“Gov. Jon Corzine signed the measure, known as “Kyleigh’s Law,” on Wednesday. It’s named for Kyleigh D’Alessio of Long Valley, a 16-year-old honor student killed in a December 2006 crash.”
so why did they truly name it after this kid? what made it so special that they had to create a law? as a driver, it should not matter whom is driving the other vehicle. we need to be defensive drivers at all times. we should not need a symbol to identify youth’s. what if the kid was driving me home after his team just won a baseball game? what if the kid was at a youth retreat and coming home? like the other article, it makes them a target for more than one reason. i agree. here’s the thing as well, if that vehicle is my primary vehicle to work and i have that symbol on it, how are other folks thinking about that vehicle in front of him? are we later going to have a removal symbol on a vehicle? when that child becomes older of leaves the household, are we going to get dmv to pay to get that tag removed? um..um.. i think it’s going overboard.
I think the new law is a bit silly, but the attorney’s argument that “sex offenders” will now be able to easily identify and victimize teens is just as silly. Sounds like he’s just looking to make a name for himself.
Next is a required display of religious and political affiliation. Remember when Jewish business owners where required to display the Star of David on their store fronts? Is this the road we are willing to travel in the name of safety?
You need only look at Corzine to realize he isn’t a real governor. He can’t even comb his hair. He has time to futz around with nonsense like this while the state wallows in deficits and boasts the highest auto insurance rates, property taxes, and murders in the country. Brilliant.
The law is totally silly. It illustrates why Gov’t should stay out. They creat a law to solve a problem, and the law they create ends up creating more problems. The state and local police can crack the whip, using existing laws, and accomplish whatever they need to accomplish.
Why is the lawyers argument silly? The Dateline NBC predator investigations are proof that these sex offenders that go after teens are desperate to hook up with a teen hotty. They will go into a situation even knowing that it’s 90% likely to be a sting; gambling on the 10% chance they are going to get lucky. The first time an offender gets a hold of someone because of this law, the Governor will have a serious problem.
It’s easy for politicians to pass laws that don’t affect them. It’s all about public image and votes.
Anybody who thinks this idea is bad, wrong, immoral etc is just a fatheaded brainless twit, more concerned about preserving personal liberties than a few lives.
This law would affect both of my NJ teens and I say – MORE POWER TO IT. I know – from having driven with them – that they frequently get honked at, not because they’re good looking or above average, but because they’ve been taught to drive defensively. Something the regular driver in NJ (including me) has completely forgotten about.
NJ is the worst place in the world to learn how to drive, with the highest density of drivers anywhere in the USA.
I think it highly likely that my children – anyone’s children – will be treated with a little more deference or courtesy as they refrain from driving like idiots.
If NJ drivers can be forced into yielding to pedestrians (instead of aiming for them) at least in crosswalks (anywhere else is still fair game) then anything is possible.
I’ve lived in England and travelled elsewhere (admittedly with fewer drivers) and can state that the system works. And they have much better crosswalks than we do.
The issue here is that the police do not enforce the laws that already exist. NJ already has graduated driver’s license, with significant limitations on # of passengers that are not family. Yet, sit out front of any high school at 2:30 on a weekday, and watch the cars driven by teens pulling out of the lot with 3, 4 or 5 other teen passengers. Then notice the policeman sitting in his cruiser a block or two away, doing nothing.
Same thing at the bowling alley, diner, or any other hang out.
I have a teen driver, and have 2 more coming up soon. So I’ll need a sticker on all my cars. I can’t limit them to only taking one vehicle. I can see myself getting pulled over coming home late from work one night.
This isn’t about civil liberties. It’s about enforcing the law that’s already there, instead of another costly government feel good, get good press moment.
“Anybody who thinks this idea is bad, wrong, immoral etc is just a fatheaded brainless twit, more concerned about preserving personal liberties than a few lives.”
This wonderfully constructed argument and brilliant grammar truly needs no rebuttal.
But your stupidity deserves an answer. The answer is yes, many of us consider liberty worth a few lives. Despite your attempt at hyperbole, there is no evidence that any lives would be saved.
By the way, you could really benefit from learning a little basic logic. I sincerely hope I am never driving near you; I am not certain you could even read and interpret the traffic signs.
“Anybody who thinks this idea is bad, wrong, immoral etc is just a fatheaded brainless twit, more concerned about preserving personal liberties than a few lives.”
WOW, this could be the scariest sentence I have seen or heard in any forum in a long, long time.
Given such a strong, uncompromising statement, it appears you are willing to sacrifice all vestiges of freedom (aka personal liberties) in the name of safety. If you have read any history, you would know that this path guarantees the loss of all freedoms and does nothing to preserve safety.
This law is wrong on both fronts. It violates basic human rights and the chances of it actually saving any lives is very, very remote. If anything, I would expect the opposite given your comments regarding New Jersey drivers.
Lets take it a step further. Elderly drivers have more accidents than teens after a certain age so let make them have sickers say after age 65. Oh and lets make people with more than 3 tickets have sickers. Just enforce the laws we already have.
Why does everyone in government treat the symptoms and not the cause? Want to make a positive impact? Make a consequence severe enough to get their attention. ANY moving violation or at fault accident should result in a one year suspension, mandatory driver training, and a 3 year surcharge on the parents policy. If we’re unwilling to get serious about this, we should all just shut up and live with it.
How in the world does NJ deal with newly licensed drivers that are NOT teens?
Aren’t they just as likely to become involved in an accident due to their inexperience?
Agreed. We do have laws in force to take care of these issues and there’s nothing more ridiculous than “passing a law to enforce an already existing law”. While it seems rational on paper and in the boardrooms, it makes no sense to place a sticker on a teen’s car just to notify the world that they are a teen driver. I believe they take care of that themselves with loud music, texting, etc.
What did I do, drive into a herd of buffalo? Or a bunch of ambulance chasers?
I could have softened my opening remark a little by eliminating the hyperbole – but I would still make the point that the concept of identifying a beginner driver of ANY age doesn’t paint a bullseye on them.
As to the application of this or any other law or rather its enforcement, I concur that the police do not evenly assess or recognize infractions of current statutes. No question. I wouldn’t know why and I don’t really care about that aspect about the proposed law.
I just simply think that something could be done – in theory – to get drivers in NJ to behave a little better.
But then again I remember when people got dressed up to go out, or wore ties to see a ballgame, and still had fun. Maybe I am the problem, in that I think we are capable of changing behavior. So be it.
If we are trying to identify groups that have the most harmful effects on American society, than we should require all politicians, elected or not, to be required to have a large decal placed on their vehicles and on their home(s). Printed on the decal it should say the following:
WARNING, THE OWNER OF THIS VEHICLE (OR HOME) IS A POLITICIAN. POLITICIANS HAVE PROVEN TO BE DECEITFUL, HAVE A HISTORY OF GRAFT & CORRUPTION, WASTE OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO BUY VOTES, AND USUALLY IGNORE THE VERY CONSTITUTION WHICH THEY ARE SWORN TO UPHOLD AND DEFEND. BELIEVING THIS PERSON TO ANY DEGREE CAN AND WILL BE HARMFUL TO YOUR FREEDOM.
Ok, I really like this law. I wish NC would get this decal. And one for DUI offenders. Of course like someone else said it’s not hard to figure out a teen driver, loud music and u can barely see their heads cause they are laying back so far in their seats. But I think this decal would save lives of teens, especially since we now have the no texting or talking on a cell phone by teens.
“Corzine called it an important tool to help police enforce safety restrictions for novice drivers. They include passenger limits and a night driving curfew.”
A couple observations. My parents and my friends parents imposed passenger limits when I was a young driver. For the first 6 months I wasn’t allowed to have anyone in my car. No law was needed there.
Also, I was involved in two accidents as a young driver, neither of which happened at night. Just sayin. No law or sticker would have prevented either one. With the accident that was not my fault, the blame rested with two people who were not teens; the driver who pulled out and creamed me, and the driver who waived the all clear to pull out when it wasn’t all clear.
I see dangerous drivers or unaware drivers every day going to and from work, and most of them are not teen drivers.
I’d be interested in the stats on how many teens are killed in multi car accidents caused by a teen driver.
It seems to me that they are unfairly targeted.
C’mon, if you are going to use NASCAR as en example, at least get it right.
The “Rookie Stripe” isn’t a red spoiler on the car. It is a yellow stripe across the read bumper of the car.
But, regarding the identifying sticker on the rear of a car being driven by a teen driver, I think it’s an invitation for problems. While it would be nice to have something for law enforcement, I think you are creating a real danger for these drivers.
How often will them be target for insurance fraud. Someone pulls in front of them and slams on the breaks hoping to cash in on an inexperienced driver?
While I worked for Allstate many moons ago, the agent I worked for put Allstate signs on his car. He removed them shortly afterwards because people kept trying to get him to run into them.
These kids have enough problems trying to learn how to be responsible, let’s not put a “target” on their vehicles, which will likely only end up costing their parents more in insurance premiums.
Bus drivers are professionals? Most of them around me drive so horrible parents will not let their kids ride on the bus. improper lane usage, tailgating, the list goes on
Here’s an idea: require ALL cars to have a decals that say things like “vehicles move around and can be dangerous. do not stand or cross in front of a moving vehicle. watch for vehicles ahead.watch for vehicles approaching from behind. watch for vehicles turning or entering the roadway. use caution while operating a vehicle. stop for stop signs and red lights. etc, etc, etc, etc”, just like the “danger” stickers we have on ladders, small electric appliances and such….oh, I forgot, having a license is SUPPOSED mean you have already learned and know these things, having studied and passed the test…….right?
i can understand NASCAR, because that car is their’s for the whole season. but if you have a son/dau, and they are going to use your car to go to the store or to the prom, why should it have a perm decal? NASCAR travels at over 150 mph where a simple reaction can cause lots of trouble. these folks are also known as professional drivers.
i used to be a OTR trucker. our rookies did not have a sticker on the trailer because we change trailers almost every other day. again, we are professional drivers, holding a cdl license.
you kids normally don’t have a permanent car. some parents spoil their kids and get a car for the kid. i think kids truly need to be in school and not involved in a work. their is a school bus that we all help pay to get them on the road full of fuel and kids. the bus drivers are professional drivers.
truly we don’t need an extra target for our kids. we do need our parents to be more involved with our kids. that will be the key to solving young drivers.
I just saw this on the news and I am completely disgusted at this law. I have a 19 year old daughter and I would never make her comply with this law for the simple reason that it would compromise her safety and others that may be passengers. The logic that a predator can see there is a teenager in the car and that negates the danger is a bunch of crap! My daughter is not always in the car. Obviously, she is in the car heading from A to B! At some point she gets out of the car. But a rapist or murderer can drive through a parking lot and determine there is a teenager who drives the car, park nearby, and abduct her, and perhaps my nine year old daughter too! People who reside in New Jersey who have teenagers should be very afraid they have just painted a big bullseye on their children. I guess if you want to make it easier for predators to attack your children you are on the right track.
“Gov. Jon Corzine signed the measure, known as “Kyleigh’s Law,” on Wednesday. It’s named for Kyleigh D’Alessio of Long Valley, a 16-year-old honor student killed in a December 2006 crash.”
so why did they truly name it after this kid? what made it so special that they had to create a law? as a driver, it should not matter whom is driving the other vehicle. we need to be defensive drivers at all times. we should not need a symbol to identify youth’s. what if the kid was driving me home after his team just won a baseball game? what if the kid was at a youth retreat and coming home? like the other article, it makes them a target for more than one reason. i agree. here’s the thing as well, if that vehicle is my primary vehicle to work and i have that symbol on it, how are other folks thinking about that vehicle in front of him? are we later going to have a removal symbol on a vehicle? when that child becomes older of leaves the household, are we going to get dmv to pay to get that tag removed? um..um.. i think it’s going overboard.
I think the new law is a bit silly, but the attorney’s argument that “sex offenders” will now be able to easily identify and victimize teens is just as silly. Sounds like he’s just looking to make a name for himself.
What next? People with 3 or more speeding tickets get a special tag too? When does it end?
How about a DUI decal? That would make more sense!
Next is a required display of religious and political affiliation. Remember when Jewish business owners where required to display the Star of David on their store fronts? Is this the road we are willing to travel in the name of safety?
You need only look at Corzine to realize he isn’t a real governor. He can’t even comb his hair. He has time to futz around with nonsense like this while the state wallows in deficits and boasts the highest auto insurance rates, property taxes, and murders in the country. Brilliant.
The law is totally silly. It illustrates why Gov’t should stay out. They creat a law to solve a problem, and the law they create ends up creating more problems. The state and local police can crack the whip, using existing laws, and accomplish whatever they need to accomplish.
Why is the lawyers argument silly? The Dateline NBC predator investigations are proof that these sex offenders that go after teens are desperate to hook up with a teen hotty. They will go into a situation even knowing that it’s 90% likely to be a sting; gambling on the 10% chance they are going to get lucky. The first time an offender gets a hold of someone because of this law, the Governor will have a serious problem.
It’s easy for politicians to pass laws that don’t affect them. It’s all about public image and votes.
Anybody who thinks this idea is bad, wrong, immoral etc is just a fatheaded brainless twit, more concerned about preserving personal liberties than a few lives.
This law would affect both of my NJ teens and I say – MORE POWER TO IT. I know – from having driven with them – that they frequently get honked at, not because they’re good looking or above average, but because they’ve been taught to drive defensively. Something the regular driver in NJ (including me) has completely forgotten about.
NJ is the worst place in the world to learn how to drive, with the highest density of drivers anywhere in the USA.
I think it highly likely that my children – anyone’s children – will be treated with a little more deference or courtesy as they refrain from driving like idiots.
If NJ drivers can be forced into yielding to pedestrians (instead of aiming for them) at least in crosswalks (anywhere else is still fair game) then anything is possible.
I’ve lived in England and travelled elsewhere (admittedly with fewer drivers) and can state that the system works. And they have much better crosswalks than we do.
Just watch out for the sheep.
The issue here is that the police do not enforce the laws that already exist. NJ already has graduated driver’s license, with significant limitations on # of passengers that are not family. Yet, sit out front of any high school at 2:30 on a weekday, and watch the cars driven by teens pulling out of the lot with 3, 4 or 5 other teen passengers. Then notice the policeman sitting in his cruiser a block or two away, doing nothing.
Same thing at the bowling alley, diner, or any other hang out.
I have a teen driver, and have 2 more coming up soon. So I’ll need a sticker on all my cars. I can’t limit them to only taking one vehicle. I can see myself getting pulled over coming home late from work one night.
This isn’t about civil liberties. It’s about enforcing the law that’s already there, instead of another costly government feel good, get good press moment.
“Anybody who thinks this idea is bad, wrong, immoral etc is just a fatheaded brainless twit, more concerned about preserving personal liberties than a few lives.”
This wonderfully constructed argument and brilliant grammar truly needs no rebuttal.
But your stupidity deserves an answer. The answer is yes, many of us consider liberty worth a few lives. Despite your attempt at hyperbole, there is no evidence that any lives would be saved.
By the way, you could really benefit from learning a little basic logic. I sincerely hope I am never driving near you; I am not certain you could even read and interpret the traffic signs.
Howie, you wrote:
“Anybody who thinks this idea is bad, wrong, immoral etc is just a fatheaded brainless twit, more concerned about preserving personal liberties than a few lives.”
WOW, this could be the scariest sentence I have seen or heard in any forum in a long, long time.
Given such a strong, uncompromising statement, it appears you are willing to sacrifice all vestiges of freedom (aka personal liberties) in the name of safety. If you have read any history, you would know that this path guarantees the loss of all freedoms and does nothing to preserve safety.
This law is wrong on both fronts. It violates basic human rights and the chances of it actually saving any lives is very, very remote. If anything, I would expect the opposite given your comments regarding New Jersey drivers.
Lets take it a step further. Elderly drivers have more accidents than teens after a certain age so let make them have sickers say after age 65. Oh and lets make people with more than 3 tickets have sickers. Just enforce the laws we already have.
Why does everyone in government treat the symptoms and not the cause? Want to make a positive impact? Make a consequence severe enough to get their attention. ANY moving violation or at fault accident should result in a one year suspension, mandatory driver training, and a 3 year surcharge on the parents policy. If we’re unwilling to get serious about this, we should all just shut up and live with it.
How in the world does NJ deal with newly licensed drivers that are NOT teens?
Aren’t they just as likely to become involved in an accident due to their inexperience?
Agreed. We do have laws in force to take care of these issues and there’s nothing more ridiculous than “passing a law to enforce an already existing law”. While it seems rational on paper and in the boardrooms, it makes no sense to place a sticker on a teen’s car just to notify the world that they are a teen driver. I believe they take care of that themselves with loud music, texting, etc.
What did I do, drive into a herd of buffalo? Or a bunch of ambulance chasers?
I could have softened my opening remark a little by eliminating the hyperbole – but I would still make the point that the concept of identifying a beginner driver of ANY age doesn’t paint a bullseye on them.
As to the application of this or any other law or rather its enforcement, I concur that the police do not evenly assess or recognize infractions of current statutes. No question. I wouldn’t know why and I don’t really care about that aspect about the proposed law.
I just simply think that something could be done – in theory – to get drivers in NJ to behave a little better.
But then again I remember when people got dressed up to go out, or wore ties to see a ballgame, and still had fun. Maybe I am the problem, in that I think we are capable of changing behavior. So be it.
If we are trying to identify groups that have the most harmful effects on American society, than we should require all politicians, elected or not, to be required to have a large decal placed on their vehicles and on their home(s). Printed on the decal it should say the following:
WARNING, THE OWNER OF THIS VEHICLE (OR HOME) IS A POLITICIAN. POLITICIANS HAVE PROVEN TO BE DECEITFUL, HAVE A HISTORY OF GRAFT & CORRUPTION, WASTE OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO BUY VOTES, AND USUALLY IGNORE THE VERY CONSTITUTION WHICH THEY ARE SWORN TO UPHOLD AND DEFEND. BELIEVING THIS PERSON TO ANY DEGREE CAN AND WILL BE HARMFUL TO YOUR FREEDOM.
Spoken perfectly.
Nicely said my friend, nicely said!
Even NASCAR paints the spoiler of Rookies red so the rest of the drivers know to take caution….
Ok, I really like this law. I wish NC would get this decal. And one for DUI offenders. Of course like someone else said it’s not hard to figure out a teen driver, loud music and u can barely see their heads cause they are laying back so far in their seats. But I think this decal would save lives of teens, especially since we now have the no texting or talking on a cell phone by teens.
“Corzine called it an important tool to help police enforce safety restrictions for novice drivers. They include passenger limits and a night driving curfew.”
A couple observations. My parents and my friends parents imposed passenger limits when I was a young driver. For the first 6 months I wasn’t allowed to have anyone in my car. No law was needed there.
Also, I was involved in two accidents as a young driver, neither of which happened at night. Just sayin. No law or sticker would have prevented either one. With the accident that was not my fault, the blame rested with two people who were not teens; the driver who pulled out and creamed me, and the driver who waived the all clear to pull out when it wasn’t all clear.
I see dangerous drivers or unaware drivers every day going to and from work, and most of them are not teen drivers.
I’d be interested in the stats on how many teens are killed in multi car accidents caused by a teen driver.
It seems to me that they are unfairly targeted.
C’mon, if you are going to use NASCAR as en example, at least get it right.
The “Rookie Stripe” isn’t a red spoiler on the car. It is a yellow stripe across the read bumper of the car.
But, regarding the identifying sticker on the rear of a car being driven by a teen driver, I think it’s an invitation for problems. While it would be nice to have something for law enforcement, I think you are creating a real danger for these drivers.
How often will them be target for insurance fraud. Someone pulls in front of them and slams on the breaks hoping to cash in on an inexperienced driver?
While I worked for Allstate many moons ago, the agent I worked for put Allstate signs on his car. He removed them shortly afterwards because people kept trying to get him to run into them.
These kids have enough problems trying to learn how to be responsible, let’s not put a “target” on their vehicles, which will likely only end up costing their parents more in insurance premiums.
Bus drivers are professionals? Most of them around me drive so horrible parents will not let their kids ride on the bus. improper lane usage, tailgating, the list goes on
ok, just remember that your taxpayer dollars are paying that salary for the bus driver!
Here’s an idea: require ALL cars to have a decals that say things like “vehicles move around and can be dangerous. do not stand or cross in front of a moving vehicle. watch for vehicles ahead.watch for vehicles approaching from behind. watch for vehicles turning or entering the roadway. use caution while operating a vehicle. stop for stop signs and red lights. etc, etc, etc, etc”, just like the “danger” stickers we have on ladders, small electric appliances and such….oh, I forgot, having a license is SUPPOSED mean you have already learned and know these things, having studied and passed the test…….right?
i can understand NASCAR, because that car is their’s for the whole season. but if you have a son/dau, and they are going to use your car to go to the store or to the prom, why should it have a perm decal? NASCAR travels at over 150 mph where a simple reaction can cause lots of trouble. these folks are also known as professional drivers.
i used to be a OTR trucker. our rookies did not have a sticker on the trailer because we change trailers almost every other day. again, we are professional drivers, holding a cdl license.
you kids normally don’t have a permanent car. some parents spoil their kids and get a car for the kid. i think kids truly need to be in school and not involved in a work. their is a school bus that we all help pay to get them on the road full of fuel and kids. the bus drivers are professional drivers.
truly we don’t need an extra target for our kids. we do need our parents to be more involved with our kids. that will be the key to solving young drivers.
I just saw this on the news and I am completely disgusted at this law. I have a 19 year old daughter and I would never make her comply with this law for the simple reason that it would compromise her safety and others that may be passengers. The logic that a predator can see there is a teenager in the car and that negates the danger is a bunch of crap! My daughter is not always in the car. Obviously, she is in the car heading from A to B! At some point she gets out of the car. But a rapist or murderer can drive through a parking lot and determine there is a teenager who drives the car, park nearby, and abduct her, and perhaps my nine year old daughter too! People who reside in New Jersey who have teenagers should be very afraid they have just painted a big bullseye on their children. I guess if you want to make it easier for predators to attack your children you are on the right track.