10 Democrats & 12 Republicans all voted along party lines here. Your question could easily be tweaked to ask “Are Republicans able to think for themselves or must they always be in lockstep with one another?”
Except it can’t and not all bills are equal as to why a party is voting lock step.
For one: Statistics already show republicans break from their party more than democrats. I believe the numbers were democrats typically vote with their party 90% of the time, for republicans it was closer to 60%. The only tweaking done here is by false moderates like you and Ron.
Rosenblatt, Republicans see a bill or law that is wrong at face value and they vote against it. It just so happens that Obama and minions keep trying to run bad bills and then they act shocked when it is rejected by Republicans.
Scott, if you recall recent history when Obamacare was introduced and to be voted on, there were some Democrats that had reservations including the now extinct Blue Dogs. Pelosi coerced, threatened them, bribed them to vote for it before they read it so they voted with her without reading it. Most of those guys were looking for jobs after the 2010 mid terms. I think Obama called it a “shellacking”. Some of the others lost in the next big rejection in 2012. It was a joke how all this came down and the joke is on the American people as we speak.
The proper question is: why do Socialist Democrats oppose bills drafted by the politicians who were put in their majority position, by a landslide majority of US citizens, to enact bills that will help American businesses restore the US economy to a healthy condition?
Another proper question is why do Republicans oppose the policies of a president who won 2 elections by a significant margin? More importantly, if we are talking about majorities, how come Democrats tend to do better with a greater % of the population voting? Hint: voter fraud is not an acceptable answer since it has never been proven to have impacted any recent election.
Because of the “get out and vote” mentality and the uninformed voter in national elections. I say there should be a basic political or some other quiz before allowing people to vote and if they know where the candidates stand on various prominent issues.
From 1890 to 1908, ten of the eleven former Confederate states completed political suppression and exclusion…These included such requirements as…and a literacy test or comprehension test.
Prospective voters had to prove the ability to read and write the English language to white voter registrars, who in practice applied subjective requirements. Blacks were often denied the right to vote on this basis. Even well-educated blacks were often told they had “failed” such a test, if in fact, it had been administered.
On the other hand, illiterate whites were sometimes allowed to vote through a “grandfather clause,” which waived literacy requirements if one’s grandfather had been a qualified voter before 1866, or had served as a soldier, or was from a foreign country. As most blacks had grandfathers who were slaves before 1866 and could not have fulfilled any of those conditions, they could not use the grandfather clause exemption. Selective enforcement of the poll tax was frequently also used to disqualify black and poor white voters.
As a result of these measures, at the turn of the century voter rolls dropped markedly across the South. Most blacks and many poor whites were excluded from the political system for decades. Unable to vote, they were also excluded from juries or running for any office.
Hey Ron, your President is proposing the wrong things, that is why Republicans oppose him and stop him from damaging the country further. Hasn’t the past 6 years taught you anything about how bad Progressive Socialist policies are? Please don’t start in on how great this economy is under Obama. There is a new story out just this morning about almost half of American families are struggling paycheck to paycheck and cannot afford a simple repair to their home or auto if it exceeds $400. We have more on food stamps than at any other time and the lowest labor participation rate since 1978 so don’t give us those false platitudes that Obama is curing the job problem because he isn’t, hasn’t and won’t. By the way, raising taxes on the wealthy does not create jobs.
Wall Street was never held accountable for the economic meltdown of 2008. They learned so much from this that they went back to the trough of GOP Largesse to call off the Democratic Police. That is not a recipe to restore the economy. It is a recipe to repeat the lesson that they did not learn the first time.
A multitude of issues caused the 2008 economic collapse.
Put Wall Street at the top of the list of culprits who benefited from their own machinations. And no one was ever held accountable.
Since it felt good the first time, let’s all do it again!
The quick answer to the economic collapse rests with Bawney Frank, Chris Dodd, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and all the lobbyists who had influence over all of them. Throw in Fanny & Freddie and their schemes and you have the perfect storm.
Farmer, the pronunciation of the name was meant as an object of derision. He was easily one of the worst and corrupt legislators in the House for a very long time. If I recall, he had a boyfriend that worked for either Fanny or Freddie. No wonder he pronounced them both sound financially and no need for additional scrutiny prior to their meltdown.
Hey if Barney Frank, the other Democratic leaders of Congress and the people in charge at Fannie and Freddie weren’t held accountable then not sure I can blame Wall Street for trying again.
By that logic, if someone is not held accountable for commiting a crime the first time, we should excuse them from committing that same crime in the future.
Are Democrats able to think for themselves or must they always be in lockstep with one another?
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Except it can’t and not all bills are equal as to why a party is voting lock step.
For one: Statistics already show republicans break from their party more than democrats. I believe the numbers were democrats typically vote with their party 90% of the time, for republicans it was closer to 60%. The only tweaking done here is by false moderates like you and Ron.
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My comment was about the specific item the article was written about. As I said, all 10 Dem’s & 12 Repub’s voted along party lines on this bill.
Do you agree that SPECIFIC TO THIS MATTER ONLY, it is fair to say that both Dem’s and Repub’s voted in lockstep with their own parties?
Classic bob troll post: insult someone then ignore any replies. Lame.
Rosenblatt, Republicans see a bill or law that is wrong at face value and they vote against it. It just so happens that Obama and minions keep trying to run bad bills and then they act shocked when it is rejected by Republicans.
So…by that token are Republicans unable to think for themselves as they were in lockstep with each other?
Scott, if you recall recent history when Obamacare was introduced and to be voted on, there were some Democrats that had reservations including the now extinct Blue Dogs. Pelosi coerced, threatened them, bribed them to vote for it before they read it so they voted with her without reading it. Most of those guys were looking for jobs after the 2010 mid terms. I think Obama called it a “shellacking”. Some of the others lost in the next big rejection in 2012. It was a joke how all this came down and the joke is on the American people as we speak.
The proper question is: why do Socialist Democrats oppose bills drafted by the politicians who were put in their majority position, by a landslide majority of US citizens, to enact bills that will help American businesses restore the US economy to a healthy condition?
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Because of the “get out and vote” mentality and the uninformed voter in national elections. I say there should be a basic political or some other quiz before allowing people to vote and if they know where the candidates stand on various prominent issues.
That (sarcastically) worked great in the past.
From 1890 to 1908, ten of the eleven former Confederate states completed political suppression and exclusion…These included such requirements as…and a literacy test or comprehension test.
Prospective voters had to prove the ability to read and write the English language to white voter registrars, who in practice applied subjective requirements. Blacks were often denied the right to vote on this basis. Even well-educated blacks were often told they had “failed” such a test, if in fact, it had been administered.
On the other hand, illiterate whites were sometimes allowed to vote through a “grandfather clause,” which waived literacy requirements if one’s grandfather had been a qualified voter before 1866, or had served as a soldier, or was from a foreign country. As most blacks had grandfathers who were slaves before 1866 and could not have fulfilled any of those conditions, they could not use the grandfather clause exemption. Selective enforcement of the poll tax was frequently also used to disqualify black and poor white voters.
As a result of these measures, at the turn of the century voter rolls dropped markedly across the South. Most blacks and many poor whites were excluded from the political system for decades. Unable to vote, they were also excluded from juries or running for any office.
Hey Ron, your President is proposing the wrong things, that is why Republicans oppose him and stop him from damaging the country further. Hasn’t the past 6 years taught you anything about how bad Progressive Socialist policies are? Please don’t start in on how great this economy is under Obama. There is a new story out just this morning about almost half of American families are struggling paycheck to paycheck and cannot afford a simple repair to their home or auto if it exceeds $400. We have more on food stamps than at any other time and the lowest labor participation rate since 1978 so don’t give us those false platitudes that Obama is curing the job problem because he isn’t, hasn’t and won’t. By the way, raising taxes on the wealthy does not create jobs.
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And pray tell, what caused the 2008 collapse?
Deregulation, I take it?
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The quick answer to the economic collapse rests with Bawney Frank, Chris Dodd, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and all the lobbyists who had influence over all of them. Throw in Fanny & Freddie and their schemes and you have the perfect storm.
Well Agent, you did get Mr. Franks pronunciation correct!
Farmer, the pronunciation of the name was meant as an object of derision. He was easily one of the worst and corrupt legislators in the House for a very long time. If I recall, he had a boyfriend that worked for either Fanny or Freddie. No wonder he pronounced them both sound financially and no need for additional scrutiny prior to their meltdown.
Hey if Barney Frank, the other Democratic leaders of Congress and the people in charge at Fannie and Freddie weren’t held accountable then not sure I can blame Wall Street for trying again.
plymnn,
By that logic, if someone is not held accountable for commiting a crime the first time, we should excuse them from committing that same crime in the future.
Smart.