Actually, today’s railroads are safer than they’ve ever been. They’re also much more cost efficient than constructing new pipelines.
For a good read, check out Stephen Ambrose’s book, “Nothing Like it in the World.” It’s all about the building of the transcontinental railroad in the mid-late 1800’s.
Are you saying/ implying you also have pipeline stats for the same time period and you compared the rates of accidents? If so, what measures of frequency of accidents did you use for two fairly different methods of transporting oil? Finally, what are the numbers, and how do you compare the distinct accident stats for the two means of conveyance?
Re-read what I posted, Yogi: I said nothing about whether railroads are safer than pipelines, just that railroads are safer today than they’ve ever been. This was in response to where Agent said “they derail a lot.” Of course, you didn’t hammer him asking for statistics on how often railroads derail vs how often pipelines leak or burst.
I guess if you really want the numbers bad enough, you can “goo-gul” it, right? Personally, I don’t care.
January 21, 2020 at 10:15 am
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“safer than they’ve ever been”. Perhaps.
Safer than pipeline transportation? That is the issue raised by the OP.
January 21, 2020 at 2:13 pm
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but where in the article does it compare pipeline safety vs transportation of LNG by train, or even reference it, for that matter? I’ve read it several times and still don’t see it, but will happily admit if I’ve been mistaken. What it says is that the railroads have been hurting since less coal is being used and transported, and that they are proposing to move more LNG via rail to help prop up the railroad industry. However, states are hesitant because not enough testing has been done on the safety of the rail car transportation. It doesn’t say anything about whether it’s safer than pipeline transportation.
I’ll make a deal with you: If you or Agent can point out where in the article this is mentioned, I’ll gladly admit my mistake. If you can’t, just admit that you misread the article. There’s no shame in it.
January 17, 2020 at 10:10 am
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Yeah, trains derail … and pipelines burst.
Now if only you did some research and provided links to show how many oil train derailments there were over ‘x’ years compared to the number of oil pipeline bursts that happened over the same timeframe, we’d actually be able to discuss your point rationally and intelligently as adults. Want to try going down that path?
It is NOT trolling to ask someone to provide data to support their argument.
As for a direct answer to your question: the person making the argument has the burden of proof to provide sufficient evidence to warrant their position.
The onus is on Agent to prove his argument that “Pipelines [are] much better than…trains” and not on me to provide evidence to refute his unsubstantiated claim.
Why don’t you post something relevant to the debate instead of personally attacking me?
Rosenblatt, my Mother-in-Law has to stay with us because she’s afraid to be alone at night (“I might have a panic attack” – not that she’s ever had one). Unfortunately she’s no help around the house (refuses to cook) and won’t leave the house for a short walk even though she’s more than capable to do all if she was willing. Her physical health is fine – mental health a different story. It’s like having another small child at home. So we’ve learned to live with it and don’t ask her to do anything or she’ll pout and get emotional. Asking Agent to prove his argument is very similar. Sorry I needed to vent and tell someone about my Mother-on-Law – my wife is tired of my whining.
my mother-in-law lived us on and off for 6 months. She’s gone on most of our family vacations, even the bank-breaker we took to Disney last year (newsflash: a trip to Disney is NOT a vacation). Please believe me when I say with all heartfelt sincerity that my thoughts and prayers are with you during this excruciatingly difficult time.
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Sorry to hear about your MIL, and I completely understand your point.
Pipelines much better than Uncle Warren’s trains. They derail a lot.
Actually, today’s railroads are safer than they’ve ever been. They’re also much more cost efficient than constructing new pipelines.
For a good read, check out Stephen Ambrose’s book, “Nothing Like it in the World.” It’s all about the building of the transcontinental railroad in the mid-late 1800’s.
Are you saying/ implying you also have pipeline stats for the same time period and you compared the rates of accidents? If so, what measures of frequency of accidents did you use for two fairly different methods of transporting oil? Finally, what are the numbers, and how do you compare the distinct accident stats for the two means of conveyance?
PS Hint: NG hasn’t been transported for as long as oil, on trains and in pipes.
Re-read what I posted, Yogi: I said nothing about whether railroads are safer than pipelines, just that railroads are safer today than they’ve ever been. This was in response to where Agent said “they derail a lot.” Of course, you didn’t hammer him asking for statistics on how often railroads derail vs how often pipelines leak or burst.
I guess if you really want the numbers bad enough, you can “goo-gul” it, right? Personally, I don’t care.
“safer than they’ve ever been”. Perhaps.
Safer than pipeline transportation? That is the issue raised by the OP.
but where in the article does it compare pipeline safety vs transportation of LNG by train, or even reference it, for that matter? I’ve read it several times and still don’t see it, but will happily admit if I’ve been mistaken. What it says is that the railroads have been hurting since less coal is being used and transported, and that they are proposing to move more LNG via rail to help prop up the railroad industry. However, states are hesitant because not enough testing has been done on the safety of the rail car transportation. It doesn’t say anything about whether it’s safer than pipeline transportation.
I’ll make a deal with you: If you or Agent can point out where in the article this is mentioned, I’ll gladly admit my mistake. If you can’t, just admit that you misread the article. There’s no shame in it.
Yeah, trains derail … and pipelines burst.
Now if only you did some research and provided links to show how many oil train derailments there were over ‘x’ years compared to the number of oil pipeline bursts that happened over the same timeframe, we’d actually be able to discuss your point rationally and intelligently as adults. Want to try going down that path?
Why don’t YOU post the numbers instead of suggesting people do so?
Because you’re a troll.
PS – it was less than 24 hours ago when you wrote:
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Notice which specific poster is responsible for nearly all personal attacks….
https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2020/01/16/555111.htm/?comments
and here you are calling me a troll when i did not personally attack anyone
pot meet kettle
It is NOT trolling to ask someone to provide data to support their argument.
As for a direct answer to your question: the person making the argument has the burden of proof to provide sufficient evidence to warrant their position.
The onus is on Agent to prove his argument that “Pipelines [are] much better than…trains” and not on me to provide evidence to refute his unsubstantiated claim.
Why don’t you post something relevant to the debate instead of personally attacking me?
Rosenblatt, my Mother-in-Law has to stay with us because she’s afraid to be alone at night (“I might have a panic attack” – not that she’s ever had one). Unfortunately she’s no help around the house (refuses to cook) and won’t leave the house for a short walk even though she’s more than capable to do all if she was willing. Her physical health is fine – mental health a different story. It’s like having another small child at home. So we’ve learned to live with it and don’t ask her to do anything or she’ll pout and get emotional. Asking Agent to prove his argument is very similar. Sorry I needed to vent and tell someone about my Mother-on-Law – my wife is tired of my whining.
SWFL–
my mother-in-law lived us on and off for 6 months. She’s gone on most of our family vacations, even the bank-breaker we took to Disney last year (newsflash: a trip to Disney is NOT a vacation). Please believe me when I say with all heartfelt sincerity that my thoughts and prayers are with you during this excruciatingly difficult time.
Sorry to hear about your MIL, and I completely understand your point.