Republicans only know how to “lead” from behind. When given actual power, they continually fumble. Sometimes the ball gets jostled around, kicked, and jostled until it haphazardly falls over the goal line, but typically, it is scooped up by the other party, which then is forced to slowly drag the ball back the other way while Republicans hang on, saying all along the way, “We have a plan, trust us, America!”
People trusted you, for some reason. What they got or will get from the GOP is:
-A reduction in the quality of their healthcare
-Less oversight to deal with environmental pollution
-Austerity which results in increased societal danger, reduction in public services, and a reduction in quality of life.
-Latching onto the past (unprofitable coal, while shunning green energy to be on par with the global economic climate, being just one thing)
These aren’t scare tactics, it isn’t fearmongering, and it certainly isn’t a lie. These are stated goals and demonstrable effects of the Republican way to “lead.” Apparently making America great again involves cutting its nose off to spite its face.
Doug Fisher, I could not have said it better. I have always believed in hard work and personal responsibility and accountability. But the Republican idea of healthcare is mean spirited, every man/woman/child for himself and may God have mercy on you(that is the only mercy you will receive).
Who messed the bed for Republicans to clean up? Who said IF you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor? Who said IF you like your plan, you can keep your plan? Who said there will be $2500 of premium savings per year? Who said we have to pass it to see what’s in it? Who has been saying where is the Republicans plan after 6 (some use 7) years of saying they said they had a plan? Who controlled the WH Veto Vote for 8 years, 6 of which were years in which ACA was ‘law’?
Yea. Its the republicans fault health care is so screwed up. They are the ones that put the middle layer of worthless govt employees in the mix. They are the ones that put together that piece of crap wen site. They are the ones that think 6 months on an expedited basis for an appeal is good.
Yea, Its the Republicans fault its such a mess, its so expensive and the customer (dis)service is so horrible.
Sounds like your from Chicago. Blame everyone that had nothing to do with it.
Says the person who loved Obama, the person who “led from behind”.
Once again, Celtica, you are “fact challenged”! Have you checked lately how many of Trumps’ nominees have been approved by the Dem’s, compared to the same time period that Obama was in office.
And now for my opinion – quit giving a rats rear what its called and fix it.
Everyone knows it Obama that screwed it up.
Everyone will know who fixed it.
FFA, good to see you back commenting. I hear that Illinois is about belly up from the reports I have been seeing. This is also due to Progressive Leftist Democratic rule for many, many years.
Il is a mess. See the record Chicago set over 4th week end?
Its been a bit insane for me lately. My dad got really sick for about 6 weeks. He passed on. Funeral was just a week ago. Now, we focus on getting mom out of IL and close to me. No matter how much you think your prepared your not.
Sorry to hear that FFA. I hope you can get your mother close to you to take care of her. By the way, saw Tucker Carlson interviewing one of the young brainwashed women from the religion of peace and she is fearful of the white supremacists shooting people in Chicago. She gave the black gangs a complete pass who have been doing the shootings. What a cesspool of violence they have going on up there. What a warped view of the world some people have. By the way, as hard as Tucker tried, he couldn’t get an intelligent reply out of her and she had memorized her stock answer for everything.
It’s too bad Obama and the Democrats didn’t take the time worry about whether Obamacare would fail or not before passing it. If they did (and used obvious logic and didn’t lie) the Republicans wouldn’t have to be cleaning up the MESS they made!!
It’s terribly difficult to walk back the entitlements doled out by Obamacare.
Fess up, Libs, and try to admit that Obamacare is a BUST!
No one on the Progressive side has a plan (i.e. clue) as to how to ‘fix’ ACA. Perhaps the reason is that they are clueless? If not that, then they must think others must fix things they broke. Regardless, by repeatedly calling for Republicans to fix the mess caused by ACA THEY crafted and approved, they are obfuscating the fact THEY (Progressives) are 100% responsible for the mess created by ACA. Finally, Socialists haven’t yet figured out why they’ve lost THOUSANDS of legislative seats across the USA over the years since ACA was passed (after we could found out what’s in it).
A) Not one progressive is calling on any Republican to “fix” the ACA. Name one. Please, by all means.
B) Progressives caused absolutely zero of these messes. If states led by Republican governors and legislatures didn’t decline increased federal Medicaid funding, rates wouldn’t skyrocket. You can look at the states who accepted the funding and continued to support the law who also experienced lower premium increases than the nationwide open-market. States got in the way to block the law, and then raved when it failed in their state. Go figure that Republicans cut off their nose to spite their face.
C) Raising taxes and making things more fair is never a popular position to support. It takes the strong and intelligent to see the benefits for society and their fellow man in having a reduction in their take-home pay via increased taxes. Taxes are too low today. They are literally untenable to support all the red states sucking away at the economy. So what we will get is austerity, instead. And with that, increased crime, fewer parks and recreation facilities, crumbling communities (once again, the Red ones where nobody lives will be hit the hardest), etc.
D) We are still waiting on all that proof you promised about opioids, marijuana, climate change, etc, etc. You are a fraud, plain and simple.
B) HAHAHA – Nice deflection. The “effect” of the intelligent Republican states was CAUSED by the passing of Obamacare. Those states saw the handwriting on the wall and did not want to be left with the burden of paying for it.
C) How do you define fair and what criteria do you use? Is it fair that there are millions of people who CHOOSE to live off the govt. Yes, I said choose. There are generations of people that manipulate the system to bleed it for whatever they can. They are too lazy to get a real job. Yes, there are millions who NEED assistance and are trying to help themselves. I advocate to help those people. Fix the fraud and waste first, then talk to me about raising taxes.
D) Yes, we will have to wait until it is finalized before we can start critiquing it.
I must say DF, you must have drank too much of their KoolAid, and apparently still do. They continue to make up lies and excuses and you believe them.
You said – “You can look at the states who accepted the funding and continued to support the law who also experienced lower premium increases than the nationwide open-market.”
Is that your idea of success? Having a lower premium INCREASE? Did you ever think that the premiums in the Exchange states might already be higher than the non-Exchange states and that is why the premium INCREASE was lower? What’s the percentage of states doing well (lower costs and more choice) with Obamacare exchanges compared to non-exchange states? How many carriers are still available?
Figures lie and liars figure. Your democratic “friends” are trying to spin a lower premium INCREASE, when the cost is already too high and unaffordable.
Don’t be a sheep. Think for yourself and apply common sense.
Chris Murphy and Richard Bloomenthal of CT are BOTH calling for a fix of ACA. Search Al Gore’s internet for their quotes, starting on June 1, 2017. I found quite a few refenernces to such silly suggestions.
@DF: I expect my pc back from a relative who needs it more than I at the end of next week. Links galore will be provided, to see how you reply to EACH OF THEM.
Meanwhile, if you continue to attack posters, you face a prolonged vacation from these comment boards. Heed the warning, Mr. Internet Tough Guy.
While I have been against the PPACA since day 1, I cannot help but wonder how the health care/insurance situation would be today if the Republicans had spent half of the time they spent on futilely trying to repeal the law on trying to work with President Obama and the Democrats trying to fix it, we may actually have a working system.
Yes, this mess was created by President Obama and the Democrats, but at least they have been acknowledging the need for fixes for some time now.
The Republicans could do that, but it would go against their campaign promises and actually indicate an interest in governing for all the people, not just their base. Can’t have that now, can we?
It would be just another broken campaign promise – something everyone expects from the politicians these days. No one on the street gives a damn what its called. They just want it to work.
That is too simple a concept for any politician to grasp.
This is why we need term limits. One 4-year term for Representatives and one 6-year term for Senators. Someone may serve a term in each house. No more career politicians who care more about keeping their jobs than doing the people’s work. And no pension or any other benefit when you are done.
Bonus effect of term limits: they’d govern instead of lobbying for reelection in the final year(s??) of their term!
While we’re at it, let’s have our elected officials abide by the same rules and regulations as their constituents. If we have to have the ACA or ACHA or whatever healthcare coverage is called, they should be required to have the same coverage!
It will be called ‘the free market solution that politicians had no business involving themselves in, in 2010’.
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Keep wondering. Meanwhile, Republicans are busy devising a FIX or two for the DOZENS of problems created by Socialist intending ultimately to end up in a SINGLE PAYER situation.
If I were like a clueless Libitteral, with no substantive reply, I’d refer to their ultimate goal as ‘SINGLE SLAYER’. More properly, it is ‘SINGLE DELAYER’. IF you live in Cana-duh or the UK, you very well understand what I am implying by the last phrase.
Psst; Ron; the ACA was designed to fail, and lead to public outcry for Single Payer. I hate to continue reminding you of this, and the implication that there is NO FIX POSSIBLE for the death spiral which is nearing its end.
Write down the above and read it at the next instance you feel compelled to repeat your tired, inaccurate charge that Republicans were obligated to fix the mess in the bed that Democrats dumped on US citizens in 2010 after cowardly hiding in seclusion behind closed, LOCKED Congressional doors.
It’s apparent that ‘REPEAL’ is all that is needed immediately.
There are other solution steps in ‘HEALTH CARE SPPECIFICCS’ that can be implemented in subsequent bills or actions taken by the stakeholders in the Health Care and Health Insurance industries.
Meanwhile Dems are still interfering / obstructing while CITIZENS who can no longer afford HI are losing coverage under ACA rules and the 100% correlated death spiral we are experiencing firsthand as witnesses to the historical changes that will soon occur – – – in the free market.
That dastardly CBO again and their director Snidely Whiplash! Out to deceive hardworking conservatives into reclaiming to their weak-kneed representatives.
Republicans only know how to “lead” from behind. When given actual power, they continually fumble. Sometimes the ball gets jostled around, kicked, and jostled until it haphazardly falls over the goal line, but typically, it is scooped up by the other party, which then is forced to slowly drag the ball back the other way while Republicans hang on, saying all along the way, “We have a plan, trust us, America!”
People trusted you, for some reason. What they got or will get from the GOP is:
-A reduction in the quality of their healthcare
-Less oversight to deal with environmental pollution
-Austerity which results in increased societal danger, reduction in public services, and a reduction in quality of life.
-Latching onto the past (unprofitable coal, while shunning green energy to be on par with the global economic climate, being just one thing)
These aren’t scare tactics, it isn’t fearmongering, and it certainly isn’t a lie. These are stated goals and demonstrable effects of the Republican way to “lead.” Apparently making America great again involves cutting its nose off to spite its face.
Doug Fisher, I could not have said it better. I have always believed in hard work and personal responsibility and accountability. But the Republican idea of healthcare is mean spirited, every man/woman/child for himself and may God have mercy on you(that is the only mercy you will receive).
Who messed the bed for Republicans to clean up? Who said IF you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor? Who said IF you like your plan, you can keep your plan? Who said there will be $2500 of premium savings per year? Who said we have to pass it to see what’s in it? Who has been saying where is the Republicans plan after 6 (some use 7) years of saying they said they had a plan? Who controlled the WH Veto Vote for 8 years, 6 of which were years in which ACA was ‘law’?
Yea. Its the republicans fault health care is so screwed up. They are the ones that put the middle layer of worthless govt employees in the mix. They are the ones that put together that piece of crap wen site. They are the ones that think 6 months on an expedited basis for an appeal is good.
Yea, Its the Republicans fault its such a mess, its so expensive and the customer (dis)service is so horrible.
Sounds like your from Chicago. Blame everyone that had nothing to do with it.
I would add that the Republicans only knows how to be the opposition party. Leading is not on the agenda.
Says the person who loved Obama, the person who “led from behind”.
Once again, Celtica, you are “fact challenged”! Have you checked lately how many of Trumps’ nominees have been approved by the Dem’s, compared to the same time period that Obama was in office.
You must use a different dictionary or something.
And now for my opinion – quit giving a rats rear what its called and fix it.
Everyone knows it Obama that screwed it up.
Everyone will know who fixed it.
FFA, good to see you back commenting. I hear that Illinois is about belly up from the reports I have been seeing. This is also due to Progressive Leftist Democratic rule for many, many years.
Il is a mess. See the record Chicago set over 4th week end?
Its been a bit insane for me lately. My dad got really sick for about 6 weeks. He passed on. Funeral was just a week ago. Now, we focus on getting mom out of IL and close to me. No matter how much you think your prepared your not.
Sorry to hear that FFA. I hope you can get your mother close to you to take care of her. By the way, saw Tucker Carlson interviewing one of the young brainwashed women from the religion of peace and she is fearful of the white supremacists shooting people in Chicago. She gave the black gangs a complete pass who have been doing the shootings. What a cesspool of violence they have going on up there. What a warped view of the world some people have. By the way, as hard as Tucker tried, he couldn’t get an intelligent reply out of her and she had memorized her stock answer for everything.
FFA – Prayers and condolences, for you and your family.
I am so sorry to hear that FFA. I will keep you and your family in my prayers and hope the best for you in helping your Mom.
I appreciate the well wishes. With a long drawn out illness, figure I would have been better prepared. No way anything will prepare any one for that.
Sorry about your father, FFA.
It’s too bad Obama and the Democrats didn’t take the time worry about whether Obamacare would fail or not before passing it. If they did (and used obvious logic and didn’t lie) the Republicans wouldn’t have to be cleaning up the MESS they made!!
It’s terribly difficult to walk back the entitlements doled out by Obamacare.
Fess up, Libs, and try to admit that Obamacare is a BUST!
No one on the Progressive side has a plan (i.e. clue) as to how to ‘fix’ ACA. Perhaps the reason is that they are clueless? If not that, then they must think others must fix things they broke. Regardless, by repeatedly calling for Republicans to fix the mess caused by ACA THEY crafted and approved, they are obfuscating the fact THEY (Progressives) are 100% responsible for the mess created by ACA. Finally, Socialists haven’t yet figured out why they’ve lost THOUSANDS of legislative seats across the USA over the years since ACA was passed (after we could found out what’s in it).
A) Not one progressive is calling on any Republican to “fix” the ACA. Name one. Please, by all means.
B) Progressives caused absolutely zero of these messes. If states led by Republican governors and legislatures didn’t decline increased federal Medicaid funding, rates wouldn’t skyrocket. You can look at the states who accepted the funding and continued to support the law who also experienced lower premium increases than the nationwide open-market. States got in the way to block the law, and then raved when it failed in their state. Go figure that Republicans cut off their nose to spite their face.
C) Raising taxes and making things more fair is never a popular position to support. It takes the strong and intelligent to see the benefits for society and their fellow man in having a reduction in their take-home pay via increased taxes. Taxes are too low today. They are literally untenable to support all the red states sucking away at the economy. So what we will get is austerity, instead. And with that, increased crime, fewer parks and recreation facilities, crumbling communities (once again, the Red ones where nobody lives will be hit the hardest), etc.
D) We are still waiting on all that proof you promised about opioids, marijuana, climate change, etc, etc. You are a fraud, plain and simple.
DF-
A) Please read http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/06/say-it-with-me-democrats-want-to-fix-obamacare/
Fyi – this is a liberal site based out of SF.
B) HAHAHA – Nice deflection. The “effect” of the intelligent Republican states was CAUSED by the passing of Obamacare. Those states saw the handwriting on the wall and did not want to be left with the burden of paying for it.
C) How do you define fair and what criteria do you use? Is it fair that there are millions of people who CHOOSE to live off the govt. Yes, I said choose. There are generations of people that manipulate the system to bleed it for whatever they can. They are too lazy to get a real job. Yes, there are millions who NEED assistance and are trying to help themselves. I advocate to help those people. Fix the fraud and waste first, then talk to me about raising taxes.
D) Yes, we will have to wait until it is finalized before we can start critiquing it.
I must say DF, you must have drank too much of their KoolAid, and apparently still do. They continue to make up lies and excuses and you believe them.
DF –
One more thing to dispute your “spin”.
You said – “You can look at the states who accepted the funding and continued to support the law who also experienced lower premium increases than the nationwide open-market.”
Is that your idea of success? Having a lower premium INCREASE? Did you ever think that the premiums in the Exchange states might already be higher than the non-Exchange states and that is why the premium INCREASE was lower? What’s the percentage of states doing well (lower costs and more choice) with Obamacare exchanges compared to non-exchange states? How many carriers are still available?
Figures lie and liars figure. Your democratic “friends” are trying to spin a lower premium INCREASE, when the cost is already too high and unaffordable.
Don’t be a sheep. Think for yourself and apply common sense.
Schmucky Schumer has REPEATEDLY called out Republicans on their plan. Stop lying because you CAN’T get away with them here, pal.
Chris Murphy and Richard Bloomenthal of CT are BOTH calling for a fix of ACA. Search Al Gore’s internet for their quotes, starting on June 1, 2017. I found quite a few refenernces to such silly suggestions.
@DF: I expect my pc back from a relative who needs it more than I at the end of next week. Links galore will be provided, to see how you reply to EACH OF THEM.
Meanwhile, if you continue to attack posters, you face a prolonged vacation from these comment boards. Heed the warning, Mr. Internet Tough Guy.
While I have been against the PPACA since day 1, I cannot help but wonder how the health care/insurance situation would be today if the Republicans had spent half of the time they spent on futilely trying to repeal the law on trying to work with President Obama and the Democrats trying to fix it, we may actually have a working system.
Yes, this mess was created by President Obama and the Democrats, but at least they have been acknowledging the need for fixes for some time now.
The Republicans could do that, but it would go against their campaign promises and actually indicate an interest in governing for all the people, not just their base. Can’t have that now, can we?
It would be just another broken campaign promise – something everyone expects from the politicians these days. No one on the street gives a damn what its called. They just want it to work.
That is too simple a concept for any politician to grasp.
Agreed.
This is why we need term limits. One 4-year term for Representatives and one 6-year term for Senators. Someone may serve a term in each house. No more career politicians who care more about keeping their jobs than doing the people’s work. And no pension or any other benefit when you are done.
Bonus effect of term limits: they’d govern instead of lobbying for reelection in the final year(s??) of their term!
While we’re at it, let’s have our elected officials abide by the same rules and regulations as their constituents. If we have to have the ACA or ACHA or whatever healthcare coverage is called, they should be required to have the same coverage!
OMG!!! We all have a platform we all agree on!!
It’s a start and thank you all!!
It will be called ‘the free market solution that politicians had no business involving themselves in, in 2010’.
Keep wondering. Meanwhile, Republicans are busy devising a FIX or two for the DOZENS of problems created by Socialist intending ultimately to end up in a SINGLE PAYER situation.
If I were like a clueless Libitteral, with no substantive reply, I’d refer to their ultimate goal as ‘SINGLE SLAYER’. More properly, it is ‘SINGLE DELAYER’. IF you live in Cana-duh or the UK, you very well understand what I am implying by the last phrase.
Psst; Ron; the ACA was designed to fail, and lead to public outcry for Single Payer. I hate to continue reminding you of this, and the implication that there is NO FIX POSSIBLE for the death spiral which is nearing its end.
Write down the above and read it at the next instance you feel compelled to repeat your tired, inaccurate charge that Republicans were obligated to fix the mess in the bed that Democrats dumped on US citizens in 2010 after cowardly hiding in seclusion behind closed, LOCKED Congressional doors.
It’s apparent that ‘REPEAL’ is all that is needed immediately.
There are other solution steps in ‘HEALTH CARE SPPECIFICCS’ that can be implemented in subsequent bills or actions taken by the stakeholders in the Health Care and Health Insurance industries.
Meanwhile Dems are still interfering / obstructing while CITIZENS who can no longer afford HI are losing coverage under ACA rules and the 100% correlated death spiral we are experiencing firsthand as witnesses to the historical changes that will soon occur – – – in the free market.
Can you please explain how you think the Dem’s are interfering or obstructing the Republican’s who are trying to draft a replacement plan?
My understanding is that the Republican’s have not allowed the Dem’s to participate in the process of drafting or amending the legislation.
I honestly don’t see how the Dem’s have had any opportunity to actually interfere or obstruct with thier healthcare replacement plan process.
They are LYING about the impact of a repeal and replace, to scare citizens, thus block weak-kneed Republicans from supporting the Republican bill.
I’m glad to edify you. Your welcome. Ask anytime, but make sure the question makes sense and is relevant to the topic of the article.
That dastardly CBO again and their director Snidely Whiplash! Out to deceive hardworking conservatives into reclaiming to their weak-kneed representatives.
Muhuhahaha!
With each of your posts, it’s clear that you’re a troll with nothing substantive to add to the discussions here.
Which Dem’s? What are their names?
Schmucky Schumer, Dick Bloomenthal, Chris Murphy, Al Franken, … want more?
I’ll even add a non-Dem: the currently under criminal investigation Dirty Grandpa from Vermont, Burned-by-Hillary Sanders.