Maybe someone needs to tell those Republicans in Congress that elections have consequences and they should just give President Trump whatever he wants.
Maybe it will take a while longer to work out the PROPER SOLUTION to health insurance costs that directly impact AFFORDABILITY?
Yeah; that’s it. Anyone who suggest that TrumPresident is NOW trying to convince Congress to adapt Socialized healthcare after he ran on a platform of REPEALING such a plan, is foolish, ignorant, or a George Sore-ass-paid interneTROLL.
President Trump is the one who was quoted saying, “We’re going to have insurance for everybody. There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”
How else should someone interpret that?
Since the PPACA is not socialized medicine/universal health care, repealing it may lead to universal health care.
I don’t interpret it as I see fit, as you just did.
I see the words he spoke and see NOTHING that says ‘social insurance’ in them.
TrumPresident has said there won’t be mandates. So, how can a socialist insurance program be established? Also, he said those who cannot afford insurance will be subsidized, as is currently done with Medicaid.
I won’t reveal anything else at this point. Figure out what he means without basing it on your pre-determined agenda.
“On the first day of presidency, on my very first day I plan to repeal Obamacare so hard that it’ll make his ancestors in Africa shiver with awe. I mean, I am going to take that piece of legislation and wipe my a** with it. That’s how much I dislike Obamacare and what I think about it. By the way, that’s also how I feel about Ted Cruz, but that’s not the point right now,” Trump said jokingly, causing Stephanopoulos to laugh.
“Seriously though,” the billionaire businessman continued, “that’s what I plan on doing. And then first thing in the morning on day two, I’m going to replace it with a much better service that’s genuinely going to take care of every poor person in the United States. I’m talking daily food rations, clean clothes, a place to spend the night, possibly new jobs, it’s all going to be awesome, it’s going to be utopia. I’m going to make it so good that people are going to want to become homeless just to qualify for Trumpcare. And by the way, that’s what I’m going to call it. A huge, flashy neon sign is going to be placed above the entrance to every Trumpcare facility across the country. I want people to know who made it possible for them to have a better life.”
Sounds pretty socialist to me.
February 7, 2017 at 9:27 am
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So, if President Obama had said those exact words, you would not have been screaming Socialism?
Please do not answer, it was rhetorical.
February 7, 2017 at 9:48 am
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ACA is Socialism…. no need for anyone who understands the term to make any other comments on it, as you suggested.
February 7, 2017 at 1:25 pm
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“On the first day of presidency, on my very first day I plan to repeal Obamacare so hard that it’ll make his ancestors in Africa shiver with awe. I mean, I am going to take that piece of legislation and wipe my a** with it. That’s how much I dislike Obamacare and what I think about it. By the way, that’s also how I feel about Ted Cruz, but that’s not the point right now,” Trump said jokingly, causing Stephanopoulos to laugh.
“Seriously though,” the billionaire businessman continued, “that’s what I plan on doing. And then first thing in the morning on day two, I’m going to replace it with a much better service that’s genuinely going to take care of every poor person in the United States. I’m talking daily food rations, clean clothes, a place to spend the night, possibly new jobs, it’s all going to be awesome, it’s going to be utopia. I’m going to make it so good that people are going to want to become homeless just to qualify for Trumpcare. And by the way, that’s what I’m going to call it. A huge, flashy neon sign is going to be placed above the entrance to every Trumpcare facility across the country. I want people to know who made it possible for them to have a better life.”
Sounds pretty socialist to me.
February 9, 2017 at 8:51 am
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TWO exact posts in the same sub-thread will get you a report for spamming.
February 9, 2017 at 12:46 pm
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Comrade Yogi,
They aren’t exact, IJ doesn’t let you post the EXACT same thing. They never have. And, you re-post all the time because of the so-called “bots”.
February 9, 2017 at 7:35 pm
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Only veteran spammers know how to avoid being censored for identical posts.
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Hiya TrumpPolarSwamp, is now a good time to bring out all those plans the GOP said they had — along with your insider plans??? Just wondering.
TrumpPolarSwamp, you don’t have any insider info. I know that, you know that, everyone knows that.
February 6, 2017 at 5:47 pm
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Care to bet? I gave everyone a clue, several times. When the plans are publicized so that the sources of the final method is revealed, the details will be easy to match up with my clue.
Meanwhile, Libitteral; get a clue, yourself. Your side lost the election. And, elections have consequences; e.g. you DON’T get to see ANYTHING in progress behind closed doors.
February 7, 2017 at 9:53 am
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Nancy Pelosi said yesterday that she can’t work with President Bush (sic). That’s a typical comment from someone who was deeply involved in passing the ACA bill.
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Maybe it will take a while longer to work out the PROPER SOLUTION to health insurance costs that directly impact AFFORDABILITY?
Yeah; that’s it. Anyone who suggest that TrumPresident is NOW trying to convince Congress to adapt Socialized healthcare after he ran on a platform of REPEALING such a plan, is foolish, ignorant, or a George Sore-ass-paid interneTROLL.
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There is nothing left for you to say. Lies were told. “Plans” didn’t work out. Our Government is ran by a known white supremacist(Bannon) and Trump will be impeached eventually. Admit this isn’t going as expected. Have you read anything about what is truly going on? Let me guess it is all (and don’t forget the caps) FAKE NEWS? You were lied to. I was lied to. I voted Trump and remarkably it has only taken a couple weeks to realize it is one of the biggest mistakes I’ve ever made. I AM SORRY TO EVERYONE HERE WHO POINTED OUT THE DANGERS OF THIS MAN. He is mentally unfit to hold office and his irrational, unplanned decision making demonstrates this. MORE THAN EVER WE MUST REALIZE THOSE WHO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT TRUMP ARE ALSO MENTALLY UNFIT TO HOLD CONVERSATIONS AND MUST BE FORGIVEN FOR THEIR LACK OF SELF. They only believe what Trump says and folks that is going to lead us one step closer to the fascist government President Bannon is trying to implement. OPEN YOUR EYES.
A Conservative is a person who need not state he/ she is conservative. Otherwise, it is a Libitteral trying to discredit Conservatives by posing as one and lying or mis-representing conservative values.
BTW: TrumPresident isn’t a Conservative, but at times he acts like one.
February 7, 2017 at 1:10 pm
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February 7, 2017 at 1:13 pm
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February 7, 2017 at 1:27 pm
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Comrade Yogi,
Don’t you mean start ignoring? Because you clearly just did the opposite of ignoring.
February 8, 2017 at 11:04 am
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I’ll selectively ignore libitterals; some of their remarks are just too good to pass up commenting on, for yucks for all.
February 11, 2017 at 6:47 pm
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They have no reason to impeach Trump before the midterms, just like they have no intention of repealing and replacing this before the midterms. Trump is popular among know-nothing Republicans, which make up the majority at this point. Over 50% don’t know the ACA and Obamacare are different, and the majority who support the travel ban believe the non-existent “Bowling Green Massacre justifies it.
Trump is popular with these representatives, and they cannot go against him until he isn’t. His supporters largely live in an alternate reality, and will not go against him until it is too late and pointless to even remove him. Additionally these representatives are getting what they want and Trump is being blamed for much of it. Most of the Republican Party is based on racism and “fake news” at this point.
TrumPolar, Nancy Pelosi Galore should resign if she can’t keep her President’s straight. She also said she would pole vault over the fence to get it passed and last, but not least said she had to pass it to see what was in it. I think the Botox has taken its toll.
Still trolling me, right? Any comment, any story, any day of the week. You are the purveyor of Fake News and it is sad.
February 7, 2017 at 2:56 pm
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Apparently there are only 2 kinds on news now, Positive News for President Trump and Fake News. And you referred to President Obama as a dictator. This is what a dictatorship actually looks like.
1) It’s not trolling if it’s true. And on that note….
2) How is this fake news? She said there was a massacre at a specific location, and there was no massacre.
February 11, 2017 at 6:49 pm
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Agent doesn’t understand what “fake news” is. He is one of the over 50% of Trump supporters who think the Bowling Green Massacre is justification for the travel ban. He makes an asinine statement, it is replied to with a fact, and he calls that trolling. It speaks for itself for any rational, reality based intelligent person.
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@Agent; Pelosi must have fallen after her pole vault, landing on her head.
And Kellyanne Conway’s “excuse” for making up a massacre that never happened is….what now?
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Listen to her explanation. She made an ‘apology’ for mis-speaking, unlike Pelosi, HRC, and Waters.
February 9, 2017 at 9:24 am
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Further, Kellyanne Conway never enacted a law that HARMED hundreds of millions of Americans. She never HID FACTS from US citizens until the underlying impacts were ‘unleashed’ upon US citizens, too late to reverse course. Pelosi Galore is the modern day equivalent of Franklin D Roosevelt circa Dec. 7, 1941.
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Your behavior comparing giving people health care and the Pearl Harbor bombing is reprehensible.
February 10, 2017 at 4:51 pm
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TrumPolar, the US Senate is supposed to be the greatest deliberative body in the world and yet we have a Chucky Shmucky Schumer and Lizzy Borden Lieawatha Warren in it. Wow, did NY and Massachusetts get those choices wrong.
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Maybe it will take a while longer to work out the PROPER SOLUTION to health insurance costs that directly impact AFFORDABILITY?
Yeah; that’s it. Anyone who suggest that TrumPresident is NOW trying to convince Congress to adapt Socialized healthcare after he ran on a platform of REPEALING such a plan, is foolish, ignorant, or a George Sore-ass-paid interneTROLL.
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TrumPolar, if you were a resident of the great State of Massachusetts and your choice for Senator was Lieawatha Warren or Curt Schilling, the Conservative retired World Series hero, who would you vote for? Looks like Lieawatha is falling on hard times and she was ranting in the Senate the other day bashing Sessions and they had enough of her and told her to sit down and shut up.
I’m waiting for Lie-a-watha’s re-election campaign, and hope to see a few political bean-ball pitches by Curt. Lizzie is almost certain to strike out if TrumPresident gets involved by rallying support for Schilling.
The Liberal MainstreamMedia will likely report it as ‘Angry, violent Paleface vs. innocent Native American squaw’.
The plan is not finalized because a team of underwriters, attorneys, accountants/ CPAs, and actuarials are working on the details for each of tehir areas of expertise.
Libitterals on the internet can only criticize that a PLAN has not been publicized YET by REPUBLICANS. They continue to PARROT libitteral talking points about “8 years to produce a plan”, completely ignoring the Price Plan publicized over 18 months ago, and recent plans publicized by Rand Paul and Paul Ryan.
I’ll watch closely how Libitterals respond when they read the details intended to ADDRESS PROBLEMS that ACA ignored or failed miserably to tackle and solve. Instead, ACA just TAXED people to re-distribute wealth instead of reducing the costs associated with maintaining good health. In other words, Liberal Dems were more interested in GAINING POLITICAL POWER THROUGH INCREASED SOCIALIZATION OF US ECONOMIC SYSTEMS than helping The People they lied to for their votes.
Funny how the forum clown voted for the former President twice. What a liberal clown! By the way, saying that you disagreed with “some” of his policies is not a valid criticism.
Agent,
Your insults have been reported. I’m pretty sure you aren’t to personally attack another poster out here calling them a clown. Why do you continue to think it’s okay for you to do it?
Ron, a Progressive thinks the Constitution is a living document to be interpreted however they want. Your hero complained about it’s restrictions and only enforced laws he wanted to. Trump and Sessions will restore abiding by it and all other laws including immigration laws.
Absent from your list are people that deal with this constantly. People that are licensed, Insured, Bonded local professionals that know more about the local markets and individuals needs more then the list above.
Maybe someone that takes Ethics Training, that sits on Main St USA sitting across the desk face to face advising Joe average American as to what their options are.
People that sit in cubicles just dont know all there is to know.
Apparently, locals only know ‘local things’, but haven’t figured out how to reduce costs and encourage low cost risks to insure, and not use a mandate to attempt (but fail) to avoid adverse selection.
And we know nothing about the people that wander our towns. Apparently our ability to pull people off the unemployment line one at a time per agency dont matter either.
FFA, off topic, but what did you think of the game? I was a bit shocked that the Falcons came out, got some turnovers and built a big lead on the Patriots.
The problem was that Atlanta’s defense was out on the field too long. By the fourth quarter, their tongues were hanging out and Brady could do whatever he wanted. He ended up with 466 yards passing while Ryan was standing on the sideline wishing he could get back in the game. I know everyone hates Brady and the Patriots, but a team has to play 60 minutes against them to beat them. 35 minutes will not cut it.
Most teams with a 28-3 deficit would have packed it in and hoped to get back the next year. Best comeback I have ever seen.
February 8, 2017 at 11:08 am
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Ron fears the PROPER Solution that will emerge from the current discussions among Republicans working on combining ideas submitted by insurance professionals and politicians.
FYI: the delay in announcing a plan is due to SEVERAL LATE ENTRIES that had to be read and considered because they included new ideas.
Better late than hasty and poorly designed, like ACA.
If you want the Country to improve, then support REASONABLE solutions to problems caused by ACA, and the ongoing problems in the Healthcare industry, as well as med mal tort laws.
Examples:
1. Licensing across state lines was NOT addressed by Dems seeking to TAKE OVER the Healthcare and Health Insurance industries rather than FIX THOSE UNDERLYING PROBLEMS.
2. Med Mal tort law reform WAS NOT ADDRESSED by Dems who were only motivated by SOCIALIST principles, to TAKE CONTROL of the Healthcare and Insurance industries.
There are other issues the Dems NEVER sought to fix, but which are being meticulously analyzed RIGHT NOW by GOP members and several people in the insurance industry, as well as academics and business people in other industries.
To PROVE your good intentions to FIX things, please offer your suggestions as to how to fix things, or which things suggested will work or not, rather than criticize EVERYTHING done by one side of the political aisle. Ready, … steady, … GO!
1. I do support this. However, I ma the only one to understand that this REQUIRES either federal regulation of health insurance (interstate commerce) or forcing states to allow health insurance policies to be written in their state even if it does not meet their regulatory guidelines.
2. I support this. However, I have not seen a study that shows it will reduce health insurance premiums by more than 2%.
These are good idea, but do not address the real issues of reducing health care costs, affordability and/or access to quality health insurance for ALL American citizens. That is where the Republicans have fallen short.
I have presented my solution several times. IMO, we should have a Universal Health Care system where everyone is covered under the same plan ande the government ONLY collects premiums in the form of taxes, then remits the premiums to PRIVATE health insurance companies. This would provide the ultimate buying power with medical suppliers and would eliminate nearly all of the issues people complain about regarding health care.
As a bonus, my solution would eliminate Medicaid, Medicare and VA Health Care. In other words, no more government involvement in health care administration.
And you can throw in tort reform too.
Anything else?
February 9, 2017 at 7:45 pm
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@Ron; you are narrow minded. OLD Studies aren’t valid for assessing the proposals NOW being considered. If you were a friend of The Wright Bros., or Henry Ford, we might still be traveling on mules and horses.
1. 50 statutes may use conforming policy allowances for that end.
2. Unique approaches are being considered. The 2% figure you quote is absolutely absurd. No one would bother with those types of reform as it is a waste of effort. Lawyers were involved in quelling past efforts… but won’t be allowed to do so in regard to this critical issue.
Stay tuned, and be ready to say you were wrong and you underestimated the new proposals ability to fix problems rather than tax people to pay for politicians failures.
February 10, 2017 at 9:00 am
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TrumPolarBear,
My position is and always has been that neither the Republicans nor Candidate Trump ever had a single plan. They have proven me to be right. If I were wrong, we would have seen said plans by now. Or, at the very least, not hear them talk about how they have to reconcile up to 9 plans and we have to wait until 2018. All we here from them, and you, are high level ideas.
February 10, 2017 at 4:45 pm
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Ron, you fear anything that is not Single Payer as you have advocated for since 2010.
I do not fear alternate, failed solutions, I just point out the superiority of a single payer system, run by private companies.
February 6, 2017 at 10:18 am
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Further, the ‘Republican Replacement Plan’ is NOT a single plan. It involves statutory changes in EACH of the 50 states and other US jurisdictions, for tort reform as regards med mal awards, AND licensing of HI cos. across state lines for increased competition and cost efficiency.
Libitterals who claims that Republicans failed to offer alternative plans over the LAST 8* YEARS, and does so after being informed SEVERAL TIMES that Obama would VETO such plans, are being disingenuous or hypocritical. No further responses to such GEORGE SORE-ASS-PAID INTERNETROLLS are warranted.
Keep repeating that to yourself, along with “it’s only a bad dream; Trump isn’t POTUS. Hillary is.” Do that for four years, or maybe 8 years, and you’ll be ok.
I will not take serious any proposal put forth by either side that doubles down on the dated and failing employer-based health insurance system. We need to get health care consumers more involved in their own care. It is preposterous to continue cost shifting to consumers without giving them additional tools to take on an increasing role in their own health care decisions. I think having the extra party (employer) involved in the transaction is counterproductive to this goal. Also, close the self-funded coverage loopholes which allow large employers to offer substandard coverage that do not comply with state coverage mandates.
I can hope, but most prior Republican proposals seem to move in the opposite directions and focus on ridiculous solutions to non-issues (large loss capping, state lines, etc) rather than serious attempts to put the consumer front and center. My consumer-oriented approach would be heavily focused on cost transparency measures (I don’t mean insurance costs). It is disingenuous to claim to be a free-market proponent when the actual consumer of health care is not even aware of the actual costs being incurred and doesn’t know how much something costs until they get a bill for it several weeks later.
The GOP ‘plan’ isn’t one plan. ‘IT’ addresses MANY things, including statutes, claim costs, expenses, regulations, policy language …. and other stuff.
February 7, 2017 at 1:15 pm
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Nine people, thus far, are unhappy that the GOP is going to repeal ACA and ACTUALLY FIX the underlying problems with healthcare and health insurance.
Those 9 and others will be nowhere to be found when the ACA repeal and replace occurs and succeeds.
February 7, 2017 at 5:04 pm
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When I see a proposal that addresses the underlying drivers of healthcare cost AND provides a 100% solution to the payer issue, I’ll be on board no matter who proposes it. Since politicians, and especially conservatives, tend to focus on tiny issues and pretend the big ones don’t exist, I won’t hold my breath.
February 8, 2017 at 11:10 am
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February 9, 2017 at 9:41 am
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@youngin’
The underlying costs are being addressed by statutes, rather than a federal bill; e.g. med mal tort reforms to lower costs that will eventually be passed onto patients of healthcare providers. Tort limits on med mal pain & suffering/ punitive damages are being considered on a state by state basis. More details later.
February 9, 2017 at 1:27 pm
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Interesting. What is the estimated cost savings of these reforms?
About 10 minutes of research provided the following. Total US Healthcare expenditures for 2015 was about $3.2T. Total Medical Malpractice payments in 2014 was about $3.6B. Assuming “tort reform” can somehow reduce these payments by 50% (very aggressive assumption), the total reduction on US healthcare spending on a percentage basis is .0006 or 0.06%, a little over 1/20 of 1%.
The estimated annual increase in healthcare spending is around 5.8%. Using my assumptions, tort reform can provide a one-time reduction in the annual expenditure growth from 5.8% to 5.74%. That’s barely a rounding error.
Here, let me instead write these numbers out so you can see the number of zeroes:
Total Spend: 3,200,000,000,000
Potential Savings: 1,800,000,000
Savings Ratio: .0006
So, if tort reform is part of the solution, fine. But the impact will be small. This should not be the solution you guys should lead with. Tort reform should be on page 2.
But consider the SUPPLY effect of med mal insurance on the number of HC providers. Bed pan mutuals can only support so many doctors and hospitals. At some point, the education system needs to be revised to increase the supply of medical treatment service providers.
Is it beginning to sink in on critics like you that this isn’t a problem that can be fixed with a bandage???
You’ll just have to wait to see the FULL LIST of fixes, some of which are late entries to the pool of suggestions being sifted through and tested by ‘experts’ from various professions.
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Psst; I almost forgot; you wouldn’t cut it as an actuary or CPA trying to properly quantify the effects of med mal on healthcare providers. Many punitive damages are NOT insured / covered by traditional insurance covers. THOSE are very significant and are passed back to patients via charge loads on just about every service or medical good dispensed.
February 17, 2017 at 2:56 pm
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I have asked for an estimate a couple of times and you’ve declined to quantify the potential impact. I would say YOU wouldn’t cut it as an actuary or CPA either.
February 6, 2017 at 5:57 pm
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Let me add that an employer’s involvement in an individual’s health care initiatives is as harmful as a federal government getting involved in the same matters. Evidence of this is… ACA… and Medicare… and Medicaid… and the VA Healthcare System.
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Libitterals who claims that Republicans failed to offer alternative plans over the LAST 8* YEARS, and does so after being informed SEVERAL TIMES that Obama would VETO such plans, are being disingenuous or hypocritical. No further responses to such GEORGE SORE-ASS-PAID INTERNETROLLS are warranted.
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Yet they voted 60 times to repeal the ACA, knowing full well that such votes would be vetoed. Therefore, your argument is invalid, and you are a whacko.
Offering their “replacement plan” would have had the same effect. In fact, if they actually had a good replacement plan, that would be even more impactful in campaign ads against Democrats. Woosh! Right over your head!
TrumPolarBear, looks like the multiple votes provided by Ron gave you a number of thumbs down. Just another way liberals skew polls. Ron must have a wonderful life to feel the need to multiple vote. Is he one of those 26 year olds who still lives in his mom’s basement as he can’t get out in the real world to fend for himself.
Anyway, I’m all for this taking time to get done right as opposed to the way the Democrats rushed it through on a totally partisan basis with absolutely no Republican support. Hopefully the Republicans come through with a well thought out solution and reach across the aisle for the few sane Democrats to try to get something done on a bipartisan basis.
1. For the record, I do not vote up or down, ever.
2. I am not a Liberal.
3. Add 20 years.
4. Both of my parents are deceased, I have been leaving on my own for ~20 years and now own my house.
5. The criticism is not how long it is taking, it is holding elected officials accountable for their lies. We have been told by the Republicans and President Trump that they have plans. If that were truer, they should be able to produce said plans.
Plans are the business of Republicans to decide upon. Libitterals are not going to have ANY access to them, kind of like Nancy Pelosi Galore and Harry Reid shut out Republicans from their (Dems) meetings on ACA. Elections have consequences.
But, Libitterals can cling to the ‘they had plans they said they’d publish on Day One’ rant. It is their only means of criticizing Republicans on a series of coordinated actions to fix the problems left by incompetent Dems.
Yes, Obama lied (how’s that “shut-down” Guantanamo Bay doing?), but that doesn’t mean it should be acceptable when other political folks, especially the President, lies.
Ron has called out Obama for his lies and he calls out Trump when Trump lies. Ron has held BOTH men accountable for lying (and Hillary too) – it seems you’re giving a free-pass on Trump’s lies because the guy before him did it too.
If the CEO of a company took all the 401K contributions for their personal use, should the next CEO be able to do it too just because “the other guy did it also”?
I say no. What do you say?
February 7, 2017 at 12:51 pm
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Yes he did, and I have criticized him when he has.
Do you think that gives President Trump, his administration and the Republicans a green light to just lie whenever they want?
February 7, 2017 at 1:18 pm
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@Ron; no one but Libitterals care that the GOP hasn’t YET repealed and replaced, or even announced, their ACA repeal and replace details.
Those who voted for change from Socialism to Capitalism are confident in the end result and realize bad things take time to fix, and good things take time to build.
February 7, 2017 at 5:10 pm
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Patticake, the Obama Administration bragged that they were scandal free for 8 years. I had a good laugh at that. The Pinocchio nose stretched from DC to LA.
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Notice that IJ has discovered how to ELIMINATE multiple votes.
It was a simple fix to use IP addresses through proxy servers as a means of detecting multi-posting of down votes or up votes.
I’m surprised it took them so long to achieve that programming fix.
Libitterals won’t be able to censor Conservatives on IJ any more, and must debate here on the merits of their positions rather than apply the free software BOTs they’ve relied upon in the past.
Did anyone on this forum get an “Inquiry Error” like I did when I tried to comment today? Apparently, it had to get fixed and it is now. Never saw that before.
Confused, following is a good one for you to ponder.
Maybe the reason grown adults are acting like children about President Trump is because he has stepped up and has acted like the “strict parent” to a group of spoiled, ignorant and entitled “teenagers” in a Government that has been in need of a true Father figure for a long time.
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Hi AgenTroll! Thanks for the insult. It was nice to read your off-topic message with the deliberate intent of provoking me into an emotional response.
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Father figure, ha! Yeah, the dysfunctional dad who wants to jump his daughter’s bones, walks around in his bath robe at night, playing with light switches, watching too much fake news TV, obsessed with why he is one of the most disliked Presidents of all time, and it’s only been a couple weeks! I wonder if he already has the room picked out where he knows the light switches and will be watching SNL this Saturday. Oh, and drapes, let’s not forget the drapes. He’s spent more time on drapery catalogs than he has on his briefings. This poor excuse of a man is nothing more than an orange clown. Sad. So sad.
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@Planetarium; voters don’t care about the speculation you continue to list, as if it will rally libitterals for the upcoming mid-term elections and the 2020 POTUS election.
By the time TrumPresident gets through reversing Obama’s damaging EOs and the GOP controlled Congress enacts a repeal & replacement for ACA, lowers income tax rates and creating economic/ political/ fiscal CONDITIONS that will lead to millions of new jobs and return to the US of trillions of capital from foreign lands … there will be very few Dem US senators to oppose any initiatives put forth by the GOP or TrumPresident….
That is what Libitterals fear the most, and are trying desperately to block. But words on the internet and ineffective censoring of Conservatives will not achieve their objectives.
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Dave; IJ staff and IT support are now fixing the board to exclude, albeit on a delayed basis, multiple votes from cloaking websites or the same IP addresses.
Votes, up or down, going forward must be based on substantiated sources that are not using BOTs or other devices to repeat votes.
That isn’t a poll, and liberals cannot skew polls, it doesn’t even make sense.
The Democrats did not rush the ACA, it was formed and debated in committee, including Republican amendments; the entire plan is based on a Republican plan. Even though Republicans got their amendment included they still all voted against it.
Anybody can say they are for or against the plan, but if you say it was created in secret, or rushed you are simply factually wrong, and ignorant on the topic, or lying.
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Maybe it will take a while longer to work out the PROPER SOLUTION to health insurance costs that directly impact AFFORDABILITY?
Yeah; that’s it. Anyone who suggest that TrumPresident is NOW trying to convince Congress to adapt Socialized healthcare after he ran on a platform of REPEALING such a plan, is foolish, ignorant, or a George Sore-ass-paid interneTROLL.
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TrumPolar, how about a good one to drive the bots crazy? I may set a record on dislikes.
Liberal Logic 101
Picture a young college couple walking along. The guy says: I’ll run over and pick up both our welfare checks, then drop by the University to see what is holding up our Federal Education Grants. You go by the Free Clinic for a pregnancy test. If it is positive, fill out the paperwork for government assistance, baby bonus and WIC. Oh, recharge our food stamp cards and pick up my free glasses. Let’s meet up at noon at the State House for the mass picketing against the greedy Republicans who want us to go get jobs!
Oh! OK, then, when do they get their new Obama phone?
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The plan is not finalized because a team of underwriters, attorneys, accountants/ CPAs, and actuarials are working on the details for each of tehir areas of expertise.
Libitterals on the internet can only criticize that a PLAN has not been publicized YET by REPUBLICANS. They continue to PARROT libitteral talking points about “8 years to produce a plan”, completely ignoring the Price Plan publicized over 18 months ago, and recent plans publicized by Rand Paul and Paul Ryan.
I’ll watch closely how Libitterals respond when they read the details intended to ADDRESS PROBLEMS that ACA ignored or failed miserably to tackle and solve. Instead, ACA just TAXED people to re-distribute wealth instead of reducing the costs associated with maintaining good health. In other words, Liberal Dems were more interested in GAINING POLITICAL POWER THROUGH INCREASED SOCIALIZATION OF US ECONOMIC SYSTEMS than helping The People they lied to for their votes.
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TrumPolar, you are magnificent handling these trolls that seek to silence you. Keep up the good work. We know you speak the truth and they speak the lie’s. There is a new Sheriff in town and Elections have Consequences.
Is anyone else tired of the focus for our health care issues being on the insurance plans to pay for it? Can someone please focus on the underlying costs of healthcare?? Insurance is a pass-through mechanism. The cost of insurance is high because the underlying costs are crazy. My father recently had knee replacement surgery in a new hospital. The place was a palace! Very opulent and not necessary for his treatment. And the facility is paid for by the patients through their insurance plans. My son had an appendectomy with a 23 hour stay in the hospital and the bill was over $50,000! Seriously?
The replacement is taking time because actuaries and underwriters are analyzing underlying costs, including med mal premium pass-backs, expenses associated with multi-state licensing inefficiencies, and innovative use of high risk pools.
The wait will be worth it. Dems will be exposed as lazy and intereted in political power rather than improved affordability through competitive pressures and cost analyses.
TrumPolar, President Trump has already met with Big Pharma about the high cost of drugs. Let’s hope that the FDA is being reviewed about their program under Obama which never touched on high drug prices. Lobbyists influence has kept the prices up for many years. Too much bureaucratic red tape is never good for the citizens.
Yes. I made several comments to this effect. I think cost transparency should be a first priority. This is an area where the government actually can and should have a leadership role. Keep in mind that this is only part of the solution. The majority of health costs come from a small minority of procedures where cost transparency isn’t going to have a big impact because insurance bears the brunt of the cost. And the payer issue is still important. But, patients should be given the actual cost up front before the procedure is agreed to. This is standard practice in almost every other transaction. But, with healthcare, the provider can’t/won’t provide this information upon request. It’s asinine! We should demand better!
What the government can and should do is make healthcare providers disclose these costs in a standardized way. This is already done with almost every major purchase a consumer can make (lending disclosures, etc). Common sense, yet not common in conservative (or liberal) reform proposals (at least the way they are reported – I admit I don’t read the text of every proposal). Ridiculous!
Health Care Networks were used extensively in the past. A hospital or Doctor would have to live with what was negotiated with the carrier on procedures/treatment. They could bill all day a $50,000 treatment and would get paid a fraction of that.
If medical costs were still fully insured I’m sure this model would be fine. I don’t know what a typical family deductible or other cost-sharing arrangement would have looked like 30 or 40 years ago. All I know is that, as it stands, deductibles are reaching eye-popping numbers that verge on not being affordable for many families.
What this means is that insurers are negotiating with healthcare providers and then asking the consumers to pay a large portion of these negotiated costs without the consumer having any transparency or say in this process. Because of this process, it is not straightforward for a consumer to compare providers on a cost basis. If consumers are going to be asked to shoulder these costs, then they should have the right to get a transparent set of price disclosures in advance of scheduling a procedure. We always demand this in almost every other type of transaction, and in some larger and more complicated transactions the government mandates a set of disclosures that are intended to help the consumer compare options (such as lending disclosures).
How Republicans are not pushing for consumer right reform in healthcare when they claim to be free market conservatives simply boggles my mind. Oops I forgot, regulation bad, Invisible Hand knows all. Worship the Hand.
LOL @ Lizzy ‘Lie-a-watha’ Warren, being censored yesterday, by long standing US Senate rules, and thus being shut down in her attempt to discredit/ insult Jeff Sessions and filibuster his nomination.
Well, she didn’t get her way and Sessions is our new DOJ. Now, we can have some real prosecutions instead of sweeping things under the rug. I expect some of those liberal lemmings under Holder and Lynch will be shown the door.
Trumpolar, was Spiccoli the prototype of the protester, OWS, Soros funded types. Dumb as a box of rocks, irresponsible, no values, no sense of right and wrong?
I’ll meet you guys / gals on the comment board for the above linked story. See you soon, and hope to have a polite discussion of the facts and reasonable points for speculation.
It is becoming increasing clear that TrumpPolarBear is as compulsively consumed by ratings as the Comrade in Chief is. Makes one wonder if they are one and the same, just with multiple personalities
TrumPolar, they will try different tactics like changing their moniker and pretending to be someone else as has UW & Actu. The good news is that they won’t be able to down vote or upvote ad nauseum and Conservatives will have a shot at being heard.
I am guessing it will take him that long to convince the Republicans in Congress that we need, as he has advocated for, universal health care.
http://ijr.com/2016/02/537107-5-times-donald-trump-praised-socialized-healthcare/
Maybe someone needs to tell those Republicans in Congress that elections have consequences and they should just give President Trump whatever he wants.
Maybe it will take a while longer to work out the PROPER SOLUTION to health insurance costs that directly impact AFFORDABILITY?
Yeah; that’s it. Anyone who suggest that TrumPresident is NOW trying to convince Congress to adapt Socialized healthcare after he ran on a platform of REPEALING such a plan, is foolish, ignorant, or a George Sore-ass-paid interneTROLL.
President Trump is the one who was quoted saying, “We’re going to have insurance for everybody. There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”
How else should someone interpret that?
Since the PPACA is not socialized medicine/universal health care, repealing it may lead to universal health care.
I don’t interpret it as I see fit, as you just did.
I see the words he spoke and see NOTHING that says ‘social insurance’ in them.
TrumPresident has said there won’t be mandates. So, how can a socialist insurance program be established? Also, he said those who cannot afford insurance will be subsidized, as is currently done with Medicaid.
I won’t reveal anything else at this point. Figure out what he means without basing it on your pre-determined agenda.
“On the first day of presidency, on my very first day I plan to repeal Obamacare so hard that it’ll make his ancestors in Africa shiver with awe. I mean, I am going to take that piece of legislation and wipe my a** with it. That’s how much I dislike Obamacare and what I think about it. By the way, that’s also how I feel about Ted Cruz, but that’s not the point right now,” Trump said jokingly, causing Stephanopoulos to laugh.
“Seriously though,” the billionaire businessman continued, “that’s what I plan on doing. And then first thing in the morning on day two, I’m going to replace it with a much better service that’s genuinely going to take care of every poor person in the United States. I’m talking daily food rations, clean clothes, a place to spend the night, possibly new jobs, it’s all going to be awesome, it’s going to be utopia. I’m going to make it so good that people are going to want to become homeless just to qualify for Trumpcare. And by the way, that’s what I’m going to call it. A huge, flashy neon sign is going to be placed above the entrance to every Trumpcare facility across the country. I want people to know who made it possible for them to have a better life.”
Sounds pretty socialist to me.
So, if President Obama had said those exact words, you would not have been screaming Socialism?
Please do not answer, it was rhetorical.
ACA is Socialism…. no need for anyone who understands the term to make any other comments on it, as you suggested.
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“On the first day of presidency, on my very first day I plan to repeal Obamacare so hard that it’ll make his ancestors in Africa shiver with awe. I mean, I am going to take that piece of legislation and wipe my a** with it. That’s how much I dislike Obamacare and what I think about it. By the way, that’s also how I feel about Ted Cruz, but that’s not the point right now,” Trump said jokingly, causing Stephanopoulos to laugh.
“Seriously though,” the billionaire businessman continued, “that’s what I plan on doing. And then first thing in the morning on day two, I’m going to replace it with a much better service that’s genuinely going to take care of every poor person in the United States. I’m talking daily food rations, clean clothes, a place to spend the night, possibly new jobs, it’s all going to be awesome, it’s going to be utopia. I’m going to make it so good that people are going to want to become homeless just to qualify for Trumpcare. And by the way, that’s what I’m going to call it. A huge, flashy neon sign is going to be placed above the entrance to every Trumpcare facility across the country. I want people to know who made it possible for them to have a better life.”
Sounds pretty socialist to me.
@Planetarium:
TWO exact posts in the same sub-thread will get you a report for spamming.
Comrade Yogi,
They aren’t exact, IJ doesn’t let you post the EXACT same thing. They never have. And, you re-post all the time because of the so-called “bots”.
Only veteran spammers know how to avoid being censored for identical posts.
Hiya TrumpPolarSwamp, is now a good time to bring out all those plans the GOP said they had — along with your insider plans??? Just wondering.
I’ll never reveal my insider info to a Libitteral. It’s a ‘Nancy Pelosi Galore’ thing.
TrumpPolarSwamp, you don’t have any insider info. I know that, you know that, everyone knows that.
Care to bet? I gave everyone a clue, several times. When the plans are publicized so that the sources of the final method is revealed, the details will be easy to match up with my clue.
Meanwhile, Libitteral; get a clue, yourself. Your side lost the election. And, elections have consequences; e.g. you DON’T get to see ANYTHING in progress behind closed doors.
Nancy Pelosi said yesterday that she can’t work with President Bush (sic). That’s a typical comment from someone who was deeply involved in passing the ACA bill.
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Maybe it will take a while longer to work out the PROPER SOLUTION to health insurance costs that directly impact AFFORDABILITY?
Yeah; that’s it. Anyone who suggest that TrumPresident is NOW trying to convince Congress to adapt Socialized healthcare after he ran on a platform of REPEALING such a plan, is foolish, ignorant, or a George Sore-ass-paid interneTROLL.
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Polar,
There is nothing left for you to say. Lies were told. “Plans” didn’t work out. Our Government is ran by a known white supremacist(Bannon) and Trump will be impeached eventually. Admit this isn’t going as expected. Have you read anything about what is truly going on? Let me guess it is all (and don’t forget the caps) FAKE NEWS? You were lied to. I was lied to. I voted Trump and remarkably it has only taken a couple weeks to realize it is one of the biggest mistakes I’ve ever made. I AM SORRY TO EVERYONE HERE WHO POINTED OUT THE DANGERS OF THIS MAN. He is mentally unfit to hold office and his irrational, unplanned decision making demonstrates this. MORE THAN EVER WE MUST REALIZE THOSE WHO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT TRUMP ARE ALSO MENTALLY UNFIT TO HOLD CONVERSATIONS AND MUST BE FORGIVEN FOR THEIR LACK OF SELF. They only believe what Trump says and folks that is going to lead us one step closer to the fascist government President Bannon is trying to implement. OPEN YOUR EYES.
Conserving the Truth,
Thank you for displaying that Conservatives can be open-minded, objective, and reasonable.
I believe we both know the irrational backlash you are about to receive from the fake Conservatives who post here.
America will never achieve its full potential with the closed-minded, divisive rhetoric we see on this site and beyond.
Impersonating someone else is easy on the internet.
i.e. Conserving the Truth is not a conservative.
A Conservative is a person who need not state he/ she is conservative. Otherwise, it is a Libitteral trying to discredit Conservatives by posing as one and lying or mis-representing conservative values.
BTW: TrumPresident isn’t a Conservative, but at times he acts like one.
You are sick and I will continue to pray for you.
You are a fraud and I will continue to ignore you.
Comrade Yogi,
Don’t you mean start ignoring? Because you clearly just did the opposite of ignoring.
I’ll selectively ignore libitterals; some of their remarks are just too good to pass up commenting on, for yucks for all.
They have no reason to impeach Trump before the midterms, just like they have no intention of repealing and replacing this before the midterms. Trump is popular among know-nothing Republicans, which make up the majority at this point. Over 50% don’t know the ACA and Obamacare are different, and the majority who support the travel ban believe the non-existent “Bowling Green Massacre justifies it.
Trump is popular with these representatives, and they cannot go against him until he isn’t. His supporters largely live in an alternate reality, and will not go against him until it is too late and pointless to even remove him. Additionally these representatives are getting what they want and Trump is being blamed for much of it. Most of the Republican Party is based on racism and “fake news” at this point.
TrumPolar, Nancy Pelosi Galore should resign if she can’t keep her President’s straight. She also said she would pole vault over the fence to get it passed and last, but not least said she had to pass it to see what was in it. I think the Botox has taken its toll.
By that logic, the U.S. Counselor to the President should resign because she can’t keep her massacres (and non-massacres) straight.
Still trolling me, right? Any comment, any story, any day of the week. You are the purveyor of Fake News and it is sad.
Apparently there are only 2 kinds on news now, Positive News for President Trump and Fake News. And you referred to President Obama as a dictator. This is what a dictatorship actually looks like.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/07/politics/kfile-gorka-on-fake-news/index.html
1) It’s not trolling if it’s true. And on that note….
2) How is this fake news? She said there was a massacre at a specific location, and there was no massacre.
Agent doesn’t understand what “fake news” is. He is one of the over 50% of Trump supporters who think the Bowling Green Massacre is justification for the travel ban. He makes an asinine statement, it is replied to with a fact, and he calls that trolling. It speaks for itself for any rational, reality based intelligent person.
@Agent; Pelosi must have fallen after her pole vault, landing on her head.
And Kellyanne Conway’s “excuse” for making up a massacre that never happened is….what now?
Listen to her explanation. She made an ‘apology’ for mis-speaking, unlike Pelosi, HRC, and Waters.
Further, Kellyanne Conway never enacted a law that HARMED hundreds of millions of Americans. She never HID FACTS from US citizens until the underlying impacts were ‘unleashed’ upon US citizens, too late to reverse course. Pelosi Galore is the modern day equivalent of Franklin D Roosevelt circa Dec. 7, 1941.
Your behavior comparing giving people health care and the Pearl Harbor bombing is reprehensible.
TrumPolar, the US Senate is supposed to be the greatest deliberative body in the world and yet we have a Chucky Shmucky Schumer and Lizzy Borden Lieawatha Warren in it. Wow, did NY and Massachusetts get those choices wrong.
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Yeah; that’s it. Anyone who suggest that TrumPresident is NOW trying to convince Congress to adapt Socialized healthcare after he ran on a platform of REPEALING such a plan, is foolish, ignorant, or a George Sore-ass-paid interneTROLL.
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TrumPolar, if you were a resident of the great State of Massachusetts and your choice for Senator was Lieawatha Warren or Curt Schilling, the Conservative retired World Series hero, who would you vote for? Looks like Lieawatha is falling on hard times and she was ranting in the Senate the other day bashing Sessions and they had enough of her and told her to sit down and shut up.
I’m waiting for Lie-a-watha’s re-election campaign, and hope to see a few political bean-ball pitches by Curt. Lizzie is almost certain to strike out if TrumPresident gets involved by rallying support for Schilling.
The Liberal MainstreamMedia will likely report it as ‘Angry, violent Paleface vs. innocent Native American squaw’.
If she invites the former POTU up there to campaign for her, that will guarantee a landslide to Schilling.
The plan is not finalized because a team of underwriters, attorneys, accountants/ CPAs, and actuarials are working on the details for each of tehir areas of expertise.
Libitterals on the internet can only criticize that a PLAN has not been publicized YET by REPUBLICANS. They continue to PARROT libitteral talking points about “8 years to produce a plan”, completely ignoring the Price Plan publicized over 18 months ago, and recent plans publicized by Rand Paul and Paul Ryan.
I’ll watch closely how Libitterals respond when they read the details intended to ADDRESS PROBLEMS that ACA ignored or failed miserably to tackle and solve. Instead, ACA just TAXED people to re-distribute wealth instead of reducing the costs associated with maintaining good health. In other words, Liberal Dems were more interested in GAINING POLITICAL POWER THROUGH INCREASED SOCIALIZATION OF US ECONOMIC SYSTEMS than helping The People they lied to for their votes.
Keep defending a bunch of lazy liars.
You’re quite the good soldier Kellyanne, I mean Yogi Polar Berra, or DePolarBearable, or TrumPolarBear.
Funny how Agent rips on others changing their monikers, but applauds this clown.
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Funny how the forum clown voted for the former President twice. What a liberal clown! By the way, saying that you disagreed with “some” of his policies is not a valid criticism.
Agent,
Your insults have been reported. I’m pretty sure you aren’t to personally attack another poster out here calling them a clown. Why do you continue to think it’s okay for you to do it?
Maybe IJ staff will review posts that start name calling? If so, good.
Ron, reported to IJ staff for insults.
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Why are you against the Constitution? Maybe you have consumed too much vodka and are now supporting authoritarianism.
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Ron, a Progressive thinks the Constitution is a living document to be interpreted however they want. Your hero complained about it’s restrictions and only enforced laws he wanted to. Trump and Sessions will restore abiding by it and all other laws including immigration laws.
Agent,
If the Constitution is not a living document, then why are there provisions to allow amendments?
I do not recall my late father ever complaining about the restrictions of the Constitution.
So, President Trump’s way of restoring the Constitution is to subvert it by issuing even more EOs than President Obama?
Nas Zdrowie!
Absent from your list are people that deal with this constantly. People that are licensed, Insured, Bonded local professionals that know more about the local markets and individuals needs more then the list above.
Maybe someone that takes Ethics Training, that sits on Main St USA sitting across the desk face to face advising Joe average American as to what their options are.
People that sit in cubicles just dont know all there is to know.
Apparently, locals only know ‘local things’, but haven’t figured out how to reduce costs and encourage low cost risks to insure, and not use a mandate to attempt (but fail) to avoid adverse selection.
And we know nothing about the people that wander our towns. Apparently our ability to pull people off the unemployment line one at a time per agency dont matter either.
FFA, off topic, but what did you think of the game? I was a bit shocked that the Falcons came out, got some turnovers and built a big lead on the Patriots.
The problem was that Atlanta’s defense was out on the field too long. By the fourth quarter, their tongues were hanging out and Brady could do whatever he wanted. He ended up with 466 yards passing while Ryan was standing on the sideline wishing he could get back in the game. I know everyone hates Brady and the Patriots, but a team has to play 60 minutes against them to beat them. 35 minutes will not cut it.
Most teams with a 28-3 deficit would have packed it in and hoped to get back the next year. Best comeback I have ever seen.
Ron fears the PROPER Solution that will emerge from the current discussions among Republicans working on combining ideas submitted by insurance professionals and politicians.
FYI: the delay in announcing a plan is due to SEVERAL LATE ENTRIES that had to be read and considered because they included new ideas.
Better late than hasty and poorly designed, like ACA.
I fear nothing.
With that said, why would I fear a solution that brings improved results?
Unlike you, I just want the country to improve, regardless of who is responsible for said improvements.
If you want the Country to improve, then support REASONABLE solutions to problems caused by ACA, and the ongoing problems in the Healthcare industry, as well as med mal tort laws.
Examples:
1. Licensing across state lines was NOT addressed by Dems seeking to TAKE OVER the Healthcare and Health Insurance industries rather than FIX THOSE UNDERLYING PROBLEMS.
2. Med Mal tort law reform WAS NOT ADDRESSED by Dems who were only motivated by SOCIALIST principles, to TAKE CONTROL of the Healthcare and Insurance industries.
There are other issues the Dems NEVER sought to fix, but which are being meticulously analyzed RIGHT NOW by GOP members and several people in the insurance industry, as well as academics and business people in other industries.
To PROVE your good intentions to FIX things, please offer your suggestions as to how to fix things, or which things suggested will work or not, rather than criticize EVERYTHING done by one side of the political aisle. Ready, … steady, … GO!
1. I do support this. However, I ma the only one to understand that this REQUIRES either federal regulation of health insurance (interstate commerce) or forcing states to allow health insurance policies to be written in their state even if it does not meet their regulatory guidelines.
2. I support this. However, I have not seen a study that shows it will reduce health insurance premiums by more than 2%.
These are good idea, but do not address the real issues of reducing health care costs, affordability and/or access to quality health insurance for ALL American citizens. That is where the Republicans have fallen short.
I have presented my solution several times. IMO, we should have a Universal Health Care system where everyone is covered under the same plan ande the government ONLY collects premiums in the form of taxes, then remits the premiums to PRIVATE health insurance companies. This would provide the ultimate buying power with medical suppliers and would eliminate nearly all of the issues people complain about regarding health care.
As a bonus, my solution would eliminate Medicaid, Medicare and VA Health Care. In other words, no more government involvement in health care administration.
And you can throw in tort reform too.
Anything else?
@Ron; you are narrow minded. OLD Studies aren’t valid for assessing the proposals NOW being considered. If you were a friend of The Wright Bros., or Henry Ford, we might still be traveling on mules and horses.
1. 50 statutes may use conforming policy allowances for that end.
2. Unique approaches are being considered. The 2% figure you quote is absolutely absurd. No one would bother with those types of reform as it is a waste of effort. Lawyers were involved in quelling past efforts… but won’t be allowed to do so in regard to this critical issue.
Stay tuned, and be ready to say you were wrong and you underestimated the new proposals ability to fix problems rather than tax people to pay for politicians failures.
TrumPolarBear,
My position is and always has been that neither the Republicans nor Candidate Trump ever had a single plan. They have proven me to be right. If I were wrong, we would have seen said plans by now. Or, at the very least, not hear them talk about how they have to reconcile up to 9 plans and we have to wait until 2018. All we here from them, and you, are high level ideas.
Ron, you fear anything that is not Single Payer as you have advocated for since 2010.
Agent,
I do not fear alternate, failed solutions, I just point out the superiority of a single payer system, run by private companies.
Further, the ‘Republican Replacement Plan’ is NOT a single plan. It involves statutory changes in EACH of the 50 states and other US jurisdictions, for tort reform as regards med mal awards, AND licensing of HI cos. across state lines for increased competition and cost efficiency.
Libitterals who claims that Republicans failed to offer alternative plans over the LAST 8* YEARS, and does so after being informed SEVERAL TIMES that Obama would VETO such plans, are being disingenuous or hypocritical. No further responses to such GEORGE SORE-ASS-PAID INTERNETROLLS are warranted.
There is no plan.
Keep repeating that to yourself, along with “it’s only a bad dream; Trump isn’t POTUS. Hillary is.” Do that for four years, or maybe 8 years, and you’ll be ok.
The plan that is being compiled behind the scenes will be brought forth by the new DHHS Sec, Tom Price:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/10/senate-confirms-price-as-hhs-secretary-in-party-line-vote.html
HEALTH CARE SPECIFICCS
HEA = Health Expense Accounts. This is NOT the same as HSA’s. There are subtle, important distinctions that will be published soon.
More details later, as they are published.
I will not take serious any proposal put forth by either side that doubles down on the dated and failing employer-based health insurance system. We need to get health care consumers more involved in their own care. It is preposterous to continue cost shifting to consumers without giving them additional tools to take on an increasing role in their own health care decisions. I think having the extra party (employer) involved in the transaction is counterproductive to this goal. Also, close the self-funded coverage loopholes which allow large employers to offer substandard coverage that do not comply with state coverage mandates.
Your point is part of the plans being melded together.
er, pointS.
I can hope, but most prior Republican proposals seem to move in the opposite directions and focus on ridiculous solutions to non-issues (large loss capping, state lines, etc) rather than serious attempts to put the consumer front and center. My consumer-oriented approach would be heavily focused on cost transparency measures (I don’t mean insurance costs). It is disingenuous to claim to be a free-market proponent when the actual consumer of health care is not even aware of the actual costs being incurred and doesn’t know how much something costs until they get a bill for it several weeks later.
The GOP ‘plan’ isn’t one plan. ‘IT’ addresses MANY things, including statutes, claim costs, expenses, regulations, policy language …. and other stuff.
Nine people, thus far, are unhappy that the GOP is going to repeal ACA and ACTUALLY FIX the underlying problems with healthcare and health insurance.
Those 9 and others will be nowhere to be found when the ACA repeal and replace occurs and succeeds.
When I see a proposal that addresses the underlying drivers of healthcare cost AND provides a 100% solution to the payer issue, I’ll be on board no matter who proposes it. Since politicians, and especially conservatives, tend to focus on tiny issues and pretend the big ones don’t exist, I won’t hold my breath.
I see most of the 9 down votes have been removed by new software used by IJ. Progress!
@youngin’
The underlying costs are being addressed by statutes, rather than a federal bill; e.g. med mal tort reforms to lower costs that will eventually be passed onto patients of healthcare providers. Tort limits on med mal pain & suffering/ punitive damages are being considered on a state by state basis. More details later.
Interesting. What is the estimated cost savings of these reforms?
About 10 minutes of research provided the following. Total US Healthcare expenditures for 2015 was about $3.2T. Total Medical Malpractice payments in 2014 was about $3.6B. Assuming “tort reform” can somehow reduce these payments by 50% (very aggressive assumption), the total reduction on US healthcare spending on a percentage basis is .0006 or 0.06%, a little over 1/20 of 1%.
The estimated annual increase in healthcare spending is around 5.8%. Using my assumptions, tort reform can provide a one-time reduction in the annual expenditure growth from 5.8% to 5.74%. That’s barely a rounding error.
Here, let me instead write these numbers out so you can see the number of zeroes:
Total Spend: 3,200,000,000,000
Potential Savings: 1,800,000,000
Savings Ratio: .0006
So, if tort reform is part of the solution, fine. But the impact will be small. This should not be the solution you guys should lead with. Tort reform should be on page 2.
This is why I don’t take conservatives seriously.
BTW, the numbers I used can be found here:
https://www.cms.gov/research-statistics-data-and-systems/statistics-trends-and-reports/nationalhealthexpenddata/nhe-fact-sheet.html
http://truecostofhealthcare.net/malpractice_statistics/
Tort reform isn’t the only problem.
But consider the SUPPLY effect of med mal insurance on the number of HC providers. Bed pan mutuals can only support so many doctors and hospitals. At some point, the education system needs to be revised to increase the supply of medical treatment service providers.
Is it beginning to sink in on critics like you that this isn’t a problem that can be fixed with a bandage???
You’ll just have to wait to see the FULL LIST of fixes, some of which are late entries to the pool of suggestions being sifted through and tested by ‘experts’ from various professions.
Psst; I almost forgot; you wouldn’t cut it as an actuary or CPA trying to properly quantify the effects of med mal on healthcare providers. Many punitive damages are NOT insured / covered by traditional insurance covers. THOSE are very significant and are passed back to patients via charge loads on just about every service or medical good dispensed.
I have asked for an estimate a couple of times and you’ve declined to quantify the potential impact. I would say YOU wouldn’t cut it as an actuary or CPA either.
Let me add that an employer’s involvement in an individual’s health care initiatives is as harmful as a federal government getting involved in the same matters. Evidence of this is… ACA… and Medicare… and Medicaid… and the VA Healthcare System.
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Further, the ‘Republican Replacement Plan’ is NOT a single plan. It involves statutory changes in EACH of the 50 states and other US jurisdictions, for tort reform as regards med mal awards, AND licensing of HI cos. across state lines for increased competition and cost efficiency.
Libitterals who claims that Republicans failed to offer alternative plans over the LAST 8* YEARS, and does so after being informed SEVERAL TIMES that Obama would VETO such plans, are being disingenuous or hypocritical. No further responses to such GEORGE SORE-ASS-PAID INTERNETROLLS are warranted.
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Yet they voted 60 times to repeal the ACA, knowing full well that such votes would be vetoed. Therefore, your argument is invalid, and you are a whacko.
Woosh! Right over your head!
Votes were intended to put DEMS on the record as regards their continued support of ACA – – – for use in campaign ads against their re-election.
Woosh!
Offering their “replacement plan” would have had the same effect. In fact, if they actually had a good replacement plan, that would be even more impactful in campaign ads against Democrats. Woosh! Right over your head!
There is a VERY GOOD PLAN being composed from several options provided to Congress. But YOU can’t see any of them now!
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TrumPolarBear, looks like the multiple votes provided by Ron gave you a number of thumbs down. Just another way liberals skew polls. Ron must have a wonderful life to feel the need to multiple vote. Is he one of those 26 year olds who still lives in his mom’s basement as he can’t get out in the real world to fend for himself.
Anyway, I’m all for this taking time to get done right as opposed to the way the Democrats rushed it through on a totally partisan basis with absolutely no Republican support. Hopefully the Republicans come through with a well thought out solution and reach across the aisle for the few sane Democrats to try to get something done on a bipartisan basis.
Dave,
1. For the record, I do not vote up or down, ever.
2. I am not a Liberal.
3. Add 20 years.
4. Both of my parents are deceased, I have been leaving on my own for ~20 years and now own my house.
5. The criticism is not how long it is taking, it is holding elected officials accountable for their lies. We have been told by the Republicans and President Trump that they have plans. If that were truer, they should be able to produce said plans.
Correction: …living on my own…
Plans are the business of Republicans to decide upon. Libitterals are not going to have ANY access to them, kind of like Nancy Pelosi Galore and Harry Reid shut out Republicans from their (Dems) meetings on ACA. Elections have consequences.
But, Libitterals can cling to the ‘they had plans they said they’d publish on Day One’ rant. It is their only means of criticizing Republicans on a series of coordinated actions to fix the problems left by incompetent Dems.
Hypocrite!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, Ron, because Obama NEVER lied to the American people! NEVER EVER!!
Yes, Obama lied (how’s that “shut-down” Guantanamo Bay doing?), but that doesn’t mean it should be acceptable when other political folks, especially the President, lies.
Ron has called out Obama for his lies and he calls out Trump when Trump lies. Ron has held BOTH men accountable for lying (and Hillary too) – it seems you’re giving a free-pass on Trump’s lies because the guy before him did it too.
If the CEO of a company took all the 401K contributions for their personal use, should the next CEO be able to do it too just because “the other guy did it also”?
I say no. What do you say?
Patticake,
Yes he did, and I have criticized him when he has.
Do you think that gives President Trump, his administration and the Republicans a green light to just lie whenever they want?
@Ron; no one but Libitterals care that the GOP hasn’t YET repealed and replaced, or even announced, their ACA repeal and replace details.
Those who voted for change from Socialism to Capitalism are confident in the end result and realize bad things take time to fix, and good things take time to build.
Patticake, the Obama Administration bragged that they were scandal free for 8 years. I had a good laugh at that. The Pinocchio nose stretched from DC to LA.
Notice that IJ has discovered how to ELIMINATE multiple votes.
It was a simple fix to use IP addresses through proxy servers as a means of detecting multi-posting of down votes or up votes.
I’m surprised it took them so long to achieve that programming fix.
Libitterals won’t be able to censor Conservatives on IJ any more, and must debate here on the merits of their positions rather than apply the free software BOTs they’ve relied upon in the past.
Did anyone on this forum get an “Inquiry Error” like I did when I tried to comment today? Apparently, it had to get fixed and it is now. Never saw that before.
“Libitterals won’t be able to censor Conservatives on IJ any more”
Good. This means you won’t post the same cr@p 5 times and we will never have to hear your “paid sore@ss bot” line anymore!
Confused, following is a good one for you to ponder.
Maybe the reason grown adults are acting like children about President Trump is because he has stepped up and has acted like the “strict parent” to a group of spoiled, ignorant and entitled “teenagers” in a Government that has been in need of a true Father figure for a long time.
Hi AgenTroll! Thanks for the insult. It was nice to read your off-topic message with the deliberate intent of provoking me into an emotional response.
Father figure, ha! Yeah, the dysfunctional dad who wants to jump his daughter’s bones, walks around in his bath robe at night, playing with light switches, watching too much fake news TV, obsessed with why he is one of the most disliked Presidents of all time, and it’s only been a couple weeks! I wonder if he already has the room picked out where he knows the light switches and will be watching SNL this Saturday. Oh, and drapes, let’s not forget the drapes. He’s spent more time on drapery catalogs than he has on his briefings. This poor excuse of a man is nothing more than an orange clown. Sad. So sad.
@Planetarium; voters don’t care about the speculation you continue to list, as if it will rally libitterals for the upcoming mid-term elections and the 2020 POTUS election.
By the time TrumPresident gets through reversing Obama’s damaging EOs and the GOP controlled Congress enacts a repeal & replacement for ACA, lowers income tax rates and creating economic/ political/ fiscal CONDITIONS that will lead to millions of new jobs and return to the US of trillions of capital from foreign lands … there will be very few Dem US senators to oppose any initiatives put forth by the GOP or TrumPresident….
That is what Libitterals fear the most, and are trying desperately to block. But words on the internet and ineffective censoring of Conservatives will not achieve their objectives.
Dave; IJ staff and IT support are now fixing the board to exclude, albeit on a delayed basis, multiple votes from cloaking websites or the same IP addresses.
Votes, up or down, going forward must be based on substantiated sources that are not using BOTs or other devices to repeat votes.
Dave, welcome back to the forum since all the down votes you got were erased by the monitor.
That isn’t a poll, and liberals cannot skew polls, it doesn’t even make sense.
The Democrats did not rush the ACA, it was formed and debated in committee, including Republican amendments; the entire plan is based on a Republican plan. Even though Republicans got their amendment included they still all voted against it.
Anybody can say they are for or against the plan, but if you say it was created in secret, or rushed you are simply factually wrong, and ignorant on the topic, or lying.
I didn’t like obamacare for many reasons, the main one being I had to switch nurses, but was able to keep my doctor.
[Heath Ledger Joker voice]Not sure if serious.[/Heath Ledger Joker voice]
Most didn’t get to keep either.
TrumpPolarSwamp, you and Trump have another thing in common – you focus more on ratings than substance.
Celtica; you focus on censoring opposing views rather than debate them.
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Maybe it will take a while longer to work out the PROPER SOLUTION to health insurance costs that directly impact AFFORDABILITY?
Yeah; that’s it. Anyone who suggest that TrumPresident is NOW trying to convince Congress to adapt Socialized healthcare after he ran on a platform of REPEALING such a plan, is foolish, ignorant, or a George Sore-ass-paid interneTROLL.
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TrumPolar, how about a good one to drive the bots crazy? I may set a record on dislikes.
Liberal Logic 101
Picture a young college couple walking along. The guy says: I’ll run over and pick up both our welfare checks, then drop by the University to see what is holding up our Federal Education Grants. You go by the Free Clinic for a pregnancy test. If it is positive, fill out the paperwork for government assistance, baby bonus and WIC. Oh, recharge our food stamp cards and pick up my free glasses. Let’s meet up at noon at the State House for the mass picketing against the greedy Republicans who want us to go get jobs!
You forgot to mention that the couple are both ILLEGAL ALIENS.
TrumPolar, the picture was more like the Occupy Wall Street bunch or the paid Soros protestors that are bussed in at the drop of a hat.
Oh! OK, then, when do they get their new Obama phone?
RE-POSTED, because the truth hurts Libitterals almost as much as losing political power – e.g. 11/8/16 and 6/23/16.
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The plan is not finalized because a team of underwriters, attorneys, accountants/ CPAs, and actuarials are working on the details for each of tehir areas of expertise.
Libitterals on the internet can only criticize that a PLAN has not been publicized YET by REPUBLICANS. They continue to PARROT libitteral talking points about “8 years to produce a plan”, completely ignoring the Price Plan publicized over 18 months ago, and recent plans publicized by Rand Paul and Paul Ryan.
I’ll watch closely how Libitterals respond when they read the details intended to ADDRESS PROBLEMS that ACA ignored or failed miserably to tackle and solve. Instead, ACA just TAXED people to re-distribute wealth instead of reducing the costs associated with maintaining good health. In other words, Liberal Dems were more interested in GAINING POLITICAL POWER THROUGH INCREASED SOCIALIZATION OF US ECONOMIC SYSTEMS than helping The People they lied to for their votes.
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TrumPolar, you are magnificent handling these trolls that seek to silence you. Keep up the good work. We know you speak the truth and they speak the lie’s. There is a new Sheriff in town and Elections have Consequences.
Is anyone else tired of the focus for our health care issues being on the insurance plans to pay for it? Can someone please focus on the underlying costs of healthcare?? Insurance is a pass-through mechanism. The cost of insurance is high because the underlying costs are crazy. My father recently had knee replacement surgery in a new hospital. The place was a palace! Very opulent and not necessary for his treatment. And the facility is paid for by the patients through their insurance plans. My son had an appendectomy with a 23 hour stay in the hospital and the bill was over $50,000! Seriously?
The replacement is taking time because actuaries and underwriters are analyzing underlying costs, including med mal premium pass-backs, expenses associated with multi-state licensing inefficiencies, and innovative use of high risk pools.
The wait will be worth it. Dems will be exposed as lazy and intereted in political power rather than improved affordability through competitive pressures and cost analyses.
TrumPolar, President Trump has already met with Big Pharma about the high cost of drugs. Let’s hope that the FDA is being reviewed about their program under Obama which never touched on high drug prices. Lobbyists influence has kept the prices up for many years. Too much bureaucratic red tape is never good for the citizens.
Yes. I made several comments to this effect. I think cost transparency should be a first priority. This is an area where the government actually can and should have a leadership role. Keep in mind that this is only part of the solution. The majority of health costs come from a small minority of procedures where cost transparency isn’t going to have a big impact because insurance bears the brunt of the cost. And the payer issue is still important. But, patients should be given the actual cost up front before the procedure is agreed to. This is standard practice in almost every other transaction. But, with healthcare, the provider can’t/won’t provide this information upon request. It’s asinine! We should demand better!
What the government can and should do is make healthcare providers disclose these costs in a standardized way. This is already done with almost every major purchase a consumer can make (lending disclosures, etc). Common sense, yet not common in conservative (or liberal) reform proposals (at least the way they are reported – I admit I don’t read the text of every proposal). Ridiculous!
Health Care Networks were used extensively in the past. A hospital or Doctor would have to live with what was negotiated with the carrier on procedures/treatment. They could bill all day a $50,000 treatment and would get paid a fraction of that.
If medical costs were still fully insured I’m sure this model would be fine. I don’t know what a typical family deductible or other cost-sharing arrangement would have looked like 30 or 40 years ago. All I know is that, as it stands, deductibles are reaching eye-popping numbers that verge on not being affordable for many families.
What this means is that insurers are negotiating with healthcare providers and then asking the consumers to pay a large portion of these negotiated costs without the consumer having any transparency or say in this process. Because of this process, it is not straightforward for a consumer to compare providers on a cost basis. If consumers are going to be asked to shoulder these costs, then they should have the right to get a transparent set of price disclosures in advance of scheduling a procedure. We always demand this in almost every other type of transaction, and in some larger and more complicated transactions the government mandates a set of disclosures that are intended to help the consumer compare options (such as lending disclosures).
How Republicans are not pushing for consumer right reform in healthcare when they claim to be free market conservatives simply boggles my mind. Oops I forgot, regulation bad, Invisible Hand knows all. Worship the Hand.
youngin’,
In some cases, those like comrades Agent and Yogi are worshipping very small hands.
and Planet ignores Hands…. as seen here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxPBDWjp1qM
LOL @ Lizzy ‘Lie-a-watha’ Warren, being censored yesterday, by long standing US Senate rules, and thus being shut down in her attempt to discredit/ insult Jeff Sessions and filibuster his nomination.
Well, she didn’t get her way and Sessions is our new DOJ. Now, we can have some real prosecutions instead of sweeping things under the rug. I expect some of those liberal lemmings under Holder and Lynch will be shown the door.
Trumpolar, was Spiccoli the prototype of the protester, OWS, Soros funded types. Dumb as a box of rocks, irresponsible, no values, no sense of right and wrong?
The same Spicoli who rescued Brooke Shields and hired Van Halen to play at his birthday party?
THIS article is now outdated by THIS article:
http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2017/02/07/441253.htm
I’ll meet you guys / gals on the comment board for the above linked story. See you soon, and hope to have a polite discussion of the facts and reasonable points for speculation.
It is becoming increasing clear that TrumpPolarBear is as compulsively consumed by ratings as the Comrade in Chief is. Makes one wonder if they are one and the same, just with multiple personalities
Translation: Libitterals are frustrated that they cannot rely on Millenial Operated BOTs to censor Conservatives.
TrumPolar, they will try different tactics like changing their moniker and pretending to be someone else as has UW & Actu. The good news is that they won’t be able to down vote or upvote ad nauseum and Conservatives will have a shot at being heard.
Hey Liberals, wake up, the agenda is toast.
Apparently, IJ IT staff has activated the BOT-buster software.
Hooray! Growwwwwllll! Roar!
Republicans for the most part do not even know what is in the bill, they just know they have been instructed to hate it, and blame everything on it.
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/8/14536074/obamacare-aca-polling-republicans