The GOP should have held this effort until Obamacare fails in 2 or so years. Better to rescue a failed plan than waste precious time spinning wheels to replace the baby of our first Antifa president. At that time there will be no argument about leaving millions without coverage.
Quinn isn’t a racist to point out the dishonest intentions of Dems who crafted this disaster.
Even the LA Times realizes the impending disaster, and the failure of the Dems. But, true to character, the LA Times tries to blame…. TrumPresident… really, they really do! Read it here:
The Death Spiral built into the ACA law language / provisions that would unfold over a few years, has reached the point of being able to predict ACA’s demise in mid 2018, which is fairly close to the time I once projected (near election day, 2018). The unaffordability of the ACA was designed in secret meeting of Democrat Senate leaders, behind closed doors with locks newly installed at the direction of former US Senate Leader, Harry ‘The Body’ Reid. If those details had become public before the law was passed, the embedded Death Spiral provisions would have been discovered in time to prevent passage of the disastrous bill.
“I predict there will be several downvotes to the post above in an hour, and a reply by a Libitteral that Fox (Faux, Faxkes) News is really biased, their projection is speculation, and other trolling stuff.”
Polar – would you rather (1) see the ACA implode and have millions of people without coverage for an unknown amount of time until a replacement is put in place or (2) have our government enact some safety measure(s) to ensure folks are able to continue to afford their coverage (for example: extending payment of the Health Insurance subsidies for next year)?
I can answer that. S/he wants the implosion so s/he can brag about being right. S/he has shown little to no compassion for others in regards to the health care/insurance debate.
Implosion is inevitable since Dems blocked the repeal & replace to a greater extent than did three Republicans.
I prefer implosion as it was the DESIGN OF THE DEMS for it to happen, so THEY (DEMS) are to blame for millions, no, tens of millions, no, hundreds of millions, no, BILLIONS of people without insurance. Guess those BILLIONS will just have to pay out of pocket, a la HYUUGE deductibles under ACA rules. Ooops!
Of course, you realize now that I am mocking your lame projection of loss of coverage… the health care that is TRULY needed will be available to those who seek it. Hippocratic oath and stuff like that are the reasons your hyperbolic scare tactics don’t work on people who have an IQ higher than room temperature.
Geez man, did I run over your family dog or something? What’s with your attitude?
There are simply two options with the ACA right now — (1) let it continue on its path towards the inevitable Death Spiral where coverage will not be affordable for many or (2) try to stop that from happening by enacting stop-gap measures (e.g. insurer subsidies) until a suitable replacement is approved.
Your snarky and condescending reply doesn’t allow me to figure out which of those two options you think would be better for our country.
September 27, 2017 at 1:45 pm
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President TRUMP should pick 5 intelligent Republicans, 5 intelligent Democrats, 5 intelligent Insurance people and 5 intelligent medical professionals and lock them in a room until they come up with a fix to the whole medical insurance and costs issues.
Jack – you left one demographic out of your mix – Trump should talk to people on Main St USA – Joe / Jane Average types trying to support their families – about what they want to see be done with Health Care. Mix in a few agents too.
I’ll bet they would say something like My In Network Doctors should have the hospitals they have privileges at are automatically in network. Or maybe – send me one bill instead of 4+ for the same date of service.
Then I will agree with you 100% instead of just 90%.
Single payer is the only solution for that problem. Forcing any hospital to accept that would go against free-market principles. Even the PPACA was not that Socialist.
No need for that…. it’s overkill. Just set up a meeting between me and Ryan and Mitch and we’ll have the thing fixed in… a few decades as Medicare is replaced and Medicaid is shrunk to only being a true safety net.
Jack,
Any relation to Bea Tunauph? I like the idea of having a diversified team working on the fix. I concur. Though, I don’t think this prez is qualified to choose those individuals. We need someone less carny.
One problem for your ‘plan’; your side isn’t in control of Congress or The White House … or SCOTUS. And your side shut the Republicans out of the discussion when final ACA terms were developed behind closed doors – with new door locks installed at the behest of Dingy Harry Reid. Karma!
PS furthermore, the plan developed last time (ACA) by Dems turned out to be such a disaster that NO ONE on the Republican side would dare vote for it, let alone discuss it in a public forum.
Jack,
Only problem with you logic is I assume by party participation you are talking politicians and both sides of crooks have no desire to fix this mess. If any of them really cared about this country instead of petty party politics this would have been fixed years ago. The ACA has been a failure since day one and why is that again party politics rather than doing what they are sent to Washington to do and that is the will of the people of their states.
To All politicians stop already and do your darn job as defined by the constitution of this great Nation.
OK, so it’s time to let Obamacare collapse under it’s own weight. The Dems and crazy Chuckie Schumer who concocted this terrible plan in the first place are already trying to place blame on the Republicans for “sabotaging” it. This plan they did with no Republican support and with bribes to several own members. What a joke. The collapse will be fully on the Dems. Wear it with pride.
Hopefully the next plan does something about the cost of providing healthcare rather than divvying up who will pay for it. Being in the insurance industry, a good place to start is tort reform, something the Dems wouldn’t touch being in the back pockets of the trial lawyers. Here’s Howard Dean admitting as much. One of the few things in his life he got right. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaMj-WUC-aE
Our POTUS has said from day one, pass it and I will sign it. There always seems to be a few like Rand Paul, Susan Collins, Ted Cruz who object to anything. McCain ran for re-election on the promise to repeal and replace. Look at him now. He is so Cancer ravaged, he can’t even complete a sentence, but he still knows how to say no instead of doing the right thing.
Psst; Congress’ job is to craft bills and pass them. POTUS merely signs them into law. Ever take a Civics course in school? … really? …. I thought not.
Anything i45 does or does not do in order to cripple the law is on him. It’s the law of the land since his party couldn’t fulfill the promise they made. So, work with it and help folks like that Denver couple out. Pretty simple. Who’s next?
I think we should mirror our healthcare off of the country our president invented, Nambia. They are self-sufficient. Maybe we should get some of i45’s senior officials to use their private server emails to charter a military plane over there to check it out first hand. They can bring their wives and take in some R&R on tax payer dime while they are at it. I heard the cuisine and riverboat cruises over there are amazing!
The only people who are ineffective are Dems, who are out of power in most jurisdictions’ legislatures, governor’s offices, US Congress, and the White House. Joining them in ineffectiveness are RINOs and moderate Republicans who cannot be rightly pinned down as RINOs – yet. Oh, yeah; I forgot; also include Hillary and her campaign staff.
The party out of power, who couldn’t stop a unified republican congress if they tried…is the ineffectual one. So the party with all the power who has passed ZERO major legislation since gaining power…that’s the effective one.
“the plan developed last time (ACA) by Dems turned out to be such a disaster that NO ONE on the Republican side would dare vote for it”
When the minority are Republicans who don’t vote for something, the Democrats are ineffective even though their majority party got it passed, but the Republicans were right not to vote for it.
But when the minority are Democrats who don’t vote for something, the Democrats are still the ineffective ones even though the majority party did NOT get it passed, because the Democrats were wrong for not voting for it.
I think the take away is PBR thinks everything is always the Democrats fault no matter what happened, who holds the power, or who actually voted for it.
And let’s just forget about the hundreds of Republican amendments that were added to the ACA or the many days of debates that were held. That’s not relevant. “They changed the locks and the Republicans weren’t involved at all!”
October 2, 2017 at 4:39 pm
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“And let’s just forget about the hundreds of Republican amendments that were added to the ACA or the many days of debates that were held. That’s not relevant. “They changed the locks and the Republicans weren’t involved at all!””
We went over this in the past, do you want for me to humiliate you again? There are no major sections from republicans built into the ACA. I already gave you links going over what the additions were, line item.
I’ll just use politifact, look at their conclusion. After a certain point democrats did definitely lock out republicans, and, from the beginning, they did not allow the republicans to handle anything of substance.
By comparison, the republicans offered to expand Medicaid for several years until premiums came down, they offered to reduce credits for affluent earners, they offered several crucial pieces as I said before, and the democrats insisted that we use the starting point a several thousand page bill, instead of taking their areas they like in terms of assistance and simplifying a bill.
The republicans bent over backwards to compromise, and have for some time, the democrats day one said they would work with no other bill, so the republicans sought their only path: Reconciliation, and somehow, the democrats avoided blame here, yet again.
This is funny how Ron says the problem is we don’t blame republicans, the population at large BLAMED REPUBLICANS not democrats for this. This is sheer ignorance, I have proven this, and the only reason you don’t listen Rosenblatt, is cliché lines, ego intensive morality issues, and cliché social justice lines.
Either get your facts straight, or leave the debate to the adults.
You’re just bluntly wrong on this. Republicans voted for Obama’s appointments until he kept on being divisive, and it is clear this issue did not start with the right, so I don’t need to hear a false equivalency argument.
If this doesn’t stop we may well have a civil war, or have you not paid attention?
It’s time to listen to conservatives instead of saying hypocrite all day long. You clearly aren’t hearing what they are saying, nor any conservatives here.
October 2, 2017 at 4:54 pm
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bob – if ANY Republican amendments were incorporated into the ACA, regardless of their effectiveness or content, it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Democrats DID discuss and debate the plan with the Republicans before it came to a vote. That was my point.
October 2, 2017 at 4:59 pm
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My point in a Q&A:
Q: Did the Republicans get “locked out” of the debate process over the ACA?
A: No. They were able to propose amendments and the ACA was updated with some of their suggestions.
Your point in Q&A:
Q: Did the Republicans get to make “meaningful” amendments to the ACA?
A: No, but you do admit some of their suggestions WERE incorporated into the ACA, albeit mainly technical in nature.
You and I are not arguing the same thing from different sides of the coin. Your argument does not invalidate my point.
October 2, 2017 at 6:50 pm
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“Q: Did the Republicans get “locked out” of the debate process over the ACA?”
A: No. They were able to propose amendments and the ACA was updated with some of their suggestions.
Your point in Q&A:”
Answer: Yes. The democrats threw small items to make joint work appear to be the case, and as my link said, once the big debate started ALL amendments were cut off and nothing was approved.
Q: Did the Republicans get to make “meaningful” amendments to the ACA?
A: No, but you do admit some of their suggestions WERE incorporated into the ACA, albeit mainly technical in nature.
You and I are not arguing the same thing from different sides of the coin. Your argument does not invalidate my point”
The no, doesn’t need a but. This means the democrats were not including the republicans. You refuse to throw anything at democrats, don’t you? Tell me their flaws. List one, one big one, they have done with regards to the debt and healthcare debates themselves.
October 2, 2017 at 6:54 pm
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“bob – if ANY Republican amendments were incorporated into the ACA, regardless of their effectiveness or content, it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Democrats DID discuss and debate the plan with the Republicans before it came to a vote. That was my point.”
Cliché line, and this is used intentionally to win you over on ideological commentary. It proves nothing useful Rosenblatt. If one party puts small things in to claim in public they are bi partisan, followed by blocking the other party out and receiving no votes as a result, they definitely beyond a shadow of a doubt did worse than blocking the republicans out, they feigned inclusion and then threw them out and called them hypocrites when they said the bill wasn’t bi partisan.
You have got to stop falling for this.
They have never conceded any large points like republicans. Now, over concepts, you say the republicans did it more, despite offering 4 years of Medicaid expansion to ease the woes as they transition to a better plan as premiums drop, despite leniency on tax credits, despite a numerous amount of cave ins, pre existing conditions, and other factors, the democrats refused to come to the table, and again, you blame republicans and not democrats. At what point does it become clear they will not pass republican ideals?
They won’t, and I am proving republicans DO pass democrat ones, BIG ones. What big item do democrats support that they offered to republicans as COMPROMISE? Line item it!
October 3, 2017 at 10:12 am
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I have railed against Democrats many times and, conversely, have praised Trump and Republicans as well on this forum. I don’t have to reiterate those points just to appease you. You can say I don’t blame Democrats as often as you want, or that I don’t listen to conservatives, but that’s just false.
As I understand your response to my original point: even though there were 3 House committees, 2 Senate committees, 60 hours of debate over 13 days in the Senate Health Committee, 8 days of debate in the Senate Finance Committee, 100+ amendments, 79 roll-call votes, and a full debate in the Senate for 25 straight days, the Republicans weren’t included in the ACA process because no “meaningful” amendments were incorporated.
You are free to believe that to your hearts content, and I am free to say I think you’re taking a totally absurd stance as you’re ignoring the facts of how the debate over the ACA in our government really went down.
The GOP should have held this effort until Obamacare fails in 2 or so years. Better to rescue a failed plan than waste precious time spinning wheels to replace the baby of our first Antifa president. At that time there will be no argument about leaving millions without coverage.
A little racist aren’t we.
Quinn isn’t a racist to point out the dishonest intentions of Dems who crafted this disaster.
Even the LA Times realizes the impending disaster, and the failure of the Dems. But, true to character, the LA Times tries to blame…. TrumPresident… really, they really do! Read it here:
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-obamacare-victims-20170929-story.html
Death Spiral update:
The Death Spiral built into the ACA law language / provisions that would unfold over a few years, has reached the point of being able to predict ACA’s demise in mid 2018, which is fairly close to the time I once projected (near election day, 2018). The unaffordability of the ACA was designed in secret meeting of Democrat Senate leaders, behind closed doors with locks newly installed at the direction of former US Senate Leader, Harry ‘The Body’ Reid. If those details had become public before the law was passed, the embedded Death Spiral provisions would have been discovered in time to prevent passage of the disastrous bill.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/29/in-47-50-cities-obamacare-coverage-will-be-unaffordable-in-2018-by-laws-definition.html
“I predict there will be several downvotes to the post above in an hour, and a reply by a Libitteral that Fox (Faux, Faxkes) News is really biased, their projection is speculation, and other trolling stuff.”
Wrong…again.
Polar – would you rather (1) see the ACA implode and have millions of people without coverage for an unknown amount of time until a replacement is put in place or (2) have our government enact some safety measure(s) to ensure folks are able to continue to afford their coverage (for example: extending payment of the Health Insurance subsidies for next year)?
Rosenblatt,
I can answer that. S/he wants the implosion so s/he can brag about being right. S/he has shown little to no compassion for others in regards to the health care/insurance debate.
Sock. Puppet. Rabbit. Hole. Bye!
Implosion is inevitable since Dems blocked the repeal & replace to a greater extent than did three Republicans.
I prefer implosion as it was the DESIGN OF THE DEMS for it to happen, so THEY (DEMS) are to blame for millions, no, tens of millions, no, hundreds of millions, no, BILLIONS of people without insurance. Guess those BILLIONS will just have to pay out of pocket, a la HYUUGE deductibles under ACA rules. Ooops!
Of course, you realize now that I am mocking your lame projection of loss of coverage… the health care that is TRULY needed will be available to those who seek it. Hippocratic oath and stuff like that are the reasons your hyperbolic scare tactics don’t work on people who have an IQ higher than room temperature.
Geez man, did I run over your family dog or something? What’s with your attitude?
There are simply two options with the ACA right now — (1) let it continue on its path towards the inevitable Death Spiral where coverage will not be affordable for many or (2) try to stop that from happening by enacting stop-gap measures (e.g. insurer subsidies) until a suitable replacement is approved.
Your snarky and condescending reply doesn’t allow me to figure out which of those two options you think would be better for our country.
President TRUMP should pick 5 intelligent Republicans, 5 intelligent Democrats, 5 intelligent Insurance people and 5 intelligent medical professionals and lock them in a room until they come up with a fix to the whole medical insurance and costs issues.
Jack – you left one demographic out of your mix – Trump should talk to people on Main St USA – Joe / Jane Average types trying to support their families – about what they want to see be done with Health Care. Mix in a few agents too.
I’ll bet they would say something like My In Network Doctors should have the hospitals they have privileges at are automatically in network. Or maybe – send me one bill instead of 4+ for the same date of service.
Then I will agree with you 100% instead of just 90%.
FFA,
Single payer is the only solution for that problem. Forcing any hospital to accept that would go against free-market principles. Even the PPACA was not that Socialist.
No need for that…. it’s overkill. Just set up a meeting between me and Ryan and Mitch and we’ll have the thing fixed in… a few decades as Medicare is replaced and Medicaid is shrunk to only being a true safety net.
You’re welcome!
Jack,
Any relation to Bea Tunauph? I like the idea of having a diversified team working on the fix. I concur. Though, I don’t think this prez is qualified to choose those individuals. We need someone less carny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXRfnIfFYFI
One problem for your ‘plan’; your side isn’t in control of Congress or The White House … or SCOTUS. And your side shut the Republicans out of the discussion when final ACA terms were developed behind closed doors – with new door locks installed at the behest of Dingy Harry Reid. Karma!
PS furthermore, the plan developed last time (ACA) by Dems turned out to be such a disaster that NO ONE on the Republican side would dare vote for it, let alone discuss it in a public forum.
Jack,
Only problem with you logic is I assume by party participation you are talking politicians and both sides of crooks have no desire to fix this mess. If any of them really cared about this country instead of petty party politics this would have been fixed years ago. The ACA has been a failure since day one and why is that again party politics rather than doing what they are sent to Washington to do and that is the will of the people of their states.
To All politicians stop already and do your darn job as defined by the constitution of this great Nation.
OK, so it’s time to let Obamacare collapse under it’s own weight. The Dems and crazy Chuckie Schumer who concocted this terrible plan in the first place are already trying to place blame on the Republicans for “sabotaging” it. This plan they did with no Republican support and with bribes to several own members. What a joke. The collapse will be fully on the Dems. Wear it with pride.
Hopefully the next plan does something about the cost of providing healthcare rather than divvying up who will pay for it. Being in the insurance industry, a good place to start is tort reform, something the Dems wouldn’t touch being in the back pockets of the trial lawyers. Here’s Howard Dean admitting as much. One of the few things in his life he got right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaMj-WUC-aE
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He does say/tweet a lot. Too bad he does not actually take the lead and do anything. Just sits around waiting for something to sign for the photo op.
Psst; Congress’ job is to craft bills and pass them. POTUS merely signs them into law. Ever take a Civics course in school? … really? …. I thought not.
Then why do you constantly refer to the PPACA as Obamacare, or some other similar, “clever” word?
I don’t refer to that disaster as anything else but ACA, without a ‘the’ preceding it. Figure out why this evening and I’ll send you a cookie.
Looks to me like Senator McCain has no problem completing sentences:
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/352661-mccain-renews-push-for-trade-legislation-to-help-in-hurricane-recovery
Anything i45 does or does not do in order to cripple the law is on him. It’s the law of the land since his party couldn’t fulfill the promise they made. So, work with it and help folks like that Denver couple out. Pretty simple. Who’s next?
I think we should mirror our healthcare off of the country our president invented, Nambia. They are self-sufficient. Maybe we should get some of i45’s senior officials to use their private server emails to charter a military plane over there to check it out first hand. They can bring their wives and take in some R&R on tax payer dime while they are at it. I heard the cuisine and riverboat cruises over there are amazing!
Why not? We see how ineffective the Republicans/Conservatives/Capitalists have been.
The only people who are ineffective are Dems, who are out of power in most jurisdictions’ legislatures, governor’s offices, US Congress, and the White House. Joining them in ineffectiveness are RINOs and moderate Republicans who cannot be rightly pinned down as RINOs – yet. Oh, yeah; I forgot; also include Hillary and her campaign staff.
And it’s the Washington Generals fault that the Harlem Globetrotters keep beating them.
So, the party that actually passed their health care law is ineffective?
No wonder you have zero credibility.
LOL!
The party out of power, who couldn’t stop a unified republican congress if they tried…is the ineffectual one. So the party with all the power who has passed ZERO major legislation since gaining power…that’s the effective one.
Again: LOL!
Let’s not forget what he posted above too
“the plan developed last time (ACA) by Dems turned out to be such a disaster that NO ONE on the Republican side would dare vote for it”
When the minority are Republicans who don’t vote for something, the Democrats are ineffective even though their majority party got it passed, but the Republicans were right not to vote for it.
But when the minority are Democrats who don’t vote for something, the Democrats are still the ineffective ones even though the majority party did NOT get it passed, because the Democrats were wrong for not voting for it.
I think the take away is PBR thinks everything is always the Democrats fault no matter what happened, who holds the power, or who actually voted for it.
And let’s just forget about the hundreds of Republican amendments that were added to the ACA or the many days of debates that were held. That’s not relevant. “They changed the locks and the Republicans weren’t involved at all!”
“And let’s just forget about the hundreds of Republican amendments that were added to the ACA or the many days of debates that were held. That’s not relevant. “They changed the locks and the Republicans weren’t involved at all!””
We went over this in the past, do you want for me to humiliate you again? There are no major sections from republicans built into the ACA. I already gave you links going over what the additions were, line item.
I’ll just use politifact, look at their conclusion. After a certain point democrats did definitely lock out republicans, and, from the beginning, they did not allow the republicans to handle anything of substance.
By comparison, the republicans offered to expand Medicaid for several years until premiums came down, they offered to reduce credits for affluent earners, they offered several crucial pieces as I said before, and the democrats insisted that we use the starting point a several thousand page bill, instead of taking their areas they like in terms of assistance and simplifying a bill.
The republicans bent over backwards to compromise, and have for some time, the democrats day one said they would work with no other bill, so the republicans sought their only path: Reconciliation, and somehow, the democrats avoided blame here, yet again.
This is funny how Ron says the problem is we don’t blame republicans, the population at large BLAMED REPUBLICANS not democrats for this. This is sheer ignorance, I have proven this, and the only reason you don’t listen Rosenblatt, is cliché lines, ego intensive morality issues, and cliché social justice lines.
Either get your facts straight, or leave the debate to the adults.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/mar/16/luis-gutierrez/rep-gutierrez-says-hundreds-republican-amendments-/
Link, it didn’t paste the first time.
You’re just bluntly wrong on this. Republicans voted for Obama’s appointments until he kept on being divisive, and it is clear this issue did not start with the right, so I don’t need to hear a false equivalency argument.
If this doesn’t stop we may well have a civil war, or have you not paid attention?
It’s time to listen to conservatives instead of saying hypocrite all day long. You clearly aren’t hearing what they are saying, nor any conservatives here.
bob – if ANY Republican amendments were incorporated into the ACA, regardless of their effectiveness or content, it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Democrats DID discuss and debate the plan with the Republicans before it came to a vote. That was my point.
My point in a Q&A:
Q: Did the Republicans get “locked out” of the debate process over the ACA?
A: No. They were able to propose amendments and the ACA was updated with some of their suggestions.
Your point in Q&A:
Q: Did the Republicans get to make “meaningful” amendments to the ACA?
A: No, but you do admit some of their suggestions WERE incorporated into the ACA, albeit mainly technical in nature.
You and I are not arguing the same thing from different sides of the coin. Your argument does not invalidate my point.
“Q: Did the Republicans get “locked out” of the debate process over the ACA?”
A: No. They were able to propose amendments and the ACA was updated with some of their suggestions.
Your point in Q&A:”
Answer: Yes. The democrats threw small items to make joint work appear to be the case, and as my link said, once the big debate started ALL amendments were cut off and nothing was approved.
Q: Did the Republicans get to make “meaningful” amendments to the ACA?
A: No, but you do admit some of their suggestions WERE incorporated into the ACA, albeit mainly technical in nature.
You and I are not arguing the same thing from different sides of the coin. Your argument does not invalidate my point”
The no, doesn’t need a but. This means the democrats were not including the republicans. You refuse to throw anything at democrats, don’t you? Tell me their flaws. List one, one big one, they have done with regards to the debt and healthcare debates themselves.
“bob – if ANY Republican amendments were incorporated into the ACA, regardless of their effectiveness or content, it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Democrats DID discuss and debate the plan with the Republicans before it came to a vote. That was my point.”
Cliché line, and this is used intentionally to win you over on ideological commentary. It proves nothing useful Rosenblatt. If one party puts small things in to claim in public they are bi partisan, followed by blocking the other party out and receiving no votes as a result, they definitely beyond a shadow of a doubt did worse than blocking the republicans out, they feigned inclusion and then threw them out and called them hypocrites when they said the bill wasn’t bi partisan.
You have got to stop falling for this.
They have never conceded any large points like republicans. Now, over concepts, you say the republicans did it more, despite offering 4 years of Medicaid expansion to ease the woes as they transition to a better plan as premiums drop, despite leniency on tax credits, despite a numerous amount of cave ins, pre existing conditions, and other factors, the democrats refused to come to the table, and again, you blame republicans and not democrats. At what point does it become clear they will not pass republican ideals?
They won’t, and I am proving republicans DO pass democrat ones, BIG ones. What big item do democrats support that they offered to republicans as COMPROMISE? Line item it!
I have railed against Democrats many times and, conversely, have praised Trump and Republicans as well on this forum. I don’t have to reiterate those points just to appease you. You can say I don’t blame Democrats as often as you want, or that I don’t listen to conservatives, but that’s just false.
As I understand your response to my original point: even though there were 3 House committees, 2 Senate committees, 60 hours of debate over 13 days in the Senate Health Committee, 8 days of debate in the Senate Finance Committee, 100+ amendments, 79 roll-call votes, and a full debate in the Senate for 25 straight days, the Republicans weren’t included in the ACA process because no “meaningful” amendments were incorporated.
You are free to believe that to your hearts content, and I am free to say I think you’re taking a totally absurd stance as you’re ignoring the facts of how the debate over the ACA in our government really went down.