Trump Infrastructure Plan to Nix Obama’s Flood Risk Standards

By | August 15, 2017

  • August 15, 2017 at 4:29 pm
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    • August 16, 2017 at 9:12 am
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      I guess we really won’t know who’s right or who’s wrong until it happens. Right?

      • August 16, 2017 at 9:34 am
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        • August 16, 2017 at 10:55 am
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          I take it you haven’t been to Miami lately. Flooding is the new normal here.

          • August 16, 2017 at 1:51 pm
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          • August 17, 2017 at 4:02 pm
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            If it is cyclical (it’s not) why would you support having the government buy all land in flood areas due to an increase in the number of floods?

          • August 18, 2017 at 10:51 am
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            Govt control over flood plains means exposure to loss is eliminated, or very greatly reduced, relative to domiciles currently existing on such flood plains.

            Loss exposure is eliminated by not putting anything in the way of flood waters.

            Geology 101.

          • August 18, 2017 at 2:28 pm
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            PBR – if the government controls those areas and there is destruction/devisation that needs to be remediated, wouldn’t we (the American Taxpayer) have to foot that bill?

          • August 18, 2017 at 7:56 pm
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            There would be NO damage if the govt returns the land to nature; i.e. parks, walkways/ greenways, etc. No or little building would be allowed…

            Doesn’t the NFIP currently foot the bill more than their revenue from inadequate premiums? A one-time charge-off is better than ongoing losses under a NFIP approach.

            Got any other insurance problems you need me to solve?

          • August 21, 2017 at 12:13 pm
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            Great point, Rosenblatt. I bring this up because the idea is so breathtakingly stupid and he not only defends it but continues to show he understands nothing.

            Yes if government owns it there are no (private) losses. So, genius, explain your plan, including financing, for the government to purchase all of just Miami and New Orleans, where the people will go, how the infrastructure improvements in those places will be funded, etc.

            Ready set, go!

          • August 21, 2017 at 12:15 pm
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            Polar’s posts show you can know all the insurance terminology in the world, but it doesn’t mean you understand what they mean or the basics of insurance.

          • August 21, 2017 at 12:20 pm
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            PBR – even if “the govt returns the land to nature; i.e. parks, walkways/ greenways, etc.” and something causes damage to the parks & walkways, the gov’t would end up paying to fix the issue and we, the american taxpayer, would still foot the bill!!

            Did we not learn that the gov’t actually does pay to renovate, update and fix parks during 5+ seasons of Parks & Rec?

          • August 21, 2017 at 10:00 pm
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            Nope. We know a hoax when we see one. Al Gore predicted some US shorelines would be underwater by now. WRONGore!
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          • August 21, 2017 at 10:00 pm
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            Flooding. Receding. Flooding. Receding.

            Nope. You can’t fool me about the CYCLICAL flooding that occurs every 10(?) years. Look it up.

          • August 23, 2017 at 3:37 pm
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            Reposting the same crap does not make it true. Explain your plan, genius. Cyclical flooding changes nothing, even though that’s not the case, and just a talking point you’ve half memorized.

            IJ,please delete the spammers posting the same thing over and over. Ban repeat spammers.

          • August 24, 2017 at 3:47 pm
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            Hey Ryan, if it rains hard enough long enough, it will flood about anywhere for a short time. Then it will recede and all will be right with the world.

        • August 16, 2017 at 2:39 pm
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        • August 17, 2017 at 6:47 am
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          re-posted on behalf of Agent:

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          Polar, let’s not forget that Gore also proudly proclaimed that the North Pole would be completely melted by 2014. Polar bears would be extinct. Guess that applies to you, but you still seem to be kicking even though the left element down vote you on every comment. By the way, I love your sarcasm.
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          • August 21, 2017 at 12:24 pm
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            Gore referred to one cap melting in the summer and said that some scientists predicted it could be ice free during the summer by 2014. Almost all scientists studying this think it’s happening in the next few years, because it’s been very close, and rapidly decreasing each summer.

            Stop spreading your BS. All you post are factual inaccuracies and outright lies, and now you insist on copying and pasting the BS of others.

      • August 17, 2017 at 6:49 am
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    • August 16, 2017 at 2:12 pm
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      President TRUMP is continuing to try and build our economy. Construction is a major contributor to a vital economy, and TRUMP is simply trying to speed up the permitting process. The article clearly says that states and local governments can keep the more stringent requirements.

      • August 16, 2017 at 3:36 pm
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        Yeah, who would want to carefully determine where things should be built, making sure things are done properly to last for generations?

        • August 18, 2017 at 10:55 am
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          Yeah, who would want to carefully determine where things should be built, making sure things are done properly to last for generations?

          Last for generations, like Social Security? Ooops! It’s gonna fold soon unless major surgery is done on it.

          Last for generations, like Medicare? Ooops! It’s severely underfunded, like a Ponzi Scheme not even Bernie Madoff would have had the stones to attempt.

          Last for generations, Like Medicaid? Oooops! See above comments for Social Security and Medicare.

          NOTHING done by Liberals / Socialists lasts for generations without dictatorial rule. Example: Venezuela, Cuba, N Korea, Russia.

    • August 17, 2017 at 6:46 am
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      Misleading title of the article. Nowhere in the title is ‘sea level rise’ included, which clearly delineates the reach of the regulation being repealed. (Was ‘nixed’ used to subliminally refer to Richard NIXon, as in ‘impeach him’?)
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      • August 24, 2017 at 3:45 pm
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        Polar, Galveston is getting around 20 inches of rain today and the bay might rise 1/4 inch. Of course, it will be back to normal within a week. Hope the Hoaxers are happy now.

    • August 21, 2017 at 10:01 pm
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      Misleading title of the article. Nowhere in the title is ‘sea level rise’ included, which clearly delineates the reach of the regulation being repealed. (Was ‘nixed’ used to subliminally refer to Richard NIXon, as in ‘impeach him’?)
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  • August 16, 2017 at 11:52 am
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    In today’s throwaway culture society, it makes sense not to build government buildings thinking of future weather and climate occurrences.

    Back in the day, they built things to last, but nowadays, who cares, right?

    As a matter to correct the record of faulty information in the comments section:

    1. Al Gore is not a scientist. I know, this may come as a shocker to some, but he is actually a politician/activist. His opinions on climate change are only worth as much as anyone else’s who doesn’t have the scientific training and background to actually research and interpret the data.

    2. Al Gore did not predict that coastlines would be underwater by now. His movie stated “in the near future” when talking about this cataclysmic event. What the near future is for him is obviously undefined. Had he stated “In the next 15 years” he would have been laughed at even by other climate activists.

    3. Even the 20-ft figure is overblown and way more than what will almost certainly happen, even should massive ice shelves collapse into the water and melt. However, a fraction of that increase would still cause coastal and property loss the world over.

    4. The ocean levels have been consistently rising for years. It would be an irresponsible use of tax dollars to build massive, multi-million dollar projects close to affected areas without thinking what this continued sea level rise will do them. Why not spend the extra few percent it would take to prepare for the future rather than pass the buck to future generations?

    • August 16, 2017 at 1:17 pm
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      Excellent points, Doug. I thought my conservative friends are about saving tax dollars. This move wastes them either for us or future generations. Why not measure twice and cut once? Every carpenter knows this.

      • August 16, 2017 at 2:25 pm
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        Buy Flood Insurance! These floods cost the government money because people don’t take responsibility for their actions. They don’t buy flood insurance, then cry and put their hands out for free government money to repair their homes or replace their personal items.

        • August 16, 2017 at 4:05 pm
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          Well, the article is talking about government funded infrastructure projects, not individuals choosing to go without flood insurance on their homes. This is from the first couple paragraphs:

          “President Donald Trump will revoke an Obama-era executive order on Tuesday that required strict building standards for government-funded projects to reduce exposure to increased flooding from sea level rise, sources said.

          Trump will sign his executive order this afternoon to revoke the standards as part of his administration’s plan to “streamline the current process” for infrastructure projects, a government official said.”

          So, it is our taxes being spent here. Or, your kids’ or grandkids’ taxes. I’m so old, I remember a lot of moaning about “kicking the can” when President Obama was in office.

    • August 16, 2017 at 1:52 pm
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      Nope. In the near future is a lie. He predicted rising shorelines by the early 2010’s. Look it up in a RELIABLE source.

      • August 16, 2017 at 3:28 pm
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        You seem to have the answers already, why don’t you link us to where he said that.

        I can’t seem to find it anywhere. Don’t worry, I will clink to see your comments even when they are inevitably blocked by all of us who have been hoaxed.

        • August 17, 2017 at 8:34 am
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          He would have to have a link first. He said it so authoritatively, though, which must mean he really read somewhere, right? RIGHT??

          Nope, not in Yogi’s world. Where the more definitively a “fact” is stated, the more likely it is to be totally made up.

        • August 18, 2017 at 1:12 pm
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          Well, deleting everything is as good an effort as any, I guess.

          • August 22, 2017 at 5:06 pm
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            Hooray for IJ deleting comments but leaving your cheering insults against a group. Jokers.

    • August 16, 2017 at 3:30 pm
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      Why do you keep talking about Al Gore? Nobody is talking about Al Gore. See my points above.

      Why is that your gut-reaction anytime anyone talks about climate change?

      • August 16, 2017 at 7:23 pm
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        Yeah, me and literally billions of other people around the world and every single country on the planet except Syria…

        We really fell for that hoax, didn’t we? Climate changers are the equivalent of flat earthers.

    • August 17, 2017 at 12:34 pm
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      First, source required. Second, what makes you think I care about Al Gore? I do, however, care about the science and the ramifications to future generations and the planet at large should we continue to ignore it.

    • August 17, 2017 at 11:22 pm
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      What are those numbers after inflation adjustment to 1976 level? Now, compare them to “The World At War”. Ready, steady, … GO!

  • August 16, 2017 at 1:36 pm
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    Maybe we need to build yet another wall – this time, a seawall, and we can insist that King Neptune pay for it since the intrusion comes from his domain!

  • August 17, 2017 at 10:01 am
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    I saved that Charlottesville thread in case anybody wants a copy to refer to it the next time someone wants to claims they never equated Nazis and KKK members with movements like Black Lives Matter.

    IJ has seen fit to delete the whole article and all the comments, most likely due to intense shame on how it makes our industry look, and the people who work in it. I think the bigger shame is trying to hide the fact that some of the people who post here the most were the quickest to empathize with the racist, fascist low-lifes, holding torches and yelling out Nazi slogans on AMERICAN SOIL. These are no disenfranchised white men, they are racist sociopaths, full stop.

    • August 17, 2017 at 10:22 am
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      So that’s where it went…How do I get a copy?

      • August 17, 2017 at 11:12 am
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        https:://w w w.sendspace.com/file/c2210u

        This is saved only as of 5:11pm EST yesterday, but still has most of the garbage in there. Still a ton of discussion that happened after that timeframe that is lost in time, unless someone else saved it, too.

        I am sure this post will be deleted quickly, so get it while it’s hot.

        • August 22, 2017 at 5:56 pm
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          This is a huge reason the industry struggles to attract top talent. Who wants to work with these people?

    • August 17, 2017 at 10:45 am
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      Yeah, I can’t believe that story was shut down. I’d love to know what the actual reasoning is behind that censorship. Plenty of us were having a civil discourse. Much like we are with this article. Any enlightenment, IJ? Thank you in advance for any explanation you may be willing to provide.

      • August 17, 2017 at 10:50 am
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        The article never should have been posted. It had no real connection to insurance. This happens from time to time.

        • August 17, 2017 at 11:05 am
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          Sometimes ESPN reports on important US News that have no relation to sports, as well. There was no bigger story that week and most likely all month.

          It is part of the national conversation, might as well get out in front of it and create a nice paper trail of people defending Nazis and KKK, right? :)

          • August 17, 2017 at 1:42 pm
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            That, and one could argue there are insurance ties to that story. Intentional acts exclusion, did the permit require those white supremacists carry insurance for the event and how might that not or not respond (funeral expense afforded even if it is an intentional act), the list goes on. This is a good example of why carriers have the intentional act exclusion in their policies. Did the driver/murderer own that vehicle? How might future events’ coverage be impacted when these types of requests are made? I have many insurance questions I can conjure.

          • August 22, 2017 at 6:04 pm
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            Exactly Planet and Doug. It’s almost a comical excuse with the behavior of a cta certain group in there and the other contents they delete here.

            It’s not as if cities or protest organizers have to get insurance, right? Police didn’t step in because they were outgunned by the fascist group. Is that relevant to insuring public entities?

        • August 21, 2017 at 7:33 pm
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          No worries, everybody. Nobody is getting banned anytime soon who doesn’t deserve it.

          Everyone go back to our civility experiment from two weeks ago and it will be all good. Those who choose to take discussions off-topic, continue to lob insults, and drum up conspiracy theories may not be around long enough to see this place become the thing of beauty it ought to be.

          Agreed?

        • August 21, 2017 at 10:08 pm
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          Crybaby sore losers is an apt description of sore losers who try to censor points of view opposite of theirs via BOTs, insults, intimidation, asking friends to downvote posts, etc.

          Reminder: this is a PRIVATELY OWNED board with rules of conduct. If you want to behave as you wish, create your own board. Good luck in finding sponsors…. such as those which sponsor IJ and assume no preferences will be given to one political philosophy over another. That is something about business that some posters didn’t learn in school.

        • August 22, 2017 at 3:26 pm
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          Please think a little more before you say something like that.

          We shouldn’t ban Doug for one, and for two we shouldn’t start flame wars involving the moderators of this site.

          I sometimes disagree with them, but they don’t have malicious intent, Andrew has never been rude to me. He has always been cordial and I don’t appreciate how you just talked to him.

          You should feel lucky if he doesn’t ban you for that, he also is looking out for you Agent. He’s looking out for everyone, no matter how much anyone may disagree with him, or you nor UW nor myself would be here.

          He just wants us to work better.

    • August 22, 2017 at 3:32 pm
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      “Being racist…is bad, but this does not make it ok to…look down on a racist.”

      We can’t look down at racists anymore? Really? That’s your initial stance on this debate? I can’t look down on people who waive the Nazi flag, chant “Jews will not replace us” and draw swastikas on temples?

      My friends’ Jewish ancestors would be rolling over in their graves if they weren’t underneath hundreds of other dead Jews in mass graves in Germany.



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