Many comments included in this article by its supporters, but they all miss the key point; the ACA is a dismal failure. Anyone who continues to support it, hoping for a good outcome provides an example of Einstein’s definition of insanity; i.e. repeating a failed action, hoping for a different outcome.
For example, Senator Murphy, D-CT, used cap letters in a one word reply: SABOTAGE. In fact, the ACA was designed to SABOTAGE the US Healthcare and insurance system, to lead to Single Payer HC. The many exclusions and exemptions led to the current DEATH SPIRAL that was a concealed SABOTAGE carried out Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. Reply to that, with one word or more, Murphy!
“Anyone who continues to support it, hoping for a good outcome provides an example of Einstein’s definition of insanity; i.e. repeating a failed action, hoping for a different outcome.”
Sounds like those who have supported a repeal since it was signed.
It took Edison more than 70 attempts to invent the light bulb.
September 6, 2017 at 1:43 pm
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Was he getting the same result each time?
September 6, 2017 at 2:09 pm
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“I’ve missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I’ve lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I’ve been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I’ve failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed.”
– Michael Jordan
September 6, 2017 at 2:10 pm
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I understand my line can be taken both ways. But, for the opponents of the PPACA to say it has failed, well, they haven’t taken enough shots yet. Why don’t they put on a uniform and help MJ out?
September 6, 2017 at 2:24 pm
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Cap, in an interview hat MJ gave after shooting that commercial, he stated that he has no idea if those are real numbers. He just read what was wrote for him.
September 6, 2017 at 2:41 pm
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FFA,
Safe to say MJ missed a ton of shots, lost many games, and lost many he had a chance to win with a game winner, no? I think the substance is more important than the actual numbers. I watched MJ throughout his career, from NC days on through his Wizards days. I can attest to the substance of the quotation.
September 6, 2017 at 10:21 pm
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OK, I get it…. Obama vetoing the votes was insane.
I’m glad I could clarify your vague post for everyone.
September 7, 2017 at 9:38 am
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How many of President Obama’s vetoes did Congress override?
It is not insanity if you are successful.
September 7, 2017 at 1:09 pm
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Cap, I agree with the thought behind your statement. My reply was just a piece of useless info that stuck in my head.
“If at first you don’t succeed, keep on sucking till you do Succeed”. One Bozo button if you guess who I am quoting.
September 7, 2017 at 4:50 pm
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I got it the first time you wrote it. ACA is a failure and all attempts to end it are considered ‘striving for success’.
Go ahead and spin that one.
September 7, 2017 at 9:48 pm
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No spin needed. The Republicans have failed to repeal the law. They are the true failures, period.
By the way, still waiting for the grand plan from the Republicans, not the the Obamacare light crap they could not even get their most moderate members to support.
Also waiting for President Trump’s great health care plan.
September 8, 2017 at 10:47 am
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Partially correct; Republicans failed to convince Obama not to veto their repeals of his legislative disaster…. almost 70 times.
Soon, without Obama blocking their way, a repeal will occur.
September 8, 2017 at 12:31 pm
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You have been saying “soon” for nearly a year and multiple failed attempts since 1/20/17.
“You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.” The Princess Bride
September 11, 2017 at 9:06 am
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MY timetable? I have no timetable…. I estiamted that the repeal would occur fairly soon. Do you want to go on arguing over a ‘timetable’ rather than debate something of substance? If so, get someone else to follow you down your latest rabbit hole.
September 12, 2017 at 9:46 am
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Since when is it trolling to point out facts?
“You keep using that word (trolling). I do not think it means what you think it means.” The Princess Bride
September 6, 2017 at 2:36 pm
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Polar, I just pulled this story up and couldn’t believe it. Why would anyone spend advertising dollars from taxes on this failed turkey? We have had it for 7 years now and money has gone down the rat hole of the Progressive Dream. I can see the left being upset about these cuts, but tough. They had their chance and blew it.
I like the fact they are spending an insignificant amount of ad money to bring the failure to the attention of people.
Here’s the current sales pitch: “Buy an ACA policy and be around for the end of the Death Spiral. You can tell your grandkids who have private health care insurance what a disaster you lived through… and they’ll probably not believe you.”
Yes, a different course of action by the currently insane Congress is needed to repeal and replace ACA. Once they consider all aspects of HEALTH CARE SPPECIFICCS, they’ll get it right.
This is like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Just because you disagree with a program (which may or may not be failing) doesn’t mean you should do everything you can to make it fail faster. This will make Americans currently enrolled in ACA programs pay more and more for their healthcare and this time they get to blame the detractors as well.
That’s funny! Not only is the ACA rates going up for those enrolled (subsidized by taxpayers), rates are continuing to rise for those in private healthcare plans. Last year our company’s plan increased 28.7%. We just got our renewal and it has increased 39.2%!!! It is ridiculous. ACA is to blame, along with how the medical system works.
Failed Progressive Agenda, failed passage without bi-partisan support, Mandates forcing people to buy one size fits all, small pool of healthy supporting the less healthy who do file the claims, companies not able to make a buck on it because of claims necessitating more and more rate increases, failed website we spent a billion on. Need we go on? Massive fail in every aspect.
and none of those have anything to do with costs of private healthcare, which leads us right back to Counterpoint’s question
September 6, 2017 at 4:26 pm
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Confused, what a troubled Progressive troll you are. You accepted all the lies told by the ex POTUS, Jonathon Gruber, Ezekiel Emanuel, Nancy Pelosi Galore, Chucky Shmucky Schumer and swallowed it hook, line and sinker. The American people had the wool pulled right over their face and have been paying the price ever since. Too bad you were pulling a Rip Van Winkle for the past 7+ years.
September 6, 2017 at 4:49 pm
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Since it’s still an appropriate on-topic reply….
and none of those have anything to do with costs of private healthcare, which leads us right back to Counterpoint’s question
September 6, 2017 at 10:30 pm
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Sorry, Confused, making up lies about what has contributed to the ACA Death Spiral won’t go unchallenged on this forum.
The ACA ended separate High Cost risk pools and melded them into the general risk pool. Economics 101; Supply-Demand curves and (insurance) market equilibrium under pooling situation versus a Nash Separating equilibrium (e.g. proper risk classification for insurance rating).
September 7, 2017 at 1:11 pm
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Agent, you forgot the mention the Failed co Op start ups.
September 6, 2017 at 5:49 pm
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Counterpoint did you just wake for a 7 year sleep? Really?
They should cut the full advertising budget for this.
Who don’t know about it? It gets so much press /publicity from news outlets why spend anything advertising it? $10mill is better spent elsewhere.
Besides that, prior to the ACA, the carriers shouldered the cost of advertising their product. When did it become acceptable to spend public funds advertising for a private company?
Now, how about cutting the web site and the incompetent people that staff the 800 to bad so sad number?
FFA, absolutely no advertising budget at all. Remember the ad with the young Millenial drinking his hot chocolate while living with his parents and applying for Health Insurance? He must have been too old to stay on the parents policy, but still failed to launch.
Or, he was working at a good job, it was a Sunday morning while he was sipping his hot chocolate, and he was having breakfast at his parents’ house. You know, families like to get together for meals and whatnot, kind of what families do. But, he thought he’d take some time to sign up for health insurance before helping his mom make some bacon, being the responsible type he is.
Cap, when is the last time you went to your parents for a Sunday Brunch and shopped for health insurance? Or actually just sat on a computer doing anything? My Dad, rest his soul, would have taken a hammer to the computer.
Well, every time I go back home I do a Sunday brunch at their house. I haven’t shopped for insurance because I already have it, but have certainly I-net shopped for other things while I was there. Also, pulled up the laptop to work a number of times.
September 6, 2017 at 10:26 pm
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That’s odd. I remember very clearly that Nancy Pelosi talked up a situation where people could / should quit there jobs and get ACA coverage so they could enjoy life and not be burdened with a job needed to get health insurance. I forgot the exact speech, but it’s out on the web.
I give your post 2 Pinocchios and a wet dog rolled in turds.
Nancy Pelosi said that musicians and artists could quit their jobs to focus on art and still have health coverage. You do realize that musicians and artists sell their talents, right?
You must think musicians are the lazy bums who play with an open guitar case in the subways and on street corners, right? No, those are lazy bums. Musicians, artists who paint and draw and sculpt, and create imaginatively are the lifeblood of society.
How else do you remember pre-modern society but by the artists that created the Sistine Chapel, the statue David, the Mona Lisa, La Pieta, and so on. Those were artists who were commissioned to create masterpieces. If you are totally ignorant of art, you probably know the person who created each of those works.
Up until the ACA, many artists had no easy recourse to get affordable healthcare coverage. She was saying to these people, “Go, create! Don’t feel tied to the job where you work only for the health care coverage! We’ve got you as a society. We value what you bring to the table”
Yes, that even includes all of the Country music, paintings of swimming pools full of gold, and Confederate statues that you adore. Artists that create those get covered under the ACA just as much as those on the other side of the aisle.
Seriously shaking my head at the way some of you judge the output of others. It is as if what someone makes monetarily is the only judgment of their worth.
It’s true, his post was actually only worthy of 1 Pinocchio and a loose fart.
To look down on artists and musicians is just stupid and devoid of soul. They aren’t looking for handouts, and Nancy Pelosi wasn’t telling them, “go live the high life on the government dole!”
She was saying, “go create!”
What is wrong about that? Nothing progressive about that, in fact, it’s the downright Christian thing to do.
September 12, 2017 at 9:45 am
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Wow. What a rebuttal, considering that my complaint is a lack of action by Republicans.
Good one.
September 7, 2017 at 1:23 pm
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I have said it before and I’ll say it again – Who cares what its called, just fix it. The need to check their egos. We as a whole need to fire the ones that don’t.
Psst; Republicans can’t ‘fix it’; it’s FUBAR.
They can repeal it and get regulations out of the way for the HI Industry to replace it with private plans that are affordable and available.
You are probably right Polar.
After the mess I experienced earlier in the year, $7300 in med bills piled up. My Company revenues are up but my expenses have outpaced the increase in revenues. So, back up to 50 hr work weeks pounding the pavement, less family time, quality of life took another hit.
Partially due to the PPACA poor web site an them thinking 6 months is expedited.
Republicans have shown an inability to fix anything. They just like to complain when Democrats try to do something.
Don’t be surprised if 2010 happens again in 2018 and the Democrats take back control of at least the House. Then we’ll see how much you like President Trump when, assuming the Republicans in the Senate are smart enough to get on board, he signs SPHC.
“Republicans have shown an inability to fix anything. They just like to complain when Democrats try to do something.”
Old phrase, no less true now than it was 20 years ago.
I can line item list things republicans tried to pass that would have made huge changes which were blocked.
It the democrats take things back people like me will still try to get knowledge out there, while people like you will say cliché lines like the above, and do substantial damage with said cliché lines.
Cutting funding for advertising to sign up for the DISASTER ACA? Brilliant! That’s one way to MAGA.
Many comments included in this article by its supporters, but they all miss the key point; the ACA is a dismal failure. Anyone who continues to support it, hoping for a good outcome provides an example of Einstein’s definition of insanity; i.e. repeating a failed action, hoping for a different outcome.
For example, Senator Murphy, D-CT, used cap letters in a one word reply: SABOTAGE. In fact, the ACA was designed to SABOTAGE the US Healthcare and insurance system, to lead to Single Payer HC. The many exclusions and exemptions led to the current DEATH SPIRAL that was a concealed SABOTAGE carried out Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. Reply to that, with one word or more, Murphy!
“Anyone who continues to support it, hoping for a good outcome provides an example of Einstein’s definition of insanity; i.e. repeating a failed action, hoping for a different outcome.”
Sounds like those who have supported a repeal since it was signed.
So, a repeal of a FAILED ACA is to be considered a failure?
Double negative; ponder it for a while.
Let’s try this again since you did not comprehend what I wrote properly.
Every effort, all 70+, to repeal the PPACA have failed, yet some still support a repeal.
That is insane, by Einstein’s definition.
Got it?
It took Edison more than 70 attempts to invent the light bulb.
Was he getting the same result each time?
“I’ve missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I’ve lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I’ve been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I’ve failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed.”
– Michael Jordan
I understand my line can be taken both ways. But, for the opponents of the PPACA to say it has failed, well, they haven’t taken enough shots yet. Why don’t they put on a uniform and help MJ out?
Cap, in an interview hat MJ gave after shooting that commercial, he stated that he has no idea if those are real numbers. He just read what was wrote for him.
FFA,
Safe to say MJ missed a ton of shots, lost many games, and lost many he had a chance to win with a game winner, no? I think the substance is more important than the actual numbers. I watched MJ throughout his career, from NC days on through his Wizards days. I can attest to the substance of the quotation.
OK, I get it…. Obama vetoing the votes was insane.
I’m glad I could clarify your vague post for everyone.
How many of President Obama’s vetoes did Congress override?
It is not insanity if you are successful.
Cap, I agree with the thought behind your statement. My reply was just a piece of useless info that stuck in my head.
“If at first you don’t succeed, keep on sucking till you do Succeed”. One Bozo button if you guess who I am quoting.
I got it the first time you wrote it. ACA is a failure and all attempts to end it are considered ‘striving for success’.
Go ahead and spin that one.
No spin needed. The Republicans have failed to repeal the law. They are the true failures, period.
By the way, still waiting for the grand plan from the Republicans, not the the Obamacare light crap they could not even get their most moderate members to support.
Also waiting for President Trump’s great health care plan.
Partially correct; Republicans failed to convince Obama not to veto their repeals of his legislative disaster…. almost 70 times.
Soon, without Obama blocking their way, a repeal will occur.
You have been saying “soon” for nearly a year and multiple failed attempts since 1/20/17.
“You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.” The Princess Bride
MY timetable? I have no timetable…. I estiamted that the repeal would occur fairly soon. Do you want to go on arguing over a ‘timetable’ rather than debate something of substance? If so, get someone else to follow you down your latest rabbit hole.
Since when is it trolling to point out facts?
“You keep using that word (trolling). I do not think it means what you think it means.” The Princess Bride
Polar, I just pulled this story up and couldn’t believe it. Why would anyone spend advertising dollars from taxes on this failed turkey? We have had it for 7 years now and money has gone down the rat hole of the Progressive Dream. I can see the left being upset about these cuts, but tough. They had their chance and blew it.
I like the fact they are spending an insignificant amount of ad money to bring the failure to the attention of people.
Here’s the current sales pitch: “Buy an ACA policy and be around for the end of the Death Spiral. You can tell your grandkids who have private health care insurance what a disaster you lived through… and they’ll probably not believe you.”
Yes, a different course of action by the currently insane Congress is needed to repeal and replace ACA. Once they consider all aspects of HEALTH CARE SPPECIFICCS, they’ll get it right.
This is like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Just because you disagree with a program (which may or may not be failing) doesn’t mean you should do everything you can to make it fail faster. This will make Americans currently enrolled in ACA programs pay more and more for their healthcare and this time they get to blame the detractors as well.
That’s funny! Not only is the ACA rates going up for those enrolled (subsidized by taxpayers), rates are continuing to rise for those in private healthcare plans. Last year our company’s plan increased 28.7%. We just got our renewal and it has increased 39.2%!!! It is ridiculous. ACA is to blame, along with how the medical system works.
How is the ACA to blame for your private healthcare costs?
Failed Progressive Agenda, failed passage without bi-partisan support, Mandates forcing people to buy one size fits all, small pool of healthy supporting the less healthy who do file the claims, companies not able to make a buck on it because of claims necessitating more and more rate increases, failed website we spent a billion on. Need we go on? Massive fail in every aspect.
and none of those have anything to do with costs of private healthcare, which leads us right back to Counterpoint’s question
Confused, what a troubled Progressive troll you are. You accepted all the lies told by the ex POTUS, Jonathon Gruber, Ezekiel Emanuel, Nancy Pelosi Galore, Chucky Shmucky Schumer and swallowed it hook, line and sinker. The American people had the wool pulled right over their face and have been paying the price ever since. Too bad you were pulling a Rip Van Winkle for the past 7+ years.
Since it’s still an appropriate on-topic reply….
and none of those have anything to do with costs of private healthcare, which leads us right back to Counterpoint’s question
Sorry, Confused, making up lies about what has contributed to the ACA Death Spiral won’t go unchallenged on this forum.
The ACA ended separate High Cost risk pools and melded them into the general risk pool. Economics 101; Supply-Demand curves and (insurance) market equilibrium under pooling situation versus a Nash Separating equilibrium (e.g. proper risk classification for insurance rating).
Agent, you forgot the mention the Failed co Op start ups.
Counterpoint did you just wake for a 7 year sleep? Really?
Sorry FFA, it is hard to remember the dozens of deficiencies of the worst legislation in history.
@Counterpoint: because of subsidies. Costs rise. QED.
Nope. The faster it fails, the faster a long term solution is approved by Congress.
They should cut the full advertising budget for this.
Who don’t know about it? It gets so much press /publicity from news outlets why spend anything advertising it? $10mill is better spent elsewhere.
Besides that, prior to the ACA, the carriers shouldered the cost of advertising their product. When did it become acceptable to spend public funds advertising for a private company?
Now, how about cutting the web site and the incompetent people that staff the 800 to bad so sad number?
FFA, absolutely no advertising budget at all. Remember the ad with the young Millenial drinking his hot chocolate while living with his parents and applying for Health Insurance? He must have been too old to stay on the parents policy, but still failed to launch.
Or, he was working at a good job, it was a Sunday morning while he was sipping his hot chocolate, and he was having breakfast at his parents’ house. You know, families like to get together for meals and whatnot, kind of what families do. But, he thought he’d take some time to sign up for health insurance before helping his mom make some bacon, being the responsible type he is.
Cap, when is the last time you went to your parents for a Sunday Brunch and shopped for health insurance? Or actually just sat on a computer doing anything? My Dad, rest his soul, would have taken a hammer to the computer.
Well, every time I go back home I do a Sunday brunch at their house. I haven’t shopped for insurance because I already have it, but have certainly I-net shopped for other things while I was there. Also, pulled up the laptop to work a number of times.
That’s odd. I remember very clearly that Nancy Pelosi talked up a situation where people could / should quit there jobs and get ACA coverage so they could enjoy life and not be burdened with a job needed to get health insurance. I forgot the exact speech, but it’s out on the web.
I give your post 2 Pinocchios and a wet dog rolled in turds.
Nancy Pelosi said that musicians and artists could quit their jobs to focus on art and still have health coverage. You do realize that musicians and artists sell their talents, right?
You must think musicians are the lazy bums who play with an open guitar case in the subways and on street corners, right? No, those are lazy bums. Musicians, artists who paint and draw and sculpt, and create imaginatively are the lifeblood of society.
How else do you remember pre-modern society but by the artists that created the Sistine Chapel, the statue David, the Mona Lisa, La Pieta, and so on. Those were artists who were commissioned to create masterpieces. If you are totally ignorant of art, you probably know the person who created each of those works.
Up until the ACA, many artists had no easy recourse to get affordable healthcare coverage. She was saying to these people, “Go, create! Don’t feel tied to the job where you work only for the health care coverage! We’ve got you as a society. We value what you bring to the table”
Yes, that even includes all of the Country music, paintings of swimming pools full of gold, and Confederate statues that you adore. Artists that create those get covered under the ACA just as much as those on the other side of the aisle.
Seriously shaking my head at the way some of you judge the output of others. It is as if what someone makes monetarily is the only judgment of their worth.
It’s true, his post was actually only worthy of 1 Pinocchio and a loose fart.
To look down on artists and musicians is just stupid and devoid of soul. They aren’t looking for handouts, and Nancy Pelosi wasn’t telling them, “go live the high life on the government dole!”
She was saying, “go create!”
What is wrong about that? Nothing progressive about that, in fact, it’s the downright Christian thing to do.
Wow. What a rebuttal, considering that my complaint is a lack of action by Republicans.
Good one.
I have said it before and I’ll say it again – Who cares what its called, just fix it. The need to check their egos. We as a whole need to fire the ones that don’t.
Psst; Republicans can’t ‘fix it’; it’s FUBAR.
They can repeal it and get regulations out of the way for the HI Industry to replace it with private plans that are affordable and available.
You are probably right Polar.
After the mess I experienced earlier in the year, $7300 in med bills piled up. My Company revenues are up but my expenses have outpaced the increase in revenues. So, back up to 50 hr work weeks pounding the pavement, less family time, quality of life took another hit.
Partially due to the PPACA poor web site an them thinking 6 months is expedited.
And what has congress done to fix it? NOTHING.
Republicans have shown an inability to fix anything. They just like to complain when Democrats try to do something.
Don’t be surprised if 2010 happens again in 2018 and the Democrats take back control of at least the House. Then we’ll see how much you like President Trump when, assuming the Republicans in the Senate are smart enough to get on board, he signs SPHC.
No “cute” nickname for New York? I’m disappointed in you.
“Republicans have shown an inability to fix anything. They just like to complain when Democrats try to do something.”
Old phrase, no less true now than it was 20 years ago.
I can line item list things republicans tried to pass that would have made huge changes which were blocked.
It the democrats take things back people like me will still try to get knowledge out there, while people like you will say cliché lines like the above, and do substantial damage with said cliché lines.