Supreme Court Could Get Obamacare Subsidies Question

By and | July 23, 2014

  • July 23, 2014 at 1:45 pm
    Celtica says:
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    This would be an excellent time for all parties to meet and negotiate a consensus before it even gets to the Supreme Court level. As indicated by the Supreme Court im the first ruling, it’s not going away. As indicated in the second ruling, parts are carved out.

    But it’s not going away — so now is the time to bring it to the table and hammer out that agreement will satify most. All is an impossibility as it would be with anything.

    Just saying…

    • July 23, 2014 at 1:49 pm
      Libby says:
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      Celtica, Celtica, Celtica. You should change your name to Pollyanna. The right-tards would never compromise with Obama. Especially on the ACA. But we can dream…

      • July 23, 2014 at 3:05 pm
        Libby says:
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        Hmmmmm. 1 up and 33 down. Private Major’s been at work here. What a loser.

        • July 23, 2014 at 3:28 pm
          KY jw says:
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          The first two comments were already hidden by the time I got here. ;)

          • July 23, 2014 at 3:56 pm
            Libby says:
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            Yes. I think he was up all night and half the morning thumbing me down. LOL!

      • July 23, 2014 at 5:10 pm
        Celtica says:
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        Hi ya Libby, Pollyanna was calling the GOP on their whiney crap with not being invited to the table, not being consulted and just not being. As you can see by the of thumbs down, they are just RW posers who were never serious in the first place about actually contributing anything of substance. Whiney, whiney, whiney.

        • July 24, 2014 at 12:54 pm
          Libby says:
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          Yeah, they didn’t want a seat at the table. By that time they had packed up their toys and gone home to sulk.

    • July 25, 2014 at 9:08 am
      Destro says:
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      So we went from “we need to pass the bill so you can see what’s in it,” to we should all meet and negotiate and hammer it out? Sour grapes that the unconstitutional is being struck down?

      • July 25, 2014 at 9:24 am
        Libby says:
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        No sour grapes. Just trying to be reasonable. I should have known it wouldn’t have worked. You guys are totally fanatical in your hatred of the left.

  • July 23, 2014 at 2:07 pm
    FFA says:
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    Celtica, nice though. Keep dreaming that maybe some day….
    It should have gone straight to the Supreme Ct to begin with so we business folks can go back to dong business in our old world or in our new world. One way or the other, its just Joe Average that has been hurt by this all and why would they give a darn about us and what we want/need?

    sat through my Ethics Class this am. Its time we the people demand all politicians first learn the word and then what it means.

    • July 23, 2014 at 2:33 pm
      Agent says:
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      FFA, We missed you on yesterday’s blog when this subsidies issue first came out. If this issue is based on the language of the law, it is clear it applied to the State Exchanges. But, they will claim it was intended for all exchanges including the Federal. Some of those typos they didn’t proofread before printing it out I suppose.

      I am waiting for the next bombshell to hit on this law. Heard on the radio when going to lunch that the GAO did some tests on Healthcare.gov. They went in posing as applicants, put in all false info, name, social, income etc and the website approved 11 out of 12 apps. It didn’t verify anything before issuing. I wonder who the first media will publicize this. So much for the fixes they have been doing for 8 months.

      • July 23, 2014 at 3:04 pm
        Libby says:
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        Hmmmm. They put in 12 applications and got all 12 reviewed and either approved or not approved. Sounds like the website is working just fine to me.

        So what that it was false information. They obviously won’t pay the premium, so the policies will never be issued and no subsidies will be given.

        Try harder next time, Agent. This one actually hurt your position.

        • July 24, 2014 at 10:58 am
          Concerned says:
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          Libby – I don’t think what Agent said hurt their position. The website should be verifying information to make sure that it isn’t a bogus application. That is the sign of a bad system and what bothers me the most about this whole thing is that people can lie on these applications and get away with it so that they can obtain the subsidies. The law specifically says State Exchanges and that is the only Exchanges that should be allowed. If the intent was for all Exchanges then they need to amend that section of the law and fix the wording.

        • July 24, 2014 at 12:56 pm
          Libby says:
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          Concerned – the subsidies are given as tax credits. If the policy doesn’t get issued, there would be no subsidy. Who would pay the premium for coverage they didn’t need? Oh wait! A really rich person that needed the tax credit because they made too much money. In other words, a Republican.

          • July 24, 2014 at 6:17 pm
            Connie says:
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            How much money do the Kennedys have? How much money does John Kerry have? In other words – rich Democrats!

        • July 25, 2014 at 9:12 am
          Destro says:
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          It’s like you’re willfully retarded.

          • July 25, 2014 at 9:25 am
            Libby says:
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            You’re disgusting.

          • July 25, 2014 at 1:11 pm
            Destro says:
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            you call 11 out of 12 instances of successful fraud a system that’s “working just fine” and I’M disgusting? Haha get real Lib-tard.

          • July 25, 2014 at 1:47 pm
            Libby says:
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            You obviously are uninformed about how the system works. Just because you got a policy accepted through the system doesn’t mean you get a subsidy check in the mail. These false identities would not be able to reap any reward by doing this.

            If you choose to get the premium tax credit in advance, the government sends the money directly to your health insurance company on your behalf. You’ll never actually lay your hands on the money. Your health insurer credits that money toward your cost of health insurance premiums, decreasing how much you’ll pay each month.

            If you choose to get the premium tax credit as a tax refund, the money will be included in your refund when you file your taxes. This could mean a big tax refund. But, you’ll pay more for health insurance each month since you’ll be paying both your share of the premium and the share that would be have been covered by the subsidy if you’d chosen the advanced payment option. It will come out even in the end, but if you’re low on cash-in-hand, you might find the advance payment option more user-friendly.

            Now that I’ve educated, do you see how ridiculous and what a waste of time it was for these people to go in and try to scam the system? They received nothing for it.

          • July 25, 2014 at 5:33 pm
            Destro says:
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            They weren’t “people trying to scam the system,” they were federal investigators testing the ability to defraud the system. And it showed the system to be a resounding failure.

          • July 28, 2014 at 11:35 am
            Libby says:
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            Please explain, exactly, how the system was scammed. Just because apps were approved with false information doesn’t mean anyone benefited. There has be some benefit from the deception for there to be fraud.

      • July 23, 2014 at 3:34 pm
        FFA says:
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        So I guess if the speed limit is 65, I should do 90 and go into court with the explanation that it is not clear what 65 means.

        Was in an Advanced Business Life CE class yesterday. was in the dells at a water park. So, I just wasnt in much of a mood for OfnBama Care crap. Just wish it was resolved one way or the other. Keep us all hanging. Fn politicians.

        • July 23, 2014 at 5:13 pm
          Celtica says:
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          Sarah Palin tried that this week when ticketed for speeding…in Alaska.

    • July 23, 2014 at 8:26 pm
      Celtica says:
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      FFA: Laws cannot and should not go straight to the Supreme court because one side does not like it from the get go. It needs to proceed exactly as it was intended to.

      Add civility to the list of requirements to serve in the government.

  • July 23, 2014 at 2:11 pm
    Steven Rothschild says:
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    When I was in 8th grade, I learned a lot about the separation of powers. I learned what the president is supposed to do. I vaguely recall it had something to do with faithfully executing the laws passed by Congress, but I could be mistaken.

    Then, in high school and college, I learned quite a bit more as a political science major. Pushing on inexorably, I ended up at a top 20 law school, and got a passable grade in Constitutional Law.

    I never thought in my life, 10 year after graduation, that I would see president willfully rewriting the express statements in a law passed by Congress, rewriting a date that was written very clearly three times in the law, with no exceptions.

    I never thought, and I will now probably live to see, a split among intelligent, appeals court judges as to whether the word “state” means the same as the word “federal.”

    I wish I could go back in time to 8th grade, and then ask myself this question, and I think I would know the answer.

    I also never thought I would see a day when a federal agency, one supposed to be impartial, would harrass disfavored political groups in favor of the party controlling the office of the presidency.

    It is truly way past 1984.

    • July 23, 2014 at 3:32 pm
      KY jw says:
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      As a lawyer, shouldn’t you already understand the differences between strict constructionists and spirit of the law?

    • July 23, 2014 at 3:38 pm
      Agent says:
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      Steven, it is called the Ministry of Information and they control the state run media who is their lap dog. The truth is rarely spoken, just what they want to control. Media speak is just the opposite of reality. Yes, Orwell was a man of vision who could see into the future what our leaders would be like and how they would try to control the population.

      • July 23, 2014 at 4:01 pm
        Libby says:
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        The “Ministry of Information?” “State run media?” What ARE you babbling on about?

        • July 23, 2014 at 4:57 pm
          Agent says:
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          Well Libby, in your limited education, you apparently didn’t read 1984 by George Orwell. It was required reading in my school and we had to do a book report on it. It was as chilling then as it is now and many things we see now are very close to what the book describes. He also wrote Animal Farm which is a good look at Socialism. You should try it sometime.

          • July 24, 2014 at 9:01 am
            txmouthbreatherboogereatertx says:
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            I Call BS. 1984 was not published in coloring book form.

            http://thehairpin.com/2012/11/scandals-of-classic-hollywood-ronald-reagan-plays-the-president/

          • July 25, 2014 at 9:31 am
            Destro says:
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            I think that we’re more in line with Aldous Huxley’s “Brave New World” but there are definitely aspects of both that can help describe our society.

            2+2=5

          • July 25, 2014 at 1:51 pm
            txmouthbreatherboogereatertx says:
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            I used 2+2=5 already, it’s called new math in Texico

      • July 25, 2014 at 4:50 pm
        txmouthbreatherboogereatertx says:
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        I’m pretty sure Anabaptists aren’t supposed to read that type of material. Or read for that matter.

    • July 23, 2014 at 3:50 pm
      Agent says:
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      Good one Steven. You are very insightful about the intent of the Constitution. The oath of office is very clear that a President is bound to faithfully execute the laws of the land. He is also bound to protect and defend the country against all enemies, foreign and domestic. How is he doing on that score? Unfortunately, the liberal teachers and professors have been teaching revisionist history, not teaching civics and government. No wonder we have so many idiots posting their drivel on this site.

      • July 24, 2014 at 9:07 am
        txmouthbreatherboogereatertx says:
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        Agent says:

        Good one Steven. You are very insightful about the intent of the Constitution. The oath of office is very clear that a President is BOUND to faithfully execute the laws of the land. He is also BOUND to protect and defend the country against all enemies, foreign and domestic. How is he doing on that score? Unfortunately, the liberal teachers and professors have been teaching revisionist history, not teaching civics and government. No wonder we have so many idiots posting their drivel on this site.

        Into bondage much, hmmm?

        http://thehairpin.com/2012/11/scandals-of-classic-hollywood-ronald-reagan-plays-the-president/

    • July 23, 2014 at 3:58 pm
      Libby says:
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      “I never thought in my life, 10 year after graduation, that I would see president willfully rewriting the express statements in a law passed by Congress, rewriting a date that was written very clearly three times in the law, with no exceptions.”

      Look, I’m not a lawyer, but even I know the IRS is given the authority to delay implementation of certain laws. They did so with the ACA. There was no “changing” of a law passed by Congress.

      Maybe it’s time for a refresher course.

    • July 23, 2014 at 5:19 pm
      Celtica says:
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      Well, who ever thought we’d go to war over nothing but lies from Bush and Cheney.

      Living with pushing the laws to the max to provide health care to Americans is something I can live with.

      Nation rebuilding in Iraq — not so much…

      • July 25, 2014 at 9:37 am
        Destro says:
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        It’s not providing health care to Americans is the main thing that you and ideologues like you don’t get. I am a prime example of how Obamacare is bullshit. I can’t afford insurance, I can’t afford even the shittiest catastrophic plan. It is impossible for me to get any tax credit whatsoever though because my employer offers a healthcare plan. Regardless of whether or not I can afford THAT plan (hint: I can’t)just the mere fact that they have a plan disqualifies me from getting any help to pay for insurance.

        You liberals continue to harp on the Bush administration while continually pulling the wool over your own eyes by assuming that the ACA has been a net gain. It hasn’t.

        • July 25, 2014 at 10:29 am
          Libby says:
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          Destro – how is that you can’t afford your employers plan? You do know you can pay pre-tax, right?

        • July 25, 2014 at 3:21 pm
          txmouthbreatherboogereatertx says:
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          Sounds like it’s time for a new employer. I hear there a tons of jobs heading south of the border in Texico. The pay will be really low, the water is running low and tastes like natural gas and oil, the roads are busy because there aren’t enough of them and no one wants to pay for new ones. Some benefits are ok, you’ll get March 2nd off each year, but if you get sick they take you out to the back of the barn. You can go to Church and Wal-Mart at the same time, make sure you are packing. If you sit in the sun long enough you may be mistaken for someone you are not and they have the same laws as Florida Rico.

  • July 23, 2014 at 2:32 pm
    FFA says:
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    BYW, we are supposed to get 9 hours CE from our OBama Care Training. They have not transferred over to the state system.
    Yet another Pain in the a#@. This entire thing has been nothing but a joke.

    • July 23, 2014 at 2:35 pm
      Agent says:
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      FFA, who conducted the CE training? That is where I would start. Did they not give you a Certificate when it was completed? If it was done by the government, that may disappear into the labyrinth.

      • July 23, 2014 at 3:36 pm
        FFA says:
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        On Line in the govt site…. I know.. Im gonna need some luck with that one.

    • July 23, 2014 at 3:34 pm
      Agent says:
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      Well FFA, the story was broken by Townhall.com on the fraudulent incentives in Obamacare. This is the GAO, not a right wing organization who did these tests. Don’t you wish the millions who tried to use the website could get their apps to sail through like they can now? Submit all false info and get your coverage approved with no checks in the system. What a scheme!

  • July 23, 2014 at 3:38 pm
    FFA says:
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    I sent one through last week with a qualifying event that I would never imagine that it was a qualifying event. I guess the rules bend which ever way the “Help Desk” want them to.

  • July 23, 2014 at 6:11 pm
    DJByrne says:
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    Just when you thought Republicans had run out of ammunition attacking the Affordable Care Act comes another bomb. Today, Judge Raymond Randolph (appointed by George H. W. Bush) and Judge Thomas Griffith, (appointed by George W. Bush) decided that 5 million of the 8 million Americans now eligible for subsidies under the Act should lose them because, said the judges, the Act gives subsidies only to people who enroll under state exchanges rather than the federal exchange. This is an absurd reading of the Act, that would essentially destroy it – and it’s the direct result of another Republican-mounted lawsuit designed to land on the desks of right-wing Republican judges. Randolph, by the way, is a staunch conservative who has publicly called the Act “an unmitigated disaster.” Griffith isn’t much better. / The Obama administration will appeal to the entire D.C. Circuit. But rather than a long and drawn-out legal battle that might end up in the Supreme Court, the administration would do better to simply declare state exchanges to be part of the federal exchange system, and thereby undo the two judges’ tortured reading. The administration has the regulatory authority to do this; it’s already created state-federal “partnership” exchanges that don’t appear in the actual law. If John Boehner disagrees, let him sue

    • July 23, 2014 at 6:47 pm
      I don't usually comment, but says:
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      DJ, Good job copying and pasting Robert Reich’s comment. Next time you may want to attribute authorship unless you are trying to make others think this is an original thought.

  • July 24, 2014 at 11:58 am
    Jack says:
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    Move along people. Nothing to see here. Obamacareless fixed everything in the healthcare industry. It reduced the prices of meds, dr’s visits, at home care, medical supplies, etc. That’s why it’s called the affordable care act, because now everything is affordable. If you don’t agree with that, take your racist bigot cracka homophobic azz back to where you came from. LOL

  • July 24, 2014 at 1:18 pm
    Celtica - Click Here to See says:
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    Libby, did you ever get the impression we ought to just add ‘click here to see’ to our screen names? I mean really…

    • July 24, 2014 at 3:26 pm
      Jack says:
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      That’s racist!

    • July 24, 2014 at 4:02 pm
      Libby says:
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      Yes. The right-wing facists are busy censoring, while also burning books and killing doctors at abortion clinics. Private major is going to have to go to the V.A. for carpal tunnel surgery if he keeps up this pace.

  • July 24, 2014 at 6:25 pm
    Celtica - Click Here to See says:
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    Dear Insurance Journal:

    What do you bother filtering thumbed down posts? Is it because you want those who thumbed down the post(s) to move past it? If so, don’t you know that they get immense pleasure from doing so. Why deprive that of that simple pleasure in life?



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