So, Barry called Scott Brown to express a willingness to work with him and “struggling families” throughout the country. Hey Barry, they are struggling because of your punishing taxes, spending and high unemployment. Go back to Chicago.
This was the smack in the face this administration needed. The question now is will they wake up and listen to the people or will they push this piece of crap even further down our throats. They’re all too busy pointing fingers at one another instead of manning up and doing what they were elected to do…..work FOR THE PEOPLE…not against them.
Cheers to the new revolution and more results like this in November.
No… not “not being a Democrat”, he ran on conservative principles. Just because he’s got an (R-MA) after his name doesn’t mean anything about what kind of politician he’ll be or how he’ll vote on things.
It doesn’t matter what he ran on, he got elected not because he has anything particularly great to offer but because he is a not-democrat. That’s how the two party system works, and it’s one of the reasons why we have such incompetant leadership in Washington. Just my opinion, of course.
If you listened to what the people of Massachusettes said, they did not vote “against” Democrats..they voted “for” what Scott stands for, which is:
Strong Military that doesn’t provide defense lawyers to terrorists trying to kill us.
Small Goverment.
Promotion of Capitalism.
He’s against the Healthcare Reform currently on the table.
In short, he was elected, because the most liberal group in the country, the State of Massachusettes, is rejecting Obama’s policies and the specific manner in which Democrats are carrying out Obama’s orders.
But, as expected, Obama and the Democrats still don’t get it. They are dismissing the fact that American’s don’t want their crap and acting like holy saviors of us stupid people who know not what we need.
So we are, or are not, in agreement? You said he was elected because the population of Massachusetts rejected Obama and the Democrats’ policies and methods. I reviewed Scott Brown’s website to see what his plan is and all I got was a bunch of boilerplate conservative talking points and a couple of personal ideas. No specific plans. I am hoping he at least has a good track record to back up these “beliefs”. I happen to share a lot of his beliefs, but that doesn’t mean I have all the answers or would be a good senator.
Today Rush opened his show by saying “For the first time in my life I am proud of Massachusetts.” Then he said “This one’s for you, Mary Jo, and for you, Judge Bork.” Loved it.
What a cruel and heartless comment, I’m a Republican but to make this kind of statement merely shows how ignorant you really are! Grow up, if you can’t say something nice or constructive then SHUT UP
“What a cruel and heartless comment, I’m a Republican but to make this kind of statement merely shows how ignorant you really are! Grow up, if you can’t say something nice or constructive then SHUT UP”
Maxine, I wonder if the family of Mary Jo Kopechne, who the almighty Sen. Kennedy left dying at the bottom of the bay feel the same way?
The so called “Progressive” movement has infected the democratic party. Not all democrats are this crazy. I think MA last night proved the democrats are more in line with Bill Clinton than Obama and his socialist or communist administration.
THEY JUST DONT LISTEN TO US!
Here is a quote from the one guy who has visited the White house more than anyone else since Obama took office last year. 27 times he has visited the Whitehouse.
Service Employees International Union President Andy Stern said “the vote should be a “wake-up call” for Democrats that “now is the time for bold action.”
“The reason Ted Kennedy’s seat is no longer controlled by a Democrat is clear: Washington’s inability to deliver the change voters demanded in November 2008. Make no mistake, political paralysis resulted in electoral failure,” Stern said.
YOU CAN FOLLOW HIS ADVICE RIGHT OVER THE CLIFF IF YOU WANT. THEY STILL DO NOT GET IT!
The tax rate, spending, unemployment is basically the same as it was when Barry came to office. All that got worse under Bush, except for a tax break for the wealthiest earners. That break expired this year. That is why I used the term “basically”. Other than that, nothing that has occured in this administration has caused what we are experiencing now. The Right Wing Lie machine is in full force…
He got elected because he’s NOT a Dem. Just like anyone could have run against McCain and won becuase they weren’t Rep.
Well, that and he did have a beautiful centerfold back in the 80’s. SMOKIN’ HOT! LOL First Nude Senator in Mass (Well, considering Ted Kennedy was the prior, I’d say thank God for that)
But kidding aside. what difference will it make? There aren’t two parties anymore. Anyone who believes there are either bows down to Pelosi or kneels before Rush. There is one party- it consists of “how much will Wall Street pay us and how much can we steal from Main Street.”
Plain and simple – Obama is too liberal for Massachuesetts. Now how about the rest of the country? How about the middle of the Country.
If you are a dem in congress, you better start an exit plan on healthcare reform or you might want to post your resume on Monsterjobs.com, because you are fired.
Well anyone is an improvement over Ted Kennedy…He would have been in jail rather than politics is his name had been Jones or Smith…Mary Jo was just one of many cowardly acts…I agree with Rush on this one.
Haiti, before the EQ, would be your dream country. No gov’t regulation, no social safety net, just the strongest and smartest gorging themselves at the expense of everyone else. Is that what you want, if so, I’m sure there are plenty of underdeveloped third world countries that you’d love. By the way, does anyone remember or even care about the 45,000 uninsured who died last year due to lack of health insurance? Hooray for Capitalism is more like Piggy for Greed! Bye, bye.
Personally the fact that he kept getting re-elected proved to me that Mass should be kicked out of the US. Who could possibly keep voting in a lying murdering coward?????? A bunch of morons, IMHO.
Yeah, one set of rules for the Dems and another for the rest of us. There is no room for arrogance in this country! How about Michelle’s 20+ assistants when Hilary had three and Laura had one. They just don’t get it!
For Spread the Wealth, if you’d do some reading you’d know that the wealth in this country is already getting spread. The top 0.01 percent of earners in the US control 6% of all the country’s wealth. This is a 900% gain, according to TIME, over the last 30 years. Hope your part of the top 0.01%. This gain is primarily due to the the “R” tax policies favoring the wealty and Wall Street. Look it up! If current trends continue, the US will resemble a third world economy with a few at the top controlling the majority of the country’s wealth while the middle class slides backwark. Does anyone read??
As I see it, OB’s win was not a “victory” for the Dems, it was defeat of the Far Right conservatives in the republican party. Just as this vote was not a “victory” for the Reps, it was a vote against the Far Left liberals of the democratic party.
Let’s hope the politicos stop catering to the 15% of the wackos on the far left and the 15% of the wackos on the far right. It’s time to realize that the 70% of us in the middle, (the ones who pay for it all) are the ones who should be listened to.
Forget catering to your parties “base”. If you want to stay in office, you better start catering to the desires of the independents who don’t care if you’re labeled a “republican” or a “democrat”.
Don’t let anyone think that this is a vote to return to right wing conservatives. This is a statement to move towards the middle.
absolutely agree. Check out Michael Smerconish some time if you don’t like Rush or Olberman. He’s right in the middle and goes for the issue before the party.
Fred,
I do know Government has never gotten us out of a recession. I would tell government to do the following.
1. Just get out of our way.
2. Dont raise taxes.
3. Stop Spending
4. Kill terrorist – torture them if you wish.
5. Let companies fail, thats how new companies are created out of need.
6. Get out of bed with special interest groups, UNIONS!.
I would certainly not keep spending money we dont have. One thing liberal loons will not admit, We have doubled our total national debt since Obama took office 1 year ago. (fact)
Hey, Dude! A democrat that has awakened from their drunken stupor. You think blaming Bush is going to work. Unemployment was not 17% under Bush, GM was owned by stockholders, not Obama, and you are totally glossing over the fact that Dodd and Frank created the mortgage mess. Just keep drinking and go back to sleep, you moron.
Fred, It really is getting old, and at some point you have to start taking some responsibility for the actions of congress.
How long has congress been controled by democrats? what year was it? 2006. When did the Bush administration request a review and reforms of Fannie and Freddie. Who was it that opposed the reforms so much. Could it be Bwarney Fwank and Countrywide Bank friend Chris Dodd.
The financial mess originates with Fannie Freddie and Wallstreet, ie; Goldman boys, Paulson, Gietner and Bernake.
Stop blaming Bush, who had nothing to do with the collapse and start focusing on what the Progressive Liberal Loons are doing to our country now!
Dude was saying those problems started before Obama, its like all you people forgot this economy was in the dumps before Obama got here. We shouldn’t blame our problems on any single person, Bush or Obama. A lot of people contributed to the problems you mentioned and that fact that you blame it all on Obama and the dems is just disheartening.
Let’s take a ‘gift’ budget surplus and turn it into a budget deficit so cripling that the successor (in this case, Obama and Co.) is limited to improve the economy and the condition of the middle and lower class.
Let’s make up reasons to go to war in Iraq just because one President is afraid to go down in history as being a wimp. Then let’s mess that war up so badly (debathification) an insergency bogs down the US and kills many good and decent US milatary men and women. Let’s change our reasons monthly for going there in the first place (WMD, get rid of Hussien, give them democracy, nation build).
Let’s suck-up to the elderly vote and create the largest ($1.2 billion) government expansion of healthcare (Medicare Part D), finance it entirely by deficit spending, preclude the US government to from using it’s purchasing power to control drug costs (for our doners/friends at the drug companies)and therefore leave no chance to control the cost of this rediculously complicated program. Then we should have the architects of this bill (Chuck Grassley) and other Repbulicans who voted for it (Brownback, Hatch, Boener etc.) criticize the heck out of any further expansion (and lie about it too!) that will help many other people besides the elderly (who mostly vote Republican).
Let’s make an overfed, drug addicted, filandering pig our moral standard bearer.
Let’s say the nation is going to hell with the current guy is President when, in reality, all he is trying to do is dig the country out of the mess we were in when he got here. While we are at it, let’s call him everything from a socialist to a fascist.
Sound like a plan?
anan.. Barry set himself up for this with this prophetical rhetoric during the campaign. Don’t you remember? The seas would begin to recede, the earth would begin to heal itself, the world would once again begin to see our country in a new way. We would be loved by the Mid-East. Venezuela would be our allies. YES WE CAN!
If they did this they could claim victory now and in the 2010 midterms.
1. Go to the republicans, come up with a bipartisan bill about 20 or 30 pages which gives us the following.
a. Health insurance porability, you cannot lose your coverage when you lose your job.
b. Carriers can write coverage across state lines.
c. No limited pre-existing conditions on policies.
d. Pharmacutical companies must charge us the same as they charge oversees or canada.
e. Tort reform for medical malpractice.
f. Carriers cannot charge more for self pay than you do for people who have coverage.
Do this and pass the bill unanamously with both democrats and republicans on board. nothing too controversial. CLAIM VICTORY NOW and in 2010.
Move on after that, and move away from Moveon.org.
That is the secret of success for democrats. You have to realize that Obama is not a real democrat, he is a progressive. The two are miles apart. One still believes in capitalism the other is a socialist at best and a communist at worst.
1). Blame Bush instead of assuming responsibilty.
2). Spend Money.
3). Apologize to the widdle terrorists. Try to make friends with the people that think nothing of strapping a bomb vest onto a child and sending them into a crowded marketplace.
4). Whoops, that didn’t work. Repeat steps 1-3 as necessary.
reaper. This is what political discourse has come to. Calling the other guy a moron and acusing him of taking drugs and drinking while refusing to come up with any sensible counter argument. You might want to see of O’Rielly has any openings on his show.
It has been over a year now, how long can the Bush is the cause for everything go on for? Ok your guy is in where is the change as promised? Ok mistakes were made as with all presidents, Clinton pardons Criminals and terrorists,enough already…show some change, show some progress, keep the deals on the table and out of the backrooms, They are all smart people but Bush has not been in office for a while now and in this race I did not see his name on the ballot…get over it. Gas up the truck baby :-)
Calm down everyone–football analogy to follow. With 2 minutes left in healthcare–and the Dems leading 41-0 Brown scored on a miraculous catch for an 80 yd score. They missed “the point” after. Final Score 41-6 (alas the shut-out was averted).
I think, Medicare Part D. is proof that the Republicans are very good at #2. They are the masters. But, they criticize others who take the same course of action. Question for you:
How many of the last Republican Presidents actually lowered the deficit instead of pushing it up exponentially? Did you know that last Bush never even put Iraq war spending into the budget??
#3 never happened.
“Cmon Man” you have got to be on drugs or something. Here is our plan.
Sit back and watch you guys run our country in the ground. Watch as you liberal loons just argue with each other with an emotional outburst of factless ridicule.
How many votes does the house and the senate really need to pass legislation.
218 in the house, Dems have 253.
51 in the Senate Dems have 59 now. was 60. One thing you forget the republicans do not matter all of your problems are between democrats not republicans. Democrats are at odds with the american people not republcans. You can not figure this out, you keep wanting to blame Bush for your failures but you can only look into the mirror now.
Go ahead and follow the likes of Ried, Peolosi, or Andy Stern of SEIU, who visited the whitehouse more than any other person this year at 27 visits. He said the following
Service Employees International Union President Andy Stern said the vote should be a “wake-up call” for Democrats that “now is the time for bold action.”
“The reason Ted Kennedy’s seat is no longer controlled by a Democrat is clear: Washington’s inability to deliver the change voters demanded in November 2008. Make no mistake, political paralysis resulted in electoral failure,” Stern said.
GO AHEAD AND FOLLOW THIS LOON OFF THE CLIFF IF YOU WISH. OUR PLAN IS JUST TO WATCH.
Allen, I know the democratic party hijackers you call progressives will not follow my advice and will kill themselves trying to push a socialist agenda on an unwanting american people.
When the Dems lose Massachusetts, You know your out of touch with the real Democrats. The democrats need to take back their own party and run the likes of Michael Moore, George Soros, Andy Stern and yes, their mesiah, Obama out and get back to their roots.
Michael Moore, Andy Stern, Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Even Harry Ried. Are not real Democrats. These guys are using their party. They do not believe in the fundamental values of the party but rather a vision of utopia of an intrusive Government being the answer to all of our concerns and their being no wealthy people just the government employees at the top of the economic ladder. a lower middle class strugling to get by but a safety net for everyone. They want a european government.
The will destroy the real Democratic Party to get it! Make no mistakes about it. They do not care about the Party or the People. Just “Change” “A fundamental change of social and economic justice”
Makes sense to me. Wow, I agree with you again. Cool.
I think we need to be more in the middle now a days and do what is best that makes fiscal sense while still promoting the general abundance for the american people.
Going back to one of Mike’s and a few others post regarding Bush. Both Bush and Obama are guilty of running up our national debt. If you look at what Obama is doing with spending, he’ll double what Bush spent.
But, I still think Bush is one of the worst as far a policy goes just for implementing the Military Commissions Act of 2006 and the abuse of signing statements as well as others. But those two alone stand out enough.
I am troubled that Barney Frank and Obama’s team
think they know better or are better than us the American wroking person.What happen top transparency and change? the fix is in for the unions and the chosen ones. This is not a Demo or Repub issue …this is an issue of controling us..I am disapointed in them.
At least my comments have substance. What flavor kool-aid are you drinking today? Just listen to the rest of America, okay? Your points are senseless and you look like a fool.
Allan, and I totally agree with you on that. The irresponsible spending by this administration the last 12 months is more than what Bush spent during his entire administration; and that includes the wars. What doesn’t the left get?
I understand what Obama is trying to accomplish but, I don’t think he’s going about it the correct way.
We have a huge spending problem on our hands and if something isn’t done soon, America will have to shut it’s doors…so to speak. We’ll go bankrupt and our kids and grand kids will suffer.
Thank you Alan Grayson. I understand your frustration. I would like to see health care reform just as much as the next logical person. But the way this whole legislation is playing out. It’s not all that great. At least fiscally. Not to mention all the kick backs that were made. I mean if your for the american people and good reform, why would you ***** out your vote for it?
Why can’t this “greatest nation on earth” get this right? We should be smarter than that.
Wel,, that they probable hav. And that this is on your newsletter probably confirms that we have a Republican Insurance Comissioner now, and NO benefits as far as fraud goes.
Obama’s plan was crashing long before Brown was elected.
If Obama was smart, he would have seized the opportunity to “save face” by admitting defeat in voting numbers and going back to the drawing board for Republican ideas.
He could have then looked like the bipartisan president he sold himself as, and looked like a winner!
Fortunately, he’s not smart, so the democrats will be fired and will lose control of Congress. It’s almost like Congress has developed a welfare/entitlement mentality too…when they lose their jobs in November, they still get paid, so why work????????
So, then what happens to the new Republican politicians that are voted into office and they screw it all up? Seems like we’ve been down this road before. The wrong people keep getting voted in.
I think a lot of it has to with people keep voting on emotion after the previous people in office seemed to screwed things up.
Curiosity Allan. Who are the right people? All of the political parties, right left liberal libertarian and whatever seem to be way off base. I agree, Obama got elected for not being Bush and Brown got a lot of votes for not being Democrat. At this time there really don’t seem to be any political leaders, just loons on all sides. Then again, the 24 hour fill up the tv and radio with rants right and left may just be turning us all negative. I’m interested as to who is your savior here Allan. I just don’t see any real national politicians I like at this point.
You hit the nail on the head. Obama got elected for not being Bush and Brown got a lot of votes for not being Democrat.
Moreover, I think Obama got elected for not being a Republican and the Democrats taking the house and senate back in 06 are a reflection of that.
Now were faced with the same thing only in reverse. People will more likely lean toward Republicans and Independents than Democrats. At least that’s what the landscape is starting to look like. And we’re only 1 year into this.
In my own personal opinion, I think the Democrats have good intentions on health care reform and other issues but, are going about it entirely the wrong way.
You might want to get your facts straight about the so called budget surplus…
1. Anytime a government agency has a surplus, i.e. social security, they are required by law to buy government debt with the money.
2. The money used to buy the government debt was then used to pay down the national debt (money owed to citizens, corporations, and foreign countries)
3. The social security surplus was looted by Clinton to pay down the national debt.
4. Social security is set to run out of money.
5. The national debt that Clinton paid down becuase of his “surplus” was really nothing short of deficit spending.
And the surplus that was created in social security, lets look at this:
1. Internet/dot com bubble creating extra tax revenues for the country
2. Less recipients of social security (remember, this wasn’t the baby boomers collecting yet)
Go to the US Treasury and read the laws and the facts. There has not been a president in the last 40-50 years that has ever posted a budget that is in the “black.” The Clinton era surplus is one of the biggest myths in American Politics.
I voted for Obama and don’t regret it, because I think he is a good leader and don’t think McCain would have made a better president. I wish the Dems hadn’t won a supermajority, because you can see what they do with it. But that’s not my fault; I voted Republican in ’08 for my state’s congressional seats. I don’t like the Executive and Legislative branches controlled by the same party and may start adjusting my votes in the future based the likely outcome. Having the Dems in control of Congress does not really force Obama to be the bipartisan leader he campaigned as. This 2010 backlash is a good thing and will force him to be the leader we voted for or expose him as a fraud.
I really do hope that the so-called “awakening” results in a changed voting public. We need to stop voting for Republicans and Democrats because they “believe” this or that. We need to stop electing career politicians and start putting people from the real world into office; true fiscal conservatives who understand that cutting taxes means you actually have to SHRINK the size of government, at the expense of some for the good of all.
I’ll admit I voted for Obama- not because I loved his politics, but because one step away from the presidency and one step away from Rush’s lunacy Palin scared the crap out of me.
IMHO Obama is as far out left as Palin is out right.
I am still bitter about Hillary not getting the nomination after taking home the popular vote.
I also love Ron Paul, but since he’s not a nut job and actually has logical ideas about the country he didn’t stand a chance yet. Hopefully now that we’ve learned that voting on gay or abortion rights doesn’t help the country at large we’ll start voting for people who aren’t preaching morality but are after prosperity for the country. Auditing the FED would be awesome, but unfortunately common sense doesn’t win votes.
BTW- I am pro choice and think denying gays equal rights is unconstitutional, but I’m smart enough to realize that moral issues aren’t what’s going to hand this county over to Mexico or China. Wish everyone else realized that.
Dont worry Dems who die can still vote. Just go to Chicago or any other democrat and Accorn controled Gerimandered district. And you guys are upset at the Nebraska deal or the Louisiana purchase or the Florida Medicare payoff.
Isnt it Ironic that Harry Ried and Nancy Pelosi came up with the term during the Bush adminstration of “Culture of Coruption”. LOL LOL…….
If it were not for the corrupt Union bosses, Strong arm of Accorn or the Money of a foriegner like George Soros, The Democrats would not have 10 Senators or 100 Congressmen. They are that corrupt and out of touch.
No not really, Freddy
Haiti, like many poor countries is a historical dictatorship where capitalism has never been nurtured or appreciated and where the best and brightest have to leave rather than be poor improvershed and longing for the liberty we offer.
Get your facts straight buddy
I’m an old man now but honestly Ronnie Reagan would be a better president alive with alzheimers or dead in his grave than any of the jokers who have come and gone since.
Sorry kiddies, but he beat inflation, whipped the commies and made us feel really good about being Americans. “Tear down the wall Mr. Gorbachev”-how simple and elegant.
God Bless him and I hope that someone, ANYONE will step forward to be at least the shadow of that great man
So, I came across this small time blogger and he some intresting things to say regarding the 2 parties that we have in office. Check it:
I think our only hope is to begin electing independent and minor-party candidates to House and Senate offices, in sufficient numbers to deny control of the government to either major party. And those new representatives must learn to listen to their voting constituencies rather than their funding constituencies, must involve US in OUR government, and must legislate in OUR interests. I’ll vote for a candidate who will pledge those things whether he or she is conservative or liberal, is a Green, Blue or whatever. But I will no longer support a political party that doesn’t support me–and neither of these parties can or will.
This reinvention of our democracy seems like a long, slow process, and we don’t have much time, because many of our systems are in danger of collapse. But the Republican Party was organized on February 28, 1854, and took majority control of the House and the Senate, and elected Lincoln as President in the November election of 1860–just eighty months later. Already in the 1854 and ’58 elections, with the help of some other parties, they denied majority control of the House to the Democrats. If we could follow that example, we could have a new government by 2016. Suppose it took us four years longer–even eight.
that too many sheeple are stuck with that mentality that they MUST vote for the R or the D. They throw insults at ‘those Dems’ or “those Repubs’.
There are too few of us that have figured out that there is only 1 party. The party of ‘what will Wall Street pay me and how much can I steal from Main Street’.
For Az Agent, Ronnie benefited from Carters’ appointment of Paul Volker to head the Fed. Volker ran the interest rates into double digit terroritory as that was the only way to get out the excess dollars in the system. That in turn caused the resessesion that Ronnie benefitted from when it ended. Ronnie also was the first Presidnet to introduce us to “supply side” economics. There were also several factors in play thay lead to the downfall of the Soviet Union, Ronnie’s increase in defense spending was one. Good day!!
Walter, If the hands off approach to running a country or an economy is so superior, can you point to just one successful country that has a hands off approach to ecomonic policy. No, for a reason. People tend to be greeedy and corrupt and without the hand of gov’t in place to curb abuses, you have poverty, abuse and a totally unfair and non-working system. Gov’t reg. doesn’t just happen, there is generally a reason for it to be implemented. It helps level the playing field and provides a sense of fairness.
Dawn and Allan, I’m with you. But I don’t necessarily agree with the sheeple idea. I think the disengagement of the 70’s-90’s generations might actually be paying off today, by giving the subsequent generations a clean slate. I don’t know anyone under 50 who is a passionate follower of one of the two major political parties, and “would never” vote the other way.
Look at the breakdown of the Massachusetts voters that the news organizations have been reporting. Independents/Not Affiliated > 50%?!? That was shocking to me, especially for a state that is continuously characterized as the most liberal in the nation. If you consider the margin by which Obama defeated McCain in 2008, and the margin by which Brown defeated Coakley barely 14 months later, it is clear that Independents are crying out for leadership . . . and that need is not being met. And since it’s only been a year since Bush left office, Independents still remember and know that Republicans are not the answer.
An angry and motivated center of the country is what is needed to break the Democrat/Republican see-saw.
It’s a good idea, in theory…Problem is, even if you get a majority voting for an independent party candidate, what about the electoral college? they’re not required to vote with the majority in their state. Historically, third pary candidates have not fared well in national elections (exception of Joe Lieberman). Even if and independent candidate has a “strong showing” and finishes with up to 10% of the vote, does it really matter? Instead of forming a different party, why not focus on nominating the RIGHT candidates?
Yeah, I’m all for middle ground and neutrality. But, it seems that everyone is whipped up into a frenzy and is either on one side or the other.
I was watching Glen Beck last night and he had he his magnet photos and black board and so on, describing who’s on the far left and far right. Well, he named his usual on the far left but left the far right empty. Why? Just when I thought he was on to something he does what he always does, pretends to be neutral and then fakes you out. And the brain dead folk don’t even know it and believe everything he says.
My aunt drives me crazy when she mentions this guy.
Allan, the good thing is that you watched him whether or not you completely agree with him. If more people would actually take the time and get BOTH sides of an issue instead of going blindly with what one side says, we’d all be better off. I used to be fairly liberal-minded until I started listening to some shows on talk radio so I could “hear what the other side is saying about us”. It wasn’t long before I found myself agreeing with a lot of the opinions; not all of them, but at least I understood the arguments better.
Oh, totally!!! I watch and listen to them all. I try to take it all in so it gives a balanced view. Sometimes it’s hard not to turn the station when they all start their political grand standing and childish rants. And it’s all idelogical. That does NO one any good.
is the first thing that is way overdue to be abolished. Back when it took two weeks to get from Ca to Washington DC it was necessary. Now it’s just a group of elites that think they’re votes are worth more then ours. Reminds me of the Federal Reserve.
They were NOT elected, they were NOT chosen by the public. They were handed these positions by cronies and buddies.
Popular vote should be popular vote.
Unfortunately, it’s the far wing nutjobs that get all the publicity.
Take a look at Pat Robertson- HELLO? Can they get any bat**** crazier? Katrina hit because of abortion and Haiti got the earthquake because of the deal with the devil they made to get out from under France…. Um…. yep. How many people actually listen to that crap? He’s grabbed how many headlines with that?
Rush- he’s another one. right wing certifiable nut job. So many nuts listen to him that they’re fighting over whether he’s the defacto leader of the Repub party.
Pelosi- illegal lovin’ welfare braggin’ skank if I ever saw one. Yet millions of people listen to her.
Michael Moore- again, certifiable- but lots of followers
Sarah Palin- yep, another one If foreign relations are staring at Russia from her porch, what would be healthcare? Watching General Hospital? Even John McCain (who I feel is very middle of the road and I would have voted for before Palin came along) now says she’s nuts.
Seems the crazier you are the more headlines and followers you get. People that follow them SHOULD be watching american idol and leave the voting to the sane people.
Ron Paul- very middle of the road, very disinterested in moral issues, AUDIT THE FED is his goal, returning the US to economic health is his first priority- very sane man. Anyone think he stood a chance in the election?
My conservative friend says you can’t listen to NPR or PBS because they’re very liberal. At least they don’t roll their eyes and make faces like the anchors at CNN and Fox.
Really? Not that I watch or listen all the time because time conflicts but, when I do, they seem fairly in the middle.
Wow, I wouldn’t think the same station that plays Seseme Street and Sid The Science Kid would have an agenda or point of view. Not only that, they do not advertise. They’re funded by donations.
So Fred, when you refer to Fairness, you are referring to things like:
1. Obama wanting to impose a 90 billion dollar Financial Responsibility Fee on every bank that has a balance sheet over 50B, all supposedly to punish banks for their wreckless behavior? Yet, he doesn’t want to impose it on GM or Chrsyler, despite the fact that they have not paid their TARP back, and will have caused the greatest losses to the government….banks actually brought them a profit. Sounds real fair.
2. Or to the deal Obama struck with the Labor Unions, granting them relief for imposition of the 40% excise tax on individual health plans over $8500 per person? Sounds real fair. I have to pay it.
3. Or to the money given to the State of Louisiana to buy Mary Landrieu’s vote for Healthcare…or Ben Nelson’s vote in Nebraska….that sounds fair too.
4. Or to demand the American citizens pay for defense lawyers to defend people who murdered their family on 9/11?? I’m so sure that if your child was murdered on that day, you wouldn’t mind paying those fees to defend your daughter’s killers.
5. Or to Congress exempting themself from the pile of crap healthcare reform that’s good enough for all us commoners????
You are clearly liberal minded, whether you are Democrat, Republican or Independent. And these are the policies the liberal politicians are pursuing….so, your current choice of leaders, liberals, are pursuing quite unfair policies. I believe that’s why you said government exists..to promote a sense of fairness. Glad to see you’ll be heading to the polls and firing your leaders.
What is with all of this “crying out for leadership” ??? Changing parties to Independent, abandoning Republican an Democrat blah blah blah…Call yourself whatever you want!
The leadership is the person that you, as a citizen, elect to represent your interests in your city, State or Washington. Then you follow how they vote on matters that are important to you. If they vote in accordance with your values and interests, then you support the candidate by re-electing, etc. If they don’t, you look for someone else to represent your interest, and vote them in.
No political party needs a puppet figure to “lead”….We don’t need someone, in whose eyes we can gaze, to call “our leader”…..
The great thing about the mess of the last few years, is that people are suddenly reminded that Election Day is important…and so is knowing who is running for what office. It takes time and energy to determine what someone stands for and many Americans fell down on the job in their responsibility to vote responsibly.
So just start doing it! You can look up who is giving money to candidates….you can see what industries try to buy their vote, you can see what individuals corporations and unions give them money, and you can track how they vote on every issue…..It takes a little time, but now it seems worth it, doesn’t it????
Hey Dawn, thanks for exposing your mental limitations. I guess you had no problem with John F’n Kerry calling our troops rapists; or Dick Durbin calling our troops Nazi’s; or Jack Murtha convicting our troops of rape and murder. Nooooo, go ahead and blame Rush and the rest. You are such a small, tiny, jerk!!!!
I didn’t have time to list all the idiots that snatch headlines. That would have been an all year project.
Just because I left out a few you get your dander all up in your knickers? My point was that the extremists on both sides are the ones that grab headlines and they have hijacked our gov’t.
Are you joking? Do you have a job? You must work in government if you are this confused. If you work in private industry, you must not be too concerned about keeping your job.
Obama’s goal is to further expand government, strengthen labor unions (which kill jobs/companies and industries), and to promote corruption and bribery.
And you’re worried about A T and T, McDonald’s and Toy’s R Us????
Although I won’t claim to fully understand Campaign Finance or Reform, I know that McCain took a hit to his position with this Supreme Court ruling, so I can only assume it wasn’t a liberal position.
I disagree entirely. The electoral college is what prevents a great deal of chaos in the electoral system.
Since the electoral votes are based partly on census data, the electoral college protects your voice even when you can’t vote (under 18, permanent resident non-citizen, whatever).
It prevents a “race to the bottom” on voting qualifications. (California could give 16-year-olds a vote and it does not change the voting power of anyone else in the country.)
It restricts voting problems to individual states (imagine Florida-style recounts nationwide in 2000).
It prevents local issues from swinging the presidential election (throw a controversial issue on the ballot and watch turnout rise!)
Your gripe about “thinking their votes are worth more” would only hold water if a faithless elector had ever swung a presidential election. The electoral vote system adds a lot of stability to our presidential elections. The actual electors are fairly meaningless.
Hillary got more votes then ANY CANDIDATE IN HISTORY- but failed to win because she couldn’t swing the electoral votes. Seems to me if the majority of the population wanted her to be the presidential nomination, the electoral college SHOULD
have been bound to adhere to their wishes. They did not. They clearly went against the popular vote and put Obama (the candidate THEY chose) in the position.
ummm… the Democratic primary has nothing to do with the electoral college. The electoral college only refers to the actual Presidential election.
I think your beef is with the “Superdelegate” system that the Democrats use in their National Convention, which I agree is stupid, broken, and undemocratic.
However, there is a slight issue comparing vote totals in the primaries — the primary/caucus rules vary so much from state to state that the totals are meaningless.
Oh, and to answer your question, my only savior is Jesus.
So, Barry called Scott Brown to express a willingness to work with him and “struggling families” throughout the country. Hey Barry, they are struggling because of your punishing taxes, spending and high unemployment. Go back to Chicago.
This was the smack in the face this administration needed. The question now is will they wake up and listen to the people or will they push this piece of crap even further down our throats. They’re all too busy pointing fingers at one another instead of manning up and doing what they were elected to do…..work FOR THE PEOPLE…not against them.
Cheers to the new revolution and more results like this in November.
.. you can hear Ted Kennedy rolling over.
Good luck Sen. Brown… hopefully you’ll live up to the expectations.
What expectations? Not being a Democrat? Knowing who Kurt Schilling is? I think he’ll be fine.
No… not “not being a Democrat”, he ran on conservative principles. Just because he’s got an (R-MA) after his name doesn’t mean anything about what kind of politician he’ll be or how he’ll vote on things.
Look at Olympia Snowe.
It doesn’t matter what he ran on, he got elected not because he has anything particularly great to offer but because he is a not-democrat. That’s how the two party system works, and it’s one of the reasons why we have such incompetant leadership in Washington. Just my opinion, of course.
Thanks, Ted. Your best accomplishment for the people in your 40 yr political career was dying mid term.
If you listened to what the people of Massachusettes said, they did not vote “against” Democrats..they voted “for” what Scott stands for, which is:
Strong Military that doesn’t provide defense lawyers to terrorists trying to kill us.
Small Goverment.
Promotion of Capitalism.
He’s against the Healthcare Reform currently on the table.
In short, he was elected, because the most liberal group in the country, the State of Massachusettes, is rejecting Obama’s policies and the specific manner in which Democrats are carrying out Obama’s orders.
But, as expected, Obama and the Democrats still don’t get it. They are dismissing the fact that American’s don’t want their crap and acting like holy saviors of us stupid people who know not what we need.
Hey Barney Frank….YOUR NEXT!!!!
Well, I guess this proves that Reuters and IJ aren’t partisan anymore. Fools.
Maybe now we could get better health care legislation. Or is the whole thing dead?
Health care legislation isn’t dead just the democrats. Hello Nancy Pelosi et al, your next.
So we are, or are not, in agreement? You said he was elected because the population of Massachusetts rejected Obama and the Democrats’ policies and methods. I reviewed Scott Brown’s website to see what his plan is and all I got was a bunch of boilerplate conservative talking points and a couple of personal ideas. No specific plans. I am hoping he at least has a good track record to back up these “beliefs”. I happen to share a lot of his beliefs, but that doesn’t mean I have all the answers or would be a good senator.
Good point.
Joseph Kennedy was the only one in the debate making coherent arguments. The other two were all fluff.
Today Rush opened his show by saying “For the first time in my life I am proud of Massachusetts.” Then he said “This one’s for you, Mary Jo, and for you, Judge Bork.” Loved it.
What a cruel and heartless comment, I’m a Republican but to make this kind of statement merely shows how ignorant you really are! Grow up, if you can’t say something nice or constructive then SHUT UP
“What a cruel and heartless comment, I’m a Republican but to make this kind of statement merely shows how ignorant you really are! Grow up, if you can’t say something nice or constructive then SHUT UP”
Maxine, I wonder if the family of Mary Jo Kopechne, who the almighty Sen. Kennedy left dying at the bottom of the bay feel the same way?
The so called “Progressive” movement has infected the democratic party. Not all democrats are this crazy. I think MA last night proved the democrats are more in line with Bill Clinton than Obama and his socialist or communist administration.
THEY JUST DONT LISTEN TO US!
Here is a quote from the one guy who has visited the White house more than anyone else since Obama took office last year. 27 times he has visited the Whitehouse.
Service Employees International Union President Andy Stern said “the vote should be a “wake-up call” for Democrats that “now is the time for bold action.”
“The reason Ted Kennedy’s seat is no longer controlled by a Democrat is clear: Washington’s inability to deliver the change voters demanded in November 2008. Make no mistake, political paralysis resulted in electoral failure,” Stern said.
YOU CAN FOLLOW HIS ADVICE RIGHT OVER THE CLIFF IF YOU WANT. THEY STILL DO NOT GET IT!
Exactly! Rush and his politcal grand standing…..He’s an idealogical idiot.
The tax rate, spending, unemployment is basically the same as it was when Barry came to office. All that got worse under Bush, except for a tax break for the wealthiest earners. That break expired this year. That is why I used the term “basically”. Other than that, nothing that has occured in this administration has caused what we are experiencing now. The Right Wing Lie machine is in full force…
He got elected because he’s NOT a Dem. Just like anyone could have run against McCain and won becuase they weren’t Rep.
Well, that and he did have a beautiful centerfold back in the 80’s. SMOKIN’ HOT! LOL First Nude Senator in Mass (Well, considering Ted Kennedy was the prior, I’d say thank God for that)
But kidding aside. what difference will it make? There aren’t two parties anymore. Anyone who believes there are either bows down to Pelosi or kneels before Rush. There is one party- it consists of “how much will Wall Street pay us and how much can we steal from Main Street.”
This is a referendum on Obama!
Plain and simple – Obama is too liberal for Massachuesetts. Now how about the rest of the country? How about the middle of the Country.
If you are a dem in congress, you better start an exit plan on healthcare reform or you might want to post your resume on Monsterjobs.com, because you are fired.
Yeah, Barry, you have 40 other republican
senators to work closely with – why didn’t you?
Well anyone is an improvement over Ted Kennedy…He would have been in jail rather than politics is his name had been Jones or Smith…Mary Jo was just one of many cowardly acts…I agree with Rush on this one.
Haiti, before the EQ, would be your dream country. No gov’t regulation, no social safety net, just the strongest and smartest gorging themselves at the expense of everyone else. Is that what you want, if so, I’m sure there are plenty of underdeveloped third world countries that you’d love. By the way, does anyone remember or even care about the 45,000 uninsured who died last year due to lack of health insurance? Hooray for Capitalism is more like Piggy for Greed! Bye, bye.
Personally the fact that he kept getting re-elected proved to me that Mass should be kicked out of the US. Who could possibly keep voting in a lying murdering coward?????? A bunch of morons, IMHO.
Yeah, one set of rules for the Dems and another for the rest of us. There is no room for arrogance in this country! How about Michelle’s 20+ assistants when Hilary had three and Laura had one. They just don’t get it!
yeah, let’s spread the wealth!!!
Sarah, And your solutions for the Nations’ problems are…?
For Spread the Wealth, if you’d do some reading you’d know that the wealth in this country is already getting spread. The top 0.01 percent of earners in the US control 6% of all the country’s wealth. This is a 900% gain, according to TIME, over the last 30 years. Hope your part of the top 0.01%. This gain is primarily due to the the “R” tax policies favoring the wealty and Wall Street. Look it up! If current trends continue, the US will resemble a third world economy with a few at the top controlling the majority of the country’s wealth while the middle class slides backwark. Does anyone read??
As I see it, OB’s win was not a “victory” for the Dems, it was defeat of the Far Right conservatives in the republican party. Just as this vote was not a “victory” for the Reps, it was a vote against the Far Left liberals of the democratic party.
Let’s hope the politicos stop catering to the 15% of the wackos on the far left and the 15% of the wackos on the far right. It’s time to realize that the 70% of us in the middle, (the ones who pay for it all) are the ones who should be listened to.
Forget catering to your parties “base”. If you want to stay in office, you better start catering to the desires of the independents who don’t care if you’re labeled a “republican” or a “democrat”.
Don’t let anyone think that this is a vote to return to right wing conservatives. This is a statement to move towards the middle.
Freddy–Very impressive, but lighten up. You (and every other Democrat) got to gloat when your horse won; let the Republicans have their moment.
absolutely agree. Check out Michael Smerconish some time if you don’t like Rush or Olberman. He’s right in the middle and goes for the issue before the party.
Fred,
I do know Government has never gotten us out of a recession. I would tell government to do the following.
1. Just get out of our way.
2. Dont raise taxes.
3. Stop Spending
4. Kill terrorist – torture them if you wish.
5. Let companies fail, thats how new companies are created out of need.
6. Get out of bed with special interest groups, UNIONS!.
I would certainly not keep spending money we dont have. One thing liberal loons will not admit, We have doubled our total national debt since Obama took office 1 year ago. (fact)
There you go Fred, how about that?
Yeah, right. Now make it happen!
Hey, Dude! A democrat that has awakened from their drunken stupor. You think blaming Bush is going to work. Unemployment was not 17% under Bush, GM was owned by stockholders, not Obama, and you are totally glossing over the fact that Dodd and Frank created the mortgage mess. Just keep drinking and go back to sleep, you moron.
Allan… I love your school yard “I’m rubber and you’re glue…” intellect. I bet you won a lot of high school debates with that one.
Fred, It really is getting old, and at some point you have to start taking some responsibility for the actions of congress.
How long has congress been controled by democrats? what year was it? 2006. When did the Bush administration request a review and reforms of Fannie and Freddie. Who was it that opposed the reforms so much. Could it be Bwarney Fwank and Countrywide Bank friend Chris Dodd.
The financial mess originates with Fannie Freddie and Wallstreet, ie; Goldman boys, Paulson, Gietner and Bernake.
Stop blaming Bush, who had nothing to do with the collapse and start focusing on what the Progressive Liberal Loons are doing to our country now!
Your democratic party has been highjacked!
Dude was saying those problems started before Obama, its like all you people forgot this economy was in the dumps before Obama got here. We shouldn’t blame our problems on any single person, Bush or Obama. A lot of people contributed to the problems you mentioned and that fact that you blame it all on Obama and the dems is just disheartening.
Let’s take a ‘gift’ budget surplus and turn it into a budget deficit so cripling that the successor (in this case, Obama and Co.) is limited to improve the economy and the condition of the middle and lower class.
Let’s make up reasons to go to war in Iraq just because one President is afraid to go down in history as being a wimp. Then let’s mess that war up so badly (debathification) an insergency bogs down the US and kills many good and decent US milatary men and women. Let’s change our reasons monthly for going there in the first place (WMD, get rid of Hussien, give them democracy, nation build).
Let’s suck-up to the elderly vote and create the largest ($1.2 billion) government expansion of healthcare (Medicare Part D), finance it entirely by deficit spending, preclude the US government to from using it’s purchasing power to control drug costs (for our doners/friends at the drug companies)and therefore leave no chance to control the cost of this rediculously complicated program. Then we should have the architects of this bill (Chuck Grassley) and other Repbulicans who voted for it (Brownback, Hatch, Boener etc.) criticize the heck out of any further expansion (and lie about it too!) that will help many other people besides the elderly (who mostly vote Republican).
Let’s make an overfed, drug addicted, filandering pig our moral standard bearer.
Let’s say the nation is going to hell with the current guy is President when, in reality, all he is trying to do is dig the country out of the mess we were in when he got here. While we are at it, let’s call him everything from a socialist to a fascist.
Sound like a plan?
anan.. Barry set himself up for this with this prophetical rhetoric during the campaign. Don’t you remember? The seas would begin to recede, the earth would begin to heal itself, the world would once again begin to see our country in a new way. We would be loved by the Mid-East. Venezuela would be our allies. YES WE CAN!
If they did this they could claim victory now and in the 2010 midterms.
1. Go to the republicans, come up with a bipartisan bill about 20 or 30 pages which gives us the following.
a. Health insurance porability, you cannot lose your coverage when you lose your job.
b. Carriers can write coverage across state lines.
c. No limited pre-existing conditions on policies.
d. Pharmacutical companies must charge us the same as they charge oversees or canada.
e. Tort reform for medical malpractice.
f. Carriers cannot charge more for self pay than you do for people who have coverage.
Do this and pass the bill unanamously with both democrats and republicans on board. nothing too controversial. CLAIM VICTORY NOW and in 2010.
Move on after that, and move away from Moveon.org.
That is the secret of success for democrats. You have to realize that Obama is not a real democrat, he is a progressive. The two are miles apart. One still believes in capitalism the other is a socialist at best and a communist at worst.
Dude, I’m glad to see your taking advantage of the great “Drug” program offered by the democrats. That medicinal marijuana is working well for you.
The Dem Plan:
1). Blame Bush instead of assuming responsibilty.
2). Spend Money.
3). Apologize to the widdle terrorists. Try to make friends with the people that think nothing of strapping a bomb vest onto a child and sending them into a crowded marketplace.
4). Whoops, that didn’t work. Repeat steps 1-3 as necessary.
reaper. This is what political discourse has come to. Calling the other guy a moron and acusing him of taking drugs and drinking while refusing to come up with any sensible counter argument. You might want to see of O’Rielly has any openings on his show.
It has been over a year now, how long can the Bush is the cause for everything go on for? Ok your guy is in where is the change as promised? Ok mistakes were made as with all presidents, Clinton pardons Criminals and terrorists,enough already…show some change, show some progress, keep the deals on the table and out of the backrooms, They are all smart people but Bush has not been in office for a while now and in this race I did not see his name on the ballot…get over it. Gas up the truck baby :-)
Sarah – I like your ideas. You’ve actually posted something with balance.
Calm down everyone–football analogy to follow. With 2 minutes left in healthcare–and the Dems leading 41-0 Brown scored on a miraculous catch for an 80 yd score. They missed “the point” after. Final Score 41-6 (alas the shut-out was averted).
I think, Medicare Part D. is proof that the Republicans are very good at #2. They are the masters. But, they criticize others who take the same course of action. Question for you:
How many of the last Republican Presidents actually lowered the deficit instead of pushing it up exponentially? Did you know that last Bush never even put Iraq war spending into the budget??
#3 never happened.
“Cmon Man” you have got to be on drugs or something. Here is our plan.
Sit back and watch you guys run our country in the ground. Watch as you liberal loons just argue with each other with an emotional outburst of factless ridicule.
How many votes does the house and the senate really need to pass legislation.
218 in the house, Dems have 253.
51 in the Senate Dems have 59 now. was 60. One thing you forget the republicans do not matter all of your problems are between democrats not republicans. Democrats are at odds with the american people not republcans. You can not figure this out, you keep wanting to blame Bush for your failures but you can only look into the mirror now.
Go ahead and follow the likes of Ried, Peolosi, or Andy Stern of SEIU, who visited the whitehouse more than any other person this year at 27 visits. He said the following
Service Employees International Union President Andy Stern said the vote should be a “wake-up call” for Democrats that “now is the time for bold action.”
“The reason Ted Kennedy’s seat is no longer controlled by a Democrat is clear: Washington’s inability to deliver the change voters demanded in November 2008. Make no mistake, political paralysis resulted in electoral failure,” Stern said.
GO AHEAD AND FOLLOW THIS LOON OFF THE CLIFF IF YOU WISH. OUR PLAN IS JUST TO WATCH.
Allen, I know the democratic party hijackers you call progressives will not follow my advice and will kill themselves trying to push a socialist agenda on an unwanting american people.
When the Dems lose Massachusetts, You know your out of touch with the real Democrats. The democrats need to take back their own party and run the likes of Michael Moore, George Soros, Andy Stern and yes, their mesiah, Obama out and get back to their roots.
we don’t want him back in Chicago
Allan and Dude,
Michael Moore, Andy Stern, Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Even Harry Ried. Are not real Democrats. These guys are using their party. They do not believe in the fundamental values of the party but rather a vision of utopia of an intrusive Government being the answer to all of our concerns and their being no wealthy people just the government employees at the top of the economic ladder. a lower middle class strugling to get by but a safety net for everyone. They want a european government.
The will destroy the real Democratic Party to get it! Make no mistakes about it. They do not care about the Party or the People. Just “Change” “A fundamental change of social and economic justice”
35% Democrats
12% rebublicans
53% Independent
So who is out of touch with who?
Democrats and Independents are against the current progressive movement.
Congress better wake up now and get back to their roots and kick the far left out of the party. NOW! or suffer in the midterms.
Makes sense to me. Wow, I agree with you again. Cool.
I think we need to be more in the middle now a days and do what is best that makes fiscal sense while still promoting the general abundance for the american people.
“Sound like a plan?”
No, sounds like you are a delusional, Kool-Aid drinking, hateful, socialist, anti-American, idiot.
Going back to one of Mike’s and a few others post regarding Bush. Both Bush and Obama are guilty of running up our national debt. If you look at what Obama is doing with spending, he’ll double what Bush spent.
See the Heritage Foundation http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bush-deficit-vs-obama-deficit-in-pictures/
But, I still think Bush is one of the worst as far a policy goes just for implementing the Military Commissions Act of 2006 and the abuse of signing statements as well as others. But those two alone stand out enough.
I am troubled that Barney Frank and Obama’s team
think they know better or are better than us the American wroking person.What happen top transparency and change? the fix is in for the unions and the chosen ones. This is not a Demo or Repub issue …this is an issue of controling us..I am disapointed in them.
At least my comments have substance. What flavor kool-aid are you drinking today? Just listen to the rest of America, okay? Your points are senseless and you look like a fool.
Reaper – who are you directing your comments too? It’s hard to follow on here.
Allan, I’m directing my comments to anyone who supports Obama and the “hammer and sickle.”
Fair enough. I don’t think it’s the hammer and sickle that is going to do us in. It will be our national debt.
Allan, and I totally agree with you on that. The irresponsible spending by this administration the last 12 months is more than what Bush spent during his entire administration; and that includes the wars. What doesn’t the left get?
I understand what Obama is trying to accomplish but, I don’t think he’s going about it the correct way.
We have a huge spending problem on our hands and if something isn’t done soon, America will have to shut it’s doors…so to speak. We’ll go bankrupt and our kids and grand kids will suffer.
Thanks to the GOP, you have your new health plan: Just Die and get it over with.
Gee Sarah P, another intelligent comment. Why don’t you explain what is/was so good about the Obama plan?
Thank you Alan Grayson. I understand your frustration. I would like to see health care reform just as much as the next logical person. But the way this whole legislation is playing out. It’s not all that great. At least fiscally. Not to mention all the kick backs that were made. I mean if your for the american people and good reform, why would you ***** out your vote for it?
Why can’t this “greatest nation on earth” get this right? We should be smarter than that.
Oh, I know…greed and power.
That sucks!
Wel,, that they probable hav. And that this is on your newsletter probably confirms that we have a Republican Insurance Comissioner now, and NO benefits as far as fraud goes.
Obama’s plan was crashing long before Brown was elected.
If Obama was smart, he would have seized the opportunity to “save face” by admitting defeat in voting numbers and going back to the drawing board for Republican ideas.
He could have then looked like the bipartisan president he sold himself as, and looked like a winner!
Fortunately, he’s not smart, so the democrats will be fired and will lose control of Congress. It’s almost like Congress has developed a welfare/entitlement mentality too…when they lose their jobs in November, they still get paid, so why work????????
So, then what happens to the new Republican politicians that are voted into office and they screw it all up? Seems like we’ve been down this road before. The wrong people keep getting voted in.
I think a lot of it has to with people keep voting on emotion after the previous people in office seemed to screwed things up.
Politicians are elected by the people to carry out the will of the people. When they do it, they stay in office, when they they don’t, they get fired.
That’s it.
Massachusettes voters voted with ANGER over the fact that the representatives they elected do not represent them…..what does government expect?
Curiosity Allan. Who are the right people? All of the political parties, right left liberal libertarian and whatever seem to be way off base. I agree, Obama got elected for not being Bush and Brown got a lot of votes for not being Democrat. At this time there really don’t seem to be any political leaders, just loons on all sides. Then again, the 24 hour fill up the tv and radio with rants right and left may just be turning us all negative. I’m interested as to who is your savior here Allan. I just don’t see any real national politicians I like at this point.
You hit the nail on the head. Obama got elected for not being Bush and Brown got a lot of votes for not being Democrat.
Moreover, I think Obama got elected for not being a Republican and the Democrats taking the house and senate back in 06 are a reflection of that.
Now were faced with the same thing only in reverse. People will more likely lean toward Republicans and Independents than Democrats. At least that’s what the landscape is starting to look like. And we’re only 1 year into this.
In my own personal opinion, I think the Democrats have good intentions on health care reform and other issues but, are going about it entirely the wrong way.
Dude,
You might want to get your facts straight about the so called budget surplus…
1. Anytime a government agency has a surplus, i.e. social security, they are required by law to buy government debt with the money.
2. The money used to buy the government debt was then used to pay down the national debt (money owed to citizens, corporations, and foreign countries)
3. The social security surplus was looted by Clinton to pay down the national debt.
4. Social security is set to run out of money.
5. The national debt that Clinton paid down becuase of his “surplus” was really nothing short of deficit spending.
And the surplus that was created in social security, lets look at this:
1. Internet/dot com bubble creating extra tax revenues for the country
2. Less recipients of social security (remember, this wasn’t the baby boomers collecting yet)
Go to the US Treasury and read the laws and the facts. There has not been a president in the last 40-50 years that has ever posted a budget that is in the “black.” The Clinton era surplus is one of the biggest myths in American Politics.
Is there anyone on here who voted for Obama and now wishes they wouldn’t have? And, most importantly, is willing to admit it?
I voted for Obama and don’t regret it, because I think he is a good leader and don’t think McCain would have made a better president. I wish the Dems hadn’t won a supermajority, because you can see what they do with it. But that’s not my fault; I voted Republican in ’08 for my state’s congressional seats. I don’t like the Executive and Legislative branches controlled by the same party and may start adjusting my votes in the future based the likely outcome. Having the Dems in control of Congress does not really force Obama to be the bipartisan leader he campaigned as. This 2010 backlash is a good thing and will force him to be the leader we voted for or expose him as a fraud.
I really do hope that the so-called “awakening” results in a changed voting public. We need to stop voting for Republicans and Democrats because they “believe” this or that. We need to stop electing career politicians and start putting people from the real world into office; true fiscal conservatives who understand that cutting taxes means you actually have to SHRINK the size of government, at the expense of some for the good of all.
If the Democrats allow the progressives to push the current healthcare agenda as it is, They are the most out of touch people ever to enter politics.
Lets see, Massachusetts goes to a tea party independent/ republican and nothing has changed…Hmmmmm Ok, Go for it!
Political suicide!
I wonder how the races in the midwest and southeast are going to go.
I’ll admit I voted for Obama- not because I loved his politics, but because one step away from the presidency and one step away from Rush’s lunacy Palin scared the crap out of me.
IMHO Obama is as far out left as Palin is out right.
I am still bitter about Hillary not getting the nomination after taking home the popular vote.
I also love Ron Paul, but since he’s not a nut job and actually has logical ideas about the country he didn’t stand a chance yet. Hopefully now that we’ve learned that voting on gay or abortion rights doesn’t help the country at large we’ll start voting for people who aren’t preaching morality but are after prosperity for the country. Auditing the FED would be awesome, but unfortunately common sense doesn’t win votes.
BTW- I am pro choice and think denying gays equal rights is unconstitutional, but I’m smart enough to realize that moral issues aren’t what’s going to hand this county over to Mexico or China. Wish everyone else realized that.
Dont worry Dems who die can still vote. Just go to Chicago or any other democrat and Accorn controled Gerimandered district. And you guys are upset at the Nebraska deal or the Louisiana purchase or the Florida Medicare payoff.
Isnt it Ironic that Harry Ried and Nancy Pelosi came up with the term during the Bush adminstration of “Culture of Coruption”. LOL LOL…….
If it were not for the corrupt Union bosses, Strong arm of Accorn or the Money of a foriegner like George Soros, The Democrats would not have 10 Senators or 100 Congressmen. They are that corrupt and out of touch.
No not really, Freddy
Haiti, like many poor countries is a historical dictatorship where capitalism has never been nurtured or appreciated and where the best and brightest have to leave rather than be poor improvershed and longing for the liberty we offer.
Get your facts straight buddy
I’m an old man now but honestly Ronnie Reagan would be a better president alive with alzheimers or dead in his grave than any of the jokers who have come and gone since.
Sorry kiddies, but he beat inflation, whipped the commies and made us feel really good about being Americans. “Tear down the wall Mr. Gorbachev”-how simple and elegant.
God Bless him and I hope that someone, ANYONE will step forward to be at least the shadow of that great man
So, I came across this small time blogger and he some intresting things to say regarding the 2 parties that we have in office. Check it:
I think our only hope is to begin electing independent and minor-party candidates to House and Senate offices, in sufficient numbers to deny control of the government to either major party. And those new representatives must learn to listen to their voting constituencies rather than their funding constituencies, must involve US in OUR government, and must legislate in OUR interests. I’ll vote for a candidate who will pledge those things whether he or she is conservative or liberal, is a Green, Blue or whatever. But I will no longer support a political party that doesn’t support me–and neither of these parties can or will.
This reinvention of our democracy seems like a long, slow process, and we don’t have much time, because many of our systems are in danger of collapse. But the Republican Party was organized on February 28, 1854, and took majority control of the House and the Senate, and elected Lincoln as President in the November election of 1860–just eighty months later. Already in the 1854 and ’58 elections, with the help of some other parties, they denied majority control of the House to the Democrats. If we could follow that example, we could have a new government by 2016. Suppose it took us four years longer–even eight.
Would it be worth it?
that too many sheeple are stuck with that mentality that they MUST vote for the R or the D. They throw insults at ‘those Dems’ or “those Repubs’.
There are too few of us that have figured out that there is only 1 party. The party of ‘what will Wall Street pay me and how much can I steal from Main Street’.
For Az Agent, Ronnie benefited from Carters’ appointment of Paul Volker to head the Fed. Volker ran the interest rates into double digit terroritory as that was the only way to get out the excess dollars in the system. That in turn caused the resessesion that Ronnie benefitted from when it ended. Ronnie also was the first Presidnet to introduce us to “supply side” economics. There were also several factors in play thay lead to the downfall of the Soviet Union, Ronnie’s increase in defense spending was one. Good day!!
Walter, If the hands off approach to running a country or an economy is so superior, can you point to just one successful country that has a hands off approach to ecomonic policy. No, for a reason. People tend to be greeedy and corrupt and without the hand of gov’t in place to curb abuses, you have poverty, abuse and a totally unfair and non-working system. Gov’t reg. doesn’t just happen, there is generally a reason for it to be implemented. It helps level the playing field and provides a sense of fairness.
Dawn and Allan, I’m with you. But I don’t necessarily agree with the sheeple idea. I think the disengagement of the 70’s-90’s generations might actually be paying off today, by giving the subsequent generations a clean slate. I don’t know anyone under 50 who is a passionate follower of one of the two major political parties, and “would never” vote the other way.
Look at the breakdown of the Massachusetts voters that the news organizations have been reporting. Independents/Not Affiliated > 50%?!? That was shocking to me, especially for a state that is continuously characterized as the most liberal in the nation. If you consider the margin by which Obama defeated McCain in 2008, and the margin by which Brown defeated Coakley barely 14 months later, it is clear that Independents are crying out for leadership . . . and that need is not being met. And since it’s only been a year since Bush left office, Independents still remember and know that Republicans are not the answer.
An angry and motivated center of the country is what is needed to break the Democrat/Republican see-saw.
It’s a good idea, in theory…Problem is, even if you get a majority voting for an independent party candidate, what about the electoral college? they’re not required to vote with the majority in their state. Historically, third pary candidates have not fared well in national elections (exception of Joe Lieberman). Even if and independent candidate has a “strong showing” and finishes with up to 10% of the vote, does it really matter? Instead of forming a different party, why not focus on nominating the RIGHT candidates?
Yeah, I’m all for middle ground and neutrality. But, it seems that everyone is whipped up into a frenzy and is either on one side or the other.
I was watching Glen Beck last night and he had he his magnet photos and black board and so on, describing who’s on the far left and far right. Well, he named his usual on the far left but left the far right empty. Why? Just when I thought he was on to something he does what he always does, pretends to be neutral and then fakes you out. And the brain dead folk don’t even know it and believe everything he says.
My aunt drives me crazy when she mentions this guy.
Allan, the good thing is that you watched him whether or not you completely agree with him. If more people would actually take the time and get BOTH sides of an issue instead of going blindly with what one side says, we’d all be better off. I used to be fairly liberal-minded until I started listening to some shows on talk radio so I could “hear what the other side is saying about us”. It wasn’t long before I found myself agreeing with a lot of the opinions; not all of them, but at least I understood the arguments better.
Oh, totally!!! I watch and listen to them all. I try to take it all in so it gives a balanced view. Sometimes it’s hard not to turn the station when they all start their political grand standing and childish rants. And it’s all idelogical. That does NO one any good.
is the first thing that is way overdue to be abolished. Back when it took two weeks to get from Ca to Washington DC it was necessary. Now it’s just a group of elites that think they’re votes are worth more then ours. Reminds me of the Federal Reserve.
They were NOT elected, they were NOT chosen by the public. They were handed these positions by cronies and buddies.
Popular vote should be popular vote.
Unfortunately, it’s the far wing nutjobs that get all the publicity.
Take a look at Pat Robertson- HELLO? Can they get any bat**** crazier? Katrina hit because of abortion and Haiti got the earthquake because of the deal with the devil they made to get out from under France…. Um…. yep. How many people actually listen to that crap? He’s grabbed how many headlines with that?
Rush- he’s another one. right wing certifiable nut job. So many nuts listen to him that they’re fighting over whether he’s the defacto leader of the Repub party.
Pelosi- illegal lovin’ welfare braggin’ skank if I ever saw one. Yet millions of people listen to her.
Michael Moore- again, certifiable- but lots of followers
Sarah Palin- yep, another one If foreign relations are staring at Russia from her porch, what would be healthcare? Watching General Hospital? Even John McCain (who I feel is very middle of the road and I would have voted for before Palin came along) now says she’s nuts.
Seems the crazier you are the more headlines and followers you get. People that follow them SHOULD be watching american idol and leave the voting to the sane people.
Ron Paul- very middle of the road, very disinterested in moral issues, AUDIT THE FED is his goal, returning the US to economic health is his first priority- very sane man. Anyone think he stood a chance in the election?
Nope. The nuts get all the attention.
Exactly! Not to mention it helps ratings. And we all know what ratings equals…..$$$.
Ever notice how PBS or NPR really are never talked about or brought up? I wonder why?
My conservative friend says you can’t listen to NPR or PBS because they’re very liberal. At least they don’t roll their eyes and make faces like the anchors at CNN and Fox.
Really? Not that I watch or listen all the time because time conflicts but, when I do, they seem fairly in the middle.
Wow, I wouldn’t think the same station that plays Seseme Street and Sid The Science Kid would have an agenda or point of view. Not only that, they do not advertise. They’re funded by donations.
So Fred, when you refer to Fairness, you are referring to things like:
1. Obama wanting to impose a 90 billion dollar Financial Responsibility Fee on every bank that has a balance sheet over 50B, all supposedly to punish banks for their wreckless behavior? Yet, he doesn’t want to impose it on GM or Chrsyler, despite the fact that they have not paid their TARP back, and will have caused the greatest losses to the government….banks actually brought them a profit. Sounds real fair.
2. Or to the deal Obama struck with the Labor Unions, granting them relief for imposition of the 40% excise tax on individual health plans over $8500 per person? Sounds real fair. I have to pay it.
3. Or to the money given to the State of Louisiana to buy Mary Landrieu’s vote for Healthcare…or Ben Nelson’s vote in Nebraska….that sounds fair too.
4. Or to demand the American citizens pay for defense lawyers to defend people who murdered their family on 9/11?? I’m so sure that if your child was murdered on that day, you wouldn’t mind paying those fees to defend your daughter’s killers.
5. Or to Congress exempting themself from the pile of crap healthcare reform that’s good enough for all us commoners????
You are clearly liberal minded, whether you are Democrat, Republican or Independent. And these are the policies the liberal politicians are pursuing….so, your current choice of leaders, liberals, are pursuing quite unfair policies. I believe that’s why you said government exists..to promote a sense of fairness. Glad to see you’ll be heading to the polls and firing your leaders.
What is with all of this “crying out for leadership” ??? Changing parties to Independent, abandoning Republican an Democrat blah blah blah…Call yourself whatever you want!
The leadership is the person that you, as a citizen, elect to represent your interests in your city, State or Washington. Then you follow how they vote on matters that are important to you. If they vote in accordance with your values and interests, then you support the candidate by re-electing, etc. If they don’t, you look for someone else to represent your interest, and vote them in.
No political party needs a puppet figure to “lead”….We don’t need someone, in whose eyes we can gaze, to call “our leader”…..
The great thing about the mess of the last few years, is that people are suddenly reminded that Election Day is important…and so is knowing who is running for what office. It takes time and energy to determine what someone stands for and many Americans fell down on the job in their responsibility to vote responsibly.
So just start doing it! You can look up who is giving money to candidates….you can see what industries try to buy their vote, you can see what individuals corporations and unions give them money, and you can track how they vote on every issue…..It takes a little time, but now it seems worth it, doesn’t it????
Hey Dawn, thanks for exposing your mental limitations. I guess you had no problem with John F’n Kerry calling our troops rapists; or Dick Durbin calling our troops Nazi’s; or Jack Murtha convicting our troops of rape and murder. Nooooo, go ahead and blame Rush and the rest. You are such a small, tiny, jerk!!!!
Well with yesterday SC decision, you’ll have all the money needed to get and keep Corp. America in power forever. Bye, bye freedom. Fred
what an small minded sheeple.
I didn’t have time to list all the idiots that snatch headlines. That would have been an all year project.
Just because I left out a few you get your dander all up in your knickers? My point was that the extremists on both sides are the ones that grab headlines and they have hijacked our gov’t.
Maybe because the only name you saw was Rush (does that appear in bright gold letters to his followers?) I guess I’ll explain the rest to you
Pelosi- Democrap
Moore- Democrap
Palin- Repug
Robertson- not really sure- if there was a crazy party, he’d be the ringleader
I thought I was pretty fair in picking on both parties. I do equally hate them both right now, in case you missed that point by a mile.
Keeping Corporate America in power???
Are you joking? Do you have a job? You must work in government if you are this confused. If you work in private industry, you must not be too concerned about keeping your job.
Obama’s goal is to further expand government, strengthen labor unions (which kill jobs/companies and industries), and to promote corruption and bribery.
And you’re worried about A T and T, McDonald’s and Toy’s R Us????
Although I won’t claim to fully understand Campaign Finance or Reform, I know that McCain took a hit to his position with this Supreme Court ruling, so I can only assume it wasn’t a liberal position.
I disagree entirely. The electoral college is what prevents a great deal of chaos in the electoral system.
Since the electoral votes are based partly on census data, the electoral college protects your voice even when you can’t vote (under 18, permanent resident non-citizen, whatever).
It prevents a “race to the bottom” on voting qualifications. (California could give 16-year-olds a vote and it does not change the voting power of anyone else in the country.)
It restricts voting problems to individual states (imagine Florida-style recounts nationwide in 2000).
It prevents local issues from swinging the presidential election (throw a controversial issue on the ballot and watch turnout rise!)
Your gripe about “thinking their votes are worth more” would only hold water if a faithless elector had ever swung a presidential election. The electoral vote system adds a lot of stability to our presidential elections. The actual electors are fairly meaningless.
Then explain the Dem primary last year to me.
Hillary got more votes then ANY CANDIDATE IN HISTORY- but failed to win because she couldn’t swing the electoral votes. Seems to me if the majority of the population wanted her to be the presidential nomination, the electoral college SHOULD
have been bound to adhere to their wishes. They did not. They clearly went against the popular vote and put Obama (the candidate THEY chose) in the position.
Your party’s better, her party’s better, my guy is better than your guy, your opinions sucks, no your opinion sucks. Meanwhile, Rome is burning……
“Blame is never the solution to, and quite often the cause of many problems.”
~TN
ummm… the Democratic primary has nothing to do with the electoral college. The electoral college only refers to the actual Presidential election.
I think your beef is with the “Superdelegate” system that the Democrats use in their National Convention, which I agree is stupid, broken, and undemocratic.
However, there is a slight issue comparing vote totals in the primaries — the primary/caucus rules vary so much from state to state that the totals are meaningless.