who cares; as long as they keep making gravy for my biscuits, they can harass Rosie as long as they like; it\’s probably the only positive attention she gets.
A gay woman in Londonderry, New Hampshire, has sued a Cracker Barrel restaurant, claiming that management did nothing after she complained of employees sexually assaulting her and making crude references to her sexuality. The woman, Bonnie Usher, joined the Cracker Barrel staff as a cook in 2000. In the complaint she filed with New Hampshire human rights commission, she says that she was denied better work shifts and promotions because she is a woman, that she was subjected to abusive language, was groped by a co-worker, and that a photo of the groping was hung on the wall of the restaurant\’s employee area.
Usher was fired in 2004, and she is maintaining that the company fired her because she complained about mistreatment on the job. A spokesman for Cracker Barrel says the company was not aware of Usher\’s complaints.
Bonnie Usher\’s suit is interesting because it adds gender discrimination and sexual harrassment to a long list of employee complaints over many years. In the early 90\’s, a Cracker Barrel memo, written by a company executive, was leaked. The memo stated that managers should fire employees who did not \”demonstrate normal heterosexual values.\” One lesbian employee, Cheryl Summerville, said the reason given on her separation papers was \”Employee is gay.\” Summerville\’s Cracker Barrel was in Georgia, where there is no state protection for gay workers, so she was unable to take legal action against the company. There was a shareholder outcry against Cracker Barrel\’s policy, and a decade-long boycott of the restaurant by gays and gay rights activists, leading to the addition of a non-discrimination clause in Cracker Barrel\’s employee policies.
This used to be a free country. Now we must associate with deviants whether we like it or not. Why should a deviant\’s \”right\” to work somewhere trump normal people\’s freedom of association?
The headline for the post I responded to was, \”Uh oh, you\’re gay – well you are SO FIRED!\” So…. hmmmm…. that\’s a hard one to figure out….. what DID I mean by that….?
You changed the headline Tom (duh!). So you could have been talking about anything. I was not rude to you, but you were to me (grow up!). Since you are not very good at getting your point across I will assume you think gay people are \”deviants\”.
That comment alone explains your stupidity.
\”This used to be a free country.\” Guess it isn\’t anymore since Tom thinks people aren\’t free to be homosexual. (And I am heterosexual, for the record).
No wonder the world is getting worse instead of better… ::waits for the bible thumpers to educate me about the sins of homosexuality::
How do I wish to see them treated? That\’s not the issue, though the answer would be: With the same kindness and deference any lost sinner deserves.
But the real question is, How should people who don\’t want sexual deviance in their face all day be treated? Or, How should people be treated who don\’t want to associate with people who carry exotic diseases be treated? And the answer is: To the degree that they control the situation, they should be free not to assiciate with people whose lives are lived in defiance of the laws of nature and of nature\’s God.
As for ignorance, it is the practices of deviants that betray ignorance both of the complementarity of the male and female bodies, and of basic hygene.
Gay people have AIDS. Heterosexual people don\’t. Wait! That\’s not right. Hmm… exotic diseases? (exotic means Intriguingly unusual or different; excitingly strange) Exotic probably wasn\’t a good choice of words on Tom\’s part. That sodomy comment was posted by Tom\’s doppelganger.
You know what? I should have the freedom to not be preached to about how homosexuality is wrong. But, it doesn\’t stop people.
\”How should people who don\’t want sexual deviance in their face all day be treated?\” So, don\’t sit all day at Cracker Barrel and have a meal. Cook at home. I don\’t want to have ignorant people (hey Tom!) in MY face all day, but it\’s impossible to get away from and so I have to live with it.
\”As for ignorance, it is the practices of deviants that betray ignorance both of the complementarity of the male and female bodies, and of basic hygene.\”
Uhm, gay people don\’t brush? They don\’t shower? That is an asinine comment. Do you shower? Because you smell bad to me. What someone does behind closed doors is none of your business. I am sure you have some type of habit that people would find dysfunctional. How would you feel if someone were to condemn you for your habit? No, gay people shouldn\’t make out in public. But, straight people shouldn\’t either. It\’s just bad manners.
Not sure of your point either. But, I am sure it probably doesn\’t make sense. :)
I agree with Tom, tomorrow I am bringing my pet lion to work so he can bite the head off the the idiot christian i set next to. can\’t stand working next to deviants like christians, catholics, etc.
\”(Those words are from our founding document, the Declaration of Independence, by the way.)\” What is your point? Some of our founding fathers were surely gay. Just because God (etc etc) is in a document written by Americans doesn\’t mean we all have to agree with the thought. And you complain that we used to live in a free country! I am FREE to not want religion shoved down my throat just because it was written in the Declaration of Independence. WHO CARES?!?!? They also wore funny wigs and pants back in the day!
\”Exotic diseases, like AIDS, diseases like hepatitis and cytomegalo virus that result from promiscuous contact with filth.\” I found the following information on encylopedia.com \”A common virus, it is estimated that up to 80% of Americans carry cytomegalovirus by the time they reach adulthood.\” So, it\’s common, yet exotic. Sorry Tom, no dice. Oh and straight people get AIDS and hepatitis too. If you are going to bring up a point, make sure you cross your t\’s and dot your i\’s before you do.
Oh and hey, don\’t some (male) priests spread the word of God (homosexuality is a sin, then go \”sin\” with their (male) personal trainer.
Amen!!! Oh wait, I didn\’t mean that in the Christian way though. So, please don\’t let your lion bite my head off. I am not a biblethumper (or reader, for that matter).
Good point!
I keep typing so many posts because people are posting in the meantime. So, sorry about that but I do have a lot to say!
Can we get rid of the smoking section? might as well get rid of the rest of the deviants. They could be the first deviant free restaurant chain in the country.
Ok. I guess that\’s where I was confused. The exotic diseases you listed are able to be caught by anyone. In fact (And you can disagree or look it up.) The majority of AIDS victims are hetrosexual. It seems like a very broad stroke to label anyone who has these diseases as being deviant.
Are you referring to our founding fathers who owned slaves? Or in Jefferson\’s case had sex with his slaves and had children by them. I wasn\’t sure if you were holding them up in a special esteem or not. If you hold that owning other people and having sex out of wedlock as deviant, then the declaration probably isn\’t a good example to use as it was written by deviants.
There are lots of people where I work that I don\’t want to associate with….So I don\’t. There\’s a big difference between that and saying someone isn\’t allowed to work at the same place because we have differing ideas.
You just said that a pastor in Sweden went to jail for basically having different views and you don\’t think that is right.
Cytomegalo virus is indeed carried by most people – in their colons. It doesn\’t hurt anything there, but it is very dangerous in the upper GI or the urethra. Hence, its prevalence in sodomists: it goes where it doesn\’t belong during their deviant practices.
Sure, heteros get AIDS and hepatitis, usually from fornication and needle sharing. I guess it would be intolerant to discourage these practices, even though many lives would be saved if these rpactices were discouraged. But these diseases are rampant in the \”gay\” community because of their deviant promiscuity.
So if you hire lots of \”gays\” you will be paying for a lot of sick days. Not to mention that the higher health insurance costs that we all suffer under are in some part the result of the risky deviant sexual practices of 2% of the society.
Oh, and a school child is much more likely to be molested by his teacher than by his priest.
\”Oh, and a school child is much more likely to be molested by his teacher than by his priest.\” By his biblethumping teacher huh? What was your point on this one? I didn\’t mention anything about a teacher. Your point has no validity in this debate.
By the way, cytomegalovirus is just one word, not two. :) \”Cytomegalovirus is present in body fluids (saliva, semen, cervical secretions, and urine) and can be spread from person to person by sexual contact, kissing, or the sharing of food. It can also be transmitted from mother to fetus.- encyclopedia.com\” Are you married? Did you kiss your wife at the wedding? If you did, you must be a deviant. Your mom is too because she might have given you the cytomegalovirus. \”It doesn\’t hurt anything there, but it is very dangerous in the upper GI or the urethra.- Tom\” This disease is exotic and affects everyone who goes pee. :)
\”Sure, heteros get AIDS and hepatitis, usually from fornication and needle sharing. I guess it would be intolerant to discourage these practices, even though many lives would be saved if these rpactices were discouraged.\” So now gays are deviants as well as unmarried people who have sex. (I assume you saved yourself for marriage then?) I like how you say that many lives would be saved if people didn\’t fornicate. What does that have to do with anything (provided they use protection or are \”clean\”)??? So, you don\’t condone needle sharing (I don\’t either) but you do condone drug use? (I don\’t feel it\’s right but who am I to judge?)
\”So if you hire lots of \”gays\” you will be paying for a lot of sick days.\” Lots of companies lump sick and vacation days together and they are paid no matter if the person goes to Hawaii or the hospital. I could call out of work because I am just plain sick of going into the office. Not sure of your point on this one either.
\”Not to mention that the higher health insurance costs that we all suffer under are in some part the result of the risky deviant sexual practices of 2% of the society.\” And they are in some part due to the unfortunate reality that is cancer, ms, muscular dystrophy, etc. You are complaining about 2% of society driving up the cost of healthcare? Does that even make a dent??
I didn\’t call you any names unless you count genius. (Which of course was sarcasm).
I understand what you are saying Aunti, and I agree. You should be allowed to state your opinion.
The difference is that Tom was stating we should be allowed to discriminate based on sexuality. That\’s where the opinion turns into hate speech. It would be the same if he were saying black people should be slaves again. When speech is used to incite harm or hate that\’s where it crosses the line.
I disagree with your premise that discriminating on sexuality is hate speech. Hate speech is inciting violence or threat of violence towards a protected class. None of protected classes are voluntary. Some studies show homosexuality may be genetic, but even if this is the case, it is still voluntarily expressed. You don\’t HAVE to have sex with same sex partners just because you are born with homosexual tendencies. Regardless of genetics, participating in homosexuality is a choice. Everyone has the option of being abstinent.
I particulary abhor the use of the \”hate speech\” card just because a person does not agree with conservative Biblical views of life. I do not cry that your denouncing of my personal religious beliefs as \”hate speech\”, why should my views be considered hate speech simply because I don\’t have the same opinion as you?
Hate speech is a controversial term for speech intended to degrade, intimidate, or incite violence or prejudicial action against a person or group of people based on their race, gender, age, ethnicity, national origin, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, language ability, moral or political views, socioeconomic class, occupation or appearance (such as height,weight, and hair color). The term covers written as well as oral communication and some forms of behaviors in a public setting. It is also sometimes called antilocution and is the first point on Allport\’s scale which measures prejudice in a society.
There ya go. And I never said anything about your personal religious beliefs. Unless of course you mean that your religous belief says we need to discriminate against people based on the above. Then, uh, yeah I guess I did. Sorry.
But that was my opinion which you defend. Understand the difference now?
I found the information below on answers.com. Unlike Troll, I do not make up definitions of words.
\”hate speech
n.
Bigoted speech attacking or disparaging a social or ethnic group or a member of such a group.\”
\”In Canada, advocating genocide or inciting hatred against any \’identifiable group\’ is an indictable offense under the Canadian Criminal Code with maximum terms of two to fourteen years. An \’identifiable group\’ is defined as \’any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.\’ It makes exceptions for cases of statements of truth, and subjects of public debate and religious doctrine.\”
Hmm… \”I disagree with your premise that discriminating on sexuality is hate speech. Hate speech is inciting violence or threat of violence towards a protected class. None of protected classes are voluntary.\” Well, it\’s too bad you disagree but that\’s the DEFINITION. You can\’t argue with a definition unless you can get Funk & Wagnalls to change it in their reference books. Also, you say none of the protected classes are voluntary. \’I do not cry that your denouncing of my personal religious beliefs as \”hate speech\”\’ Religion is a protected class. Hmm, but religion isn\’t voluntary. Did someone FORCE you to be Christian, Methodist, Catholic? I suppose you\’re allowed to have an opinion that contradicts FACTS, but you will never be able to back that opinion up (as one would in a debate- which is essentially what we are doing).
\”Some studies show homosexuality may be genetic, but even if this is the case, it is still voluntarily expressed. You don\’t HAVE to have sex with same sex partners just because you are born with homosexual tendencies. Regardless of genetics, participating in homosexuality is a choice. Everyone has the option of being abstinent.\” Then, I ask that you please abstain. I don\’t want you procreating. (By the way, I never said anything attacking your religion. Feel free to go to church. Feel free to NOT shove your beliefs down my throat and ask me to treat a human being differently because he/she is gay.
Lastly, this just a funny little side note. My gay guy friend calls the ugly gay guys \”trolls\”. I just find that to be hysterical.
yes, many missing posts. it appears the troll and tom are the same \”person\” (sorry but can\’t call \’em human). Jewel you took the words right out of my mouth regarding hate speech, protects classes, religion and homo/hetero -sexuality. Tom, er Troll is a very uneducated person indeed. I hope he does not decide to breed.
Not sure how working with an employee who is gay can be so troubling to some people.
I worked with many gays when I was younger, we worked hard together, partied even harder together and we were all good friends.
You people are obviously members of the lunatic fringe. When you are supposed to be working, you\’re taking your company\’s time to get into venting your venom about other peoples\’ business. Now, go back to work.
Good one! I am sure Rosie hasn\’t heard (read) that one before.
By the way, there have been A LOT of people who have posted since Rosie. Next time you might want to make it clear who you are talking to because others might not get your joke (overused and not that funny).
Also, do you have a point to make or are you just TRYING to be funny?
That\’s the point of this website. To POST your thoughts. Maybe I am on break. Maybe I am the boss. Maybe this IS my job. Why don\’t YOU go back to work and stop reading this on company time?
Come on, it\’s ok, we welcome you into the world of crazy!
Jewel, You seem to have had a little too much coffee. Rosie – and you – seem a little too caffeinated
I agree with the \”King\”, that you people have too much time on your hands. As for the discussion; in the words of Paula Jones\’s sister, these skirts at the Cracker Barrell – they \”smelt money\”.
Coffee is a beverage, caffeine is a stimulant that is found in coffee. There is no redundancy when describing that perhaps you drink a lot of coffee because you seem caffeinated. It is like saying you are stoned because you smoked pot, or that you are drunk because you drank too much alcohol.
After your last posting though, I would conclude it is more like methamphetamine. Please, go home, put on some make-up, shave your armpits and take off your combat boots, put away your dominatrix get-up and try to enjoy life a little. The glass is not always half empty.
If you could follow a conversation I might have had a fighting chance. I was trying to save you from excessive typing since you\’re supposed to be working and all. Since I am hyped up on caffeine through coffee drinking and Rosie is \”caffeinated\” perhaps you could have just described us both at the same time.
And yeah \”there is no redundancy when describing that perhaps you drink a lot of coffee because you seem caffeinated. It is like saying you are stoned because you smoked pot, or that you are drunk because you drank too much alcohol\” is kind of redundant. It\’s like saying 6 AM in the morning. I bet you are one of those people who say things like that, aren\’t you?
By the way, I didn\’t insult you first. Please grow up. I bet you wouldn\’t say that to my face (you\’d be scared I\’d kick you with my steel toe boots). Too bad I am the kind of woman who wears cute shoes :)
PS. Is Jewel a little \”OCD\”? I see her name as having been compelled to impose her opinion on practically every article. You know what they say about us neanderthals – read \”men\”. (By the way, how come there are no female cavewomen in the GEICO commercials?)
\”PS. Is Jewel a little \”OCD\”? I see her name as having been compelled to impose her opinion on practically every article.\”
That\’s because I don\’t change my name every time I post on this site. Big Insurance- how many different names have you used? And, obsessive… maybe… compulsive… not so much. Oh, and there are easily 20 times as many articles on here that I have NOT responded to in some way, shape or form. In order for your arguments to have validity, they need to be accurate. Oh, you were probably exaggerating. Kind of like calling yourself BIG Insurance huh? :)
Thanks for playing- keep the insults coming. Perhaps you will hit upon a valid insult one of these days.
Ever noticed the artifacts hanging from the walls and ceiling at any Cracker Barrel location? Most folks are surprised to learn all the old toys, tools, utensils, signs, and advertisements are original. Since the artifacts in every store are unique, we like to think of every Cracker Barrel Old Country Store location as a museum of Americana.
Look over there: it\’s Uncle Fester. He used to play pranks on neighbors; he\’d dress up in a sheet and try to scare folks outa their homes.
This here is a drawin\’ of Cletus Willbogen. He was the first family member of the C Barrel family to gradetate; he got outta 6th grade before age 17. We was proud of him and his sons, Ortho and Roundup.
Here\’s a rag doll, made by our Aunt Freda. Ole Aunt Freda was a hoot. She used to make rags dolls all the time, but she named them all Johnny Booth. Something about the war of northern aggression didn\’t sit well with her.
And finally, here\’s cousin Kittle. Sumthin\’ wasn\’t right about Kit; he used to chase the dog, the chickins, the school bus, trucks on the intrastate. Needless to say, Kit didn\’t get much book learnin\’, but he did help us locate the finest jams and jellies we could find before his untimely demise behind that manure spreader out on I-40.
You could say that Cracker Barrel decor is a family affair, because one family has purchased all the artifacts since the first store opened back in 1969. Don and Kathleen Singleton owned an antique store in Lebanon when Co-Founder Danny Evins asked them to provide that Old Country Store look in his new restaurant. Don and Kathleen like the job, and eventually passed it down to their son Larry in 1980.
Now the Singletons have purchased well over a half million artifacts over the years. But there\’s a process behind the scenes that takes place before we place these items in a store. Larry\’s team will clean and restore every piece before it gets placed in a new Cracker Barrel Old Country Store location.
So keep your gravy to yourself, and Pull up a chair to one of our heartiest morning meals – Uncle Herschel\’s Favorite®. Start with a choice of your favorite breakfast meat, add two farm fresh Eggs cooked to order, Grits, Sawmill Gravy, homemade Buttermilk Biscuits, real Butter and only the finest Preserves. Then choose Fried Apples or our tasty Hashbrown Casserole. Available all day at your local Cracker Barrel.
Be sure to where shoes; no shirt, no shoes, no service. Make yourself at home, though.
First of all, I really would like for people to stop putting words in my mouth. (or into my posts).
I am not a manhater at all and I never said or IMPLIED that I was one. If anyone would like to show me a specific comment *I* made to back this up, please do so. Otherwise, just shut up.
Oh, and men are not \”neanderthals\” (used here to mean ignorant or stupid)… I never said or IMPLIED that either.
So, let\’s all grow up and stop attacking people for things they NEVER said (or implied). Attacking them for things they did say is another story.
Hi Jewel
Actually, I was just trying to have a little fun and lighten things up, although I am glad that you have some really hot shoes too :))). You do some cool posts and are a breath of fresh air.
I apologize; I wasn\’t getting on you about that remark (not much anyway).
I just don\’t like people screaming and yelling at me when they have misunderstood my words (whether my fault- I realize I am not always 100% clear- or theirs).
Thanks for the compliments. I think you are pretty groovy too…
Jewel…you don’t write or call anymore…I hope you are alright even though you do sound like a man hater…funny how the years have changed this story…wish Rosie would write, too.
!!!!!!
You do realize that insurance geeks aren\’t built to handle smokin\’ hotties like you, Jewel???
Thanks though-you\’ve made my day and brought a smile to my lips…you got style hun, don\’t change a bit and I hear that zipper even now!
What happened to Rosie? We had auch a good post going, too…it’s only been 2 years or so…If only Rosie would stop and read the original story, I’m sure she would become inflamed again…I’m afraid O’Bama will run out of cabinet appointees with tax problems soon, and if Rosie doesn’t come back, oh, what a pity.
Cracker Barrel has such a lengthy history of discriminatory conduct, its amazing they were even able to get coverage.
This is what happens when Newt, the Hammer and all the neo-con cronies think it would be a good idea to open a restaurant chain.
The question is insurability NOT your attempts at omnipotent political rhetoric.
What in the world are you smoking?!
who cares; as long as they keep making gravy for my biscuits, they can harass Rosie as long as they like; it\’s probably the only positive attention she gets.
If it\’s not within the Policy Period as stated in the Article, then what do they expect. (Ha ha)
2 funny…
What do you expect from a Barrel of Crackers?
A gay woman in Londonderry, New Hampshire, has sued a Cracker Barrel restaurant, claiming that management did nothing after she complained of employees sexually assaulting her and making crude references to her sexuality. The woman, Bonnie Usher, joined the Cracker Barrel staff as a cook in 2000. In the complaint she filed with New Hampshire human rights commission, she says that she was denied better work shifts and promotions because she is a woman, that she was subjected to abusive language, was groped by a co-worker, and that a photo of the groping was hung on the wall of the restaurant\’s employee area.
Usher was fired in 2004, and she is maintaining that the company fired her because she complained about mistreatment on the job. A spokesman for Cracker Barrel says the company was not aware of Usher\’s complaints.
Bonnie Usher\’s suit is interesting because it adds gender discrimination and sexual harrassment to a long list of employee complaints over many years. In the early 90\’s, a Cracker Barrel memo, written by a company executive, was leaked. The memo stated that managers should fire employees who did not \”demonstrate normal heterosexual values.\” One lesbian employee, Cheryl Summerville, said the reason given on her separation papers was \”Employee is gay.\” Summerville\’s Cracker Barrel was in Georgia, where there is no state protection for gay workers, so she was unable to take legal action against the company. There was a shareholder outcry against Cracker Barrel\’s policy, and a decade-long boycott of the restaurant by gays and gay rights activists, leading to the addition of a non-discrimination clause in Cracker Barrel\’s employee policies.
Taken From: Mother Jones.com
http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2006/02/12-week/
This used to be a free country. Now we must associate with deviants whether we like it or not. Why should a deviant\’s \”right\” to work somewhere trump normal people\’s freedom of association?
\”Now we must associate with deviants whether we like it or not.\”
Please explain what you mean by deviant. (Note: Not what the word MEANS but rather who you feel are the deviants.)
The headline for the post I responded to was, \”Uh oh, you\’re gay – well you are SO FIRED!\” So…. hmmmm…. that\’s a hard one to figure out….. what DID I mean by that….?
You changed the headline Tom (duh!). So you could have been talking about anything. I was not rude to you, but you were to me (grow up!). Since you are not very good at getting your point across I will assume you think gay people are \”deviants\”.
That comment alone explains your stupidity.
\”This used to be a free country.\” Guess it isn\’t anymore since Tom thinks people aren\’t free to be homosexual. (And I am heterosexual, for the record).
No wonder the world is getting worse instead of better… ::waits for the bible thumpers to educate me about the sins of homosexuality::
and replace with the word ignorance!
How do I wish to see them treated? That\’s not the issue, though the answer would be: With the same kindness and deference any lost sinner deserves.
But the real question is, How should people who don\’t want sexual deviance in their face all day be treated? Or, How should people be treated who don\’t want to associate with people who carry exotic diseases be treated? And the answer is: To the degree that they control the situation, they should be free not to assiciate with people whose lives are lived in defiance of the laws of nature and of nature\’s God.
As for ignorance, it is the practices of deviants that betray ignorance both of the complementarity of the male and female bodies, and of basic hygene.
I\’m trying to understand your point of view on this. I think I almost have it but I\’m not sure on a couple of issues.
I\’m not sure what you mean by exotic diseases. Are these different from other diseases that normal people get?
I\’m not sure what you mean by sexual deviance in their face
Gay people have AIDS. Heterosexual people don\’t. Wait! That\’s not right. Hmm… exotic diseases? (exotic means Intriguingly unusual or different; excitingly strange) Exotic probably wasn\’t a good choice of words on Tom\’s part. That sodomy comment was posted by Tom\’s doppelganger.
You know what? I should have the freedom to not be preached to about how homosexuality is wrong. But, it doesn\’t stop people.
\”How should people who don\’t want sexual deviance in their face all day be treated?\” So, don\’t sit all day at Cracker Barrel and have a meal. Cook at home. I don\’t want to have ignorant people (hey Tom!) in MY face all day, but it\’s impossible to get away from and so I have to live with it.
\”As for ignorance, it is the practices of deviants that betray ignorance both of the complementarity of the male and female bodies, and of basic hygene.\”
Uhm, gay people don\’t brush? They don\’t shower? That is an asinine comment. Do you shower? Because you smell bad to me. What someone does behind closed doors is none of your business. I am sure you have some type of habit that people would find dysfunctional. How would you feel if someone were to condemn you for your habit? No, gay people shouldn\’t make out in public. But, straight people shouldn\’t either. It\’s just bad manners.
Not sure of your point either. But, I am sure it probably doesn\’t make sense. :)
I couldn\’t resist (subject line)!
I live in Florida, what state do you live in? I am just curious.
As always, I enjoy your posts!
:)
\”hygene\” is spelled with an \”i\”, Chip! Of course, you were porbably home schooled, so never learned that. BWAHAHAHAHA
I\’m in the opposite corner from you. Up here in Washington State.
I agree with Tom, tomorrow I am bringing my pet lion to work so he can bite the head off the the idiot christian i set next to. can\’t stand working next to deviants like christians, catholics, etc.
\”(Those words are from our founding document, the Declaration of Independence, by the way.)\” What is your point? Some of our founding fathers were surely gay. Just because God (etc etc) is in a document written by Americans doesn\’t mean we all have to agree with the thought. And you complain that we used to live in a free country! I am FREE to not want religion shoved down my throat just because it was written in the Declaration of Independence. WHO CARES?!?!? They also wore funny wigs and pants back in the day!
\”Exotic diseases, like AIDS, diseases like hepatitis and cytomegalo virus that result from promiscuous contact with filth.\” I found the following information on encylopedia.com \”A common virus, it is estimated that up to 80% of Americans carry cytomegalovirus by the time they reach adulthood.\” So, it\’s common, yet exotic. Sorry Tom, no dice. Oh and straight people get AIDS and hepatitis too. If you are going to bring up a point, make sure you cross your t\’s and dot your i\’s before you do.
Oh and hey, don\’t some (male) priests spread the word of God (homosexuality is a sin, then go \”sin\” with their (male) personal trainer.
That\’s funny! (It\’s also called hypocrisy).
My ex lives there. I used to not like the state because of him (ha ha) but if you live there it just might be all right. :)
Just curious…
Well, I can\’t wait for the responses to fly now.
Mary B.
Amen!!! Oh wait, I didn\’t mean that in the Christian way though. So, please don\’t let your lion bite my head off. I am not a biblethumper (or reader, for that matter).
Good point!
I keep typing so many posts because people are posting in the meantime. So, sorry about that but I do have a lot to say!
wait; I don\’t like to bathe, either; could I be ga…..?
Can we get rid of the smoking section? might as well get rid of the rest of the deviants. They could be the first deviant free restaurant chain in the country.
Ok. I guess that\’s where I was confused. The exotic diseases you listed are able to be caught by anyone. In fact (And you can disagree or look it up.) The majority of AIDS victims are hetrosexual. It seems like a very broad stroke to label anyone who has these diseases as being deviant.
Are you referring to our founding fathers who owned slaves? Or in Jefferson\’s case had sex with his slaves and had children by them. I wasn\’t sure if you were holding them up in a special esteem or not. If you hold that owning other people and having sex out of wedlock as deviant, then the declaration probably isn\’t a good example to use as it was written by deviants.
There are lots of people where I work that I don\’t want to associate with….So I don\’t. There\’s a big difference between that and saying someone isn\’t allowed to work at the same place because we have differing ideas.
You just said that a pastor in Sweden went to jail for basically having different views and you don\’t think that is right.
Jewel,
I\’d like to apologize on the behalf of my state that your ex chose to live here. The rest of us are very nice folk. :-)
Cytomegalo virus is indeed carried by most people – in their colons. It doesn\’t hurt anything there, but it is very dangerous in the upper GI or the urethra. Hence, its prevalence in sodomists: it goes where it doesn\’t belong during their deviant practices.
Sure, heteros get AIDS and hepatitis, usually from fornication and needle sharing. I guess it would be intolerant to discourage these practices, even though many lives would be saved if these rpactices were discouraged. But these diseases are rampant in the \”gay\” community because of their deviant promiscuity.
So if you hire lots of \”gays\” you will be paying for a lot of sick days. Not to mention that the higher health insurance costs that we all suffer under are in some part the result of the risky deviant sexual practices of 2% of the society.
Oh, and a school child is much more likely to be molested by his teacher than by his priest.
So go ahead and call names now.
Sally Hemings, not Henning, genius.
\”Oh, and a school child is much more likely to be molested by his teacher than by his priest.\” By his biblethumping teacher huh? What was your point on this one? I didn\’t mention anything about a teacher. Your point has no validity in this debate.
By the way, cytomegalovirus is just one word, not two. :) \”Cytomegalovirus is present in body fluids (saliva, semen, cervical secretions, and urine) and can be spread from person to person by sexual contact, kissing, or the sharing of food. It can also be transmitted from mother to fetus.- encyclopedia.com\” Are you married? Did you kiss your wife at the wedding? If you did, you must be a deviant. Your mom is too because she might have given you the cytomegalovirus. \”It doesn\’t hurt anything there, but it is very dangerous in the upper GI or the urethra.- Tom\” This disease is exotic and affects everyone who goes pee. :)
\”Sure, heteros get AIDS and hepatitis, usually from fornication and needle sharing. I guess it would be intolerant to discourage these practices, even though many lives would be saved if these rpactices were discouraged.\” So now gays are deviants as well as unmarried people who have sex. (I assume you saved yourself for marriage then?) I like how you say that many lives would be saved if people didn\’t fornicate. What does that have to do with anything (provided they use protection or are \”clean\”)??? So, you don\’t condone needle sharing (I don\’t either) but you do condone drug use? (I don\’t feel it\’s right but who am I to judge?)
\”So if you hire lots of \”gays\” you will be paying for a lot of sick days.\” Lots of companies lump sick and vacation days together and they are paid no matter if the person goes to Hawaii or the hospital. I could call out of work because I am just plain sick of going into the office. Not sure of your point on this one either.
\”Not to mention that the higher health insurance costs that we all suffer under are in some part the result of the risky deviant sexual practices of 2% of the society.\” And they are in some part due to the unfortunate reality that is cancer, ms, muscular dystrophy, etc. You are complaining about 2% of society driving up the cost of healthcare? Does that even make a dent??
I didn\’t call you any names unless you count genius. (Which of course was sarcasm).
Sorry, rather than validity I should have said \”relevance\”. I got all fired up.
B-
Dark hole huh? ROFL. I don\’t know where you come up with this stuff but you crack me up.
Have a good evening Jewel.
I understand what you are saying Aunti, and I agree. You should be allowed to state your opinion.
The difference is that Tom was stating we should be allowed to discriminate based on sexuality. That\’s where the opinion turns into hate speech. It would be the same if he were saying black people should be slaves again. When speech is used to incite harm or hate that\’s where it crosses the line.
I disagree with your premise that discriminating on sexuality is hate speech. Hate speech is inciting violence or threat of violence towards a protected class. None of protected classes are voluntary. Some studies show homosexuality may be genetic, but even if this is the case, it is still voluntarily expressed. You don\’t HAVE to have sex with same sex partners just because you are born with homosexual tendencies. Regardless of genetics, participating in homosexuality is a choice. Everyone has the option of being abstinent.
I particulary abhor the use of the \”hate speech\” card just because a person does not agree with conservative Biblical views of life. I do not cry that your denouncing of my personal religious beliefs as \”hate speech\”, why should my views be considered hate speech simply because I don\’t have the same opinion as you?
Hate speech from the encyclopedia.
Hate speech is a controversial term for speech intended to degrade, intimidate, or incite violence or prejudicial action against a person or group of people based on their race, gender, age, ethnicity, national origin, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, language ability, moral or political views, socioeconomic class, occupation or appearance (such as height,weight, and hair color). The term covers written as well as oral communication and some forms of behaviors in a public setting. It is also sometimes called antilocution and is the first point on Allport\’s scale which measures prejudice in a society.
There ya go. And I never said anything about your personal religious beliefs. Unless of course you mean that your religous belief says we need to discriminate against people based on the above. Then, uh, yeah I guess I did. Sorry.
But that was my opinion which you defend. Understand the difference now?
I found the information below on answers.com. Unlike Troll, I do not make up definitions of words.
\”hate speech
n.
Bigoted speech attacking or disparaging a social or ethnic group or a member of such a group.\”
\”In Canada, advocating genocide or inciting hatred against any \’identifiable group\’ is an indictable offense under the Canadian Criminal Code with maximum terms of two to fourteen years. An \’identifiable group\’ is defined as \’any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.\’ It makes exceptions for cases of statements of truth, and subjects of public debate and religious doctrine.\”
Hmm… \”I disagree with your premise that discriminating on sexuality is hate speech. Hate speech is inciting violence or threat of violence towards a protected class. None of protected classes are voluntary.\” Well, it\’s too bad you disagree but that\’s the DEFINITION. You can\’t argue with a definition unless you can get Funk & Wagnalls to change it in their reference books. Also, you say none of the protected classes are voluntary. \’I do not cry that your denouncing of my personal religious beliefs as \”hate speech\”\’ Religion is a protected class. Hmm, but religion isn\’t voluntary. Did someone FORCE you to be Christian, Methodist, Catholic? I suppose you\’re allowed to have an opinion that contradicts FACTS, but you will never be able to back that opinion up (as one would in a debate- which is essentially what we are doing).
\”Some studies show homosexuality may be genetic, but even if this is the case, it is still voluntarily expressed. You don\’t HAVE to have sex with same sex partners just because you are born with homosexual tendencies. Regardless of genetics, participating in homosexuality is a choice. Everyone has the option of being abstinent.\” Then, I ask that you please abstain. I don\’t want you procreating. (By the way, I never said anything attacking your religion. Feel free to go to church. Feel free to NOT shove your beliefs down my throat and ask me to treat a human being differently because he/she is gay.
Lastly, this just a funny little side note. My gay guy friend calls the ugly gay guys \”trolls\”. I just find that to be hysterical.
Good Morning Jewel.
Very nice post. Well said.
Have you noticed that quite a bit of our posts have been removed?
I love the irony since we were discussing free speech. :-)
yes, many missing posts. it appears the troll and tom are the same \”person\” (sorry but can\’t call \’em human). Jewel you took the words right out of my mouth regarding hate speech, protects classes, religion and homo/hetero -sexuality. Tom, er Troll is a very uneducated person indeed. I hope he does not decide to breed.
I shouldn\’t have said those things. I apologize to everyone.
Uh, okay. Another doppelganger post?
I don\’t know whether:
a) that is really Tom and he really is apologizing.
b) that is not Tom but someone thinks he should apologize
c) that is really Tom and he digs sarcasm.
I\’m hoping for a. Speaking of, B, where have you been posting at all day?
I hope everyone has a good evening.
See you tomorrow!
Not sure how working with an employee who is gay can be so troubling to some people.
I worked with many gays when I was younger, we worked hard together, partied even harder together and we were all good friends.
If someone is acting appropriately at the workplace, how would you know they were gay in the first place?
PS: Jewel and B obviously need more work to do during the day. (;>P)
Is your last name \”O\’Donnell?
You people are obviously members of the lunatic fringe. When you are supposed to be working, you\’re taking your company\’s time to get into venting your venom about other peoples\’ business. Now, go back to work.
Good one! I am sure Rosie hasn\’t heard (read) that one before.
By the way, there have been A LOT of people who have posted since Rosie. Next time you might want to make it clear who you are talking to because others might not get your joke (overused and not that funny).
Also, do you have a point to make or are you just TRYING to be funny?
Just curious…
That\’s the point of this website. To POST your thoughts. Maybe I am on break. Maybe I am the boss. Maybe this IS my job. Why don\’t YOU go back to work and stop reading this on company time?
Come on, it\’s ok, we welcome you into the world of crazy!
Jewel, You seem to have had a little too much coffee. Rosie – and you – seem a little too caffeinated
I agree with the \”King\”, that you people have too much time on your hands. As for the discussion; in the words of Paula Jones\’s sister, these skirts at the Cracker Barrell – they \”smelt money\”.
Join the club of people with too much time on their hands. This is your second post today- and that is just on this thread.
By the way, I don\’t drink coffee. But, you\’re obviously drinking something much harder than coffee. Or maybe you\’re just smoking something.
\”Jewel, You seem to have had a little too much coffee. Rosie – and you – seem a little too caffeinated\” A little redundant, don\’t you think?
Coffee is a beverage, caffeine is a stimulant that is found in coffee. There is no redundancy when describing that perhaps you drink a lot of coffee because you seem caffeinated. It is like saying you are stoned because you smoked pot, or that you are drunk because you drank too much alcohol.
After your last posting though, I would conclude it is more like methamphetamine. Please, go home, put on some make-up, shave your armpits and take off your combat boots, put away your dominatrix get-up and try to enjoy life a little. The glass is not always half empty.
If you could follow a conversation I might have had a fighting chance. I was trying to save you from excessive typing since you\’re supposed to be working and all. Since I am hyped up on caffeine through coffee drinking and Rosie is \”caffeinated\” perhaps you could have just described us both at the same time.
And yeah \”there is no redundancy when describing that perhaps you drink a lot of coffee because you seem caffeinated. It is like saying you are stoned because you smoked pot, or that you are drunk because you drank too much alcohol\” is kind of redundant. It\’s like saying 6 AM in the morning. I bet you are one of those people who say things like that, aren\’t you?
By the way, I didn\’t insult you first. Please grow up. I bet you wouldn\’t say that to my face (you\’d be scared I\’d kick you with my steel toe boots). Too bad I am the kind of woman who wears cute shoes :)
Thanks for playing- your game is now over.
score:
Jewel: 4 points
Big Insurance: (big) Zero
we got us a love connection; I see real sparks between Big Insurance and Jewel…
back in 2 and 2…
Jewel, you get out your best cute shoes, and Big I, you just be yourself…love is in the air.
Plus, you get this new livingroom set from Broyhill…
Thanks, Rosie. You\’re a doll.
PS. Is Jewel a little \”OCD\”? I see her name as having been compelled to impose her opinion on practically every article. You know what they say about us neanderthals – read \”men\”. (By the way, how come there are no female cavewomen in the GEICO commercials?)
\”PS. Is Jewel a little \”OCD\”? I see her name as having been compelled to impose her opinion on practically every article.\”
That\’s because I don\’t change my name every time I post on this site. Big Insurance- how many different names have you used? And, obsessive… maybe… compulsive… not so much. Oh, and there are easily 20 times as many articles on here that I have NOT responded to in some way, shape or form. In order for your arguments to have validity, they need to be accurate. Oh, you were probably exaggerating. Kind of like calling yourself BIG Insurance huh? :)
Thanks for playing- keep the insults coming. Perhaps you will hit upon a valid insult one of these days.
So Jewel-tell us neandrathals a little more about your cute shoes-are they cute like girls say are cute or are they hot like guys think are hot????
wasn\’t it shoe comments that started this whole thing?
\”say, like your shoes; they really look good; ok if I slop a little gravy…yeah…you got the look, babe\”
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And finally, here\’s cousin Kittle. Sumthin\’ wasn\’t right about Kit; he used to chase the dog, the chickins, the school bus, trucks on the intrastate. Needless to say, Kit didn\’t get much book learnin\’, but he did help us locate the finest jams and jellies we could find before his untimely demise behind that manure spreader out on I-40.
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Be sure to where shoes; no shirt, no shoes, no service. Make yourself at home, though.
I have both kinds of shoes.
But, that is an entirely different matter.
First of all, I really would like for people to stop putting words in my mouth. (or into my posts).
I am not a manhater at all and I never said or IMPLIED that I was one. If anyone would like to show me a specific comment *I* made to back this up, please do so. Otherwise, just shut up.
Oh, and men are not \”neanderthals\” (used here to mean ignorant or stupid)… I never said or IMPLIED that either.
So, let\’s all grow up and stop attacking people for things they NEVER said (or implied). Attacking them for things they did say is another story.
welcome to politics!
Hi Jewel
Actually, I was just trying to have a little fun and lighten things up, although I am glad that you have some really hot shoes too :))). You do some cool posts and are a breath of fresh air.
I figured as much. ;)
I apologize; I wasn\’t getting on you about that remark (not much anyway).
I just don\’t like people screaming and yelling at me when they have misunderstood my words (whether my fault- I realize I am not always 100% clear- or theirs).
Thanks for the compliments. I think you are pretty groovy too…
::zips up her leather stilleto boots::
:)
Jewel…you don’t write or call anymore…I hope you are alright even though you do sound like a man hater…funny how the years have changed this story…wish Rosie would write, too.
!!!!!!
You do realize that insurance geeks aren\’t built to handle smokin\’ hotties like you, Jewel???
Thanks though-you\’ve made my day and brought a smile to my lips…you got style hun, don\’t change a bit and I hear that zipper even now!
dude walter your a friggin creep.
What happened to Rosie? We had auch a good post going, too…it’s only been 2 years or so…If only Rosie would stop and read the original story, I’m sure she would become inflamed again…I’m afraid O’Bama will run out of cabinet appointees with tax problems soon, and if Rosie doesn’t come back, oh, what a pity.