’s creation, not to justify it’s removal.
When you find the reason for it’s creation, you can then decide if it’s purpose is good.
So in your own words, provide me a thesis on the electoral college.
Go ahead.
January 11, 2017 at 2:34 pm
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Style over substance eh Confused?
When you can’t direct the topic at hand make it about marginal grammatical issues.
Such duche-bagery. I guarntee you if we did an aptitude test, you would be behind in nearly every category.
In High school while half asleep I did so well on the SAT’s they had me retake it.
I assure you, English and Math were the strongest for me. This is not including my IQ which was separately in excess of 150.
Go ahead and call me arrogant for saying this, but I’m getting tired of idiots using typical debate distractions to imply I’m stupid.
January 11, 2017 at 5:05 pm
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“Style over substance eh Confused?”
Well you didn’t respond to my substantive post with numbers from the 2008, 2012 & 2016 elections, so yeah, I went with style in this reply.
“I guarntee you if we did an aptitude test, you would be behind in nearly every category…In High school while half asleep I did so well on the SAT’s they had me retake it.”
They don’t force people to retake an SAT based on positive results, so what REALLY happened?
“I assure you, English and Math were the strongest for me.”
Thanks for your assurance. I now have even less faith in standardized aptitude tests than I had before. Spelling, grammar, punctuation, homonyms, logic, reading comprehension, memory, definition of statistically insignificant (10 percentage point difference isn’t statistically significant to you – still waiting on your response to that)…are you SURE your test included those things? I’m not.
“I’m getting tired of idiots using typical debate distractions to imply I’m stupid…”
Well, stop posting stupid stuff. Then we won’t be able to cite you (verbatim, I might add) to support your lack of intelligence. Easy peasy japanesey.
January 11, 2017 at 11:56 pm
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You just learned what the electoral college was for, even though you claim to be educated, and now you are pretending to be an expert. Read Democracy In America, and a bunch of history on it and get back to me. It was largely to preserve slavery.
January 12, 2017 at 9:30 am
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Confused, this guy had totally lost it. He is arguing above that we need to end Obamacare and stop people who are taking from the system by spending irresponsibly and getting on programs, but apparently he doesn’t know these programs are not based on net income minus spending.
Then, he says he benefited from Obamacare by buying insurance after his wife got pregnant. He’s truly insane and completely unaware. So much for personal responsibility, but of course he will argue his case is different and his benefits are ok
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Let me make a couple of things clear to my friends on the right:
1. President Trump and the Republicans did not receive a mandate to do whatever they want, period. We will not just submit to their policies without voicing our opposition when warranted. I hope you have the courage to do the same.
2.You have criticized President Obama non-stop for 7+ years, sometimes justifiably, other times not-so-much. President Trump will receive the same treatment from those who oppose him. That is how America works. Don’t like it? MOVE!!!!!
“1. President Trump and the Republicans did not receive a mandate to do whatever they want, period. We will not just submit to their policies without voicing our opposition when warranted. I hope you have the courage to do the same.”
Whereas before doing this was basically blame game, and not productive and you wouldn’t tolerate it from conservatives because it got nothing done.
“2.You have criticized President Obama non-stop for 7+ years, sometimes justifiably, other times not-so-much. President Trump will receive the same treatment from those who oppose him. That is how America works. Don’t like it? MOVE!!!!!”
Ah, knew this was coming. It is not equal, for one. People blamed the republicans for scenarios Obama intentionally created as a fight (birth control issue with the Catholic Church was intentional, the debt deal was all him, not republicans, he created the “bi partisan” crud when most the public didn’t want his healthcare plan, and then everyone mocked the republicans on each of those issues despite them being right)
But off of that note, you should be doing what you said you would do, which is find the good aspects and focus on that, not the same things those other guys did because you want to say how they did it to so you are vindicated. You’re not, also, false equivalency, grow up. Look at your own actions stand alone.
I have already applauded President-elect for the Carrier deal, holding defense contractors accountable, and Ford creating more union jobs here.
As I said, and have kept my word, I will give him a fair chance and credit when due, but not a free pass.
January 10, 2017 at 3:47 pm
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Don’t forget Ron – you also praised Trump when he got the House to reverse their actions regarding the House Ethics Committee!
January 10, 2017 at 3:59 pm
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Thank you for reminding me Confused. Funny how our Republican/Conservative friends have poor memories when I do something other than speak in opposition.
January 10, 2017 at 4:28 pm
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And you’re already saying he’s not creating the jobs he is, you’re already criticizing a healthcare plan not in existence, saying you hope the costs explode so it gets thrown in the republican faces, (your wording was you hope it does go up in cost when they implement an insurance coverage without a mandate) and you already are trying to criticize him before he’s president and call him a liar, while not doing your fact checking on the matter. You’re not fooling anyone. This is your attempt for you. Not to be fair to Trump. Your ego is astounding, much like Confused. All it took was referencing him in one topic to start a huge tangent last week, because I’m a total liar since I referenced one of his quotes incorrectly, even though conceptually he did what I said.
You’re being fake.
For you and confused here: I don’t fall for bull crap. It’s time to grow up boys.
January 10, 2017 at 4:54 pm
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Bob, not sure the Little Sisters of the Poor would vote for any liberal politician at this point.
January 13, 2017 at 2:38 am
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Ron, IMO, it would be better if Trump did nothing, or made the Carrier deal policy, instead of an as-needed publicity stunt. Require defense contractors to keep US jobs here, and do not pay them $7 of taxpayer dollars after promising on the campaign trail they would be punished for doing this, and which is money from taxpayers to this company, to keep jobs here as a publicity stunt.
However, I do not recall anyone from the right willing to give President Obama a chance in 2008, even though he received more total votes, electoral college votes and a much higher percentage of the total vote. That, sir, is hypocrisy.
January 10, 2017 at 4:08 pm
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Bob, no one has bought anything Ron has been selling for 8 years now except for your former student you couldn’t reform into a straight thinking adult.
January 10, 2017 at 4:20 pm
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“Bob, no one has bought anything Ron has been selling for 8 years now”
Yet Ron JUST posted that the PPACA is bad, that Trump’s actions on the Carrier deal is good, that it’s good Trump is holding defense contractors accountable and how Trump helped Ford create more jobs, and that it’s good Trump got the House to reverse their decision on the Ethics Committee.
You’re not buying any of that, Agent?
Which of those comments do you disagree with?
January 10, 2017 at 4:32 pm
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This is the easiest one to debunk yet.
I have been against the PPACA since it passed.”
It’s easy to debunk things when you apply a twist or don’t know how to read. What did I say Ron? You just said “since it passed”. Where you against it when Obama had several plans in the work? Did you say he would fail from the get go, and say you couldn’t wait for them to realize how much of hypocrite they were and they couldn’t fix it? Because you did with Trump buddy boy. Reading comprehension! Oh my, I had to do it! Either reading comprehension or wilful ignorance, take your pick. Which just occurred? You acted like an idiot or a sleazeball boy?
“However, I do not recall anyone from the right willing to give President Obama a chance in 2008,”
You already applied your shift. No. We didn’t give an opportunity for a mandate and bad plan to go through (or the public option), when we were aware of the plan. It was rightly fought, it should have been. We should not have just laid down and passed whatever Obama said. We don’t have to allow any plan, they all should be criticized right? False equivalency and the only hypocrite here is you.
“even though he received more total votes, electoral college votes and a much higher percentage of the total vote. That, sir, is hypocrisy.”
No. It’s not, and the above is irrelevant. He passed on ideals, not plans, each of his plans get weighed on their own. The issue here is your crap. Not mine.
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This is the easiest one to debunk yet.
I have been against the PPACA since it passed.”
Also, please. You haven’t debunked jack kid.
You act like there’s this laundry list of things I’ve been proven wrong regarding.
However…If we go back to healthcare plans, when I told you about the ones with the credits, you didn’t even know they existed, recently you were also not aware of the children on the plans and the preventative services included as well as pre existing conditions until I came in and pointed it out. Now, you’re saying that those costs will of course cause explosions. You keep moving the target Ron, whatever it takes to be able to insult republicans. At what point will you call one of their plans a good idea?
Given you don’t know much about them, I’m thinking you can’t. Literally. If you did, it would be without the knowledge to back it up. I just referenced Price’s last week along with some areas I liked.
Why don’t you list something you like about a republican plan, considering how much you know about and speak about it?
January 10, 2017 at 6:00 pm
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Ron, you seemed to forget that when you came out against Obamacare after you realized it would be a disaster, you promptly said that you favored Universal Government Insurance which would have been even a greater disaster. You have a very selective memory and are just putting in your liberal talking points. Sorry, I can’t let you get away with that, “lemming”.
January 11, 2017 at 12:17 pm
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What did I post that makes you think I have forgotten my original position?
More importantly, I am not for Universal Government Insurance. I do not want the government to provide or even administer health care. I just want them to be a pass-through for premiums.
If you are going to comment regarding what I have advocated, at least be accurate.
January 11, 2017 at 1:09 pm
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While I am a dick to you I do have to be fair to you here.
You’ve done a well enough job of being against Obamacare since it passed. That’s not my issue here.
For agent I think he is going a bit far. Yes. You clearly supported a public option. And that is your right. If you advocate that, that is your right to say you advocate it.
What I do not support is the fact that you claim you have been fair to both presidents. I think you have essentially criticized plans you don’t understand and by the evidence knew not a whole lot about, with the republican party, and now you are preemptively saying negative things about Trump’s and I don’t find that ok. You would not have gone after plans before on the drawing plan. For Obama republicans actually criticized the plan. That is why it is not the same, and your weakness of false equivalency calls them both the same for being against plans. The why however, is important.
If you were for example to start a debate on a public option, I would agree with your stance. Solely public I wouldn’t, but I wouldn’t insult you for it. And that’s the right way of doing it. However, if you instead insulted a plan before it was drawn out, I might then insult you as I am now. If democrats put up a public option, (And they did suggest it but not in a formal plan) I would support it. Where do you think my idea of a public option came from? It’s an element Paul Ryan and I disagree on. He spoke publicly about it saying that if we allow an option, people in the middle class and with low cost insurance will flood the option and then private insurance companies will phase out.
You aren’t abnormal for believing that as Agent implies. I can’t be unfair there. It’s not in my blood to do so.
Take this comment as you will. I guess it’s a compliment.
January 11, 2017 at 1:33 pm
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Fair enough, but I need to clarify my position a little better.
I have both criticized President Obama and applauded President-elect Trump where I saw fit. What more do you want me to do?
Please quote me where I criticized the Republican plan. How can I when they have not presented their plan?
My criticism has been that they do not actually have a plan, only ideas and talking points. That has been proven by the fact that even they are saying they do not have a plan.
The closest thing to criticism that I have made is how to regulate health care insurance policies sold across state lines that does not require federal government intervention. By the way, nobody has been able to answer. The closest I have heard is for the NAIC to create model legislation that would need to accepted by all states, which could have be done years ago.
January 11, 2017 at 1:52 pm
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“Bob,
Fair enough, but I need to clarify my position a little better.
I have both criticized President Obama and applauded President-elect Trump where I saw fit. What more do you want me to do?”
Stick to plans. You have definitely said lately that if and when republicans pass a plan without a mandate that costs would sky rocket.
“Please quote me where I criticized the Republican plan. How can I when they have not presented their plan?”
Exactly. How can you? But recently you did. You said if and when they made a plan covering pre existing conditions and the high cost services, you couldn’t wait to see the premiums sky rocket. It was you essentially calling them hypocrites on the matter before they had a plan out.
“My criticism has been that they do not actually have a plan, only ideas and talking points. That has been proven by the fact that even they are saying they do not have a plan.”
They have had a plan. Right now they are saying they don’t know Trump’s plan and are working on a new one. That does not provide evidence they never had them. Are you really back to them not having plans? There have been 4. Do I have to quote them again? These were not ideas and talking points, one of the four was in 2009 and was rated by the CBO. I’ve quoted these many times. How can we possibly be back to you saying there have been no plans? I just quoted Tom Price’s last week. How in the world do you miss these things? This is exactly my problem. You are looking for the hypocrisy and not the plans. You haven’t seen these plans. I know it for certain. Instead of blaming the republicans for going through standard process (which means you have to search government sites for these plans since the media isn’t reporting on it) and then saying if they had a credible plan the media would report (no they wouldn’t, if the media was biased) why don’t you admit the media is biased, the plans exist, and get scared as you should?
“The closest thing to criticism that I have made is how to regulate health care insurance policies sold across state lines that does not require federal government intervention. By the way, nobody has been able to answer. The closest I have heard is for the NAIC to create model legislation that would need to accepted by all states, which could have be done years ago.”
Ok. Anyone here, or anyone in politics? Because Price’s plan directs this, and I just quoted it last week.
January 11, 2017 at 2:13 pm
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Bob: “Until two weeks ago, I did not know this, so I know for a fact you don’t.”
Bob logic = if Bob doesn’t know about something, nobody else could have known about it either.
Ron “Please quote me where I criticized the Republican plan…”
Bob “You said…[no quote or link]”
Bob logic = if someone asks Bob to source quote what he is claiming someone said, he doesn’t have to provide a quote.
Bob “The difference was minimal in votes. There was no real statistical difference between Trump and Obama.”
Bob logic (popular) – someone receiving less than half of the popular vote compared to someone receiving more than half of the popular vote is not statistically significant even though there’s a 5 percentage point variance.
Bob logic = a variance of 5 percentage points (vs 2012) and 10 percentage points (2008) is not statistically significant.
Really kid? 56.5% vs 67.84% is not statistically significant? You MUST be exaggerating for effect and you don’t actually believe that, right?
January 11, 2017 at 2:29 pm
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Bob,
“Stick to plans. You have definitely said lately that if and when republicans pass a plan without a mandate that costs would sky rocket.” This is criticizing a concept that any qualified actuary would agree, assuming no exclusions for pre-existing conditions and no lifetime caps.
So, they have 4 plans? That reminds of the old adage in football, “If you 2 QBs, then you have none”.
Candidate and President-elect Trump promised repeal on day 1 and a replacement on day 2. Was he lying or just naive and/or uneducated? There is no other option.
“Ok. Anyone here, or anyone in politics? Because Price’s plan directs this, and I just quoted it last week.”
I may have missed it. Please provide.
January 11, 2017 at 11:58 pm
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>Bob logic = if Bob doesn’t know about something, nobody else could have known about it either.
Exactly. Denies everything, and then looks into the thing that supports his claim, and pretends to be an expert and lectures everybody on it.
January 13, 2017 at 2:41 am
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What actu, you think because you read the Federalist Papers and de Tocqueville you know more than someone who had never looked into it before 2 weeks ago and read an article on Forbes and an article on Breitbart?
“All I know is what’s on the internet.”
January 9, 2017 at 2:03 pm
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Why would we leave the country since Herr Fuhrer Drumph will be in office less than a year?
Retired,
Yes, I have heard the impeachment rumors already as well. Not sure we want to be stuck with Pence, though. I’d rather have the hooker monger’s grandson ahead of Washington D.K. (District of Kremlin).
Retired,
Yes, I have heard the impeachment rumors already as well. Not sure we want to be stuck with Pence, though. I’d rather have the hooker monger’s grandson ahead of Washington D.K. (District of Kremlin).
FFA, predicting NFL games is a crap shoot. Dallas should win since they did at Green Bay earlier, but they will have to play hard and not allow Hail Mary’s like NY did at the end of the half.
Keeping in the football theme, the late, great Don Meredith who, after playing QB for Dallas for a number of years, turned broadcaster on Monday night football had a great song when it was apparent who was going to win. “Turn out the lights, the parties over”. That applies to the Progressive sore losers as well.
They will need to get to Rodgers. Cant expect the secondary to hold up as long as he gets. Then just grind away with Ezekiel and keep Aaron off the field.
Easier said then done, but that should be the magical formula.
Never been much of a Cowboy Fan – Emmit Smith ran me over year after year in Fantasy – but my second fav team is whom ever is playing the Packers.
I love Troy as the Color Man in the booth. Lets see if he can keep himself from bragging about the C Boys.
Good analysis FFA. Yes, the Cowboys need to get to Rogers, make him throw before he wants to, keep him on the sideline as much as possible and grind away with time consuming drives like Dak and Ezekiel have been able to do. Should be a good game to watch since the elements will not be a factor. Dallas has the horses, but they will need to play very well to win. By the way, if Troy is broadcasting, he has shown a tendency to be a little harder on the Cowboys, not softer because he was a player there. Hope the officiating is better, the Lions got some very bad calls against them in their game.
They should have been flagged on the Nelson hit. He got two broken ribs out of that and just got released from the hospital. Big fine needs to be coming at him.
January 10, 2017 at 4:05 pm
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Seattle has some real thugs playing for them. How does a defensive ( Detroit) back have coverage, turns his head to watch the ball, have the receiver jump on his back, grab the defenders face mask and twist his head around while catching the ball with the other hand. The officials called interference on the defensive back and he did nothing but go for the ball. Offensive interference should have been it with a 15 yard penalty. The officials admitted they blew that call, but the game was over by then.
January 10, 2017 at 4:44 pm
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When you’re slammed mid air you tend to grab out of instinct, and his football instincts simultaneously grabbed for the ball.
The person was also engaging in pass interference I might add.
This should not have been called as a penalty. If however he intentionally grabbed someones mask to pull them out of the way, while he wasn’t mid air, it might be a different story.
I’m not that into sports but the people ratting on the Seahawks on this one are out of line.
Though I agree, a lot of them are thugs.
January 10, 2017 at 5:04 pm
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The NFL got rid of the incidental 5 yard face mask penalty years ago. The rule now is a 15 yard penalty if you grab the face mask and it doesn’t matter if you did it by accident or on purpose.
January 11, 2017 at 1:59 pm
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“The NFL got rid of the incidental 5 yard face mask penalty years ago. The rule now is a 15 yard penalty if you grab the face mask and it doesn’t matter if you did it by accident or on purpose.”
I don’t care. Then the NFL is wrong. How about if the guy fell on the person’s arm and he was bracing himself for the fall and it happened incidentally?
I believe you are wrong by the way, because there is no way the NFL would go that route for exactly the reason I just said.
If you grab someone while falling, there is simply no way they would give a penalty.
This is similar to the leap when the guy’s feet touched the other guy. Jumping off of someone is an illegal move, incidentally tapping is not, and with good reason. Let’s say you jump to the touchdown, and another guy jumps just behind you, and you end up landing on top of him. Your feet made contact during the fall, even though you did NOT jump over him, he jumped under you as you leapt into the touchdown. Would we then issue a penalty? No.
Or if someone literally did the same thing, and slammed his helmet into your hand, and while trying to clear your hand from it (you know, not to get a broken hand when he lands on it) as falling you naturally pushed it away?
Should that be a penalty?
While he was going down from pass interference he reached for the ball, and as he went down he was bracing for impact. That’s all. That grab of the helmet was nothing.
January 11, 2017 at 2:44 pm
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“I believe you are wrong by the way, because there is no way the NFL would go that route for exactly the reason I just said.”
You believe incorrectly. Check the rule book. Intentional or not, facemasking is a 15 yard penalty. 5 yard penalty for incidental facemasking no longer exists.
Note: facemasking constitutes fingers wrapping around the facemask. Your “fall on someone’s arm” is not someone wrapping their fingers around another’s face mask.
“…falling you naturally pushed it away? Should that be a penalty?”
No. PUSHING the helmet is legal unless you’re a lineman (illegal hands to the face.) Your scenario is similar to a RB stiff-arming a defender = legal. It’s GRABBING the FACEMASK by wrapping your FINGERS around the cage that’s a 15 yard penalty regardless of intention.
And there is only one scenario where it is illegal to leap over someone for hitting them on the way: when the kicking unit is out on the field.
You can jump over people as a RB/WR and step on their helmet on the way and it’s legal. Do that to a center when he’s long snapping the ball for a FG/punt; that’s a penalty.
Would you like to talk about the infield fly rule in MLB, the no-touch icing stoppage in the NHL, the two-way NBA/NBADL contracts next, or shall we continue to talk about your lack of knowledge of NFL rules?
January 11, 2017 at 2:47 pm
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clarification: *RB stiff-arming a defender with the RB using his open hand to push against the defender’s facemask = legal.
January 11, 2017 at 3:42 pm
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As I said, if the NFL has a rule on that then the NFL is wrong and was pressured to do so.
I also said I don’t know much on this, but in terms of concept, if you’re tackled and catch a ball one handed and get a touch down, some incidental touching of a face mask being a penalty should not be a thing, unless you are an ahole who wants to invalidate a perfectly skilled catch through a rule book.
This reminds me of most democrat politicians in terms of regulations of fees. When push comes to shove, just say it’s wrong because.
January 11, 2017 at 3:43 pm
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Why is that Illegal?
Because.
Why should they have a penalty?
Because, reasons.
In what scenario did he cheat or gain an advantage as he had someone engage in pass interference, in his face, and held on to him as he fell? So if he held on to his body vs his mask, would it have altered the outcome? Are you trying to say this gave him an unfair advantage?
Or, are you saying like a democrat politician moron: BECAUSE REASONS!!! GODDDDD!!!!
January 13, 2017 at 2:42 am
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Admitted clueless person pretending to be an expert alert.
January 9, 2017 at 5:57 pm
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“Old Man Trump” by Woody Guthrie is a far superior song, and more relevant for today.
That’s not relevant to what I posted, I think you posted to the wrong comment again. Or, you are an idiot who posts the same crap for days at a time with no regard for content, aka a spambot too stupid to code a bot.
Bob, there is no doubt that the games so far feature a lot of bad calls and these guys are supposed to be the cream of the crop on officiating. Look, if a player gets his hands into another players face mask, twists the guys head around while going for the ball, that is an aggregious foul and it should be an automatic 15 yard penalty, end of story.
Lot’s of bad calls in the past few years. In 2014, the Cowboys were playing the Pack in the playoffs. Dez Bryant made a catch close to the sidelines, took three full steps with the ball in his possession, tried to stretch it to the goal line, ball came down on the line and it popped out. After review, they took the catch away from Dallas. If a player has possession, the ground cannot cause a fumble. Also, he was making a football move trying to score. One of the worst calls of recent years and a real home town call.
Keep in mind, this law has already wasted billion of taxpayer dollars on things like failed websites, failed state exchanges, subsidies to insurance companies and higher rates to the entire system. The reason why some politicians like this much control and the more control they have, the more power they have. Do they care that this money has been wasted? Of course not, but taxpayers do care because its our money and we are not going to let someone take us for a scam (which is really what the ACA is). Are there good things in the ACA? Of course, coverage for all, subsidizing the those who can’t afford it and guaranteed issue. However we need a more responsible version of each of these. We need to have strict checks and control on those we subsidize to make sure they are not abusing the system. Also if they want guaranteed issue, they must have prior coverage because shot of that, they are abusing the system. Let’s not pretend that something that was done purely for control and power is a good thing, it’s not. Also we don’t need government employees running this or exchanges, the private system can do it fine with responsible regulations in place.
Don’t give the federal government more control and power over your lives. I know it’s a hard concept for some to fathom, but the more power the government has the less free you are.
Preventative care can easily be handled by a good HSA and leave the serious stuff to insurance, hopefully with smaller deductibles and lower total out of pocket. We also don’t need 60 year olds to have abortion or mandatory birth control. Out with the mandates, in with coverage that makes sense and gives freedom of choice.
Fuck, there is truly no topic you have even an elementary education on. Women over 60 having abortions is a major problem when the chance of getting pregnant after age 40 without medical help is like 5% at best.
Even in fiction you could not create a less-informed person if you tried.
More than one plan proposal has the govt setting out model bills for the NAIC to push forward. Other bills will go directly to state or federal legislatures to act on, to clear the path for PRIVATE insurers to create solutions and take advantage of a new, more open, regulatory environment created by the ‘replace’ aspect of the Republican solution to the ACA mess.
Happy New Year TrumPolar! 10 days for emancipation from Progressives. A friend sent me the following which is very clever and funny.
Very Trump Christmas
Twas the night before Christmas and up in the tower, the Donald reflected on his newfound power. The Conservative masses had come out in force, and delivered a victory that would chart a new course.
The snowflakes were shell shocked with tears in their eyes, the media lied to them…what a surprise. They were promised a Hillary win, but the criminal Clinton took it on the chin.
And though from all corners, celebrities flew, they made no impression, for they hadn’t a clue. They talked about Climate, Racism, and such and they made up good stories… but didn’t know much
The fake news and ignorance came at a cost, and they can’t understand all the reasons they lost. They blame it on Comey and Bernie and Vlad, but fail to acknowledge the one that was bad.
Yes, Hillary Clinton, in many ways flawed, was her own biggest hurdle toward getting the nod. The campaign exposed her corruptness and greed, and her speeches were punch-less as ten dollar weed.
So out in the streets there arose such a clatter, it was Soros paid protestors and Black Lives Matter. With cities to pillage and windows to smash, they knew not the issues, but needed the cash.
Eight years of Obama had given them cause, to expect a replacement of their Santa Clause. But soon the protestors will feel the pain, when the wheels fall off of the gravy train.
And now all the snowflakes are riddled with fear, upset and offended by things they will hear. The cocoa and crayons will help for a while, but fact based opinions will soon cramp their style.
I originally supported, and voted for Cruz, in the end, I would vote for whoever they choose. He wasn’t my first choice, but soon I would cede, the one they call Trump is the one that we need.
I saw him on TV in front of a crowd, he spoke about veterans, it made me feel proud. He spoke about energy, safety and jobs, taking the country back from the elitist snobs.
His eyes glowed like embers, his smile was the best and his hair the color of my hunting vest.
His love for this country was on full display, and his actions spoke louder than his words could say.
He thanked all his voters, and before he was gone, saved thousands of jobs while Obama looked on. The fate of this country left nothing to chance, so he filled his cabinet weeks in advance.
The men he had chosen were of the same mind, let’s set the bar high and not lead from behind. He picked up his phone and with a flick of his finger, he sent out this tweet. Now Mattis, now Kelly, now Sessions and Pruitt. On Perry, on Flynn. You are the ones who can do it. Start lifting restrictions and building the wall, dash away, dash away, dash away all.
Then, he jumped in his limo, and off to his jet, a fellow that Liberals won’t soon forget. He sent one more tweet as the evening expired: Merry Christmas to all, and Obama – YOU’RE FIRED!
Confused, everyone can see why Bob disowned you and no longer tries to advise you on your attitude. Your post looks to me like you are high on something. Is this the best you got? How sad!
January 10, 2017 at 2:32 pm
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You don’t deserve my best Agent. At least not until you show me that you’re a man of your word and send me my crayons and coloring book. Happy Holidays!
January 10, 2017 at 1:18 pm
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Hmmm, how was Obama fired when he served his full 2 terms and then RETIRED from the office? Once again, Agent peddling a false narrative. All I had to do was read the last stanza, I didn’t even read anything else. You are precious, Agent. Keep being you!
Packed in the manor voices spoke of a man
with the skin of a carrot and child like hands
he promised retribution for all they had lost
but failed to mention you will only rise if you are already on top
capitalist cronies and phonies alike
now creep from the caves and embrace the limelight
albeit true that not even YOU are with them
chances are you’ll probably vote their way again
because Russian corruption has dug its root deep
and those who once spoke conservative now “bah” like a sheep
Tolerance, would you have preferred the leather face thug Hilliary as your new President? 4 to 8 years of the continuation of the Obama legacy and policies? She represented all the worst qualities of Progressives. We have a new day dawning in 10 short days. You are going to be amazed at the transformation away from liberal Progressives.
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…. then one cloudy day there arose such a clatter,
Meh’lania, startled, cried “Oh, what’s the matter!”
And there she saw Donald, all shaking and pale,
a puddle of puke on the floor with the mail,
and clenched in his fat fingered vulgarian paw,
a video titled “PeePee in the Raw.” ….. to be continued ;)
Yes, the affordable care act needs to be replaced with something better as soon as possible. The law was neither affordable or caring, though naively had good intentions. However, it must be done carefully because the medicine could be worse than the disease. If you have cancer and the doctor says the chemo has made it worse, you would consider the options, rather than just take away the chemo and hope for the best. I just hope that we as a country can put aside poli-ticks and discuss common ground rather than ideology and (worse) just calling everyone names and being negative.
I think if the government, instead of spending money like crazy and trying to fix each and every problem, real or perceived, would instead set policies that foster competition, creativity, entrepreneurialism, rather than restriction, increased costs, me vs. them, we would be much better off. it would not be perfect, it never is. But we would be better off if we had gone that road in the beginning–but we did not, so we need to back out with proper replacements. Not just blow everything up for political reasons. I have a cautious optimism that the current folks will do better than the previous professional politicians.
Looks like the cowards are going to have a hard time doing this by their promised day 1,and will try to put it off so they don’t have to face the consequences at the next election.
They have also blocked budget watchdogs from reviewing the cost of the repeal because they don’t want people knowing how much debt it adds or the effects on the country.
That doesn’t even make sense. If they put it off until the next election republicans will break from the party. Historically republicans will abandon someone who doesn’t do what they say.
“Read my lips, no new taxes” ring a bell?
They would not delay it 4 years to avoid Trumps next election, and they would not delay it 2 either.
You’re just making crap up, whatever you can. And then when they do push it through you will call it rushed crap and that they are belligerent. Whatever fits the narrative.
I am not necessarily agreeing with UW, but I would not be surprised if the Republicans would be content with repealing the PPACA, then delaying a replacement until 2018 so, when the Democrats take over Congress again, they can put the responsibility on them to come up with a solution. When they do not come up with an agreement with President Trump, he will blame them as his re-election platform. Then we can start this whole mess again in 2020.
If I am end up being wrong, I will be happy to admit it.
Exactly Ron. They want to repeal it with a delay. This would be okay if they were doing it to put in effect a new policy instead of to delay the effects being pinned to them.
Bob, I am going to take McConnell’s and Ryan’s word over any liberal politicians. They have a job to do and things are going to change for the better.
January 10, 2017 at 6:06 pm
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Bob, I might add that I have a good movie to watch tonight rather than see the outgoing Socialist who is going to be on the networks tonight with his “farewell” speech. Ron will be in rapture, the rest of the nation, not so much.
I’m guessing your movie didn’t star Meryl Streep. You probably thought she was a great actress until just recently.
It was an excellent speech and I was able to also watch a good movie afterward. I don’t understand the lack of the ability to multi-task or do more than one thing. It’s odd to me when I hear a conservative argument that suggests we can’t both battle things like mental illness and sensible gun control simultaneously . It’s not like we have to do one or the other. We can do both. Here’s another of my favorites, the “whataboutism” that exists in today’s Republican Party. And, my example above and whataboutism often go hand-in-hand. My favorite right now is Streep taking time to point out the buffoon who is Golden Shower Boy Drumpf mocking a disabled person. And the conservative whataboutists are saying, “Oh yeah, well, what about the four African Americans who tortured a mentally ill person?” WHAT???? Quit deflecting. They are caught and going away for a long time. The Russian-Elect is going to The Oval. And yes, if you ask Ms. Streep, I’m certain she’d tell you it is awful what happened to that poor boy and it is a hate crime. And I will say it as well. What disgusting human beings all four of them are. Lock them up for good.
Watching the local NBC news last night, he got less then 30 seconds of coverage simply stating he bash Trump, tooted his own horn about his accomplishments -which they didnt go into – and making a last pitch to save the failed PPACA.
After watching Trump this AM, his pitch seems to have fallen on deaf ears.
Most impressively, they summed it up in less then 30 seconds. Jordy Nelsons broken ribs got more coverage.
FFA, how about we lighten it up a bit since the rancor from the left is stinking big time? It has to do with Chicago and football. Title is – The Jewish Quarterback
The coach had put together the perfect team for the Chicago Bears. The only thing missing was a good quarterback. The team had scouted all the colleges, the Canadian League, European Leagues, but he couldn’t find a ringer who could insure a Super Bowl win.
Then, one night while watching Fox News, he saw a war zone scene on the West Bank. He spotted a young Israeli soldier with an incredible arm. He threw a hand grenade straight into a 10th story window 100 yards away. Kaboom!
He threw another grenade 75 yards away into a chimney. Kaboom!
The coach said – I’ve got to get that guy. He has the perfect arm. So he brings him to the states, teaches him the game of football and the Bears go on to win the Super Bowl. The coach asked him what he wants. The young man said all I want to do is call my mother.
Mom, he says in the phone, I just won the Super Bowl! The mother said, I don’t want to talk to you, you are not my son. The son says, I don’t think you understand mother. I’ve just won the greatest sporting event in the world.
No, let me tell you his mother retorts, at this very moment, there are gunshots all around us, the neighborhood is a pile of rubble, your two brothers were beaten within an inch of their lives and I have to keep your sister in the house so she doesn’t get raped. The old lady pauses, and then tearfully says, I WILL NEVER FORGIVE YOU FOR MAKING US MOVE TO CHICAGO AKA CHIRAQ.
Thats a good one…
Just got off the phone with one of my Chicago Clients. He stated he feels it necessary to get the C & C as when he has to go to certain areas in Chicago, hes just not safe.
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FFA, Newt Gingrich has a good line when interviewed. He said that Obama’s legacy will be so small when all of his programs are diminished or gotten rid of, one will need a microscope to find them.
When the IJ adds an ignore button, I’ll bet all the libitterals use it on me.
Of course, that’s just me bragging. I think other conservatives, libertarians, librarians, and polarbearians on this board will be nearly as greatly ignored by the libitterals.
Despite the story being proven false, libitterals like CapTroll PlaneTroll will continue to repeat recent lies about TrumPresident that were spread by NBCBuzzardFeces and Clinton News Network (CNN).
Given his incest-curious, teenage naked girl ogling, sexually assaulting past, there is no sex act I’ll put past this sick SOB. I have 3 daughters, this is the type of guy I warn them against. This is the type of guy I protect them against.
No, I believe in the 1st Amendment, but I also believe in choice and consequences of those choices.
American TV viewers have a choice as to what news they watch.
Media outlets have a choice as to what reports they will make. And they will incur consequences, good or bad, for those actions, as a result of the free will of viewers to view what they please.
I’m glad to explain that for you, seeing that you intentionally misinterpreted what I said or implied.
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Relying on Buzzfeed’s story to call out CNN for their reporting on the same topic shows a terrible lack of knowledge about the differences between their articles.
You are correct…. when you refer to your screen name.
January 13, 2017 at 8:16 am
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Did you actually read the articles you’re railing against, or did you just read the Republican talking point document?
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The story has certainly not been proven false, you are mistaken, or more likely lying, as always. I have my doubts about the sex allegations, although he is a known proven cheating pervert, and sexual predator, and I agree with Planet.
The info we actually have against Russia is much more disturbing as is the info being hinted at by people in the intelligence committees. Trump again lied in his press conference about his Russian, Chinese and foreign debts.
He had been briefed on the Russian hacks and called on Russia to hack Clinton’s emails. This is disgusting and illegal. If his campaign is proven to have links to Russia, as hinted at by intelligence committee members, McCain, the intelligence community and the FBI, it is treasonous behavior.
Keep repeating to yourself “It’s only a dream. I’ll wake up and HRC will be taking the oath of office in a few days. It’s only a dream….” That will give you solace in your time of grief and denial.
Another case where all you can do is post a lie and then spam your BS. You at so intellectually deficient you can’t debate, only lie, cry, and misquote.
When people complain about people saying conservatives are uneducated and uneducated they should think about you and stop complaining. Lie about your degrees now.
Did you just “Carlos Mencia” that joke from Jimmy Carr? “I’ve never paid $200 for a lentil on my face” was his punchline in his recent Netflix special.
Well, she could’ve made that joke before I heard Jimmy Carr’s version. Fair enough. I was just trying to give credit to who I thought wrote the joke, but I certainly could be wrong about its origins.
Great – the ACA has been a super-duper failure. I can’t wait until we hear about the replacement plan. When do you think that’ll be, Yogi? A couple days after they officially repeal Obamacare (as Trump stated the other day) or in Q2 2017, or 2018, or even later than that?
“soon” – is a relative term. Can you define that at all? “Soon” from our sun’s perspective is millions of years. “Soon” from a mayflies perspective is less than 24 hours. What does YOUR definition of “soon” mean in measurable quantities?
He has been proven to be a false prophet on this topic. He knows less about if/when a Republican replacement plan will come out than my sandwich.
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This topic? Don’t stop there, Ron.
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First three letters:
Health Expense Accounts.
Want to know the rest of the SPECIFICCS (sic)? Too bad. You’ve been much too rude. You’ll just have to wait for Ryan to reveal the plan accepted by the committee.
No, Hillary’s nightmare ends, but Trump’s just begins. Look for more “golden leaks” the more Comrade Donnie Two Times disparages the U.S. Intelligence agencies.
Repeal could happen as early as Thursday of this week.
Obama is AGAIN lying when he said that 20 million would immediately be without insurance coverage. Plans being discussed now retain the policies in force until they expire. Other options being discussed include 1 renewal of an existing ACA plan policy, giving the Congress time to start implementation of the replacement plan.
The replacement won’t simply be a government subsidy of low income people. Rather, it will address the costs directly and indirectly. So, laws must be changed, state by state. The NAIC will be involved in one or more Model Bills for a few issues, including tort reforms for medical malpractice insurance savings.
The health savings account aspect will take a slightly different form than prior typical accounts. The policy forms will change, company by company, to address the affordability problem.
With that said; watch as libitterals censor this truthful post via BOTs.
…It is just another instance of sore loser liberal frustration with American citizens ability and resolve to select good leaders, and cast aside socialist/ communist policies that were taking hold in the US.
Make America Healthy, Wealthy, Wise, and Free to Choose, Again!
Polar,
Stop. You continue to place yourself on the wrong side of history. There is nothing impressive or righteous about your defiant gloating that Trump will “make American great again”. There is nothing but a sad, youthful arrogance that shines thru every word you spew. I am no longer convinced you are even able to vote. You seem like a bitterly confused talking head that has overheard one too many of your parents diluted conversations about politics. No matter what you say I will not believe you because you are mostly poison but not without angst and hatred. I know it often and swiftly passes through your mind but for once I want you to grab this idea and believe it – you are overflowing with hatred. Hatred for those who are not like you. Hatred for those who choose differently than you. Hatred for those who believe things different than your own beliefs. And more than anything hatred for yourself. No one with confidence, self-respect and any true American pride would say the absolute nonsense you say on this blog. I am disgusted by you.
To everyone else – sorry for this child. Look at what he says. He is not an adult. There is simply no way.
That isn’t gloating, and his post was not disgusting. He’s excited for an end to bad policies and for America to get back on track.
As for the hatred thing you are entirely just virtue signaling here.
Bob,
I respect and value your opinions but on this topic I disagree.
“…It is just another instance of sore loser liberal frustration with American citizens ability and resolve to select good leaders, and cast aside socialist/ communist policies that were taking hold in the US.”
He is basically a bully disguising himself as a political philosopher. My grandfather told me years ago that when I’m driving if I only take right turns I will miss much of what our country has to offer. Sometimes turning left, even if what lies ahead may not be preferable, gives you perspective that you wouldn’t have otherwise. I am not asking him to change his views as much as I am to stop belittling others for theirs. He posts on this blog more than just about everyone else and I’d say 90% of his posts, in some way, demean liberals. I do not agree with many liberal points of view, however, I am not going to sh*t on them constantly for it.
Nothing in the above seemed to be bully. He speaks better than I do at times, but he does have an odd way of phrasing things. I would say I speak worse than him often and I have more to work on than he does.
In regards to your grandfather: Trying something just to try it is not a good idea. Most ideas have been tried before, and we are just currently retrying it to challenge it because humans are rebellious in nature. However, that tends to be more destructive than good.
As my dad once said “Aim a gun at a bridge and you’re going to hit it”.
Or, someone more famous, “those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it”.
Currently, people err far to far on the “let’s try this for the sake of it.” and that is causing massive damage. Does that apply to if someone actually did take it as far as Nazism? For an example: Russia already engaged in loosening up sex freedoms in the past and marriage freedoms. With sexual freedom came more babies, with more babies came less success and more poverty, with that came more abuse of the children, with more abuse of the children came more violence in the nation, and their whole fabric began to crumble. At that point abortions went to something like 250 for every 150 live births. When people value sex over life, mistreatment abounds.
This is just in terms of the sexual freedom movement. These guys that are older than us are over the top in how they paint a picture, but they are no less right due to it.
We have a serious threat coming from the left, and the fabric of our society is at risk. It’s time to learn from the past and accept lessons, not charge forward saying “yes we can” doing ignorant things (Yes, Obama quote but I’m not applying it just to democrats so much as a life philosophy)
Bob,
Yes, learn from the past. History shows running a country based on religious ideals is not a recipe for success. We are a country of religious freedom. If you believe someone can refuse serve someone because of their sexual affiliation then you should also believe we can shun that person for that action.
The fabric of our society has been torn by both sides. Our country was built on revolution. Our country was founded on the ideal that every man is his own man. It is not my job to judge someone for who they have sex with. They may not share my beliefs….so what? I just don’t understand, Bob. Why do some conservatives care so much about that stuff? We are CONSERVATIVES FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! WE MIND OUR OWN BUSINESS!
“Bob,
Yes, learn from the past. History shows running a country based on religious ideals is not a recipe for success.”
Quite the contrary. See my post about when Russia took their actions, I believe it was something like the early 1900’s, it’s earlier than you think, and I’m sure you were not taught about it. I wasn’t.
“We are a country of religious freedom. If you believe someone can refuse serve someone because of their sexual affiliation then you should also believe we can shun that person for that action.”
What? This is really out of nowhere. What are you getting at? Is this the other guy’s opinion? Anyone can choose to not associate with someone they don’t like “shun” that is not hate, it is being around like minded people. As it turns out, diversity actually causes separation. When people share an ideal, they unite. I’m not saying all groups should be segregated, but it is possible this issue for that individual is just a non starter, and he’s choosing not to engage, that is also isolating himself. That other individual will find someone else. Regarding serving people: You should be able to refuse service to whomever you want, or you’re engaging in a slavery relationship business to client. I do not approve of ever crossing that line. Watch me while I say even if someone is black. The vast majority of places will not refuse services because it will harm their business. And, to date, the people who have refused (and it is not an epidemic) merely didn’t want to make a cake for a celebration. This is not the end of the world, they should not have been shut down, not fined $50,000, and that politician just lost their election in Oregon, a notoriously blue state.
“The fabric of our society has been torn by both sides.”
No. Since the 80’s it has been almost 90% the left.
“Our country was built on revolution. Our country was founded on the ideal that every man is his own man.”
What’s your point?
“It is not my job to judge someone for who they have sex with. They may not share my beliefs….so what?”
Same to you, so what? What you’re advocating for here indirectly is dangerous. You don’t even want for people to be able to choose their own friends, without calling them disgusting because they don’t share your opinions of friends. See what I did there? As for forcing businesses to serve…That’s literal fascism if you get entrenched in such laws.
“I just don’t understand, Bob. Why do some conservatives care so much about that stuff? We are CONSERVATIVES FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! WE MIND OUR OWN BUSINESS!”
Some conservatives worry about what happens when society becomes sex obsessed, above children, above family, etc. And they have reason to.
Some conservatives don’t want the laws you want to counter these things.
I don’t think you’re seeing the full picture.
Those last two some people are not necessarily the same by the by.
Explain this behavior. Then you can TRY to analyze my posts.
http://www.infowars.com/anarchists-are-hoping-to-turn-donald-trumps-inauguration-on-january-20th-into-one-of-the-biggest-riots-in-u-s-history/
“Some conservatives worry about what happens when society becomes sex obsessed, above children, above family, etc. And they have reason to.”
Yet you voted for someone who is on his 3rd marriage, has committed adultery, and bragged about entering the dressing room, uninvited, to watch naked women prepare for a beauty pageant.
Why? So you may have lower taxes?
And you call me a hypocrite.
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TrumPolarBear,
First, there were more than 2 options. Why do you Trump supporters always assume that us anti-Trump people supported Hillary Clinton?
Second, nearly every woman I know has expressed that they do not support President-elect Trump. Most also did not support Hillary Clinton.
“For an example: Russia already engaged in loosening up sex freedoms in the past and marriage freedoms. With sexual freedom came more babies, with more babies came less success and more poverty,”
The increase in babies is only tangentially related to the debatable loosening of sexual freedoms. More important are economic factors.
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=rs&v=25
Around the time Bob references the GDP in Russia exploded upward by almost 400% during a short period. More financial stability has been shown to increase birth rates even when it is a relatively small increase.
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD?locations=RU
During the same time period Christianity, religiosity, and particularly Orthodox Christianity increased. An increase in Orthodox Christianity, and other religions with less acceptance of birth control naturally would increase birth rates.
http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2014/02/russia-1.png
Most of this increase was created by oil prices increasing. The crash in oil prices has predictably created increased poverty in the country, leading to more of the negative effects incorrectly attributed above to sexual and other freedoms.
http://www.macrotrends.net/1369/crude-oil-price-history-chart
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/22/millions-more-russians-living-in-poverty-as-economic-crisis-bites
Overall this is rated at 6/10 Bob Heads, because some of the incorrect data is due to bias and a lack of understanding of the economic, political, and social systems in Russia as well as the underlying data in the world, not on outright lies and dishonesty, although points are added due to stating religious-based biases as fact.
Hey Conserving the Lie, I believe you are on the wrong side. That side just lost because the ideas of the left are all wrong for this great country. 10 more days. Get some Preparation H if you need to.
Agent,
Conserving the Truth, unlike you, Bob and TrumPolarBear, is a true Conservative. Since when is that the wrong side?
AGENT,
I VOTED TRUMP.
Look at all the Hollyweird libitterals lately, making vids to oppose something they can’t accept like adults.
They continue to insult hard working people for their choices of entertainment; i.e. mixed martial arts and NFL fans.
TrumPresident is ALREADY fixing the exodus of American jobs…
Congress will make their best effort to fix the ACA mess, the bad deal with Iran, the ill will created with former allies such as Israel.
Yet, Libitterals feel the need to continue to judge others who opt for freedom of choice of capitalism, freedom of choice, freedom of speech, and the right of self determination.
Make America Aware Again.
Confusing the Truth is now playing amateur internet psychologist, but is doing a very bad job at it.
CTT needs an outlet for his/ her frustration with the current political climate.
No TRUE conservative would vent or rant against the winds of change that delivered Republican control of the White House, both chambers of Congress, and many state legislatures and governors. Oops! I just played ‘internet psychologist’! I must be a hypocrite, … like those who called out TrumPresident for not stating he would accept the results of the elections… but who now can’t accept the results of the election won by TrumPresident.
I wonder who in Hollyweird, who is washed up, will soon release another video pleading with some group of other people to interfere with the political process about to begin on 1/20/17?
I wish I thought of this earlier
It would have saved much of my time to write posts here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95HMg1l13EM
Sounds super complicated. Why don’t they just fix what’s wrong with Obamacare? Easier, common sense, and what the majority of Americans want.
Everyone should be aware of the rhetoric and lies that WILL be attempted by Dems when problems resulting from the ACA surface as its’ repeal and replacement occur.
Those lies will primarily be used for political gain by sore loser Dems. If we get the facts from the adults in charge now (and on 1/20/17), we will see through the Dems lies and obfuscations.
If you have a Dem Congressman in your state, write to them, asking about their intentions to support repeal and replace, and ask for a specific reply on their intentions in discussing the replacement plan and the progress made by those involved in the legislation.
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Liar. Loser. Libitteral. Snowflake.
You lost; so leave for a Trump-less country, which you should like better. Let us know how full scale socialism works out for you.
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Haha, “the Hippocratic Oath requires doctors to treat ill patients, so NO ONE WILL DIE due to the repeal and replace.” Holy cow, guy. Oversimplify much? Your statement assumes that people are sitting in the doctor’s office or the ER when something happens. Pretty sure losing insurance coverage implies that you will become much less likely to visit the doctor until the situation is pretty dire. That’s also glossing over having to pay for urgent or emergency care because preventative care is significantly less available, thus potentially incurring much higher medical costs as well.
Also, who bets you liked your own comments and that’s the only reason any of them have a like :P If you actually want to play in the sandbox with the other children and be taken even remotely seriously, try using actual facts to support your claims and less pathetic insults (seriously, your insults are pretty sub-standard: “libitterals”, come on now, you clearly aren’t even trying and just regurgitated that insult from some talk radio segment or blog).
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“I have insurance coverage. I’m not likely to visit the doctor due to deductibles. This is already common with the ACA.”
False. High deductible plans are not required by the PPACA and pre-date the law.
http://managedhealthcareexecutive.modernmedicine.com/managed-healthcare-executive/news/high-deductible-health-plans-brief-history
“Every republican plan has preventative services as part of the plan.”
That may be true, but we do not know what will be in the final bill and, more importantly, when it will be presented, voted upon, signed and implemented.
The rest of your post indicates you have limited information regarding much of the population in the lower (above the threshold for Medicaid) and middle class. Especially those with pre-existing conditions.
Here is a good read regarding high-risk pools:
http://kff.org/health-reform/issue-brief/high-risk-pools-for-uninsurable-individuals/
I should also add:
I had to get a plan on the exchange to get maternity care. When I went to do this, there were many that were quite alarmingly cheap for lower deductibles. Then I saw that nearly every local doctor was excluded, and the doctors that were not, most were not accepting new patients.
I really don’t think you know the effect of this law and others like it.
My wife is transitioning and is pregnant. The coverage is for her.
I don’t qualify for a subsidy either. And when you destroy me, and I am the middle class, it harms the entire economy.
I already pay thousands a year in health costs, and health premiums outside of her.
If a family of 6 were to get free healthcare coverage, while making only $40,000 a year, received a tax refund (which they would) to offset social security and medicare taxes, received free day care (which they would) free college (which they would) food stamps then they won’t try to do productive jobs. So this is easily a benefit of $4,000 per year. $80,000 until the kids are about 20 and I should give it more time.
That’s the issue here.
Also, in that income range they won’t just get free health insurance, they likely will get help with costs of child delivery for example, which I was aware of as a service in WA State but would not be eligible for.
So that would remove bills that I paid of about $10,000 over the course of 3 kids over 4 years. I’m guessing the government would cover half of somewhere around $50,000 of health costs for these three kids and the family by the time they are 18.
Let’s do some math shall we? As to why this doesn’t work?
We already spend about 40% of the GDP on these people. I have seen people live off of the government like this, and it needs to be ended, not programs extended.
Here is how a low income family would compare to a higher income educated family during years of having 3 kids. and they are younger like me. Let’s say both earners graduated and tried hard. They then earn $50,000. Side note, they probably paid about $30,000 here to, so they are in debt and are paying that each month. Let’s say they have it on a 10 year loan, and they are paying it off annually at $3,500 per year and the other family ends up getting it free due to Sanders’s free college plan.
$10,000 in health costs they wouldn’t pay.
I pay for half my insurance, and all my wife’s. $10,000 per year they don’t.
$500 per month minimum food stamps, $6,000 per year for 20-25 years.
Day care, 3 kids if they are the average family size: $1,150 per child, MINIMUM in WA state, $13,800, which I have to pay for my wife to be able to work.
Free college more or less, if you are the right age. I would have to pay for this for my wife, and I have. It was something like $550 on the low end for community college for one class and books. One class. That would equate to easily a $5,000 bill on the very lowest degree. That’s not a ton, and I’m going low on purpose, it’s still $5,000 of benefits I don’t get.
Now if I make say $100,000 with 4 kids.
Federal Taxes $8,000 instead of a refund. I now have $92,000. No help with the medical insurance. $82,000. Social security and medicare: $7,650. Now I have $74,350
Food that I pay for, and $500 per month is way too low of a food stamps estimate:
$68,350.
Daycare:
$54,550
$10,000 in medical bills equating to $3,350 roughly per year.
$51,200.
College $3,500 per year:
$47,700.
This for making the right choices, I would be about equal with the family in my state who decided to work at McDonald’s. Moreover, if that person at Mcdonald’s goes to college to work their way up, they only benefit about $7,700 and have to have the stress of school, a job, and paying of debt for years.
This is not sustainable. I have not even covered nearly everything.
We cannot keep pushing these services for free. I’m sorry. Rewards for harder (education wise) work is needed for the U.S. to thrive.
Even more importantly:
If they don’t get married and each claim a kid, (act irresponsible, which will almost certainly lead to them separating, which by the way is the leading cause of abuse for children, which also leads to violence, why do you think Chicago is a hell hole?)
They could get about $7,000 each in tax credits at that $20,000 range. They would also get even more help for the kids and food stamps as separate households.
Not only is it a damaging behavior, as proven by study after study to separate a household, it’s also expensive.
This is what we call the marriage penalty, and responsibility penalty, to the extreme.
It’s also why I believe in god. This is a structure that an entity is forcing to occur form my point of view.
Wow, hypocritical Bob freeloading on Obamacare when his wife is already pregnant. Talk about no personal responsibility.
Have you been to Chicago, idiot? It’s not really a Hell hole, I found it pretty great. It’s beautiful, there’s a ton to do, it’s affordable compared to other large cities, the people were much, much nicer than the predominantly garbage people I encountered in the south, and much nicer and more genuine than the people I lived around in the Pacific Northwest. The gun violence is due to gangs, and is not really widespread in the city. The crime rate isn’t even that high. They are right around 25th amomg large cities. Right below places like Minneapolis and Nashville in violent crimes. They are around 20th in murder rate among large cities.
Take the city Longview, TX, where another prominent idiot here lives. The murder rate there is over about 20% higher than on Chicago.
I would love to live there, it’s much better then 99% of the cities in the US if you like to do anything other then watch TV, or do outdoors things like camp/ATV/Hunt. I wouldn’t like the winter weather, but it’s probably better than most Midwestern states with the lake nearby.
Of course universities, educated people, arts, public transport and museums are negatives for people who prefer a fantasy world and immoral people who grab innocent women by the pussies.
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htt p://www.forbes.c om/sites/jamestaylor/2013/05/30/global-warming-alarmists-caught-doctoring-97-percent-consensus-claims/#7b4b67285909
This guy points out the difference between are humans causing global warming, and is it a crises.
The majority of papers from the original cook study said, yes, humans are causing global warming, the majority did not go over whether or not it was causing a crises.
This is where I started to tell him that his study did not go over catastrophic climate change. And it didn’t.
Later on one of his studies did, from what I can tell, it’s not cook et al, because he’s right. Cook et al doesn’t go over it, but I know for a fact one of his did and he missed it.
So, I will say I mentioned the wrong study, however, UW did do this. I’m certain of it.
>Affordable because no one wants to live there, the other things aren’t related to what I said.
So by that logic, nobody wants to live in most of the south, and liberal cities are significantly better since they are much more preferable. Also, this is in relation to other large cities, so even Chicago is preferred more than cheaper, conservative hell holes.
>Subtracting the kids up to 14 (645,000) In ten years of living there, you would have a 50% chance of being a victim of a crime.
Crimes against kids, like domestic abuse, which is big everywhere, is still a crime, and still counts you incompetent piece of Trump. So immediately you are engaging in Bob math, and are a disgraced clown. That is almost 25% of the population Einstein.
>List of cities by crime rates. What do you notice?
That you omit smaller, conservative cities. Not intentionally here though I think, because I think it is due to your staggering lack of intelligence, knowledge, or education when it comes to statistics.
Also Trumper, even the data you cite shows Chicago under the national median in every single case. Stop pretending to be smart, embrace your stupidity, or try to actually become informed.
>And from what I’ve seen from people who live there, this is about right. Assault in particular was much worse.
As always, data is irrelevant, it’s “what I’ve seen from people who live there”, from your dad, your brother, your uncle, etc. Nothing having to do with reality on the whole, just Bob experience, Bob math, and Bob reality. Each more bullshit than the rest, even when ignoring the fact that you are a constant liar.
>Meaning, that as people get divorces for no reason,
No reason, like not loving each other, desertion, abuse, health problems, death, etc. Fuck you and your enforced, psychotic, bullshit morality based on your extreme and perverted view of your religion. You are by your own admission an accused serial rapist, defended your friends sexually assaulting women and call people who believe differently than you sinners and supported Trump who is the most despicable presidential candidate in decades, stop lecturing on morality, you have none.
>That comment Trump said was about consensual behavior.
Lying Bob. Pathological, disturbed, insane.
>Yes. The majority of these cities that push these lifestyles are due to universities.
Of coooooourse! Be dumb, it’s better (unless you use your own rationale, and see that conservative cities are cheaper, and therefore less desired). “I love the poorly educated.”
>I’m educated”
No, you aren’t.
>And if this has gone down as a percentage of GDP, that is why you weigh the percentage and not adjusted dollars.”
Nope, liar. You were talking about w/ Reagan, and it was higher as a percentage of GDP every single year he was in office, although in his last year it was only marginally higher. In real terms as you were shown it was a huge increase. You are lying and clueless. I don’t really care about this one, it’s not my argument, all I care about is your weird desire to lie nonstop about everything, and never admit you or your idiotic kin Agent are wrong. Weird beyond belief.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spending_chart_1970_1990USp_18s2li011lcn_30t
“This is his link where he said he posted the cook study, and I told him this was not where I called him out about the cook study numbers when he used them, because quite clearly, none of the links there contain the cook study numbers.”
Lying Bob. NO quote about catastrophe. No Brains. No decency. Fuck off lying POS psycho.
Actu, check out the probability if you want to do the math, it’a big BM (Bob Math), as usual.
“This is his link where he said he posted the cook study, and I told him this was not where I called him out about the cook study numbers when he used them, because quite clearly, none of the links there contain the cook study numbers.”
http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/8/2/024024/pdf;jsessionid=FD0355C450E8C03BDD44678FC4A69361.c2.iopscience.cld.iop.org
It’s in the Guardian article right at the top, as expected. And, idiot, it’s a major study that takes 3 seconds to find on Google. And idiot, you presented “evidence” and said the study was fraudulent, even though you obviously didn’t read it. You are a liar at heard.
I don’t care about that dipshit, I care that you have attacked others here, stating absolute falsehoods, and in a cut and dry case like this still can’t grasp reality. You claim he said the the Cook paper said climate scientists said climate change was catastrophic, and claimed that in that paper the percentage was lower than claimed.
He said he never addressed catastrophe in the Cook paper, and that you were a liar for stating otherwise for weeks or months, and asked you to quote him, even providing the link. You can’t admit you are wrong. because you are nuts. You did the same whining about somebody looking into your lies about the government manipulating certain data.
You are a liar.
#BoycottBob
Good catch uw. Even removing 1/4 of the population, counting crimes against businesses as against people and assuming crime was randomly distributed across the population he was still off by about 25% (on the high side supporting his claim it should go without saying).
Plus as I’ve mentioned the rate is below the median for large cities and he excludes smaller cities to claim liberal cities have more crime, even though he’s an independent nonpartisan libertarian conservative educated guy, depending on the conversation since most of those aren’t compatible.
Just the math Bob, kiddo
I am not getting into a war with you two again.
I already made my points, I already conceded it is likely not the cook study.
I didn’t read your other posts, and, really it’s a bad move on my part but I cannot spend this much time arguing with you.
The military budget in 1981 was approved as a percentage of GDP. Most are. Reagan did not increase the military budget by any major means and it was not the source of his deficits. I stand by that. As my CBO link showed, the GDP growth was expected to be much lower, which is why in nominal dollars it appears to exploded, since spending was approved as a percentage of GDP and the GDP exploded far past CBO projections.
So on that one, your method of weight is wrong. I shouldn’t have left at that point because I should have known you would try the same tactic, and you’re trying it again. You flood comments until I just leave, and then say I left because I lost.
UW: You have not once said you were wrong, and while I have, you continue to call me extreme. I don’t have time for you.
ACTU: Grow up.
Don’t waste your time on this idiot, Actu. He lied for weeks specifically arguing that I claimed the Cook study said climate scientists agreed climate change would be catastrophic and called me a liar and insane for disputing that. When asked for a quote he continued to call me a liar but now pretends it was a different study, even though the ENTIRE point was his lies about what he claimed I said about Cook.
It is comical, and completely expected, the very second data is produced he says he is done and won’t look at it. Even the “data” he “cites” is a link to a data site, not an actual dataset like I linked for you, formatted for the correct years. Use the data I gave you as you wish of course, but even though it is his dataset disproving what he claimed he denies it, and will until the end, where he will call you a liar and say you want him dead, because that’s what hypothetical pieces of garbage do, it’s their nature.
He is a lying piece of shit and I’m done interacting with him, you should consider it too. One of his main psychological disorders is the need to feel and be perceived as intelligent, but he’s an uneducated extremist incapable of debate, because he can’t and won’t consider other data, even when it’s just his data going against his claim. I’ve seen more intelligent Twitter bots.
>This is where I started to tell him that his study did not go over catastrophic climate change. And it didn’t.
Liar, liar, liar. This is the entire point you lying Fuck. Just like you lie about me, Ron, Confused, and Planet, you cannot stop yourself. You know the comments are still there right?
I looked through them. They were linked when you were calling him a liar for a month, the same time you were calling me a liar, and when you were calling another person dishonest and freaking out because they checked your data and found it didn’t exist, and you’re backup data want related to what you claimed. Kinda like the Chicago and Reagan stats here. A pattern.
The ENTIRE POINT DUMBFUCK was that you said he claimed the Cook paper addressed the level of catastrophe. He didn’t, He told you this repeatedly. I looked through, and you have said you couldn’t find it, but were still right. Now you change your story. Deplorables will be deplorable.
As for not using Obamacare, your are wrong, as usual. Not receiving subsidies (which I doubt with your history) does not mean you didn’t benefit from it. You received a policy that will result in a loss for the company because you did not plan, and were not responsible before getting pregnant. YOU ARE A TAKER!
Just because it was the best deal for you, or because you declare otherwise doesn’t mean it’s not true.
What you are describing is sick care and not healthcare, Comrade Yogi.
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Oh, “eventually”, whew! Well, that’s good. In the meantime, don’t get sick and if you do get sick, I hope you are close to an ER. Otherwise, die quickly, no one wants you to suffer. No worries, the Russian Republican collective hearts and prayers go out to your loved ones in your absence.
If “eventually” isn’t fast enough for any sore loser libitterals trolling this website, they have the freedom to move to Cana-duh. Please, for the sake of patriots and freedom loving people, do it! Don’t hesitate another second! Move soon, before Socialist Canadian PM Justin True-D’oh builds a wall to keep out Hollyweird’s libitterals and tries to make Trump pay for it.
Got to leave soon to stock up on vodka for my inauguration party, just 11 days away now.
Comrade Yogi,
Speaking about Hollyweirds, how about that soon-to-be Executive Producer of “The Apprentice” in Chief. That guy is so weird, he has said he’d date his own daughter, he’s watched underage girls get undressed backstage of his pageant, he grabs women in the genitals whenever he wants (or just sexually assaults them on the mouth which is why he always carries Tic Tacs), wonders out loud about the future breast size of his one year old daughter on national TV, has allegedly raped a minor, spoke about his own Little Donnie on a political stage, mocks physically disabled people, and lies over 70% of the time he speaks. Now, that’s a recipe for a weirdo!
Captain, in his defense he did reportedly wonder if it was wrong to be now sexually attracted to his young daughter than his wife.
*more. Not now.
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Oh, “eventually”, whew! Well, that’s good. In the meantime, don’t get sick and if you do get sick, I hope you are close to an ER. Otherwise, die quickly, no one wants you to suffer. No worries, the Russian Republican collective hearts and prayers go out to your loved ones in your absence.
Very true, UW. I often look at my daughters and…THAT IS THE ABSOLUTE FURTHEST THING FROM MY MIND! Unbelievable. Only in America can this kind of disgusting become Prez.
Bob, if you like your plan, you can keep it, PERIOD. If you like your doctor, you can keep him, PERIOD. The average savings is $2,500 per family, PERIOD! Signed, Barack H. Obama
Democratic lie of the century.
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What you are describing is sick care and not healthcare, Comrade Yogi.
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Comrade Yogi,
Speaking about Hollyweirds, how about that soon-to-be Executive Producer of “The Apprentice” in Chief. That guy is so weird, he has said he’d date his own daughter, he’s watched underage girls get undressed backstage of his pageant, he grabs women in the genitals whenever he wants (or just sexually assaults them on the mouth which is why he always carries Tic Tacs), wonders out loud about the future breast size of his one year old daughter on national TV, has allegedly raped a minor, spoke about his own Little Donnie on a political stage, mocks physically disabled people, and lies over 70% of the time he speaks. Now, that’s a recipe for a weirdo!
Planet, Tic Tac Electoral College Ex-Apprentice Host ripped on Schwarzenegger for bad Apprentice ratings. Donnie Tic Tac, NBC and Schwarzenegger do better if the show does well, but only Trump can claim to do better if it fails. So, of course Donnie Tic Tac is cheering for it to fail so he can try to look good.
He will be exactly the same with the country; if it is between the country failing and Incest-Curios, Accused Pedophile Donnie Tic Tac potentially looking good he will let the country fail, and cheer as it does.
Arnold actually got 2nd in the ratings for that time slot. Does that make him President of TV?
http://nation.foxnews.com/2017/01/06/watch-paul-ryan-busts-out-laughing-democrats-protest-trump-s-election-certification
Hey I have a ton of downvotes and Bob is back from his melt down. For fun to look in the individual mandate thread, he got embarrassed by 3 people, lied as usual, put words in everybody else’s mouths, and disappeared the second data was presented. Bob’s MO.
Not at all true.
Your meltdown is however on going.
Oy vey, I’m tired of having to do this with kids like you.
A: Confused has said the concept I accused him of when it comes to the right.
B: Name someone I put words into their mouths, and I am assuming you mean Confused. I was correct, though wrong that he specifically said me in that one post. ONE. He has numerous times implied that conservatives are not rooted in reality. Do you believe they are rooted in reality? Are you going to try and lie now and say you do? Then I’m right in the concept and I’m not putting words into people’s mouths. There’s a reason you remove the object, and turn it into a subject. It removes objectivity and allows you to make things subjective to what you want. I shouldn’t have to keep you in line, but I do. Because some people follow after this virtue signaling in the younger crowd and envy pricks like you.
C: I did not get embarrassed. I was getting harassed and pissed off. My comment about the medical went to a tangent, and it was clear that you guys can say whatever you want about agent, but the moment I come in and say confused is over zealous with the right, you explode. It’s mental kid.
D: What Data? UW doesn’t even have his own data. He quoted the Guardian in what he referenced and asked me to point out where in the study it said what I was saying. I replied that I could ask the same of him, because what he pointed to, didn’t have the data.
E: UW has quite clearly sold the Cook study as the go to study for climate change, and I’ve quite clearly called it wrong. Instead of saying I lied about what he said about his own study, why don’t you direct my new study? I noticed you haven’t yet. It’s because you want to make things about ad hominem, as usual.
I don’t have time for idiots indefinitely ACTU.
Get lost.
I see links from him in there from the same source you provided, so your Guardian line is incorrect or a lie. You are embarrassing yourself in the Cook study. You bombed each thread calling him a liar saying he claimed the Cook study said climate scientists believed climate change was catastrophic. He said the study wasn’t about that and even provided links to the stories asking for a quote verifying what you claimed and you never provided it. You are a liar.
You also argued with another person doing almost the same thing, lying about your data and demanding they find it on their own, and then saying it was their fault when it didn’t exist, and have also lied about me in a similar manner.
You are a fucking liar to the first degree. I find it very odd you won’t just admit you were wrong about what you claim he said about Cook et al or the data you claimed to cite. Even the Reagan military spending reduction is debunked in the other thread and you can’t accept it. Nothing matters to you but seeming smart and thinking you won, regardless of the math. UW was right, every single time someone presents data you disappear and say you don’t have the time. What a joke, both intellectually and morally.
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By the way: I’m being intentionally sarcastic with the source quote or it didn’t happen.
I’m throwing it back in your face. UW is trying that crap right now. I’m sure this happened and I’m not going to spend hours searching for it.
If it did not, and I am somehow wrong, this would be a reasonable area to be wrong in, and then focusing on it, would be unreasonable, rather than the topic. In no scenario would you not be obsessed with being right, if you cannot argue the topic. Conservatives were called insane for not agreeing with climate change as supported by democrats and climate change measures. They aren’t. I stand by my comment that there is every reason to question this. And if you want to use ad hominem as the route of your arguments go ahead. This is absurd.
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We all saw your debate Confused and say we should torture if there is any chance of stopping a terrorist attack. You created a number, like 3% chance of the tortured having info, meaning 97% chance of not having info and being innocent.
I am genuinely intrigued as to whether your are actually this much of a liar, so messed up you don’t actually remember this, or just insane. You even said you torture and check the info. You exec said exec if only 3/100 have info and don’t give false info:
>It does not make us by concept as bad as our enemies because we torture for tgis obvious reason:
The reason and motivation for the torture
You are a compulsive liar who thinks because you don’t know how to research previous statements they don’t exist. Nothing you say is based in reality or true.
Actu
Before obamacare, people weren’t just dying because they didn’t have insurance. They went to a doctor at a hospital and were treated and the taxpayers footed the bill. Stop sensationalizing and give TRUMP a chance. He isn’t the President yet. Obama is.
Exactly, and now they are given the bill again for more expensive, less effective care, with more people dying. Great point and nice to see you agree, but I don’t get what going back to not every that, but a system where people have Medicare cut massively does to improve it. At least the GOP is covering their tracks outlawing the budget reports and analysis from counting the effects of removing Obamacare.
Tolerance, we did have our revolution this past year. We kicked out the Progressive Socialists from power. They are the sorest of losers. I recommend they go down to the drug store and stock up on Preparation H. They can get it over the counter and medicate their butts every day of the week.
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Since more people voted against Drumpfy than for him, maybe you should just go to Russia. They love your kind over there, celebrate you, even. You said you need more vodka, they are not in short supply there. And it’s good, I suggest Russian Standard or Jewel of Russia, both are excellent pours.
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Well, I love all of you because that’s what the real Jesus taught his true followers. Now, those who follow Supply Side Jesus, on the other hand…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc-LJ_3VbUA
Cheers, Patticake!
Oh, and please refrain from the insulting name. You can attack public figures all you want, just not other posters. Isn’t that right, Insurance Journal?
Stop being such a whiny, cry baby, snowflake, Cappie. It is not becoming of you.
Oh Patticake,
I shed no tears, I didn’t like either major party candidate. I’m just going to be critical of the puppet in charge. Get used to it and cheers!
Captain do you think the tic tacs mask the stench of urine?
Dude probably loves pee so much, he likely has Tic Tacs make his own special urine-flavored mints. Actually, strike that. I think he has them made in a different flavor, because it’s nothing more than a bunch of bulltrump that comes out of his mouth all the time.
Now we know why they gave his plane that weird water salute when it left the airport when he was going to meet with Obama.
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Since more people voted against Drumpfy than for him, maybe you should just go to Russia. They love your kind over there, celebrate you, even. You said you need more vodka, they are not in short supply there. And it’s good, I suggest Russian Standard or Jewel of Russia, both are excellent pours.
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I’m so old, I remember President-Elect Perverted Underaged-girl Peeping Incest Curious Alleged Child Raping Dishonest Dumb Donnie Tic Tacs and his sexually deranged carnival digits stating, no promising he is the only candidate who would not be touching the benefits of SS, Medicare, and using a cap on Medicaid over and over and over again. So, is he lying to you or to the Americans who voted thinking he wasn’t going to mess with those programs?
From Forbes:
“So where does President-elect Trump stand on cuts to entitlements, other than the Medicaid cap he embraced during the campaign—the one that’s already built into Steuerle’s grim numbers? During the campaign, Trump promised to protect Social Security without cutting benefits, raising taxes, or raising the retirement age, suggesting a long term funding shortfall—starting in 2035, the tax dollars coming in will be enough to pay only 77% of benefits—could be solved simply by goosing the economy and cutting waste, fraud and abuse. Similarly, when it comes to Medicare, Trump has promised to protect benefits, but has offered no real ideas for curbing the growth of costs, other than allowing the program to negotiate with pharmaceutical companies,which Republicans have traditionally opposed.”
http://nation.foxnews.com/2017/01/06/watch-paul-ryan-busts-out-laughing-democrats-protest-trump-s-election-certification
I think you posted that to the wrong comment. A person as intelligent as you would realize that has nothing to do with this comment.
Troll-posting on behalf of George Sore-ass? How much do you get paid these post-election loss days?
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I’m so old, I remember President-Elect Perverted Underaged-girl Peeping Incest Curious Alleged Child Raping Dishonest Dumb Donnie Tic Tacs and his sexually deranged carnival digits stating, no promising he is the only candidate who would not be touching the benefits of SS, Medicare, and using a cap on Medicaid over and over and over again. So, is he lying to you or to the Americans who voted thinking he wasn’t going to mess with those programs?
From Forbes:
“So where does President-elect Trump stand on cuts to entitlements, other than the Medicaid cap he embraced during the campaign—the one that’s already built into Steuerle’s grim numbers? During the campaign, Trump promised to protect Social Security without cutting benefits, raising taxes, or raising the retirement age, suggesting a long term funding shortfall—starting in 2035, the tax dollars coming in will be enough to pay only 77% of benefits—could be solved simply by goosing the economy and cutting waste, fraud and abuse. Similarly, when it comes to Medicare, Trump has promised to protect benefits, but has offered no real ideas for curbing the growth of costs, other than allowing the program to negotiate with pharmaceutical companies,which Republicans have traditionally opposed.”
Big news missed in the latest 3 million votes fewer Donnie tic tac carnival when he assured us the wall he would start on day 1 will be paid for by Mexico. He said they might pay us back later with a tax. I guess our taxes will be going down a lot if we will be taxing other countries for our projects.
That was before he refused to say in front of camera that he and his staff had not committed treason and had contact with Russia.
MAI&CFA;
Make America Insured & Cared For Again!
Let’s do what they do Down Under
That’s right, their beaches and exotic wildlife aren’t the only things keeping Australians happy — their medical system is too! In Australia, public coverage is guaranteed to all, but the state encourages wealthier individuals to use a private system by enforcing an additional 1% tax on those who fall above a certain income level but use the public system anyway. The fruits of the government’s innovative techniques are evident in Australia’s death rate from conditions amenable to medical care, which was a startling 50% less than America’s in 2003 and 25% less than the United Kingdom’s.
Please state the SPECIFIC death rates you are referring to. Then, we can all see the results to be not much more than statistical variation of a miniscule number.
TrumPolar, the last time I checked, Australia has about 300 million less population than the US. 9 more days to go.
Just Me posted PERCENTAGES of population, not actual counts. You saying one place has more people than the other is pointless when the discussion is about what percent of the population is impacted as opposed to a raw tally of the numbers.
No, absolute numbers mean something. You just can’t comprehend the concepts of relative magnitude and credibility.
Wrong.
Percentage CHANGES are not the same as PERCENTAGES of a population.
Go back to kindergarten and repeat all of your reading lessons.
Just when you think they cannot say anything to make themselves appear dumber than they already are they do something like this. Yogi makes these claims after lying and claiming to have a degree in statistics. What trash.
Example:
Australian mortality rate = .004 = .4%.
US mortality rate = .006 = .6%
+50% mortality differential looks BIG.
Actual nominal difference = .002 = .2%.
Got it, TROLL?
If not, go upstairs and ask an adult to explain it to you.
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Ask an adult for help.
Adults agree with me on this matter. Please direct your condescending trolling insults somewhere else.
Don’t blame them, TrumPolarBear. They are using Common Core math that was crammed down our educational system’s throat by…THE LIBERALS..
I learned “regular” math as they didn’t start teaching Common Core until many years after I graduated college. Regardless, MATH IS MATH and the numbers work out to be the same so your post is useless, unless you were just trolling me.
Don’t flatter yourself, Confused. I’m not a troll. I’m a Republican.
Don’t kid yourself Patticake, those terms are not mutually exclusive.
You are 100% wrong Yogi. You want to compare percentage changes when the population sizes aren’t the same size. Comparing the nominal change between 2 populations when one is 7% as big as the other is wrong, and idiotic. A 10% change in Australia would look similar to a 1-2% change in the US.
If you actually had a degree in statistics, instead of just lying about having one, you would know this. I guess this wasn’t taught at Trump University, or whichever university you pretended to go to.
Stop talking about math and statistics, you are incompetent.
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I did; all the lies above were discredited.
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Troll someone else dumb enough to respond to your childish banter.
http://nation.foxnews.com/2017/01/06/watch-paul-ryan-busts-out-laughing-democrats-protest-trump-s-election-certification
You responded 2X, Yogi.
http://nation.foxnews.com/2017/01/06/watch-paul-ryan-busts-out-laughing-democrats-protest-trump-s-election-certification
Now I responded 3 times.
And, my fourth response is:
http://nation.foxnews.com/2017/01/06/watch-paul-ryan-busts-out-laughing-democrats-protest-trump-s-election-certification
FIFTH Response:
Only 10 more days until the END OF OUR LONG NATIONAL NIGHTMARE.
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It is because the Trump Empire is paying him to post useless crap in an attempt to indoctrinate us into becoming blind lemmings like him and Agent. There is no other logical reason.
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Patticake,
What makes you think I am looking for your approval?
I just want you to realize that you are a bunch of lying hypocrites who are blindly following your Republican overlords.
“Patticake,
What makes you think I am looking for your approval?
I just want you to realize that you are a bunch of lying hypocrites who are blindly following your Republican overlords.”
Which is why republican voters break from their party more often than democrats, and why democrats tend to support party issues more than republicans, (as in republicans are divided) and is why the schools teach our kids liberal horse crap, and 80% of kids who graduated college were in favor of Sanders?
Yeah, we totally have a conservative indoctrination problem.
You need to battle the left, not the supposed hypocrites on the right. The right is always kept in line, because conservatives fight with each other all the damn time over hot issues.
You would know this if you paid attention to your step father or father I cannot recall which.
They abandon candidates, like they did Bob Dole, for cheating, whereas Clinton, it made him stronger.
You’re wrong politically and you’re immature emotionally, as well as horribly well versed spiritually.
Go google Trump and find me the overlord stance protecting him.
Go ahead. I’ll wait. I google him EVERY DAY.
AND EVERY DAY
Literally EVERY article, even most those from Fox when I scroll down, at the top, insult Trump. In fact, other than a few Neutral Fox articles? I see 95 or above % insults and lies and I have pointed out as such these lies.
The over lords are certainly not Trumpians so to speak.
On my Iphone? I flip to News, and literally EVERY DAY on that one, it is Trump bashing horse crap. Unlike Google, you will NEVER see an article saying praise to Trump.
Yeah, such bias. Kid, grow up and fight the people you should before your kids run into this type of indoctrination. It has to be battled, and that means crushing the left, who they will be prone to go to due to virtue signaling. Statistically your kids are not at risk of going too far right.
Yeah Ron, we need more neutral sources like Fox News, who Bob has claimed over and over he doesn’t read or view.
For instance just this week a company confirmed the announcement they made 18 months ago saying they were keeping jobs here and I only saw a dozen sources reporting on Trump’s Tweets taking credit, it should be thousands repeating his lies. Trump should also be praised for skipping intelligence briefings, lying about them being rescheduled, dismissing what was in them before he was briefed, and releasing a pre-written letter 10 minutes after the briefing conflating what was in the briefing and the separate topic of voting machines. Also they should spin the conflicts of interests positively. So what he lied and underclaimed tens of billions of dollars of debt to countries like China? Praise him for not lying by trillions.
“Yeah Ron, we need more neutral sources like Fox News, who Bob has claimed over and over he doesn’t read or view.”
I haven’t source quoted them, and I’m talking about what I saw come up in google. The only companies that had a non negative stance were Fox News. I am not calling Fox News neutral. This is you being an idiot.
“For instance just this week a company confirmed the announcement they made 18 months ago saying they were keeping jobs here and I only saw a dozen sources reporting on Trump’s Tweets taking credit, it should be thousands repeating his lies.”
This is sheer insanity. Every major agency is reporting on this, and most have lied. For example, I showed where Ford gave Trump credit.
“Trump should also be praised for skipping intelligence briefings, lying about them being rescheduled, dismissing what was in them before he was briefed, and releasing a pre-written letter 10 minutes after the briefing conflating what was in the briefing and the separate topic of voting machines. Also they should spin the conflicts of interests positively. So what he lied and underclaimed tens of billions of dollars of debt to countries like China? Praise him for not lying by trillions.”
All of this is sheer evidence to what I’m talking about. Where did you read this UW?
The supposed positive articles about Trump? Can you direct me to some positive articles about Trump, from maybe 5 news agencies?
Go ahead. I’ll wait.
But really, there should be thousands of articles otherwise the world is biased.
There is a denial quote if I’ve ever heard one. That makes it so no matter how much they report, it just should be that way.
Also, if you found a dozen, that’s about how many links fit on one page. Did you try clicking “next page” dumbass? Or did you skip that over?
>In fact, other than a few Neutral Fox articles
Yeah UW, when he says he doesn’t read or listen to Fox it’s not a “source quote” idiot so it doesn’t count. /s
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>In fact, other than a few Neutral Fox articles
Yeah UW, when he says he doesn’t read or listen to Fox it’s not a “source quote” idiot so it doesn’t count. /s”
What the fuck are you talking about? You insane son of a bitch.
Go google Trump. Tell me what links you see. If you do that, do you read all the news agencies you see?
That’s what I did. I did NOT look up Fox News. I did NOT as I never do, READ FOX NEWS and moreover, this is AGAIN your bigoted behavior. The only reason you two are holding on to this is because you’re trying to say I’m extreme and listen to Fox News, because you think that’s a valid attack route.
I have not source quoted Fox News here, I always use other links. Fuck you for trying to attach me to them because I did a google search for Trump to see who says positive things about Trump. And the answer, again, is no one. Briebart had a positive article when I googled a month ago, and they seem to be the only place that ever does. Did I even read the article full way through? No. But the title was enough to know. If it says “Trump lied about jobs” we can assume it is negative, if like Fox’s title said “Ford keeps jobs in the U.S.” we can assume it is neutral, and if it says like Briebart, “Trump saves 8,000 jobs” we can assume it is positive.
You’re a fucking idiot.
And yes, by the way:
Googling Trump and seeing who has positive links, is NOT reading Fox News.
Fuck face.
The guy who quotes cartoons and pastes spam after every comment is calling people childish. Rich
“The guy who quotes cartoons and pastes spam after every comment is calling people childish. Rich”
I do not quote cartoons, that’s agent.
If I ever have, it is not a regular occurrence, and none of my debate on the last month has included a single one.
Also, posting many comments to make a point is not spam.
Further to the point: I cannot get to a point where UW won’t leave a half a million comments when he believes I am done with a topic, in an attempt to get the last word.
Furthermore: I’m insulting the action of what you’re doing, rather than saying “you do this!” to take focus off your own shit, look inward.
You were in the wrong just now. I do not read Fox News, you didn’t catch me in some lie.
If you did this same research to find out the same thing, could I say you are a regular reader of Fox News if you said you googled Hillary and nothing good came up?
No! This is insane harassment. The reason I am irate here is largely due you and UW harassing the hell out of me.
Knock it off!
I was not replying to you Bob. Stop your incessant fucking whining. I replied to the person with the cartoon name, who accused others of being childish. Now apologize for your unfounded attack on me, or at least admit you were confused.
All I did was join in on UW calling you a liar after he proved you were lying by attributing statements to him that he never made while you were simultaneously calling me a liar, Ron a liar, and Confused a liar. Geez, don’t see any replies to the posts with data. Get over yourself idiot.
List the 3 main causes of death among African-Americans and those for Australians, split between Caucassians and Australoids (smallest race on Earth).
One thing not evident in the mortality rates in the comparison of SUMMARY stats is deaths via violence to African Americans due to gang violence in large cities; e.g. Chicago, Baltimore, LA, NYC, etc.
How are the above sources of death treated in the ‘stats’ you quoted but did not reference via a link? If those are considered in ‘conditions amenable to medical care’, then they are indeed misleading and inappropriate to argue your point.
Trump U education right there.
Are they talking with Scott Walker in WI? He has successfully addressed some of the underlying issues to control cost.
Whats he done here thats working so well? I know the opiad program with less then 10% participation has taken some credit and NY has taken notice.
Why no one else?
Repeal of the ACA will cause millions to lose coverage??!!
Bolshevik!
https://www.yahoo.com/news/kremlin-says-u-hacking-allegations-reminiscent-witch-hunt-114241418–business.html
So, once it is repealed, are the free preventative services going away? You can give us that much at least, can’t you Comrade Yogi? Or, are you afraid to tell us? I know how fear works with Faux News crowd. Though, it usually generates some sort of action the corporate overlords want.
censorship
So, once it is repealed, are the free preventative services going away? You can give us that much at least, can’t you Comrade Yogi? Or, are you afraid to tell us? I know how fear works with Faux News crowd. Though, it usually generates some sort of action the corporate overlords want.
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TrumPolar, How about a little truth to get us started for the week? Title of the Article is US. Written by Paul Genova who said – I’m noticing that a lot of you aren’t graciously accepting the fact that your candidate lost.
In fact, you seem to be posting even more hateful things about those of us who voted for Trump.
Some of you are apparently “triggered” because you are posting how “sick” you feel about the results.
How did this happen you ask?
You created “us” when you attacked our freedom of speech.
You created “us” when you attacked our right to bear arms.
You created “us” when you attacked our Christian beliefs.
You created “us” when you constantly referred to us as racists.
You created “us” when you constantly called us xenophobic.
You created “us” when you told us to get on board or get out of the way.
You created “us” when you forced us to buy health care and financially penalized us for not participating.
You created “us” when you lied and said we could keep our insurance plans and our doctors.
You created “us” when you allowed our jobs to continue to leave the country.
You created “us” when you attacked our flag.
You created “us” when you took God out of our schools
You created “us” when you confused women’s rights with feminism.
You created “us” when you began to emasculate men.
You created “us” when you decided to make our children soft.
You created “us” when you decided to rewrite school history books and remove the truth about our founders.
You created “us” when you decided to vote for Progressive Ideas.
You created “us” when you attacked our way of life.
You created “us” when you decided to let our government get out of control.
You created “us”, the silent majority.
You created “us” when you took a knee or stayed seated or didn’t remove your hat during our National Anthem.
And we became fed up and we pushed back and spoke up. And we did it with ballots, not bullets, with ballots, not riots, with ballots, not riots, with ballots, not looting, with ballots, not blocking traffic, with ballots, not fires, except the one you started inside of “us”.
Ok Progressives, feel free to down vote me 150 times or more.
You also cannot discount the fact that over 7 million more people voted for someone other than Donald Trump. If you factor in the unknown millions who likely voted for Donald Trump solely to keep Hillary Clinton from getting elected, that leaves a relatively small percentage of the voters who actually voted because they want Donald Trump to be our next president.
You could not say the same thing in 2008 and 2012 regarding President Obama.
You cannot discount the fact that TrumPresident won 305 EC votes net of ONE defector, and Hillary won 228 net of the 4 defectors.
And this is relevant to my post how?
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Ron, we all know you voted for the worst President in history. No need to keep repeating it. 10 more days until the nation starts the recovery period.
Bush, Harding, and Reagan were not running, he already said he didn’t vote for Trump.
Agent,
We have been recovering for 7+ years now. But hey, why let facts get in the way of your false narrative.
Would you like to compare economic indicators of 2008 to 2017 and see whether or not there has been a recovery? You would be wise to decline.
Ron voted for Reagan both times, Agent?
Did you just again try to imply Reagan was one of the worst presidents in History?
Such nonsense.
If Agent is allowed to have his OPINION that President Obama is the worst president in our history, Captain Planet is free to have his OPINION that President Reagan was the worst.
Welcome to America!! Don’t like it? Feel free to move.
Reagan was very successful at destroying the middle class. Also at bringing astrology into the white house, something we will wish Trump could just do after hours idiocy takes hold. Just the bill for cleaning up his prostitutes’ urine and keeping a home in NY will be expensive beyond belief. Family values.
“Reagan was very successful at destroying the middle class”
Show your work, this is a statement of fact and is untrue.
“Also at bringing astrology into the white house, something we will wish Trump could just do after hours idiocy takes hold.”
What in the world? This is grouping. Twice. First to say astrology is insane, then to claim another republican will probably be similarly insane. Hillary has quite a looney bin attitude with talking to dead people as a therapeutic thing. I think it’s stupid, but I also don’t think any of these things affect policy. If so, prove it.
“Just the bill for cleaning up his prostitutes’ urine and keeping a home in NY will be expensive beyond belief. Family values.”
Hyperbole for affect is not ok. I tell the conservatives not to bring up Clinton’s sex life, which definitely had less family values than Trump. I think it’s fair to keep this out of politics. I’ve held that standard in your favor, so knock it off.
Respond to any of the data presented here and I’ll show my work, dipshit. After the 20th consecutive ‘I didn’t even look at the data but it’s wrong,’you lose your right to demand math, idiot.
“Respond to any of the data presented here and I’ll show my work, dipshit. After the 20th consecutive ‘I didn’t even look at the data but it’s wrong,’you lose your right to demand math, idiot.”
I did look at the data, and there was no 20th event, fuck face, you don’t get to try to pull a move like this. This is grouping, and I knew this is why you made the attack you did.
You cannot say that you are right on an issue and have proven it because you believe someone else didn’t prove their point.
You cannot then say that you are right in general so you are right about Reagan. Show your work. I’ve shown mine.
Also, on Climate change? I AM RIGHT. So go fuck yourself. And I’m the only one here that pointed out there are four different methods of measurement, and numerous measuring locations, that the NOAA reconciled into one chart, that all have a margin of error that could put them at no warming, also, I’m the only one that showed the most recent method of measurement, and possibly the best, is the 2003 method that shows the government is doubling the affect of warming in the ocean (as well as the NOAA).
That is showing your fucking work!!! SO SHOW YOUR GOD DAMN WORK!!
“You cannot say that you are right on an issue and have proven it because you believe someone else didn’t prove their point.”
Have to add, “because you believe someone else didn’t prove their point ON AN UNRELATED TOPIC”
I can just as easily say you and UW don’t get to comment because of the Iraq spending commentary, or the Reagan spending commentary, both of which you are wrong regarding.
And you are. Both wrong on those topics, you by default for defending him.
Thanks ACTU, the puppy is following your bumper now. Don’t you get it? He already said he would not look at the data, therefore it doesn’t exist. You got served! You are better off debating a coherent, sane person.
My God…
69,498,516 Obama.
62,979,879 Trump.
Third party Obama: 2,023,954
Third party Trump: 8,229,083
The third party vote did grow by 6 million, and yes. You can discount it. Because they also voted for someone other than Hillary.
As for the difference in 6 million votes as to a percentage of the total population?
Obama has a relatively small percentage of the voters who actually wanted Obama to be our president.
Also, the electoral college stops a majority from oppressing a minority. A general election with just vote tallies would be far worse.
Well, more importantly on the numbers:
McCain:
59,950,323
Hillary:
65,844,954
So democrats fell by 3,653,562,
Third party grew by 6,205,129,
Republicans grew by nearly the same amount democrats fell: 3,029,556,
Let’s put it this way:
The vast majority of people I know did not like Trump. And they voted for him, and republicans still grew by 3 million while democrats shrank by 3 million.
This election is indicative of a republican push back. There was a clear rejection of the path we are on if you count those third party votes and the gains in the republican party. It’s just the democrats did a dang good job of trying to burn the whole damn building to the ground to stop Trump. This has been criticism and attacks out of control. Obama mentioned putting lip stick on a pig, and he was definitely taking about Palin. Trump calls Rosie a fat pig (and she is) and then it’s like he isn’t qualified to be president. I mean really, one was called sexist, and the other, I saw college kids APPLAUDING and loving that insult. At least HALF of them wanted more attacks to go to Palin. It’s sickening. This is not equal on both sides. You guys have been burning the whole building down for some time to be able to attack.
The electoral college never intended for a minority to oppress a majority, and it assumed equal voting in states not huge Republican gerrymandering and voter suppression. The legitimate voters removed from the rolls in swing states alone were enough to swing the election.
Plus illiterate genius, that wasn’t the point being made when he said how many millions more are against Trump
“The electoral college never intended for a minority to oppress a majority, and it assumed equal voting in states not huge Republican gerrymandering and voter suppression. The legitimate voters removed from the rolls in swing states alone were enough to swing the election.”
Ok, do more research on this and come back. I can see why you’re trying to convince yourself of the above, because you want to believe Republicans are suppressing voters, but I assure you, the opposite is true when considering the founding fathers. Until two weeks ago, I did not know this, so I know for a fact you don’t. We are a republic. The electoral college served a few purposes. One: To stop a democracy from going out of control. Two: Similarly, if a democratic majority wanted to oppress another, this stops it. It gives states with higher populations less of a power hold. Just go google it, and stop just saying things. I can tell that is what you do, your initial reactions.
“Plus illiterate genius, that wasn’t the point being made when he said how many millions more are against Trump”
Are you this fucking dense. I can add my own commentary. The purpose of my comment was to say this:
1. The difference was minimal in votes. There was no real statistical huge difference between Trump and Obama.
2. I added that to show that even if we go by popular vote here, the electoral college itself was established because the popular vote being considered can be bad. And Ron is probably the pure democracy person and does not understand we are a constitutional republic. Go look into it more.
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So you tell me:
What is the purpose of the electoral college?
Why don’t we just do a popular vote?
I know you yourself are thinking this, and many democrats have said it as of late to do away with it, but I’m asking to point out the original reason for it’s creation, not to justify it’s removal.
When you find the reason for it’s creation, you can then decide if it’s purpose is good.
So in your own words, provide me a thesis on the electoral college.
Go ahead.
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Style over substance eh Confused?
When you can’t direct the topic at hand make it about marginal grammatical issues.
Such duche-bagery. I guarntee you if we did an aptitude test, you would be behind in nearly every category.
In High school while half asleep I did so well on the SAT’s they had me retake it.
I assure you, English and Math were the strongest for me. This is not including my IQ which was separately in excess of 150.
Go ahead and call me arrogant for saying this, but I’m getting tired of idiots using typical debate distractions to imply I’m stupid.
“Style over substance eh Confused?”
Well you didn’t respond to my substantive post with numbers from the 2008, 2012 & 2016 elections, so yeah, I went with style in this reply.
“I guarntee you if we did an aptitude test, you would be behind in nearly every category…In High school while half asleep I did so well on the SAT’s they had me retake it.”
They don’t force people to retake an SAT based on positive results, so what REALLY happened?
“I assure you, English and Math were the strongest for me.”
Thanks for your assurance. I now have even less faith in standardized aptitude tests than I had before. Spelling, grammar, punctuation, homonyms, logic, reading comprehension, memory, definition of statistically insignificant (10 percentage point difference isn’t statistically significant to you – still waiting on your response to that)…are you SURE your test included those things? I’m not.
“I’m getting tired of idiots using typical debate distractions to imply I’m stupid…”
Well, stop posting stupid stuff. Then we won’t be able to cite you (verbatim, I might add) to support your lack of intelligence. Easy peasy japanesey.
You just learned what the electoral college was for, even though you claim to be educated, and now you are pretending to be an expert. Read Democracy In America, and a bunch of history on it and get back to me. It was largely to preserve slavery.
Confused, this guy had totally lost it. He is arguing above that we need to end Obamacare and stop people who are taking from the system by spending irresponsibly and getting on programs, but apparently he doesn’t know these programs are not based on net income minus spending.
Then, he says he benefited from Obamacare by buying insurance after his wife got pregnant. He’s truly insane and completely unaware. So much for personal responsibility, but of course he will argue his case is different and his benefits are ok
Let me make a couple of things clear to my friends on the right:
1. President Trump and the Republicans did not receive a mandate to do whatever they want, period. We will not just submit to their policies without voicing our opposition when warranted. I hope you have the courage to do the same.
2.You have criticized President Obama non-stop for 7+ years, sometimes justifiably, other times not-so-much. President Trump will receive the same treatment from those who oppose him. That is how America works. Don’t like it? MOVE!!!!!
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Bob,
I have already applauded President-elect for the Carrier deal, holding defense contractors accountable, and Ford creating more union jobs here.
As I said, and have kept my word, I will give him a fair chance and credit when due, but not a free pass.
Don’t forget Ron – you also praised Trump when he got the House to reverse their actions regarding the House Ethics Committee!
Thank you for reminding me Confused. Funny how our Republican/Conservative friends have poor memories when I do something other than speak in opposition.
Confused and Ron:
And you’re already saying he’s not creating the jobs he is, you’re already criticizing a healthcare plan not in existence, saying you hope the costs explode so it gets thrown in the republican faces, (your wording was you hope it does go up in cost when they implement an insurance coverage without a mandate) and you already are trying to criticize him before he’s president and call him a liar, while not doing your fact checking on the matter. You’re not fooling anyone. This is your attempt for you. Not to be fair to Trump. Your ego is astounding, much like Confused. All it took was referencing him in one topic to start a huge tangent last week, because I’m a total liar since I referenced one of his quotes incorrectly, even though conceptually he did what I said.
You’re being fake.
For you and confused here: I don’t fall for bull crap. It’s time to grow up boys.
Bob, not sure the Little Sisters of the Poor would vote for any liberal politician at this point.
Ron, IMO, it would be better if Trump did nothing, or made the Carrier deal policy, instead of an as-needed publicity stunt. Require defense contractors to keep US jobs here, and do not pay them $7 of taxpayer dollars after promising on the campaign trail they would be punished for doing this, and which is money from taxpayers to this company, to keep jobs here as a publicity stunt.
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Bob,
This is the easiest one to debunk yet.
I have been against the PPACA since it passed.
However, I do not recall anyone from the right willing to give President Obama a chance in 2008, even though he received more total votes, electoral college votes and a much higher percentage of the total vote. That, sir, is hypocrisy.
Bob, no one has bought anything Ron has been selling for 8 years now except for your former student you couldn’t reform into a straight thinking adult.
“Bob, no one has bought anything Ron has been selling for 8 years now”
Yet Ron JUST posted that the PPACA is bad, that Trump’s actions on the Carrier deal is good, that it’s good Trump is holding defense contractors accountable and how Trump helped Ford create more jobs, and that it’s good Trump got the House to reverse their decision on the Ethics Committee.
You’re not buying any of that, Agent?
Which of those comments do you disagree with?
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Bob,
This is the easiest one to debunk yet.
I have been against the PPACA since it passed.”
It’s easy to debunk things when you apply a twist or don’t know how to read. What did I say Ron? You just said “since it passed”. Where you against it when Obama had several plans in the work? Did you say he would fail from the get go, and say you couldn’t wait for them to realize how much of hypocrite they were and they couldn’t fix it? Because you did with Trump buddy boy. Reading comprehension! Oh my, I had to do it! Either reading comprehension or wilful ignorance, take your pick. Which just occurred? You acted like an idiot or a sleazeball boy?
“However, I do not recall anyone from the right willing to give President Obama a chance in 2008,”
You already applied your shift. No. We didn’t give an opportunity for a mandate and bad plan to go through (or the public option), when we were aware of the plan. It was rightly fought, it should have been. We should not have just laid down and passed whatever Obama said. We don’t have to allow any plan, they all should be criticized right? False equivalency and the only hypocrite here is you.
“even though he received more total votes, electoral college votes and a much higher percentage of the total vote. That, sir, is hypocrisy.”
No. It’s not, and the above is irrelevant. He passed on ideals, not plans, each of his plans get weighed on their own. The issue here is your crap. Not mine.
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Bob,
This is the easiest one to debunk yet.
I have been against the PPACA since it passed.”
Also, please. You haven’t debunked jack kid.
You act like there’s this laundry list of things I’ve been proven wrong regarding.
However…If we go back to healthcare plans, when I told you about the ones with the credits, you didn’t even know they existed, recently you were also not aware of the children on the plans and the preventative services included as well as pre existing conditions until I came in and pointed it out. Now, you’re saying that those costs will of course cause explosions. You keep moving the target Ron, whatever it takes to be able to insult republicans. At what point will you call one of their plans a good idea?
Given you don’t know much about them, I’m thinking you can’t. Literally. If you did, it would be without the knowledge to back it up. I just referenced Price’s last week along with some areas I liked.
Why don’t you list something you like about a republican plan, considering how much you know about and speak about it?
Ron, you seemed to forget that when you came out against Obamacare after you realized it would be a disaster, you promptly said that you favored Universal Government Insurance which would have been even a greater disaster. You have a very selective memory and are just putting in your liberal talking points. Sorry, I can’t let you get away with that, “lemming”.
Agent,
What did I post that makes you think I have forgotten my original position?
More importantly, I am not for Universal Government Insurance. I do not want the government to provide or even administer health care. I just want them to be a pass-through for premiums.
If you are going to comment regarding what I have advocated, at least be accurate.
Ron,
While I am a dick to you I do have to be fair to you here.
You’ve done a well enough job of being against Obamacare since it passed. That’s not my issue here.
For agent I think he is going a bit far. Yes. You clearly supported a public option. And that is your right. If you advocate that, that is your right to say you advocate it.
What I do not support is the fact that you claim you have been fair to both presidents. I think you have essentially criticized plans you don’t understand and by the evidence knew not a whole lot about, with the republican party, and now you are preemptively saying negative things about Trump’s and I don’t find that ok. You would not have gone after plans before on the drawing plan. For Obama republicans actually criticized the plan. That is why it is not the same, and your weakness of false equivalency calls them both the same for being against plans. The why however, is important.
If you were for example to start a debate on a public option, I would agree with your stance. Solely public I wouldn’t, but I wouldn’t insult you for it. And that’s the right way of doing it. However, if you instead insulted a plan before it was drawn out, I might then insult you as I am now. If democrats put up a public option, (And they did suggest it but not in a formal plan) I would support it. Where do you think my idea of a public option came from? It’s an element Paul Ryan and I disagree on. He spoke publicly about it saying that if we allow an option, people in the middle class and with low cost insurance will flood the option and then private insurance companies will phase out.
You aren’t abnormal for believing that as Agent implies. I can’t be unfair there. It’s not in my blood to do so.
Take this comment as you will. I guess it’s a compliment.
Bob,
Fair enough, but I need to clarify my position a little better.
I have both criticized President Obama and applauded President-elect Trump where I saw fit. What more do you want me to do?
Please quote me where I criticized the Republican plan. How can I when they have not presented their plan?
My criticism has been that they do not actually have a plan, only ideas and talking points. That has been proven by the fact that even they are saying they do not have a plan.
The closest thing to criticism that I have made is how to regulate health care insurance policies sold across state lines that does not require federal government intervention. By the way, nobody has been able to answer. The closest I have heard is for the NAIC to create model legislation that would need to accepted by all states, which could have be done years ago.
“Bob,
Fair enough, but I need to clarify my position a little better.
I have both criticized President Obama and applauded President-elect Trump where I saw fit. What more do you want me to do?”
Stick to plans. You have definitely said lately that if and when republicans pass a plan without a mandate that costs would sky rocket.
“Please quote me where I criticized the Republican plan. How can I when they have not presented their plan?”
Exactly. How can you? But recently you did. You said if and when they made a plan covering pre existing conditions and the high cost services, you couldn’t wait to see the premiums sky rocket. It was you essentially calling them hypocrites on the matter before they had a plan out.
“My criticism has been that they do not actually have a plan, only ideas and talking points. That has been proven by the fact that even they are saying they do not have a plan.”
They have had a plan. Right now they are saying they don’t know Trump’s plan and are working on a new one. That does not provide evidence they never had them. Are you really back to them not having plans? There have been 4. Do I have to quote them again? These were not ideas and talking points, one of the four was in 2009 and was rated by the CBO. I’ve quoted these many times. How can we possibly be back to you saying there have been no plans? I just quoted Tom Price’s last week. How in the world do you miss these things? This is exactly my problem. You are looking for the hypocrisy and not the plans. You haven’t seen these plans. I know it for certain. Instead of blaming the republicans for going through standard process (which means you have to search government sites for these plans since the media isn’t reporting on it) and then saying if they had a credible plan the media would report (no they wouldn’t, if the media was biased) why don’t you admit the media is biased, the plans exist, and get scared as you should?
“The closest thing to criticism that I have made is how to regulate health care insurance policies sold across state lines that does not require federal government intervention. By the way, nobody has been able to answer. The closest I have heard is for the NAIC to create model legislation that would need to accepted by all states, which could have be done years ago.”
Ok. Anyone here, or anyone in politics? Because Price’s plan directs this, and I just quoted it last week.
Bob: “Until two weeks ago, I did not know this, so I know for a fact you don’t.”
Bob logic = if Bob doesn’t know about something, nobody else could have known about it either.
Ron “Please quote me where I criticized the Republican plan…”
Bob “You said…[no quote or link]”
Bob logic = if someone asks Bob to source quote what he is claiming someone said, he doesn’t have to provide a quote.
Bob “The difference was minimal in votes. There was no real statistical difference between Trump and Obama.”
Obama 2008 (popular) – 69,498,516 % 131,313,820 = 52.93%
Obama 2012 (popular) – 65,915,795 % 129,085,409 = 51.06%
Trump 2016 (popular) 62,979,879 % 137,053,916 = 45.95%
Bob logic (popular) – someone receiving less than half of the popular vote compared to someone receiving more than half of the popular vote is not statistically significant even though there’s a 5 percentage point variance.
Obama 2008 (electoral) 365 % 538 = 67.84%
Obama 2012 (electoral) 332 % 538 = 61.71%
Trump 2016 (electoral) 304 % 538 = 56.5%
Bob logic = a variance of 5 percentage points (vs 2012) and 10 percentage points (2008) is not statistically significant.
Really kid? 56.5% vs 67.84% is not statistically significant? You MUST be exaggerating for effect and you don’t actually believe that, right?
Bob,
“Stick to plans. You have definitely said lately that if and when republicans pass a plan without a mandate that costs would sky rocket.” This is criticizing a concept that any qualified actuary would agree, assuming no exclusions for pre-existing conditions and no lifetime caps.
So, they have 4 plans? That reminds of the old adage in football, “If you 2 QBs, then you have none”.
Candidate and President-elect Trump promised repeal on day 1 and a replacement on day 2. Was he lying or just naive and/or uneducated? There is no other option.
“Ok. Anyone here, or anyone in politics? Because Price’s plan directs this, and I just quoted it last week.”
I may have missed it. Please provide.
>Bob logic = if Bob doesn’t know about something, nobody else could have known about it either.
Exactly. Denies everything, and then looks into the thing that supports his claim, and pretends to be an expert and lectures everybody on it.
What actu, you think because you read the Federalist Papers and de Tocqueville you know more than someone who had never looked into it before 2 weeks ago and read an article on Forbes and an article on Breitbart?
“All I know is what’s on the internet.”
Why would we leave the country since Herr Fuhrer Drumph will be in office less than a year?
So the father of our nastiest poster is weighing in now. I can see where his attitude came from.
Now I know Retired UW is Agent’s dad. Thanks for letting us know your family history, Agent.
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*as head of Washington D.K. (District of Kremlin)
censorship
Retired,
Yes, I have heard the impeachment rumors already as well. Not sure we want to be stuck with Pence, though. I’d rather have the hooker monger’s grandson ahead of Washington D.K. (District of Kremlin).
Republicans – heroically do everything they can to make sure you’re born, but after that, they hope you die.
Hey Agent…. How doing? Whats your predictions for the up coming game against the Pack?
Not a Packer fan myself, but they looked real good yesterday.
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They will need to get to Rodgers. Cant expect the secondary to hold up as long as he gets. Then just grind away with Ezekiel and keep Aaron off the field.
Easier said then done, but that should be the magical formula.
Never been much of a Cowboy Fan – Emmit Smith ran me over year after year in Fantasy – but my second fav team is whom ever is playing the Packers.
I love Troy as the Color Man in the booth. Lets see if he can keep himself from bragging about the C Boys.
Good analysis FFA. Yes, the Cowboys need to get to Rogers, make him throw before he wants to, keep him on the sideline as much as possible and grind away with time consuming drives like Dak and Ezekiel have been able to do. Should be a good game to watch since the elements will not be a factor. Dallas has the horses, but they will need to play very well to win. By the way, if Troy is broadcasting, he has shown a tendency to be a little harder on the Cowboys, not softer because he was a player there. Hope the officiating is better, the Lions got some very bad calls against them in their game.
They should have been flagged on the Nelson hit. He got two broken ribs out of that and just got released from the hospital. Big fine needs to be coming at him.
Seattle has some real thugs playing for them. How does a defensive ( Detroit) back have coverage, turns his head to watch the ball, have the receiver jump on his back, grab the defenders face mask and twist his head around while catching the ball with the other hand. The officials called interference on the defensive back and he did nothing but go for the ball. Offensive interference should have been it with a 15 yard penalty. The officials admitted they blew that call, but the game was over by then.
When you’re slammed mid air you tend to grab out of instinct, and his football instincts simultaneously grabbed for the ball.
The person was also engaging in pass interference I might add.
This should not have been called as a penalty. If however he intentionally grabbed someones mask to pull them out of the way, while he wasn’t mid air, it might be a different story.
I’m not that into sports but the people ratting on the Seahawks on this one are out of line.
Though I agree, a lot of them are thugs.
The NFL got rid of the incidental 5 yard face mask penalty years ago. The rule now is a 15 yard penalty if you grab the face mask and it doesn’t matter if you did it by accident or on purpose.
“The NFL got rid of the incidental 5 yard face mask penalty years ago. The rule now is a 15 yard penalty if you grab the face mask and it doesn’t matter if you did it by accident or on purpose.”
I don’t care. Then the NFL is wrong. How about if the guy fell on the person’s arm and he was bracing himself for the fall and it happened incidentally?
I believe you are wrong by the way, because there is no way the NFL would go that route for exactly the reason I just said.
If you grab someone while falling, there is simply no way they would give a penalty.
This is similar to the leap when the guy’s feet touched the other guy. Jumping off of someone is an illegal move, incidentally tapping is not, and with good reason. Let’s say you jump to the touchdown, and another guy jumps just behind you, and you end up landing on top of him. Your feet made contact during the fall, even though you did NOT jump over him, he jumped under you as you leapt into the touchdown. Would we then issue a penalty? No.
Or if someone literally did the same thing, and slammed his helmet into your hand, and while trying to clear your hand from it (you know, not to get a broken hand when he lands on it) as falling you naturally pushed it away?
Should that be a penalty?
While he was going down from pass interference he reached for the ball, and as he went down he was bracing for impact. That’s all. That grab of the helmet was nothing.
“I believe you are wrong by the way, because there is no way the NFL would go that route for exactly the reason I just said.”
You believe incorrectly. Check the rule book. Intentional or not, facemasking is a 15 yard penalty. 5 yard penalty for incidental facemasking no longer exists.
Note: facemasking constitutes fingers wrapping around the facemask. Your “fall on someone’s arm” is not someone wrapping their fingers around another’s face mask.
“…falling you naturally pushed it away? Should that be a penalty?”
No. PUSHING the helmet is legal unless you’re a lineman (illegal hands to the face.) Your scenario is similar to a RB stiff-arming a defender = legal. It’s GRABBING the FACEMASK by wrapping your FINGERS around the cage that’s a 15 yard penalty regardless of intention.
And there is only one scenario where it is illegal to leap over someone for hitting them on the way: when the kicking unit is out on the field.
You can jump over people as a RB/WR and step on their helmet on the way and it’s legal. Do that to a center when he’s long snapping the ball for a FG/punt; that’s a penalty.
Would you like to talk about the infield fly rule in MLB, the no-touch icing stoppage in the NHL, the two-way NBA/NBADL contracts next, or shall we continue to talk about your lack of knowledge of NFL rules?
clarification: *RB stiff-arming a defender with the RB using his open hand to push against the defender’s facemask = legal.
As I said, if the NFL has a rule on that then the NFL is wrong and was pressured to do so.
I also said I don’t know much on this, but in terms of concept, if you’re tackled and catch a ball one handed and get a touch down, some incidental touching of a face mask being a penalty should not be a thing, unless you are an ahole who wants to invalidate a perfectly skilled catch through a rule book.
This reminds me of most democrat politicians in terms of regulations of fees. When push comes to shove, just say it’s wrong because.
Why is that Illegal?
Because.
Why should they have a penalty?
Because, reasons.
In what scenario did he cheat or gain an advantage as he had someone engage in pass interference, in his face, and held on to him as he fell? So if he held on to his body vs his mask, would it have altered the outcome? Are you trying to say this gave him an unfair advantage?
Or, are you saying like a democrat politician moron: BECAUSE REASONS!!! GODDDDD!!!!
Admitted clueless person pretending to be an expert alert.
“Old Man Trump” by Woody Guthrie is a far superior song, and more relevant for today.
http://nation.foxnews.com/2017/01/06/watch-paul-ryan-busts-out-laughing-democrats-protest-trump-s-election-certification
That’s not relevant to what I posted, I think you posted to the wrong comment again. Or, you are an idiot who posts the same crap for days at a time with no regard for content, aka a spambot too stupid to code a bot.
http://nation.foxnews.com/2017/01/06/watch-paul-ryan-busts-out-laughing-democrats-protest-trump-s-election-certification
LOL at Troll-Baiter Libitterals who are no longer being paid by George Sore-ass.
UW; just for you….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ6N5m8FpVg
Weirdo loser.
Bob, there is no doubt that the games so far feature a lot of bad calls and these guys are supposed to be the cream of the crop on officiating. Look, if a player gets his hands into another players face mask, twists the guys head around while going for the ball, that is an aggregious foul and it should be an automatic 15 yard penalty, end of story.
Lot’s of bad calls in the past few years. In 2014, the Cowboys were playing the Pack in the playoffs. Dez Bryant made a catch close to the sidelines, took three full steps with the ball in his possession, tried to stretch it to the goal line, ball came down on the line and it popped out. After review, they took the catch away from Dallas. If a player has possession, the ground cannot cause a fumble. Also, he was making a football move trying to score. One of the worst calls of recent years and a real home town call.
Keep in mind, this law has already wasted billion of taxpayer dollars on things like failed websites, failed state exchanges, subsidies to insurance companies and higher rates to the entire system. The reason why some politicians like this much control and the more control they have, the more power they have. Do they care that this money has been wasted? Of course not, but taxpayers do care because its our money and we are not going to let someone take us for a scam (which is really what the ACA is). Are there good things in the ACA? Of course, coverage for all, subsidizing the those who can’t afford it and guaranteed issue. However we need a more responsible version of each of these. We need to have strict checks and control on those we subsidize to make sure they are not abusing the system. Also if they want guaranteed issue, they must have prior coverage because shot of that, they are abusing the system. Let’s not pretend that something that was done purely for control and power is a good thing, it’s not. Also we don’t need government employees running this or exchanges, the private system can do it fine with responsible regulations in place.
How about repeal and don’t replace.
Don’t give the federal government more control and power over your lives. I know it’s a hard concept for some to fathom, but the more power the government has the less free you are.
Yes, very soon far more people will have the freedom to go bankrupt if they get sick, or die because they couldn’t afford preventative care.
Preventative care can easily be handled by a good HSA and leave the serious stuff to insurance, hopefully with smaller deductibles and lower total out of pocket. We also don’t need 60 year olds to have abortion or mandatory birth control. Out with the mandates, in with coverage that makes sense and gives freedom of choice.
Fuck, there is truly no topic you have even an elementary education on. Women over 60 having abortions is a major problem when the chance of getting pregnant after age 40 without medical help is like 5% at best.
Even in fiction you could not create a less-informed person if you tried.
Probably not as many as there re now due to the high deds & Co Pays.
I wonder how many people will be able to keep their docs?
Freedom does come with a high price tag. The price is personal responsibility. It’s sad that so many don’t want to pay the price.
Preventative care is a part of the republican plans.
Try again.
Your alternative, free care, harms everyone.
Yes.
More than one plan proposal has the govt setting out model bills for the NAIC to push forward. Other bills will go directly to state or federal legislatures to act on, to clear the path for PRIVATE insurers to create solutions and take advantage of a new, more open, regulatory environment created by the ‘replace’ aspect of the Republican solution to the ACA mess.
Happy New Year TrumPolar! 10 days for emancipation from Progressives. A friend sent me the following which is very clever and funny.
Very Trump Christmas
Twas the night before Christmas and up in the tower, the Donald reflected on his newfound power. The Conservative masses had come out in force, and delivered a victory that would chart a new course.
The snowflakes were shell shocked with tears in their eyes, the media lied to them…what a surprise. They were promised a Hillary win, but the criminal Clinton took it on the chin.
And though from all corners, celebrities flew, they made no impression, for they hadn’t a clue. They talked about Climate, Racism, and such and they made up good stories… but didn’t know much
The fake news and ignorance came at a cost, and they can’t understand all the reasons they lost. They blame it on Comey and Bernie and Vlad, but fail to acknowledge the one that was bad.
Yes, Hillary Clinton, in many ways flawed, was her own biggest hurdle toward getting the nod. The campaign exposed her corruptness and greed, and her speeches were punch-less as ten dollar weed.
So out in the streets there arose such a clatter, it was Soros paid protestors and Black Lives Matter. With cities to pillage and windows to smash, they knew not the issues, but needed the cash.
Eight years of Obama had given them cause, to expect a replacement of their Santa Clause. But soon the protestors will feel the pain, when the wheels fall off of the gravy train.
And now all the snowflakes are riddled with fear, upset and offended by things they will hear. The cocoa and crayons will help for a while, but fact based opinions will soon cramp their style.
I originally supported, and voted for Cruz, in the end, I would vote for whoever they choose. He wasn’t my first choice, but soon I would cede, the one they call Trump is the one that we need.
I saw him on TV in front of a crowd, he spoke about veterans, it made me feel proud. He spoke about energy, safety and jobs, taking the country back from the elitist snobs.
His eyes glowed like embers, his smile was the best and his hair the color of my hunting vest.
His love for this country was on full display, and his actions spoke louder than his words could say.
He thanked all his voters, and before he was gone, saved thousands of jobs while Obama looked on. The fate of this country left nothing to chance, so he filled his cabinet weeks in advance.
The men he had chosen were of the same mind, let’s set the bar high and not lead from behind. He picked up his phone and with a flick of his finger, he sent out this tweet. Now Mattis, now Kelly, now Sessions and Pruitt. On Perry, on Flynn. You are the ones who can do it. Start lifting restrictions and building the wall, dash away, dash away, dash away all.
Then, he jumped in his limo, and off to his jet, a fellow that Liberals won’t soon forget. He sent one more tweet as the evening expired: Merry Christmas to all, and Obama – YOU’RE FIRED!
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Confused, everyone can see why Bob disowned you and no longer tries to advise you on your attitude. Your post looks to me like you are high on something. Is this the best you got? How sad!
You don’t deserve my best Agent. At least not until you show me that you’re a man of your word and send me my crayons and coloring book. Happy Holidays!
Hmmm, how was Obama fired when he served his full 2 terms and then RETIRED from the office? Once again, Agent peddling a false narrative. All I had to do was read the last stanza, I didn’t even read anything else. You are precious, Agent. Keep being you!
Agent,
I wrote this for you.
Packed in the manor voices spoke of a man
with the skin of a carrot and child like hands
he promised retribution for all they had lost
but failed to mention you will only rise if you are already on top
capitalist cronies and phonies alike
now creep from the caves and embrace the limelight
albeit true that not even YOU are with them
chances are you’ll probably vote their way again
because Russian corruption has dug its root deep
and those who once spoke conservative now “bah” like a sheep
=)
Tolerance, would you have preferred the leather face thug Hilliary as your new President? 4 to 8 years of the continuation of the Obama legacy and policies? She represented all the worst qualities of Progressives. We have a new day dawning in 10 short days. You are going to be amazed at the transformation away from liberal Progressives.
…. then one cloudy day there arose such a clatter,
Meh’lania, startled, cried “Oh, what’s the matter!”
And there she saw Donald, all shaking and pale,
a puddle of puke on the floor with the mail,
and clenched in his fat fingered vulgarian paw,
a video titled “PeePee in the Raw.” ….. to be continued ;)
Yes, the affordable care act needs to be replaced with something better as soon as possible. The law was neither affordable or caring, though naively had good intentions. However, it must be done carefully because the medicine could be worse than the disease. If you have cancer and the doctor says the chemo has made it worse, you would consider the options, rather than just take away the chemo and hope for the best. I just hope that we as a country can put aside poli-ticks and discuss common ground rather than ideology and (worse) just calling everyone names and being negative.
I think if the government, instead of spending money like crazy and trying to fix each and every problem, real or perceived, would instead set policies that foster competition, creativity, entrepreneurialism, rather than restriction, increased costs, me vs. them, we would be much better off. it would not be perfect, it never is. But we would be better off if we had gone that road in the beginning–but we did not, so we need to back out with proper replacements. Not just blow everything up for political reasons. I have a cautious optimism that the current folks will do better than the previous professional politicians.
They have had plenty of time to fix it and they have ignored the issues.
Looks like the cowards are going to have a hard time doing this by their promised day 1,and will try to put it off so they don’t have to face the consequences at the next election.
They have also blocked budget watchdogs from reviewing the cost of the repeal because they don’t want people knowing how much debt it adds or the effects on the country.
That doesn’t even make sense. If they put it off until the next election republicans will break from the party. Historically republicans will abandon someone who doesn’t do what they say.
“Read my lips, no new taxes” ring a bell?
They would not delay it 4 years to avoid Trumps next election, and they would not delay it 2 either.
You’re just making crap up, whatever you can. And then when they do push it through you will call it rushed crap and that they are belligerent. Whatever fits the narrative.
Bob,
I am not necessarily agreeing with UW, but I would not be surprised if the Republicans would be content with repealing the PPACA, then delaying a replacement until 2018 so, when the Democrats take over Congress again, they can put the responsibility on them to come up with a solution. When they do not come up with an agreement with President Trump, he will blame them as his re-election platform. Then we can start this whole mess again in 2020.
If I am end up being wrong, I will be happy to admit it.
Exactly Ron. They want to repeal it with a delay. This would be okay if they were doing it to put in effect a new policy instead of to delay the effects being pinned to them.
UW:
Incorrect. When they pass it before 2018 are you going to say you knew they would ram it through?
I’ll wait for it.
Nope. This would destroy them. Also, conspiracy theory much?
Extend coverage a year, of the ACA which isn’t popular, and just randomly put in place a new plan then with no changes?
If the ACA did fail, or have issues, that would be the ACA and the democrats would rightly bear the blame.
They wouldn’t rely on the democrats to come up with a solution and reject them all. That’s what Obama did. The republicans had many by the way.
There is no scenario in which delaying anything helps them.
Bob, I am going to take McConnell’s and Ryan’s word over any liberal politicians. They have a job to do and things are going to change for the better.
Bob, I might add that I have a good movie to watch tonight rather than see the outgoing Socialist who is going to be on the networks tonight with his “farewell” speech. Ron will be in rapture, the rest of the nation, not so much.
When I heard an excerpt of the too long goodbye by BHO this morning, a tear came to my eye… because we have to endure another 9 days of him.
TrumPresident should offer BHO an early leave, promising to take over his duties for the last 9 days of his term.
Let’s see, what does Patticake call that kind of attitude, Comrade Yogi? Oh yeah, whiny cry baby snowflake. Suck it up and quit being one.
Only 8 days until that happens!
I’m guessing your movie didn’t star Meryl Streep. You probably thought she was a great actress until just recently.
It was an excellent speech and I was able to also watch a good movie afterward. I don’t understand the lack of the ability to multi-task or do more than one thing. It’s odd to me when I hear a conservative argument that suggests we can’t both battle things like mental illness and sensible gun control simultaneously . It’s not like we have to do one or the other. We can do both. Here’s another of my favorites, the “whataboutism” that exists in today’s Republican Party. And, my example above and whataboutism often go hand-in-hand. My favorite right now is Streep taking time to point out the buffoon who is Golden Shower Boy Drumpf mocking a disabled person. And the conservative whataboutists are saying, “Oh yeah, well, what about the four African Americans who tortured a mentally ill person?” WHAT???? Quit deflecting. They are caught and going away for a long time. The Russian-Elect is going to The Oval. And yes, if you ask Ms. Streep, I’m certain she’d tell you it is awful what happened to that poor boy and it is a hate crime. And I will say it as well. What disgusting human beings all four of them are. Lock them up for good.
Planet, we know you are battling Mental Illness. Every post you make confirms it.
Watching the local NBC news last night, he got less then 30 seconds of coverage simply stating he bash Trump, tooted his own horn about his accomplishments -which they didnt go into – and making a last pitch to save the failed PPACA.
After watching Trump this AM, his pitch seems to have fallen on deaf ears.
Most impressively, they summed it up in less then 30 seconds. Jordy Nelsons broken ribs got more coverage.
FFA, how about we lighten it up a bit since the rancor from the left is stinking big time? It has to do with Chicago and football. Title is – The Jewish Quarterback
The coach had put together the perfect team for the Chicago Bears. The only thing missing was a good quarterback. The team had scouted all the colleges, the Canadian League, European Leagues, but he couldn’t find a ringer who could insure a Super Bowl win.
Then, one night while watching Fox News, he saw a war zone scene on the West Bank. He spotted a young Israeli soldier with an incredible arm. He threw a hand grenade straight into a 10th story window 100 yards away. Kaboom!
He threw another grenade 75 yards away into a chimney. Kaboom!
The coach said – I’ve got to get that guy. He has the perfect arm. So he brings him to the states, teaches him the game of football and the Bears go on to win the Super Bowl. The coach asked him what he wants. The young man said all I want to do is call my mother.
Mom, he says in the phone, I just won the Super Bowl! The mother said, I don’t want to talk to you, you are not my son. The son says, I don’t think you understand mother. I’ve just won the greatest sporting event in the world.
No, let me tell you his mother retorts, at this very moment, there are gunshots all around us, the neighborhood is a pile of rubble, your two brothers were beaten within an inch of their lives and I have to keep your sister in the house so she doesn’t get raped. The old lady pauses, and then tearfully says, I WILL NEVER FORGIVE YOU FOR MAKING US MOVE TO CHICAGO AKA CHIRAQ.
I’m still waiting for you to lighten things up.
Thats a good one…
Just got off the phone with one of my Chicago Clients. He stated he feels it necessary to get the C & C as when he has to go to certain areas in Chicago, hes just not safe.
FFA, Newt Gingrich has a good line when interviewed. He said that Obama’s legacy will be so small when all of his programs are diminished or gotten rid of, one will need a microscope to find them.
Same microscope they are using to look for Li’l Donnie?
when is IJ going to revise these comment boards to add an ‘ignore’ feature?
When the IJ adds an ignore button, I’ll bet all the libitterals use it on me.
Of course, that’s just me bragging. I think other conservatives, libertarians, librarians, and polarbearians on this board will be nearly as greatly ignored by the libitterals.
9 days until OUR LONG NATIONAL NIGHTMARE ends.
…and The Russian Dream begins.
Drago! Drago! Drago!
CNN just had their lunch money taken away from them.
NBCBuzzFeces also got trashed, and rightly so.
PresidenTrump is using them as a ‘warm up’ sparring partner for ISIS and other Islamic Terrorist organizations.
He’ll need the practice, he’s inspired a lot of recruiting and homegrown radicalism.
Despite the story being proven false, libitterals like CapTroll PlaneTroll will continue to repeat recent lies about TrumPresident that were spread by NBCBuzzardFeces and Clinton News Network (CNN).
Given his incest-curious, teenage naked girl ogling, sexually assaulting past, there is no sex act I’ll put past this sick SOB. I have 3 daughters, this is the type of guy I warn them against. This is the type of guy I protect them against.
You must have gotten that ‘info’ from either BuzzardFeces or Corrupt News Network.
RIP to both of those liberal Main Stream Media outlets!
I see you don’t believe in the First Amendment. So, just like a typical conservative, do you pick and choose the pieces of The Constitution you like?
No, I believe in the 1st Amendment, but I also believe in choice and consequences of those choices.
American TV viewers have a choice as to what news they watch.
Media outlets have a choice as to what reports they will make. And they will incur consequences, good or bad, for those actions, as a result of the free will of viewers to view what they please.
I’m glad to explain that for you, seeing that you intentionally misinterpreted what I said or implied.
Relying on Buzzfeed’s story to call out CNN for their reporting on the same topic shows a terrible lack of knowledge about the differences between their articles.
You are correct…. when you refer to your screen name.
Did you actually read the articles you’re railing against, or did you just read the Republican talking point document?
The story has certainly not been proven false, you are mistaken, or more likely lying, as always. I have my doubts about the sex allegations, although he is a known proven cheating pervert, and sexual predator, and I agree with Planet.
The info we actually have against Russia is much more disturbing as is the info being hinted at by people in the intelligence committees. Trump again lied in his press conference about his Russian, Chinese and foreign debts.
He had been briefed on the Russian hacks and called on Russia to hack Clinton’s emails. This is disgusting and illegal. If his campaign is proven to have links to Russia, as hinted at by intelligence committee members, McCain, the intelligence community and the FBI, it is treasonous behavior.
Keep repeating to yourself “It’s only a dream. I’ll wake up and HRC will be taking the oath of office in a few days. It’s only a dream….” That will give you solace in your time of grief and denial.
Another case where all you can do is post a lie and then spam your BS. You at so intellectually deficient you can’t debate, only lie, cry, and misquote.
When people complain about people saying conservatives are uneducated and uneducated they should think about you and stop complaining. Lie about your degrees now.
Polarmoron has been doing this a lot lately. The only thing he can do is post spam. A true idiot.
In the spirit of the morning cartoons that are typically talked about out here, I have a middle school joke for you, Comrade Agent and Comrade Yogi.
Does the President-Elect know the difference between a chickpea and a garbanzo bean?
Well, he’s never had a garbanzo bean on his face.
Did you just “Carlos Mencia” that joke from Jimmy Carr? “I’ve never paid $200 for a lentil on my face” was his punchline in his recent Netflix special.
No, I stole it from Stephanie Miller.
Well, she could’ve made that joke before I heard Jimmy Carr’s version. Fair enough. I was just trying to give credit to who I thought wrote the joke, but I certainly could be wrong about its origins.
How about a simple question for the dazed Confused and Planetorium?
Why do we drive on Parkways and park on Driveways? Let that sink in.
Coda:
Q: What’s the difference between a vitamin and a hormone?
A: You can’t make a vita min.
*slow clap*
nice one!
A 20+ year old George Carlin joke? Do you have any original material, Agent?
I was impressed that he went with such a contemporary. I would have expected him to drop a Henny Youngman joke on us.
Whats wrong with George Carlin? Check out his 7 words you cant say on tv and see how many are now said.
The end of ACA is near.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/01/11/senate-begins-obamacare-repeal-process-all-night-voting-marathon/96447956/
Put on a pot of coffee and let’s get ready to rumbl… repeal!
Great – the ACA has been a super-duper failure. I can’t wait until we hear about the replacement plan. When do you think that’ll be, Yogi? A couple days after they officially repeal Obamacare (as Trump stated the other day) or in Q2 2017, or 2018, or even later than that?
HEALTH CARE SPECIFICCS – details soon.
But, for now, read “A Better Way” by Paul Ryan, R-WI, Speaker of the House, and Rand Paul’s plan… goo gul it.
“soon” – is a relative term. Can you define that at all? “Soon” from our sun’s perspective is millions of years. “Soon” from a mayflies perspective is less than 24 hours. What does YOUR definition of “soon” mean in measurable quantities?
Confused,
He has been proven to be a false prophet on this topic. He knows less about if/when a Republican replacement plan will come out than my sandwich.
This topic? Don’t stop there, Ron.
First three letters:
Health Expense Accounts.
Want to know the rest of the SPECIFICCS (sic)? Too bad. You’ve been much too rude. You’ll just have to wait for Ryan to reveal the plan accepted by the committee.
Eight days until OUR LONG NATIONAL NIGHTMARE ends.
…and The Russian Dream begins!
Drago! Drago! Drago!
No, Hillary’s nightmare ends, but Trump’s just begins. Look for more “golden leaks” the more Comrade Donnie Two Times disparages the U.S. Intelligence agencies.
How Ironic is it that the GOP Congress would not work the past 8 years but now works overtime to strip Americans of basic health care. Sad!