The kids to which Planet is referencing are just now high school students – the majority of them clearly don’t fall in the 20-30 year old range as of 4 years ago…they were just in Junior High then.
Don’t hold your breath waiting for young people to get involved in a large way.
A few ego-driven kids telling themselves to feel good about slogans isn’t a movement. It’s an embarrassment. 90% of these kids have no idea how to stop any shootings, haven’t given it 30 seconds of serious thought.
It is all “going with the flow”. This isn’t rebellion, it’s conformity on a mass scale, doing what your teachers and the media cheerleaders tell you to do.
There’s nothing of substance in your post to which I could intelligently reply, so I’ll just go with — you’re certainly entitled to your opinion, which I vehemently disagree with.
March 26, 2018 at 2:43 pm
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what would you have done at that age? Neither of us went to school during a time when school shootings weren’t as frequent as they are today. these kids are tired of seeing more and more school shooting and not a damn thing being done about it.
I don’t have the solution as to what NEEDS to be done. I don’t want to eliminate the 2nd amendment, but also don’t see the need for ALL weapons to be available. If anything, more resources need to be put into funding mental healthcare and address the problem at the source.
March 26, 2018 at 3:01 pm
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correction: Neither of us went to school when school shootings WERE as frequent as they are today.
March 26, 2018 at 2:26 pm
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We can hope that these young kids will continue to protest, register to vote and then vote. Assault rifles do not need to be available to own. Make a law that makes them legal to shoot and be owned by licensed gun ranges. Then if you have a burning need to shoot one, you have a place and opportunity to do so. But we don’t need them on the streets.
FBI Statistics on gun deaths: average number of deaths per year from the use of a semi-automatic rifle: 18. Average number of deaths per year from use of a handgun: over 6,000.
Jack, are you still in high school?
March 26, 2018 at 2:58 pm
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Craig – are suicides included as a type of “death” in those numbers? Could you post a link to the source data you used to cite those numbers, please?
March 27, 2018 at 8:05 am
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Rosie; are you unable to use search engines to see that 18 is much smaller than anything but less than 5% of 6,000?
March 27, 2018 at 8:45 am
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Craig,
How many were killed in the high school shooting in Florida? How many were killed in Vegas? How many were killed in Orlando?
March 27, 2018 at 9:48 am
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PolarBear – Yes, I am aware how numbers can be bigger or smaller than other numbers. I wasn’t asking Craig to show his math on how he determined 18 < 6,000.
I was asking him to support the numbers he cited with a link to his source data so we could understand (a) where those numbers came from (b) what data was included (c) what may have been excluded (d) how terms were defined in the study, etc.
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Rosie; you’re right! Newsworthy issues drive voters to the polls who wouldn’t otherwise have voted. So, how many guns were sold, and new NRA memberships were subscribed, when Obama and Socialist, er, Communist Dems moved to take away the 2nd Amendment Rights of US citizens after a few mass shootings in schools gave them ‘crises that shouldn’t go to waste’?
Do you project a static voter base among the OLDER than 20-30 age groups who want to defend their 2nd Amendment Rights from Communist Dems and Socialist teacher-brainwashed youths aged 20-30? Will more teachers vote in the next election cycle? I think the participation rate among teachers is very high. Tell us what the percentages are by age group and teachers vs. non-teachers. You’ll be surprised what little room there is for increases in each age or demo group. Then tell us what you think will happen when the higher numbers of 2nd Amendment rights supporters relative to the 20-30 yo demo group are mobilized by the threat of Socialist / Communist Dems in 2018. Give us either numbers or percentages to show us how you expect the House or Senate to flip to the Socialist Dems.
Post the data you want to discuss, provide links to your sources so I can review the information you provide, and THEN we can intelligently discuss those topics. It’s not my job to do your homework for you.
March 26, 2018 at 12:41 pm
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Marching under protection of the first amendment to abrogate the 2nd. Thousands of kid were killed in DUI crashes were is the outrage. Thousands die of alcohol poisoning and yet I see no collective foot stomping and emotional vitriol towards Captain Morgan. This is ginned up partisan politics of the worse kind. The left loves to take away rights “for the children” except when it comes to those in the womb. Quite a bit of organization for a group of kids
Voltaire, do you mean in 1984 when congress passed the National Minimum Drinking Age Act, which required states to raise alcohol to 21?
Or are you talking about MADD being founded in the 1980’s which had a massive push to stop people from drinking and driving due to all the deaths that were happening from DUI crashes?
What point are you trying to make? We as a society already have so much warning against drinking and there has been much litigation to try and reduce the harm of drinking.
Nice whataboutism, Voltaire. What is the purpose of a gun? What is the purpose of a drink? The ONLY thing they actually have in common is they both can be shot. The intention of a gun is to kill. The intention of a drink is not. That’s the difference. Some of these kids literally witnessed their friends getting shredded. That horror is what has moved these students. It’s great to see the youth exercising their right to peacefully protest. They are all very well spoken, too. I’m encouraged about the future voters, sharp bunch!
Captain,
Although one of the uses of a gun can certainly be to kill if that is the only use than why do the vast majority of law enforcement officers carry a duty weapon when according to the facts only 27% of officers have ever fired their weapon in their entire career. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/08/a-closer-look-at-police-officers-who-have-fired-their-weapon-on-duty/
Extrapolate those numbers out to actual deaths and just looking at the subset of law enforcement why do they majority of officers carry a gun when the probability of ever using it is so small. I will tell you my opinion at least is they carry the gun as a tool that they hope to never need but yet have as a deterrent to a bad actor. Their is certainly a reason that there has never been a mass shooting at a gun range as even the deranged mass shooters still have some survival instinct.
I can also assure you that my guns have sent thousands of rounds down range but have never killed any living thing.
Captain I have now pointed out 2 very real uses of firearms that do not involve killing. Can you please provide stats and research to prove you inflammatory remark that ” The intention of a gun is to kill. The intention of a drink is not. That’s the difference. ”
Although I do not agree that the solution to the problem of mass shootings is tighter gun control I do concur that these shootings are a problem that needs immediate action.
The action is that government needs to do the job that we entrust them with. Two recent examples of the government failing to do it’s job would be the Parkland Shooting and the Texas Church Shooting. In both of these instances the law enforcement community knew of the potential but did not step up to protect the public.
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This march is nothing but AstroTurf funded by Soros and people such as Michael Bloomberg’s gunsense money sink. This movement is not afraid to put children on the front line no different than ISIS. Our human rights are not up for negotiation.
Hey Now! Way to be spew Alex Jones conspiracy rhetoric! Really nice thoughtful work. You should meet with the parents of the children who had their insides blown apart in FL and elsewhere and just talk. I am sure they would understand.
The Broward Coward is directly responsible for the number of deaths in that school. The security guy in Maryland took swift action and saved a lot of lives.
yeah man! the kid who shot the other kids wasn’t directly responsible! it’s the fault of the guy who was outside the school when the kid started killing other kids! (end sarcasm)
honestly – you want to argue that guy contributed to the loss of life? that’s fine. i agree.
but to say he’s DIRECTLY responsible means when he heard the first shot, he should have fired into a brick building to kill the shooter before he could even enter the building and assess the situation. dumb.
Actually, Ron, in MD he only had 1 target, his ex girlfriend. The bullet went through her head and struck another kid by accident. MD is completely different. The security guard also didn’t stop this kid, the kid killed himself. The security guard only hit him in the hand. Once again, we have some out here peddling misinformation in hopes of supporting their narrative.
March 26, 2018 at 1:41 pm
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for REAL???
Watch out for the chemtrails. Better adjust your tin-foil hat.
Except they are up for negotiation – i want the rite to live peacefully. Your rite to own a gun means nothing to me. Especially when I see the opposition includes people who think that peaceful protesting for a major political issue equates to the likes of ISIS.
It’s curious, but during the March for Life I didn’t see any beheadings? Very “Un-ISIS-Like”.
The protestors in DC said they had 850,000 show up to march. Drone counters said it was about 200,000 so they were off by 600,000. This is all about the anti- gun element funding it like the now infamous George Soros and Bloomberg. Perhaps the non NRA members should stop shooting people. Regular members don’t do this kind of thing.
yeah, instead of marching and trying to convince those lazy politicians to actually find an answer to the school shootings issue, they should all just learn CPR instead.
Nice of Trump to set such a great example by going to Mar-a-lago and golfing for the weekend (after repeatedly criticizing Obama for golfing, but nobody on the right remembers that). Here we actually thought he cared when he held that open forum listening to the victims. Again, he had a chance to actually show some leadership and he blew it once again, much like Charlottesville when he had a chance to condemn the neo-nazis but didn’t do it. What an embarrassment to this country..
Stop blindly supporting this man, making excuses for behavior you would’ve crucified a Democrat for, and open your eyes.
So tell me how to stop any of the school shootings that happened in the past 5 years.
Tell me the solution, the magic pill.
I see students marching for “Common Sense Gun Control”. What the hell do they want?
“Assault Weapons” Ban. Well, please define an assault weapon. Is that a Glock pistol with 17 rounds in the magazine? There are about 100 million of them in America.
Good luck stopping school shootings by banning guns.
So, tell me your solution. Other than Moral Preening.
how about increasing access to mental healthcare? Educating people about it? Helping to remove the stigma attached to it? Paying more attention to that loner kid who everybody picks on because he’s different? Having a zero tolerance policy on bullying? Mandatory nationwide background checks (including a mental health evaluation) for all firearms purchases? How about punishing those who push conspiracy theories challenging whether the Parkland, Sandy Hook, etc. were legitimate occurrences and not some left-wing conspiracy to take away guns?
It’s not a left vs right thing…Nobody ever asked any of those kids who they would have voted for before they were shot.
Now go ahead and denounce me as a leftist and make yourself feel better.
Increasing access to health care? Do you know anything about the school shooters at all? They were nearly ALL getting treatment. Aurora. Newtown. Nearly every shooting was in an affluent area where mental health treatment is readily available.
A Mental Health Evaluation? Please define your terms. Depression is epidemic. Does that rule out a gun purchase? And it is hard to define depression: some psychiatrists will see it in one person but not another. PTSD qualify?
Not so simple after all. (Not to mention the ACLU battles you will face when you try to violate the privacy of mentally ill people.)
March 28, 2018 at 7:53 am
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Craig, you’re right….It’s not simple. that being said, do you not agree that we have to do SOMETHING, or do we just keep the status quo?
I gave you my ideas, you unsurprisingly shot them down and probably decided I was a liberal in the process. What are your solutions? I’d honestly love to hear them since you have all the answers.
March 28, 2018 at 2:44 pm
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“Having a zero tolerance policy on bullying?”
This one comment shows you know nothing. That would be disastrous. Punitive measures do not work against psychopaths and in fact tend to trigger them in point one (so when you finally implement a no tolerance policy on a psychopath they will do a shooting when you expel them) and in point two: Those who are not psychopaths and are just damaged DO NOT benefit or get better from “zero tolerance” policies, which tend to turn into wars in the schools of who is bad and who is good, but they do tend to get better from assigned activities together, or progressive methods. Isolation or punishment does not work. Your zero tolerance policy would be a disaster.
” Mandatory nationwide background checks (including a mental health evaluation) ”
No. Since the democrats already tried to make certain aging attributes considered a reason to not own a gun, age attributes which have nothing to do with violence, and ergo, nothing to do with shootings. Also, the government has a history of denying rights based on made up mental issues, like the left tends to say, about gay folks. Giving them more ability to do that won’t end well. Perhaps if someone has a violent history, yes, trying to say someone is too crazy for a gun, no. That’s too far.
” How about punishing those who push conspiracy theories challenging whether the Parkland, Sandy Hook, etc. were legitimate occurrences and not some left-wing conspiracy to take away guns?
Are you out of your mind? NO! We don’t punish people for crazy theories, especially not by the government.
“Now go ahead and denounce me as a leftist and make yourself feel better.”
We need to denounce you as a leftist to give credibility where it is due, to the policies and those who support them which would harm the nation.
It’s not about feeling better.
March 28, 2018 at 2:45 pm
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Or in other words in my last point:
It’s about identifying and correcting and or preventing a problem.
Now go ahead and label the mentally unwell in order to take away their gun rights.
Only that’s not what you did, that’s my sarcasm and equivalent. You gave an idea though of what you thought would work and it had ramifications. and I said it is A: leftist. B: Not a good idea.
It’s not to feel better about anything. Discrediting your ideas should be expected, when they are absurd.
March 27, 2018 at 8:28 am
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The march was nothing but ignorant, naive, manipulated children.
They demand gun regulations, and infringing on everyones 2nd amendment rights, yet when their high school passes meaningful regulations requiring students to use clear backpacks, they say it is an infringement on their 1st amendment rights…
This is an insurance board, let’s look at real probability. A child in high school has a higher probability of dying playing football then from a school shooter. They are 10 times more likely to die riding their bike to school then in a school shooting. People under 21 are 25 times more likely to die from alcohol poisoning then from a school shooting. School shootings are not even in the top 100 causes of preventable young adult deaths.
Please provide your sources of those statistics.. I’m curious on the annual death count of high school football players & kids riding their bikes to school.
Yes, you are right. And so, we have sidewalks, bike lanes, helmets, rules of the road for biking and those driving alongside bikers. We have laws against underage purchasing and drinking. There are stiff fines for selling to a minor or bootlegging at parties. Minors who are caught also have stiff penalties, up to an including losing their license and again, stiff fines. Whataboutism need not apply here. It’s dumb. It’s okay to combat multiple issues simultaneously. I get it that Hannity has a difficult time handling more than 1 issue at a time, but most of us are quite capable. I can be against underage drinking, football safety, road safety, and school shootings. They are all dangers that need to be addressed. And, some of them already are being addressed while this one particular one keeps being ignored or dismissed.
Chicago Police Department Statistics: Murders in 2015: 480. Murders in 2016: 754.
None of them were high school kids. Most of them were black. Now how the hell did murders
go up by 57% in one year? It wasn’t because there were more guns.
(Don’t talk about this. Chicago has some of the toughest gun control laws in the US.
Plus, CNN doesn’t spend days on end covering the murders of black people . . .)
Hey! Maybe if we take away guns from innocent black people, the criminals who kill black people will stop killing them!
The only thing that will stop a shooter is another shooter. Period. Put more guards in high schools. If you don’t want to arm willing and well-trained teachers, fine.
Gun Control? Please. You could throw out the Second Amendment today and the impact wouldn’t be felt for a hundred years because Americans – unlike Australians – are NOT going to give up their guns.
Mental Health checks? I’m good with that, but are you willing to fight the ACLU? Because if not, forget it. They have been “protecting” the privacy and civil rights of the mentally ill for decades. Blaming the NRA is oh so Politically Correct. But the ACLU? Heaven forbid CNN talks about their role in this.
And keep in mind that many of the shooters were known to have mental problems (Aurora – kicked out of school. Newtown – Mom tried to have him forcibly placed in mental health treatment but liberal “compassion” laws prevent forced treatment today. Parkland: everybody knew this guy was dangerous and the authorities did nothing.) So if you are not willing to change the laws by facing down liberal apology-makers, forget it.
Thank you. That was a very fair statement, and I agree with most of it. I never said we should get rid of the second amendment, and agree that realistically and logistically it could never happen. I just want SOMETHING to be done.
I guess I’m frustrated that we’re now in a point in our society when we would even CONSIDER having to arm teachers or provide armed guards at schools. When you and I were kids (I suspect we’re roughly around the same age, give or take a few years), we didn’t worry about anything like that. My high school didn’t even have metal detectors.
I personally hate that EVERYTHING is a “left vs. right” issue today, when a lot of us are in the middle. I don’t know if it’s the 24-hour news cycle that’s to blame, but civility certainly seems to be dying, and I will admit to being guilty of it as well.
I now take this opportunity to apologize to you for my condescending tone. As I’ve said before, because we disagree on certain things does NOT make you my enemy.
Best of luck to you, sir. I hope you find the happiness in life we all seek.
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WHAT? Someone had my comment deleted where I commended sal on what he wrote, said I agreed with his left vs right comment and looked forward to debating him in the future? What was wrong with that post?!?!?!?!
March 28, 2018 at 11:17 am
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Sounds cool. Really condecending and lame.
Do you realize how close Mexico and the US are?
Do you give a crap about black people? Or only white kids from wealthy high schools.
Dead white kids in mass shootings per year: 17. Dead innocent black people in Chicago: hundreds.
Liberal Response: Gun Control! Let me know how you are going to round up guns in the hood.
The future looks bright!
2014 Election: Percentage of voters aged 20-30 who voted: 19%.
Engaged, involved, informed.
Or not . . .
The kids to which Planet is referencing are just now high school students – the majority of them clearly don’t fall in the 20-30 year old range as of 4 years ago…they were just in Junior High then.
Don’t hold your breath waiting for young people to get involved in a large way.
A few ego-driven kids telling themselves to feel good about slogans isn’t a movement. It’s an embarrassment. 90% of these kids have no idea how to stop any shootings, haven’t given it 30 seconds of serious thought.
It is all “going with the flow”. This isn’t rebellion, it’s conformity on a mass scale, doing what your teachers and the media cheerleaders tell you to do.
Sheep don’t have large brains.
There’s nothing of substance in your post to which I could intelligently reply, so I’ll just go with — you’re certainly entitled to your opinion, which I vehemently disagree with.
what would you have done at that age? Neither of us went to school during a time when school shootings weren’t as frequent as they are today. these kids are tired of seeing more and more school shooting and not a damn thing being done about it.
I don’t have the solution as to what NEEDS to be done. I don’t want to eliminate the 2nd amendment, but also don’t see the need for ALL weapons to be available. If anything, more resources need to be put into funding mental healthcare and address the problem at the source.
correction: Neither of us went to school when school shootings WERE as frequent as they are today.
We can hope that these young kids will continue to protest, register to vote and then vote. Assault rifles do not need to be available to own. Make a law that makes them legal to shoot and be owned by licensed gun ranges. Then if you have a burning need to shoot one, you have a place and opportunity to do so. But we don’t need them on the streets.
FBI Statistics on gun deaths: average number of deaths per year from the use of a semi-automatic rifle: 18. Average number of deaths per year from use of a handgun: over 6,000.
Jack, are you still in high school?
Craig – are suicides included as a type of “death” in those numbers? Could you post a link to the source data you used to cite those numbers, please?
Rosie; are you unable to use search engines to see that 18 is much smaller than anything but less than 5% of 6,000?
Craig,
How many were killed in the high school shooting in Florida? How many were killed in Vegas? How many were killed in Orlando?
PolarBear – Yes, I am aware how numbers can be bigger or smaller than other numbers. I wasn’t asking Craig to show his math on how he determined 18 < 6,000.
I was asking him to support the numbers he cited with a link to his source data so we could understand (a) where those numbers came from (b) what data was included (c) what may have been excluded (d) how terms were defined in the study, etc.
Rosie; you’re right! Newsworthy issues drive voters to the polls who wouldn’t otherwise have voted. So, how many guns were sold, and new NRA memberships were subscribed, when Obama and Socialist, er, Communist Dems moved to take away the 2nd Amendment Rights of US citizens after a few mass shootings in schools gave them ‘crises that shouldn’t go to waste’?
Do you project a static voter base among the OLDER than 20-30 age groups who want to defend their 2nd Amendment Rights from Communist Dems and Socialist teacher-brainwashed youths aged 20-30? Will more teachers vote in the next election cycle? I think the participation rate among teachers is very high. Tell us what the percentages are by age group and teachers vs. non-teachers. You’ll be surprised what little room there is for increases in each age or demo group. Then tell us what you think will happen when the higher numbers of 2nd Amendment rights supporters relative to the 20-30 yo demo group are mobilized by the threat of Socialist / Communist Dems in 2018. Give us either numbers or percentages to show us how you expect the House or Senate to flip to the Socialist Dems.
Post the data you want to discuss, provide links to your sources so I can review the information you provide, and THEN we can intelligently discuss those topics. It’s not my job to do your homework for you.
Marching under protection of the first amendment to abrogate the 2nd. Thousands of kid were killed in DUI crashes were is the outrage. Thousands die of alcohol poisoning and yet I see no collective foot stomping and emotional vitriol towards Captain Morgan. This is ginned up partisan politics of the worse kind. The left loves to take away rights “for the children” except when it comes to those in the womb. Quite a bit of organization for a group of kids
Voltaire, do you mean in 1984 when congress passed the National Minimum Drinking Age Act, which required states to raise alcohol to 21?
Or are you talking about MADD being founded in the 1980’s which had a massive push to stop people from drinking and driving due to all the deaths that were happening from DUI crashes?
What point are you trying to make? We as a society already have so much warning against drinking and there has been much litigation to try and reduce the harm of drinking.
Nice whataboutism, Voltaire. What is the purpose of a gun? What is the purpose of a drink? The ONLY thing they actually have in common is they both can be shot. The intention of a gun is to kill. The intention of a drink is not. That’s the difference. Some of these kids literally witnessed their friends getting shredded. That horror is what has moved these students. It’s great to see the youth exercising their right to peacefully protest. They are all very well spoken, too. I’m encouraged about the future voters, sharp bunch!
Captain,
Although one of the uses of a gun can certainly be to kill if that is the only use than why do the vast majority of law enforcement officers carry a duty weapon when according to the facts only 27% of officers have ever fired their weapon in their entire career. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/08/a-closer-look-at-police-officers-who-have-fired-their-weapon-on-duty/
Extrapolate those numbers out to actual deaths and just looking at the subset of law enforcement why do they majority of officers carry a gun when the probability of ever using it is so small. I will tell you my opinion at least is they carry the gun as a tool that they hope to never need but yet have as a deterrent to a bad actor. Their is certainly a reason that there has never been a mass shooting at a gun range as even the deranged mass shooters still have some survival instinct.
I can also assure you that my guns have sent thousands of rounds down range but have never killed any living thing.
Captain I have now pointed out 2 very real uses of firearms that do not involve killing. Can you please provide stats and research to prove you inflammatory remark that ” The intention of a gun is to kill. The intention of a drink is not. That’s the difference. ”
Although I do not agree that the solution to the problem of mass shootings is tighter gun control I do concur that these shootings are a problem that needs immediate action.
The action is that government needs to do the job that we entrust them with. Two recent examples of the government failing to do it’s job would be the Parkland Shooting and the Texas Church Shooting. In both of these instances the law enforcement community knew of the potential but did not step up to protect the public.
Time to ask my company to end the IJ subscriptions.
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Nice! Way to go Voltaire.
This march is nothing but AstroTurf funded by Soros and people such as Michael Bloomberg’s gunsense money sink. This movement is not afraid to put children on the front line no different than ISIS. Our human rights are not up for negotiation.
Hey Now! Way to be spew Alex Jones conspiracy rhetoric! Really nice thoughtful work. You should meet with the parents of the children who had their insides blown apart in FL and elsewhere and just talk. I am sure they would understand.
The Broward Coward is directly responsible for the number of deaths in that school. The security guy in Maryland took swift action and saved a lot of lives.
yeah man! the kid who shot the other kids wasn’t directly responsible! it’s the fault of the guy who was outside the school when the kid started killing other kids! (end sarcasm)
honestly – you want to argue that guy contributed to the loss of life? that’s fine. i agree.
but to say he’s DIRECTLY responsible means when he heard the first shot, he should have fired into a brick building to kill the shooter before he could even enter the building and assess the situation. dumb.
Agent,
You cannot compare the 2 incidents.
1. The assailant in MD only had a handgun
2. He only had 2 targets, not everyone
3. The resource officer in MD was SWAT trained.
Actually, Ron, in MD he only had 1 target, his ex girlfriend. The bullet went through her head and struck another kid by accident. MD is completely different. The security guard also didn’t stop this kid, the kid killed himself. The security guard only hit him in the hand. Once again, we have some out here peddling misinformation in hopes of supporting their narrative.
for REAL???
Watch out for the chemtrails. Better adjust your tin-foil hat.
Except they are up for negotiation – i want the rite to live peacefully. Your rite to own a gun means nothing to me. Especially when I see the opposition includes people who think that peaceful protesting for a major political issue equates to the likes of ISIS.
It’s curious, but during the March for Life I didn’t see any beheadings? Very “Un-ISIS-Like”.
DeReg–my comment was not aimed at you, it was for Mr. Dover.
Meanwhile other students marched in support of the 2nd amendment. Thanks for the balanced coverage.
The protestors in DC said they had 850,000 show up to march. Drone counters said it was about 200,000 so they were off by 600,000. This is all about the anti- gun element funding it like the now infamous George Soros and Bloomberg. Perhaps the non NRA members should stop shooting people. Regular members don’t do this kind of thing.
How flat is your globe?
Next month’s march: “Middle School Students March Against Things that are Bad”.
The month after that: “Third Graders March to Protest against People who Disagree”.
The month after that: “Kindergarten Students March Against Bad Cartoons”
yeah, instead of marching and trying to convince those lazy politicians to actually find an answer to the school shootings issue, they should all just learn CPR instead.
Nice of Trump to set such a great example by going to Mar-a-lago and golfing for the weekend (after repeatedly criticizing Obama for golfing, but nobody on the right remembers that). Here we actually thought he cared when he held that open forum listening to the victims. Again, he had a chance to actually show some leadership and he blew it once again, much like Charlottesville when he had a chance to condemn the neo-nazis but didn’t do it. What an embarrassment to this country..
Stop blindly supporting this man, making excuses for behavior you would’ve crucified a Democrat for, and open your eyes.
So tell me how to stop any of the school shootings that happened in the past 5 years.
Tell me the solution, the magic pill.
I see students marching for “Common Sense Gun Control”. What the hell do they want?
“Assault Weapons” Ban. Well, please define an assault weapon. Is that a Glock pistol with 17 rounds in the magazine? There are about 100 million of them in America.
Good luck stopping school shootings by banning guns.
So, tell me your solution. Other than Moral Preening.
how about increasing access to mental healthcare? Educating people about it? Helping to remove the stigma attached to it? Paying more attention to that loner kid who everybody picks on because he’s different? Having a zero tolerance policy on bullying? Mandatory nationwide background checks (including a mental health evaluation) for all firearms purchases? How about punishing those who push conspiracy theories challenging whether the Parkland, Sandy Hook, etc. were legitimate occurrences and not some left-wing conspiracy to take away guns?
It’s not a left vs right thing…Nobody ever asked any of those kids who they would have voted for before they were shot.
Now go ahead and denounce me as a leftist and make yourself feel better.
Increasing access to health care? Do you know anything about the school shooters at all? They were nearly ALL getting treatment. Aurora. Newtown. Nearly every shooting was in an affluent area where mental health treatment is readily available.
A Mental Health Evaluation? Please define your terms. Depression is epidemic. Does that rule out a gun purchase? And it is hard to define depression: some psychiatrists will see it in one person but not another. PTSD qualify?
Not so simple after all. (Not to mention the ACLU battles you will face when you try to violate the privacy of mentally ill people.)
Craig, you’re right….It’s not simple. that being said, do you not agree that we have to do SOMETHING, or do we just keep the status quo?
I gave you my ideas, you unsurprisingly shot them down and probably decided I was a liberal in the process. What are your solutions? I’d honestly love to hear them since you have all the answers.
“Having a zero tolerance policy on bullying?”
This one comment shows you know nothing. That would be disastrous. Punitive measures do not work against psychopaths and in fact tend to trigger them in point one (so when you finally implement a no tolerance policy on a psychopath they will do a shooting when you expel them) and in point two: Those who are not psychopaths and are just damaged DO NOT benefit or get better from “zero tolerance” policies, which tend to turn into wars in the schools of who is bad and who is good, but they do tend to get better from assigned activities together, or progressive methods. Isolation or punishment does not work. Your zero tolerance policy would be a disaster.
” Mandatory nationwide background checks (including a mental health evaluation) ”
No. Since the democrats already tried to make certain aging attributes considered a reason to not own a gun, age attributes which have nothing to do with violence, and ergo, nothing to do with shootings. Also, the government has a history of denying rights based on made up mental issues, like the left tends to say, about gay folks. Giving them more ability to do that won’t end well. Perhaps if someone has a violent history, yes, trying to say someone is too crazy for a gun, no. That’s too far.
” How about punishing those who push conspiracy theories challenging whether the Parkland, Sandy Hook, etc. were legitimate occurrences and not some left-wing conspiracy to take away guns?
Are you out of your mind? NO! We don’t punish people for crazy theories, especially not by the government.
“Now go ahead and denounce me as a leftist and make yourself feel better.”
We need to denounce you as a leftist to give credibility where it is due, to the policies and those who support them which would harm the nation.
It’s not about feeling better.
Or in other words in my last point:
It’s about identifying and correcting and or preventing a problem.
Now go ahead and label the mentally unwell in order to take away their gun rights.
Only that’s not what you did, that’s my sarcasm and equivalent. You gave an idea though of what you thought would work and it had ramifications. and I said it is A: leftist. B: Not a good idea.
It’s not to feel better about anything. Discrediting your ideas should be expected, when they are absurd.
The march was nothing but ignorant, naive, manipulated children.
They demand gun regulations, and infringing on everyones 2nd amendment rights, yet when their high school passes meaningful regulations requiring students to use clear backpacks, they say it is an infringement on their 1st amendment rights…
This is an insurance board, let’s look at real probability. A child in high school has a higher probability of dying playing football then from a school shooter. They are 10 times more likely to die riding their bike to school then in a school shooting. People under 21 are 25 times more likely to die from alcohol poisoning then from a school shooting. School shootings are not even in the top 100 causes of preventable young adult deaths.
Please provide your sources of those statistics.. I’m curious on the annual death count of high school football players & kids riding their bikes to school.
Yes, you are right. And so, we have sidewalks, bike lanes, helmets, rules of the road for biking and those driving alongside bikers. We have laws against underage purchasing and drinking. There are stiff fines for selling to a minor or bootlegging at parties. Minors who are caught also have stiff penalties, up to an including losing their license and again, stiff fines. Whataboutism need not apply here. It’s dumb. It’s okay to combat multiple issues simultaneously. I get it that Hannity has a difficult time handling more than 1 issue at a time, but most of us are quite capable. I can be against underage drinking, football safety, road safety, and school shootings. They are all dangers that need to be addressed. And, some of them already are being addressed while this one particular one keeps being ignored or dismissed.
Chicago Police Department Statistics: Murders in 2015: 480. Murders in 2016: 754.
None of them were high school kids. Most of them were black. Now how the hell did murders
go up by 57% in one year? It wasn’t because there were more guns.
(Don’t talk about this. Chicago has some of the toughest gun control laws in the US.
Plus, CNN doesn’t spend days on end covering the murders of black people . . .)
Hey! Maybe if we take away guns from innocent black people, the criminals who kill black people will stop killing them!
Do you realize how close WI and IN are to Chicago? That is where many of the guns used in Chicago are obtained.
shhhh…you’re going to ruin their narrative and talking points. Obama = from Chicago, Chicago = bad.
You want my answers:
The only thing that will stop a shooter is another shooter. Period. Put more guards in high schools. If you don’t want to arm willing and well-trained teachers, fine.
Gun Control? Please. You could throw out the Second Amendment today and the impact wouldn’t be felt for a hundred years because Americans – unlike Australians – are NOT going to give up their guns.
Mental Health checks? I’m good with that, but are you willing to fight the ACLU? Because if not, forget it. They have been “protecting” the privacy and civil rights of the mentally ill for decades. Blaming the NRA is oh so Politically Correct. But the ACLU? Heaven forbid CNN talks about their role in this.
And keep in mind that many of the shooters were known to have mental problems (Aurora – kicked out of school. Newtown – Mom tried to have him forcibly placed in mental health treatment but liberal “compassion” laws prevent forced treatment today. Parkland: everybody knew this guy was dangerous and the authorities did nothing.) So if you are not willing to change the laws by facing down liberal apology-makers, forget it.
Thank you. That was a very fair statement, and I agree with most of it. I never said we should get rid of the second amendment, and agree that realistically and logistically it could never happen. I just want SOMETHING to be done.
I guess I’m frustrated that we’re now in a point in our society when we would even CONSIDER having to arm teachers or provide armed guards at schools. When you and I were kids (I suspect we’re roughly around the same age, give or take a few years), we didn’t worry about anything like that. My high school didn’t even have metal detectors.
I personally hate that EVERYTHING is a “left vs. right” issue today, when a lot of us are in the middle. I don’t know if it’s the 24-hour news cycle that’s to blame, but civility certainly seems to be dying, and I will admit to being guilty of it as well.
I now take this opportunity to apologize to you for my condescending tone. As I’ve said before, because we disagree on certain things does NOT make you my enemy.
Best of luck to you, sir. I hope you find the happiness in life we all seek.
WHAT? Someone had my comment deleted where I commended sal on what he wrote, said I agreed with his left vs right comment and looked forward to debating him in the future? What was wrong with that post?!?!?!?!
Sounds cool. Really condecending and lame.
Do you realize how close Mexico and the US are?
Do you give a crap about black people? Or only white kids from wealthy high schools.
Dead white kids in mass shootings per year: 17. Dead innocent black people in Chicago: hundreds.
Liberal Response: Gun Control! Let me know how you are going to round up guns in the hood.
Craig–
I’ll ask again: What is YOUR solution?