I truly am not an antisemite, but GIVE ME A BREAK! THIS IS A LITTLE CRAZY!
I am not sure but maybe someone could find out who insured Hitler and the SS and present them with a demand letter, other than that stop looking for money from someone else.
Who are we to demand these carriers in Europe do anything as a result of an action done in Europe. Thats like someone in Germany sueing Grumman Aircraft for dropping a bomb on their grandparents in WWII in Germany, and obtaining a judgement in Munich and creating a law in the EU to make Voight pay up because they bought Grumman a few years ago. CRAZY!
I agree with you Sarah. Our courts are already full and if the policy is from Europe, then go over there and fight in their courts. And if they are fearful that their courts won’t give them their day in court, then guess what, your grandparents made a bad investment. Same thing my kid can say about any investments I had in MCI before their bankruptcy. It was my bad and it’s now over with.
Sarah: “WE” are not demanding anything. We are assisting people who have contracts of indemnity get paid for claims they can establish. If an insurer were to deny a claim, there are courts to decide the legitemacy of the claim. The insurers in this case have all come to the table and agreed to pay on a principal of payment scheme for which they are dragging their feet. You know the idea, wait and wait till they make enough interest that the claim is paid without affecting reserves. Or, wait till the claimant dies and hopefully the obligation ceases. In this case, these claimants are in their last years of their lives. They have right to collect not only on the original indemnity policy but also because the insurers mentioned have AGREED to pay the claims.Don’t view this as freeloading. View this as a case similar to a long term pollution case, or a long term asbestosis case that goes back 50, 70 even 100 years. The insurers denied the claims by oil and asbestos mfg’ers and the courts said pay. The obligation to pay, based on policy wording, was an obligation imposed on both domestic and foreign insurers. These oils and mfg’ers are not freeloading, they are getting paid what the policy said it would pay. It’s the only way I can make a comparison at the moment.But you get the point. I hope this puts a different light on it.
There are two sides to every story and the stories of those who perished in the Holocaust and were robbed of their lives, their hard earned belongings, family, homes and jobs are hardly heard. If those who were killed, raped and died in the concentration camps can’t speak for themselves, luckily their children & relatives can. These people worked hard to pay for their insurance policies and all the stolen valuables they owned. In my humble opinion they and their families deserve and are entitled to what they ask for and more. These families are victims and my heart goes out to them.
My point is that if this happened in Germany, with German carriers to German Citizens, Why do we think we can enact a law that applies to them in our courts. Its a matter of jurisdiction!
Do they deserve the life insurance benefits from these carriers? Yes, if they can prove that they had indeed a policy inforce. Just like here in the good ole US. I just am getting a little tired of these decendants of the holocaust wanting money for their dead relatives that most of them never met or knew. Its kind of like the reparations for slavery victims, or the billions just awarded to the black farmers (by the way most never spent a day on the farm) by the Obama administration for discrimination against loans to black farmers. COMON! when does it stop. I am Irish do you think I should sue the Queen of England in county court?
I am sorry if I offend anyone, I just feel its time to move on. We see movies about it, have museums about it, law suits over it and now legislation in congress about it.
I know they will never forget, but I can! Its time.
I am amazed at how many of us have forgotten September 11th but remember an event we were not even here to see.
Sara: Are we truely that insensative to the issue at hand? The international companies from Europe wish to do business globally, but they refuse to disclose a list of valid policies that were not paid by benefit to survivors who (due to their records being destroyed by Hitler’s group) can not produce valid records and assist with the mitigation of the loss. Therefore with the line of thought you present we should not assist anyone who can not produce their policies and other records due to fire, wind, earthquake, sinkhole or whatever cause and they should seek the assitance of the courts.
God forbid that you or your family be sujected to this type of delay, run around and stalling in the event of such a catostrophic situation. I pray that you will develope a little empathy for those in this situation.
I truly am not an antisemite, but GIVE ME A BREAK! THIS IS A LITTLE CRAZY!
I am not sure but maybe someone could find out who insured Hitler and the SS and present them with a demand letter, other than that stop looking for money from someone else.
Who are we to demand these carriers in Europe do anything as a result of an action done in Europe. Thats like someone in Germany sueing Grumman Aircraft for dropping a bomb on their grandparents in WWII in Germany, and obtaining a judgement in Munich and creating a law in the EU to make Voight pay up because they bought Grumman a few years ago. CRAZY!
I agree with you Sarah. Our courts are already full and if the policy is from Europe, then go over there and fight in their courts. And if they are fearful that their courts won’t give them their day in court, then guess what, your grandparents made a bad investment. Same thing my kid can say about any investments I had in MCI before their bankruptcy. It was my bad and it’s now over with.
Sarah: “WE” are not demanding anything. We are assisting people who have contracts of indemnity get paid for claims they can establish. If an insurer were to deny a claim, there are courts to decide the legitemacy of the claim. The insurers in this case have all come to the table and agreed to pay on a principal of payment scheme for which they are dragging their feet. You know the idea, wait and wait till they make enough interest that the claim is paid without affecting reserves. Or, wait till the claimant dies and hopefully the obligation ceases. In this case, these claimants are in their last years of their lives. They have right to collect not only on the original indemnity policy but also because the insurers mentioned have AGREED to pay the claims.Don’t view this as freeloading. View this as a case similar to a long term pollution case, or a long term asbestosis case that goes back 50, 70 even 100 years. The insurers denied the claims by oil and asbestos mfg’ers and the courts said pay. The obligation to pay, based on policy wording, was an obligation imposed on both domestic and foreign insurers. These oils and mfg’ers are not freeloading, they are getting paid what the policy said it would pay. It’s the only way I can make a comparison at the moment.But you get the point. I hope this puts a different light on it.
There are two sides to every story and the stories of those who perished in the Holocaust and were robbed of their lives, their hard earned belongings, family, homes and jobs are hardly heard. If those who were killed, raped and died in the concentration camps can’t speak for themselves, luckily their children & relatives can. These people worked hard to pay for their insurance policies and all the stolen valuables they owned. In my humble opinion they and their families deserve and are entitled to what they ask for and more. These families are victims and my heart goes out to them.
My point is that if this happened in Germany, with German carriers to German Citizens, Why do we think we can enact a law that applies to them in our courts. Its a matter of jurisdiction!
Do they deserve the life insurance benefits from these carriers? Yes, if they can prove that they had indeed a policy inforce. Just like here in the good ole US. I just am getting a little tired of these decendants of the holocaust wanting money for their dead relatives that most of them never met or knew. Its kind of like the reparations for slavery victims, or the billions just awarded to the black farmers (by the way most never spent a day on the farm) by the Obama administration for discrimination against loans to black farmers. COMON! when does it stop. I am Irish do you think I should sue the Queen of England in county court?
I am sorry if I offend anyone, I just feel its time to move on. We see movies about it, have museums about it, law suits over it and now legislation in congress about it.
I know they will never forget, but I can! Its time.
I am amazed at how many of us have forgotten September 11th but remember an event we were not even here to see.
Sara: Are we truely that insensative to the issue at hand? The international companies from Europe wish to do business globally, but they refuse to disclose a list of valid policies that were not paid by benefit to survivors who (due to their records being destroyed by Hitler’s group) can not produce valid records and assist with the mitigation of the loss. Therefore with the line of thought you present we should not assist anyone who can not produce their policies and other records due to fire, wind, earthquake, sinkhole or whatever cause and they should seek the assitance of the courts.
God forbid that you or your family be sujected to this type of delay, run around and stalling in the event of such a catostrophic situation. I pray that you will develope a little empathy for those in this situation.