and he’s gets money in his pocket for the innings missed from the game. WOW! notice, that the payment came from the city and not the owner of the ballpark nor the yankees. even though the city settled, they claim no-liability. interesting, it took a blessing in order to get money!
It would seem that this goes farther than it looks. What a great way to keep Civil Libertys attorneys busy with this junk so they can’t cause harm in other area’s.
So, how many of the commenters would feel compelled to wait to use the restroom just because the stadium had a short break for everyone to face east and bow to Mecca three times? I’m guessing none.
So, why should anyone be required to wait while the same stadium has a short break to ask a popular although mythological god to bless the country in which the game is held?
It’s wrong either way and when a team kicks a spectator out of a baseball stadium because they didn’t show the “proper respect” to someone elses mythological beliefs, the team and the stadium owners deserve to be punished.
“The city did not admit liability in the settlement, which was finalized this week. But it will give the Queens resident $10,001 and will pay $12,000 in legal fees to the New York Civil Liberties Union.”
How often does the lawyer take home more than the plaintiff?
To the Athiest among us. First mythology has nothing to do with it. God has been a part of life since way before you decided that you did not need to submit to authority. Your stance on God has nothing to do with this issue. It is about respect and patriotism. If any religious group including athiest (and your religion is that there is no religion) gatherings requested my attention to a time honored tradition I would hope that I would respect the group enough to abide by their request or not go where these requests would be made. You can decide to stay away jast as easily as you can decide to attend. Everybody in America wants their freedoms but they have forgotten that a high price is paid for freedom and If we are to maintain our freedom we had better get back to the basics that made this country what it is. This country was build on Christian beliefs and the belief in God in our lives. If you can not accept that then find a new place to live that has no God. But leave mine alone and let America get back to invoking God into daily life and allowing God to bless this country again. The overall neglect of God by this country is causing it to fall just like other nations befor it. We can stop the distruction but first we have to aknowledge God as our supreme guide for life. Do not bother responding to this comment because I won’t be back for round two. Just think about it. If it were not for God and the men and women that died to establish this country you would have no freedoms. God Bless America and ignorant people. Let God do the punishing when the time is right.
What no one is commenting on is that this was probably resolved because it was cheaper to pay the Boston fan & the ACLU off than to fight against this nonsense. You can sue anybody for anything and almost ALL civil suits have some kind of nuisance value. That is what this appears to be – a nuisance value claim. As a claims adjuster, I am interested in the factual evidence and other evidence to support that this fan got kicked out of the ball game. For all we know, he could have been releiving himself against a wall in the mens room & got kicked out for that or maybe he was drunk & disorderly or maybe he was cursing the umpire – it does not matter – it was resolved for nuisance value. God Bless America – only in America could this type of stupidity prevail.
Nice job Chaplain! As for another email that said they never stand up for God Bless America a little history.
First Our national Anthem did not become that for well over a century after it was written. There was vigorous debait over it instead of God Bless America. I stand, I do not cross my heart as that is a salute to our nation. I am equally stirred by either song and hope we can fend off the minority that trys to tell me I can’t mention or sing the word God in public.
Ooooorah! The tyranny of the minority (Atheists, Socialists, tree huggers et al) and the “professionally offended” rule in NYC and increasingly everywhere else. With rights come responsibilities and the compunction to use common sense (shudder to think). Nicely said…
Actually sir, I strongly support your right to mention god in public and for the Yankees or any other private company to play God Bless America if they choose.
What I resent is being told that if I choose to quietly leave my seat to go to the mens room while it’s being played, I need to be thrown out of the stadium.
I strongly support religious freedom despite my disagreement with your beliefs. I have no quarrel with you publicly expressing your beliefs. All I ask is that I not be required to join you. Throwing that fan out was wrong, period. The playing of God Bless America is in no way wrong.
It wasnt’t the National Anthem! What a crock to even pay for such nonsense. As for nuiusiance value, if they had the cajones to stand up to this kind of jibberish and not pay it there would be a whole lot less nuiusiance value around.
“When the Founders wrote the nation’s Constitution, they specified that “no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.” (Article 6, section 3) This provision was radical in its day– giving equal citizenship to believers and non-believers alike. They wanted to ensure that no single religion could make the claim of being the official, national religion, such as England had. Nowhere in the Constitution does it mention religion, except in exclusionary terms. The words “Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, and God” are never mentioned in the Constitution– not once.
Police spokesman Paul J. Browne said the officers ejected Campeau-Laurion after they “observed a male cursing, using inappropriate language and acting in a disorderly manner while reeking of alcohol.” USA Today
Check all the facts. Our current “historians” claim they were all deists. There were many signers but the current educators only talk about a handful. God was important to most of them, they simply did not want to allow the government to determine any one faith. Today, we are at the opposite end, we want to kill the faith of our fathers.
Fact is, America has lost it’s identity and morals. Nothing is sacred anymore. The word “God” is on our currency and even inscribed on the Supreme Court building but people consider believing in something larger than themselves an “a la cart” proposition. When the immigrants settled here they had respect for the country and what it stood for. As younger generations replaced them, they lost that perspective. Nowadays they challenge the flag, the word God, the language, and everything else. They walk down the street with earphones on and look down at their blackberry while texting unecessary messages to irrelevan people. While tossing this clown out of the park may have been extreme, it’s refreshing to see someone still believes in American values. This idiot apparently felt that taking a leak from drinking too much beer was more important than spending 2 minutes honoring this country.
After reading everyone’s comments I am perplexed. We all agree that in this country we have the freedom to express our beliefs. We have had people die to defend this country and our rights. Whatever your beliefs are about religion or respecting a song played at a baseball game seems irrelevant. If what this person said happened did indeed happen then the cops were wrong. If during the song you needed to go to the bathroom that should not be a cause to be thrown out of the game. The police said he was drunk. Of course the police never lie to cover themselves once they find out there is a lawsuit right? Yes, I show respect for my country and yes I would honor the song but if I had to go I would go. If I were thrown out of the game for that you can bet I would be upset and you can bet I would feel my rights were stepped on. Getting thrown out for being drunk, fighting, etc. are all valid but it this story is accurate and this guy is being truthful then his rights were violated. I don’t know that I would have gone so far as to sue but you can bet I would have complained. No one will ever know if he was drunk or not but do you really think it was right to throw someone out for needing to use the bathroom? Maybe he had bowel issues or a medical condition. Maybe he drank a ton of water before the game and it just hit him. There are too many lawsuits but there are also too many people who do stupid stuff like throwing a person out of game because they did not conform to what they think someone should do.
Stuff like this distracts from the important stuff, such as, Which team one the game? Do we have the final score? Can and would someone post the box score?
Anyway, on a serious note, I go to lots of games at the Stadium and I always stand for GBA, but I neither remove my cap nor put my hand over my heart, because to do so is to disrepect the national anthem. I was in many USMC color guards and we always lowered all other flags (such as the USMC, Navy, and sometimes, state flags) during the playing of the national anthem, but you never lowered the other flags during the playing of GBA, because only the national anthem deserves such respect.
Anyway, no one should be compelled to worship or participate in anyone else’s religion or beliefs, but everyone should show at least a minimum of respect. So, if all of the crowd were asked to bow and face Mecca, the proper response for a non-muslim would be to stand silently to show respect.
Of course, most of you so-called liberal bloggers don’t give such respect to others with different political views and you expect others to worship and FUND your secular beliefs of nanny state, affirmative action, and all of that other junk.
very well put! i agree i am 13 yr navy veteran. as a vet, we put country above all other. the right for us to defend our freedoms. how many folks really appreciate the work that we do, most of it silently.
HOOAH! Fair Winds and Following Seas! (the navy in me.)… for the Marines – Semper Fi!
i am always proud of our military. i was an army brat prior to my service.
again, what was the score of the game? oh, i am a st louis cardinal fan!
You’re right, Wos. It was an over-reaction by the police. While one always should show respect for the beliefs of others, there never should be police coercion to force a show of respect.
So, reasonably, the fan could’ve waited two more minutes (he was in his late 20’s and had no medical problems), but since he chose to be disrepectful, that’s a refection on his lack of maturity, but by no means does such disrepect require police action. Save that for muslim countries, we ain’t that way and shouldn’t be that way.
(P.S. in my first post of today (7/13), in the first paragraph, the word “one” should be ‘won’, of course. My apologies, I confused anyone.)
“But the Red Sox fan said he had two beers, an hour apart, and enjoyed the game quietly.”
I hope this guy wasn’t under oath when he made this statement, there hasn’t been a Red Sox fan or Yankee fan for that matter that has ever enjoyed a game quietly. Two of the most annoying fan groups in the world!
I find many of these issues where people take extreme sides very ironic. Like flag burning for instance. There are those who find the practice disrespectful and want to ban it. Come on… doesn’t flag burning prove the point on the other side? Burn all you want… you are only proving what a great country we live in. You can burn it all day long and you have the freedom to do so without fear. You’ve just contradicted yourself. Same with the issue of supporting Christian beliefs in this country. Aren’t we at war with countries who have tried to force their religious views on others? We don’t want other countries to force religious views on their citizens, yet we want to do it here. Before you jump to conclusion… I am a Christian. I just don’t want my government getting involved in my faith.
We’ve lost all common sense people. The guy had to PEE!
You, need to to more research. The church attendance records, sermons, and much more are available for Jefferson and other founding fathers. The majority were not diest in their beliefs. God was a big topic at the constitutional convention and if you are right why do many of the founding fathers journals record them praying for guidance.
Obviously you are an idiot. As well, you cannot think for yourself if you have to quote from some mediocre website published by blow hard red sox fans. Get a life and stay out of the insurance business.
That poor Red Soxs fan. I’m sure he was flabbergasted by such Patriotism being exuded at Yankee Stadium. I mean in the Socialistic Republic of Massachusetts they wouldn’t think of playing such music in fear of offending someone.
I hope the settlement included free counseling. It’s bad enough he’s a Red Soxs fan, but now he’s scarred by the sense of honor to one’s country.
Maybe King Hussein can have Congress ban this type of music being played in ball parks such as Yankee Stadium. We wouldn’t want Americans being offended.
Heck maybe the King can appoint a baseball Czar to implement a music policy.
I agree with you sandman-the Founding Fathers were religious and respectfull of religion as they realized that such feelings and respect are needed for the new nation they were creating, but were very careful not to impose their specific religion upon others. Hence our use of religious terms and symbolism in our governmental institutions and even things like currency.
And Woodchuk-I too am a member of the Cardinal Nation-How ’bout them Cards! I’m feeling another run at the World Series by TLR and the team.
and he’s gets money in his pocket for the innings missed from the game. WOW! notice, that the payment came from the city and not the owner of the ballpark nor the yankees. even though the city settled, they claim no-liability. interesting, it took a blessing in order to get money!
“oh my goodness gracious. Rawgha is in Steinbrenahs bawx”
Just shows to go ya, Boston Fans Suck!
It would seem that this goes farther than it looks. What a great way to keep Civil Libertys attorneys busy with this junk so they can’t cause harm in other area’s.
Great now we are paying drunken Red Sawx fans who can’t wait a minute or two to use the rest room. Thank you ACLU.
About time – I was taught to stand for the Natioanl Anthem – not God Bless America–I never stand during that song in protest
So, how many of the commenters would feel compelled to wait to use the restroom just because the stadium had a short break for everyone to face east and bow to Mecca three times? I’m guessing none.
So, why should anyone be required to wait while the same stadium has a short break to ask a popular although mythological god to bless the country in which the game is held?
It’s wrong either way and when a team kicks a spectator out of a baseball stadium because they didn’t show the “proper respect” to someone elses mythological beliefs, the team and the stadium owners deserve to be punished.
Although you have a very bitter way of going about it, I do have to agree with you, Atheist. But why so angry?
How come nobody pointed this out:
“The city did not admit liability in the settlement, which was finalized this week. But it will give the Queens resident $10,001 and will pay $12,000 in legal fees to the New York Civil Liberties Union.”
How often does the lawyer take home more than the plaintiff?
I think you would be surpried how often the bottom-dwelling scum-suckers take home more than the client who suffered the “injury”.
What does ‘mythological god’ mean ?
To the Athiest among us. First mythology has nothing to do with it. God has been a part of life since way before you decided that you did not need to submit to authority. Your stance on God has nothing to do with this issue. It is about respect and patriotism. If any religious group including athiest (and your religion is that there is no religion) gatherings requested my attention to a time honored tradition I would hope that I would respect the group enough to abide by their request or not go where these requests would be made. You can decide to stay away jast as easily as you can decide to attend. Everybody in America wants their freedoms but they have forgotten that a high price is paid for freedom and If we are to maintain our freedom we had better get back to the basics that made this country what it is. This country was build on Christian beliefs and the belief in God in our lives. If you can not accept that then find a new place to live that has no God. But leave mine alone and let America get back to invoking God into daily life and allowing God to bless this country again. The overall neglect of God by this country is causing it to fall just like other nations befor it. We can stop the distruction but first we have to aknowledge God as our supreme guide for life. Do not bother responding to this comment because I won’t be back for round two. Just think about it. If it were not for God and the men and women that died to establish this country you would have no freedoms. God Bless America and ignorant people. Let God do the punishing when the time is right.
Mythological – Adj – of or relating to mythology or myths; lacking in factual basis or historical validity. Sounds about right to me.
“time honored tradition”? – dating all the way back to 9/11?
What no one is commenting on is that this was probably resolved because it was cheaper to pay the Boston fan & the ACLU off than to fight against this nonsense. You can sue anybody for anything and almost ALL civil suits have some kind of nuisance value. That is what this appears to be – a nuisance value claim. As a claims adjuster, I am interested in the factual evidence and other evidence to support that this fan got kicked out of the ball game. For all we know, he could have been releiving himself against a wall in the mens room & got kicked out for that or maybe he was drunk & disorderly or maybe he was cursing the umpire – it does not matter – it was resolved for nuisance value. God Bless America – only in America could this type of stupidity prevail.
Nice job Chaplain! As for another email that said they never stand up for God Bless America a little history.
First Our national Anthem did not become that for well over a century after it was written. There was vigorous debait over it instead of God Bless America. I stand, I do not cross my heart as that is a salute to our nation. I am equally stirred by either song and hope we can fend off the minority that trys to tell me I can’t mention or sing the word God in public.
Ooooorah! The tyranny of the minority (Atheists, Socialists, tree huggers et al) and the “professionally offended” rule in NYC and increasingly everywhere else. With rights come responsibilities and the compunction to use common sense (shudder to think). Nicely said…
Semper Fi.
He should give thanks to his lucky stars!
Actually sir, I strongly support your right to mention god in public and for the Yankees or any other private company to play God Bless America if they choose.
What I resent is being told that if I choose to quietly leave my seat to go to the mens room while it’s being played, I need to be thrown out of the stadium.
I strongly support religious freedom despite my disagreement with your beliefs. I have no quarrel with you publicly expressing your beliefs. All I ask is that I not be required to join you. Throwing that fan out was wrong, period. The playing of God Bless America is in no way wrong.
It wasnt’t the National Anthem! What a crock to even pay for such nonsense. As for nuiusiance value, if they had the cajones to stand up to this kind of jibberish and not pay it there would be a whole lot less nuiusiance value around.
“When the Founders wrote the nation’s Constitution, they specified that “no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.” (Article 6, section 3) This provision was radical in its day– giving equal citizenship to believers and non-believers alike. They wanted to ensure that no single religion could make the claim of being the official, national religion, such as England had. Nowhere in the Constitution does it mention religion, except in exclusionary terms. The words “Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, and God” are never mentioned in the Constitution– not once.
http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html
Police spokesman Paul J. Browne said the officers ejected Campeau-Laurion after they “observed a male cursing, using inappropriate language and acting in a disorderly manner while reeking of alcohol.” USA Today
Check all the facts. Our current “historians” claim they were all deists. There were many signers but the current educators only talk about a handful. God was important to most of them, they simply did not want to allow the government to determine any one faith. Today, we are at the opposite end, we want to kill the faith of our fathers.
Fact is, America has lost it’s identity and morals. Nothing is sacred anymore. The word “God” is on our currency and even inscribed on the Supreme Court building but people consider believing in something larger than themselves an “a la cart” proposition. When the immigrants settled here they had respect for the country and what it stood for. As younger generations replaced them, they lost that perspective. Nowadays they challenge the flag, the word God, the language, and everything else. They walk down the street with earphones on and look down at their blackberry while texting unecessary messages to irrelevan people. While tossing this clown out of the park may have been extreme, it’s refreshing to see someone still believes in American values. This idiot apparently felt that taking a leak from drinking too much beer was more important than spending 2 minutes honoring this country.
After reading everyone’s comments I am perplexed. We all agree that in this country we have the freedom to express our beliefs. We have had people die to defend this country and our rights. Whatever your beliefs are about religion or respecting a song played at a baseball game seems irrelevant. If what this person said happened did indeed happen then the cops were wrong. If during the song you needed to go to the bathroom that should not be a cause to be thrown out of the game. The police said he was drunk. Of course the police never lie to cover themselves once they find out there is a lawsuit right? Yes, I show respect for my country and yes I would honor the song but if I had to go I would go. If I were thrown out of the game for that you can bet I would be upset and you can bet I would feel my rights were stepped on. Getting thrown out for being drunk, fighting, etc. are all valid but it this story is accurate and this guy is being truthful then his rights were violated. I don’t know that I would have gone so far as to sue but you can bet I would have complained. No one will ever know if he was drunk or not but do you really think it was right to throw someone out for needing to use the bathroom? Maybe he had bowel issues or a medical condition. Maybe he drank a ton of water before the game and it just hit him. There are too many lawsuits but there are also too many people who do stupid stuff like throwing a person out of game because they did not conform to what they think someone should do.
Stuff like this distracts from the important stuff, such as, Which team one the game? Do we have the final score? Can and would someone post the box score?
Anyway, on a serious note, I go to lots of games at the Stadium and I always stand for GBA, but I neither remove my cap nor put my hand over my heart, because to do so is to disrepect the national anthem. I was in many USMC color guards and we always lowered all other flags (such as the USMC, Navy, and sometimes, state flags) during the playing of the national anthem, but you never lowered the other flags during the playing of GBA, because only the national anthem deserves such respect.
Anyway, no one should be compelled to worship or participate in anyone else’s religion or beliefs, but everyone should show at least a minimum of respect. So, if all of the crowd were asked to bow and face Mecca, the proper response for a non-muslim would be to stand silently to show respect.
Of course, most of you so-called liberal bloggers don’t give such respect to others with different political views and you expect others to worship and FUND your secular beliefs of nanny state, affirmative action, and all of that other junk.
Semper Fi,
very well put! i agree i am 13 yr navy veteran. as a vet, we put country above all other. the right for us to defend our freedoms. how many folks really appreciate the work that we do, most of it silently.
HOOAH! Fair Winds and Following Seas! (the navy in me.)… for the Marines – Semper Fi!
i am always proud of our military. i was an army brat prior to my service.
again, what was the score of the game? oh, i am a st louis cardinal fan!
You’re right, Wos. It was an over-reaction by the police. While one always should show respect for the beliefs of others, there never should be police coercion to force a show of respect.
So, reasonably, the fan could’ve waited two more minutes (he was in his late 20’s and had no medical problems), but since he chose to be disrepectful, that’s a refection on his lack of maturity, but by no means does such disrepect require police action. Save that for muslim countries, we ain’t that way and shouldn’t be that way.
(P.S. in my first post of today (7/13), in the first paragraph, the word “one” should be ‘won’, of course. My apologies, I confused anyone.)
“But the Red Sox fan said he had two beers, an hour apart, and enjoyed the game quietly.”
I hope this guy wasn’t under oath when he made this statement, there hasn’t been a Red Sox fan or Yankee fan for that matter that has ever enjoyed a game quietly. Two of the most annoying fan groups in the world!
They did not believe the Bible contained the actual words of God. They did not believe in the Divinity of Jesus. Read my Bible if you get a chance.
America was founded on the belief we do not mix Church and State.
I find many of these issues where people take extreme sides very ironic. Like flag burning for instance. There are those who find the practice disrespectful and want to ban it. Come on… doesn’t flag burning prove the point on the other side? Burn all you want… you are only proving what a great country we live in. You can burn it all day long and you have the freedom to do so without fear. You’ve just contradicted yourself. Same with the issue of supporting Christian beliefs in this country. Aren’t we at war with countries who have tried to force their religious views on others? We don’t want other countries to force religious views on their citizens, yet we want to do it here. Before you jump to conclusion… I am a Christian. I just don’t want my government getting involved in my faith.
We’ve lost all common sense people. The guy had to PEE!
You, need to to more research. The church attendance records, sermons, and much more are available for Jefferson and other founding fathers. The majority were not diest in their beliefs. God was a big topic at the constitutional convention and if you are right why do many of the founding fathers journals record them praying for guidance.
Obviously you are an idiot. As well, you cannot think for yourself if you have to quote from some mediocre website published by blow hard red sox fans. Get a life and stay out of the insurance business.
That poor Red Soxs fan. I’m sure he was flabbergasted by such Patriotism being exuded at Yankee Stadium. I mean in the Socialistic Republic of Massachusetts they wouldn’t think of playing such music in fear of offending someone.
I hope the settlement included free counseling. It’s bad enough he’s a Red Soxs fan, but now he’s scarred by the sense of honor to one’s country.
Maybe King Hussein can have Congress ban this type of music being played in ball parks such as Yankee Stadium. We wouldn’t want Americans being offended.
Heck maybe the King can appoint a baseball Czar to implement a music policy.
I agree with you sandman-the Founding Fathers were religious and respectfull of religion as they realized that such feelings and respect are needed for the new nation they were creating, but were very careful not to impose their specific religion upon others. Hence our use of religious terms and symbolism in our governmental institutions and even things like currency.
And Woodchuk-I too am a member of the Cardinal Nation-How ’bout them Cards! I’m feeling another run at the World Series by TLR and the team.
Great site. Keep doing.