I’ve given President Trump credit numerous times, such as his EO’s on drug prices, but Operation Warp Speed has nothing to do with these two vaccines YET.
Neither Pfizer nor Moderna took money from OWS to DEVELOP their drug and run TRIALS, which is where we’re at now. They ONLY get OSW funds if the FDA approves it and it’s time to manufacture and deliver them.
OSW has spent $0 to get these two vaccines to where they are now. I will commend Trump and OWS once they actually fund some step in the process.
You apparently don’t know the details of Op. Warp Speed.
It wasn’t the money that appealed to Big Pharma, it was the fast-tracking through the FDA approval process that caused Moderna and Pfizer and others to race for a vaccine, knowing that if they succeeded, approval wouldn’t be bogged down to the point that foreign pharma companies had a huge advantage.
But maybe you did know that and pretended you didn’t.
Under section 564 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FD&C Act), the FDA Commissioner may allow unapproved medical products or unapproved uses of approved medical products to be used in an emergency….
And so are you now lying about OWS, or do you really not know what is in it?
November 16, 2020 at 6:37 pm
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Operation Warp Speed (OWS)[1] is a public–private partnership, initiated by the U.S. government under the Trump administration, to facilitate and accelerate the development, manufacturing, and distribution of COVID-19 vaccines, therapeutics, and diagnostics. Operation Warp Speed was introduced in early April 2020,[2][3][4] after a round-table meeting with industry executives at the White House on March 2.[5] It will promote mass production of multiple vaccines based on preliminary evidence allowing for faster distribution if clinical trials confirm one of the vaccines is safe and effective. The plan anticipates that some of these vaccines will not prove safe or effective, making the program more costly than typical vaccine development, but potentially leading to the availability of a viable vaccine several months earlier than typical timelines.[6] U.S. Congress allocated on March 27 nearly $10 billion for Operation Warp Speed through the CARES Act (Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security) with $6.5 billion designated by Congress for countermeasure development through BARDA,[7] along with $3 billion for NIH research.[8]
Operation Warp Speed is an interagency program that includes components of the Department of Health and Human Services, including the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Food and Drug Administration, the National Institutes of Health, and the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority; the Department of Defense; private firms; and other federal agencies, including the Department of Agriculture, the Department of Energy, and the Department of Veterans Affairs.
November 16, 2020 at 7:50 pm
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Your quote is missing the part about how OWS “fast-tracks around the [FDA] approval process” (because it doesn’t actually do that). It’s just R&D, manufacturing and distribution assistance — and I’ll commend it when they do something as I think it’ll help.
I hope you’re learning more about OWS. I thought you were being sarcastic in your first post, but I guess not.
November 17, 2020 at 4:49 pm
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My “quote” is a direct copy and paste from Wikileaks.
What have you got besides lies and BS comments? Hell, even liberal media is reporting that the stream-lined FDA process is one of the primary reasons for the rapid development of these vaccines.
Man up. Stop lying. You should be embarrassed.
November 17, 2020 at 1:20 pm
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How will his followers reconcile this vaccine for a virus that does not exist?
I imagine there will be more hesitancy outside of the typical anti-vaxer. The reason for this is due to the lack of understanding about long-term side effects from a novel vaccination. Too many times in history did people rush out to take a vaccination that had not be thoroughly tested, just to end up with unexpected conditions such as sterility. There are those out there who do not need to be as concerned about long-term side effects, and I think they should be prioritized accordingly. The remainder of us can continue to wait and follow the guidelines as directed by the experts. We will soon have adults in leadership who will take this pandemic seriously. I imagine, if a majority of us can listen and follow expert advice, we’ll finally find some sense of normalcy by summer. But, if we get people who can’t just have their Baskin Robbins delivered and want to spit on healthcare workers again, we’ll be still dealing with this in a year from now.
rob,
Thank you! Yes, the girls are feeling much better. My middle girl and I are still under quarantine until the 27th. We are the only 2 who tested negative and not sure how in the heck I did. I had some bad days in there. Perhaps it was just a false negative, perhaps I only had the flu, not sure. I just listened to my body, tried to rest, and hydrate. I am also going to inquire about getting tested for antibodies once we are out of lockdown.
So you never had Covid 19 yourself, but thought you did, and now you think the tests were false negatives while you tell everyone to “trust the experts”.
Geez, Louise.
November 16, 2020 at 5:39 pm
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Doesn’t have it YET. He’s still in the incubation phase…
November 16, 2020 at 6:09 pm
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That’s not what he said. Is he your puppet?
November 17, 2020 at 7:48 am
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Please explain (rather than enter into a conversation that didn’t involve you) how you know he is in ‘incubation’.
What about ‘trust the experts/ science’ do you wish to ignore in this instance, but not otherwise…. for the purpose of trolling?
November 17, 2020 at 10:09 am
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Quarantine lasts 14 days and as of 11/16, he had 11 days left.
That means he’s been in quarantine for roughly 3 days as of Monday (which matches him telling us on Friday that members of his household tested positive for C-19).
The virus takes about 14 days to incubate and he’s only known his family tested positive 3-4 days ago.
Does the timeline make sense to you now?
November 17, 2020 at 11:02 am
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Rosenblatt,
People are questioning the reality that I am in quarantine and had 2 daughters, their mother, and her mom test positive? I also felt symptoms, though had tested negative at the time of my test. It is POSSIBLE I had a false negative. I am going back on Friday to get tested again. It is also POSSIBLE I had the flu. At any rate, I rested and hydrated my body because, COVID or not, I wanted to start feeling better so I can take care of those with me who don’t. I am out of quarantine on the 27th. Your timeframe is spot on.
November 17, 2020 at 12:09 pm
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Telling I’ve only seen myself, Jon and Interested wish your family well. Also telling that Polar showed no empathy and rather questioned your timeframe of events.
November 17, 2020 at 4:50 pm
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“Trust the Experts”. TOO funny.
November 18, 2020 at 10:34 am
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Rosenblatt,
I certainly appreciate those showing empathy, good to see that still exists given a model we’ve seen demonstrated from the top for the past 4 years. Those who want to question, so be it. I certainly pray they don’t have it enter their lives. Even if they only experience mild to moderate symptoms, even if they have young daughters, it’s still quite the impact and as a parent, you just want to take it away. Not to forget to mention the logistical nightmare it burdens one with. I am thankful I have wonderful neighbors who have helped us out. There was also a DQ manager who delivered a cake to our doorstep on my daughter’s 5th birthday during all this. She tested positive and all we could do is celebrate as much as we could here in our house. I’m hoping to be able to organize a surprise half birthday for her. Once we are out of quarantine, I am also going to help her write a thank you note so we can personally deliver it to that DQ manager. He went so above and beyond, made me tear up, actually.
November 16, 2020 at 1:39 pm
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It is estimated that 110 million Americans have contracted Covid 19 so far, meaning that for the vast majority of people, Covid 19 is NOT serious, even if it IS serious for some people.
We don’t need to vaccinate everyone, only those people who are at greatest risk.
I mean, if you follow “expert advice” now that we have “adults in leadership”.
Not for everyone Rosenblatt. In fact, for very few. TRY to be honest for once.
November 17, 2020 at 8:00 am
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How likely, and according to WHO?
Less than one year into this pandemic is not considered to be ‘long-term’. So, projections are involved. WHO did the projections, and why isn’t that being published along with the infection rate and mortality counts? don’t tell me to Goo-gul something you posted and I’ve only heard about via word-of-mouth. Shwo us your credible source.
November 17, 2020 at 8:09 am
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Do you know there are multiple, credible, impartial studies that show frequent, long-term use of marIJuana is known to drastically increase the chance of cognitive impairment? Note the use of ‘multiple, credible, impartial’ above.
Do you know there are multiple, credible, impartial studies that show long-term consumption of (red) meat is likely to result in arterial clogging and related heart damage?
Do you know there are multiple, credible, impartial studies that show long-term use of tobacco products are highly likely to result in pulmonary damage and cancers of soft tissue that is exposed to tobacco smoke or nicotien in saliva?
The above can be repeated as regards lead, mercury, asbestos, agent orange, …
November 17, 2020 at 10:13 am
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Polar ….
“Organ damage caused by COVID-19
Although COVID-19 is seen as a disease that primarily affects the lungs, it can damage many other organs as well. This organ damage may increase the risk of long-term health problems. Organs that may be affected by COVID-19 include:
Heart. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19 symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future.
Lungs. The type of pneumonia often associated with COVID-19 can cause long-standing damage to the tiny air sacs (alveoli) in the lungs. The resulting scar tissue can lead to long-term breathing problems.
Brain. Even in young people, COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome — a condition that causes temporary paralysis. COVID-19 may also increase the risk of developing Parkinson’s disease and Alzheimer’s disease.
Blood clots and blood vessel problems
COVID-19 can make blood cells more likely to clump up and form clots. While large clots can cause heart attacks and strokes, much of the heart damage caused by COVID-19 is believed to stem from very small clots that block tiny blood vessels (capillaries) in the heart muscle.
Other parts of the body affected by blood clots include the lungs, legs, liver and kidneys. COVID-19 can also weaken blood vessels and cause them to leak, which contributes to potentially long-lasting problems with the liver and kidneys.”
Yogi wrote, “Do you know there are multiple, credible, impartial studies that show frequent, long-term use of marIJuana is known to drastically increase the chance of cognitive impairment? Note the use of ‘multiple, credible, impartial’ above.
Do you know there are multiple, credible, impartial studies that show long-term consumption of (red) meat is likely to result in arterial clogging and related heart damage?
Do you know there are multiple, credible, impartial studies that show long-term use of tobacco products are highly likely to result in pulmonary damage and cancers of soft tissue that is exposed to tobacco smoke or nicotien in saliva?
The above can be repeated as regards lead, mercury, asbestos, agent orange, …”
Hey Yogi, are any of those things highly contagious?
November 16, 2020 at 2:53 pm
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“We don’t need to vaccinate everyone, only those people who are at greatest risk.”
Actually, that IS how they work when the virus is flu like for most people.
November 16, 2020 at 5:38 pm
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It doesn’t matter what the vaccine is for, you can’t achieve herd immunity if you only vaccinate the most vulnerable like you suggested
November 16, 2020 at 6:11 pm
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But if in fact many of the 110 million DO show immunity – which may be the case but we don’t know yet – then you only need to issue the vaccine to those most vulnerable.
Try to keep up with the experts on this issue. You do NOT need to vaccinate everyone in any case.
November 16, 2020 at 6:32 pm
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There are many reports of people getting reinfected after recovering and ZERO scientists have said immunity after recovery lasts a lifetime.
“You do NOT need to vaccinate everyone in any case.”
You DEFINITELY need to vaccinate MORE THAN just the vulnerable though, which is what you argued. You want to vaccinate 95% of the population? It’s not everybody, but okay. You just want to vaccinate the 35% of the population? That’s not going to cut it
November 16, 2020 at 6:34 pm
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Zero immunologists…
November 16, 2020 at 7:40 pm
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Please tell me again about Operation Warp Speed.
And then tell me why science develops over time on things like a new virus, and that what we knew in March is not what we know today. And why NO ONE EVER said a 95% vaccination rate would be needed.
I won’t wait up Mr. B.S. (Not ONE immunoligist . . .)
November 17, 2020 at 11:01 am
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“Depending how contagious an infection is, usually 50% to 90% of a population needs immunity to achieve herd immunity.”
You said we should ONLY vaccinate the most vulnerable.
I put that at 35%, which is well below the 50-90% threshold (note C-19 is highly contagious based on its R0 value, so we’d definitely need to vaccinate more than 50% of people)
Like I already told you…
You DEFINITELY need to vaccinate more than JUST the vulnerable (35%?) to achieve heard immunity like you posted, because that’s just not how vaccinations & heard immunity actually work.
November 17, 2020 at 2:41 pm
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CP…..I have been MIA for some time and just saw you and your family are battling COVID. Sorry to hear this and hope you all feel better soon with no long term issues.
Agreed, Bob. No vaccine for me until they make me take it or show me the side effects. It’s hard to have confidence in any pharmaceutical or those that are in bed with them, which is just about every politician.
We know the side-effects of COVID-19 include death, albeit at a VERY low rate per members of the population.
Do you believe or suspect that the currently developed, and shown to be >90%, >95% effective vaccines (Moderna, Phfizer) will be fatal? If so, explain why, and how you learned such.
If you care to deflect the risk of death rates of COVID-19 as being insignificant relative to the unknown risks of vaccines, please elaborate on the KNOWN death rates among the elderly and those with immuno-deficiencies, and contrast them with death rates for the remainder of the population. Then, use that in relation to ‘unknown’, fictionalized vaccine side-effects, and the projected death rates therefrom.
Only a small percentage of people die from C19 – I agree – but the REAL side effects of C-19 are MORE than just deaths as listed in my above quote from the Mayo Clinic.
The virus affects the heart, brain and lungs in patients who recover, and recovered patients are getting re-infected after recovering.
You do care about people getting those problems from C-19 even though they don’t add to the death rate, right?
80%+ of the US deaths have been older seniors, the grossly & morbidly obese, people with recurring heart problems and people who have genetic diseases. The chief word for all is underlying conditions and those can be found in people of all ages. Yes, young people die but there are underlying reasons such as athletes who might be fit but who after the virus find out that they had heart, lung or other problems that never rose to the surface previously. Diet plays a huge role in who is more susceptible. Blacks complain that they get the virus more than other races but there is a reason because of diet and genetic conditions are a few. The entire virus hysteria is treated by the media as a death scorecard. When you get beyond the hysteria & the media hype the real problem areas are a bit clear. Those people who of advanced age and those with very severe underlying conditions should receive the vaccine first.
I wonder how many hypocrites who criticized, for political purposes, the vaccines that have been developed will be first in line to get them once they are available, despite not being one of the high-risks? Andrew Cuomo; will you get vaccinated in the privacy of your office when no one is watching? Gov. Murphy? Gov. Newsom? Gov. Witmer? Rep. Pelosi? Sen. Schumer? Illegitimate POTUS-Elect Biden?
Illegitimate? You really are QYogi, aren’t you? Face it, Tramp lost, bigly. He’s a loser. And, I imagine Joe would take a Fauci-approved vaccination because he is in the susceptible demographic. No one was denying a vaccination for political purposes. They were denying a vaccination because the liar, who was telling them it would miraculously disappear and try bleach, was telling people he would have one several weeks ago. I wouldn’t trust that man on anything and that’s before he stepped into the political scene. He’s a known liar and grifter.
Trump said we would have a vaccine by year’s end. People who knew nothing mocked him.
Time to give Trump credit, Rosenblatt? (please explain Operation Warp Speed.)
I’ve given President Trump credit numerous times, such as his EO’s on drug prices, but Operation Warp Speed has nothing to do with these two vaccines YET.
Neither Pfizer nor Moderna took money from OWS to DEVELOP their drug and run TRIALS, which is where we’re at now. They ONLY get OSW funds if the FDA approves it and it’s time to manufacture and deliver them.
OSW has spent $0 to get these two vaccines to where they are now. I will commend Trump and OWS once they actually fund some step in the process.
You apparently don’t know the details of Op. Warp Speed.
It wasn’t the money that appealed to Big Pharma, it was the fast-tracking through the FDA approval process that caused Moderna and Pfizer and others to race for a vaccine, knowing that if they succeeded, approval wouldn’t be bogged down to the point that foreign pharma companies had a huge advantage.
But maybe you did know that and pretended you didn’t.
The FDA has always been able to authorize Emergency Use Authorizations. That has nothing to do with OWS
Under section 564 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FD&C Act), the FDA Commissioner may allow unapproved medical products or unapproved uses of approved medical products to be used in an emergency….
And so are you now lying about OWS, or do you really not know what is in it?
Operation Warp Speed (OWS)[1] is a public–private partnership, initiated by the U.S. government under the Trump administration, to facilitate and accelerate the development, manufacturing, and distribution of COVID-19 vaccines, therapeutics, and diagnostics. Operation Warp Speed was introduced in early April 2020,[2][3][4] after a round-table meeting with industry executives at the White House on March 2.[5] It will promote mass production of multiple vaccines based on preliminary evidence allowing for faster distribution if clinical trials confirm one of the vaccines is safe and effective. The plan anticipates that some of these vaccines will not prove safe or effective, making the program more costly than typical vaccine development, but potentially leading to the availability of a viable vaccine several months earlier than typical timelines.[6] U.S. Congress allocated on March 27 nearly $10 billion for Operation Warp Speed through the CARES Act (Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security) with $6.5 billion designated by Congress for countermeasure development through BARDA,[7] along with $3 billion for NIH research.[8]
Operation Warp Speed is an interagency program that includes components of the Department of Health and Human Services, including the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Food and Drug Administration, the National Institutes of Health, and the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority; the Department of Defense; private firms; and other federal agencies, including the Department of Agriculture, the Department of Energy, and the Department of Veterans Affairs.
Your quote is missing the part about how OWS “fast-tracks around the [FDA] approval process” (because it doesn’t actually do that). It’s just R&D, manufacturing and distribution assistance — and I’ll commend it when they do something as I think it’ll help.
I hope you’re learning more about OWS. I thought you were being sarcastic in your first post, but I guess not.
My “quote” is a direct copy and paste from Wikileaks.
What have you got besides lies and BS comments? Hell, even liberal media is reporting that the stream-lined FDA process is one of the primary reasons for the rapid development of these vaccines.
Man up. Stop lying. You should be embarrassed.
How will his followers reconcile this vaccine for a virus that does not exist?
I wonder what the societal ramifications will be when healthy people refuse to take the vaccine?
I imagine there will be more hesitancy outside of the typical anti-vaxer. The reason for this is due to the lack of understanding about long-term side effects from a novel vaccination. Too many times in history did people rush out to take a vaccination that had not be thoroughly tested, just to end up with unexpected conditions such as sterility. There are those out there who do not need to be as concerned about long-term side effects, and I think they should be prioritized accordingly. The remainder of us can continue to wait and follow the guidelines as directed by the experts. We will soon have adults in leadership who will take this pandemic seriously. I imagine, if a majority of us can listen and follow expert advice, we’ll finally find some sense of normalcy by summer. But, if we get people who can’t just have their Baskin Robbins delivered and want to spit on healthcare workers again, we’ll be still dealing with this in a year from now.
Hope the family is on the mend, Cap!
rob,
Thank you! Yes, the girls are feeling much better. My middle girl and I are still under quarantine until the 27th. We are the only 2 who tested negative and not sure how in the heck I did. I had some bad days in there. Perhaps it was just a false negative, perhaps I only had the flu, not sure. I just listened to my body, tried to rest, and hydrate. I am also going to inquire about getting tested for antibodies once we are out of lockdown.
So you never had Covid 19 yourself, but thought you did, and now you think the tests were false negatives while you tell everyone to “trust the experts”.
Geez, Louise.
Doesn’t have it YET. He’s still in the incubation phase…
That’s not what he said. Is he your puppet?
Please explain (rather than enter into a conversation that didn’t involve you) how you know he is in ‘incubation’.
What about ‘trust the experts/ science’ do you wish to ignore in this instance, but not otherwise…. for the purpose of trolling?
Quarantine lasts 14 days and as of 11/16, he had 11 days left.
That means he’s been in quarantine for roughly 3 days as of Monday (which matches him telling us on Friday that members of his household tested positive for C-19).
The virus takes about 14 days to incubate and he’s only known his family tested positive 3-4 days ago.
Does the timeline make sense to you now?
Rosenblatt,
People are questioning the reality that I am in quarantine and had 2 daughters, their mother, and her mom test positive? I also felt symptoms, though had tested negative at the time of my test. It is POSSIBLE I had a false negative. I am going back on Friday to get tested again. It is also POSSIBLE I had the flu. At any rate, I rested and hydrated my body because, COVID or not, I wanted to start feeling better so I can take care of those with me who don’t. I am out of quarantine on the 27th. Your timeframe is spot on.
Telling I’ve only seen myself, Jon and Interested wish your family well. Also telling that Polar showed no empathy and rather questioned your timeframe of events.
“Trust the Experts”. TOO funny.
Rosenblatt,
I certainly appreciate those showing empathy, good to see that still exists given a model we’ve seen demonstrated from the top for the past 4 years. Those who want to question, so be it. I certainly pray they don’t have it enter their lives. Even if they only experience mild to moderate symptoms, even if they have young daughters, it’s still quite the impact and as a parent, you just want to take it away. Not to forget to mention the logistical nightmare it burdens one with. I am thankful I have wonderful neighbors who have helped us out. There was also a DQ manager who delivered a cake to our doorstep on my daughter’s 5th birthday during all this. She tested positive and all we could do is celebrate as much as we could here in our house. I’m hoping to be able to organize a surprise half birthday for her. Once we are out of quarantine, I am also going to help her write a thank you note so we can personally deliver it to that DQ manager. He went so above and beyond, made me tear up, actually.
It is estimated that 110 million Americans have contracted Covid 19 so far, meaning that for the vast majority of people, Covid 19 is NOT serious, even if it IS serious for some people.
We don’t need to vaccinate everyone, only those people who are at greatest risk.
I mean, if you follow “expert advice” now that we have “adults in leadership”.
Do you know C-19 has been likely shown to result in long-term and persistent heart and brain defects in those who recover?
Do you think having heart and brain issues for the rest of your life is serious?
I mean, it’s not like it’d be brain surgery. Oh. Wait. Scratch that.
Not for everyone Rosenblatt. In fact, for very few. TRY to be honest for once.
How likely, and according to WHO?
Less than one year into this pandemic is not considered to be ‘long-term’. So, projections are involved. WHO did the projections, and why isn’t that being published along with the infection rate and mortality counts? don’t tell me to Goo-gul something you posted and I’ve only heard about via word-of-mouth. Shwo us your credible source.
Do you know there are multiple, credible, impartial studies that show frequent, long-term use of marIJuana is known to drastically increase the chance of cognitive impairment? Note the use of ‘multiple, credible, impartial’ above.
Do you know there are multiple, credible, impartial studies that show long-term consumption of (red) meat is likely to result in arterial clogging and related heart damage?
Do you know there are multiple, credible, impartial studies that show long-term use of tobacco products are highly likely to result in pulmonary damage and cancers of soft tissue that is exposed to tobacco smoke or nicotien in saliva?
The above can be repeated as regards lead, mercury, asbestos, agent orange, …
Polar ….
“Organ damage caused by COVID-19
Although COVID-19 is seen as a disease that primarily affects the lungs, it can damage many other organs as well. This organ damage may increase the risk of long-term health problems. Organs that may be affected by COVID-19 include:
Heart. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19 symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future.
Lungs. The type of pneumonia often associated with COVID-19 can cause long-standing damage to the tiny air sacs (alveoli) in the lungs. The resulting scar tissue can lead to long-term breathing problems.
Brain. Even in young people, COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome — a condition that causes temporary paralysis. COVID-19 may also increase the risk of developing Parkinson’s disease and Alzheimer’s disease.
Blood clots and blood vessel problems
COVID-19 can make blood cells more likely to clump up and form clots. While large clots can cause heart attacks and strokes, much of the heart damage caused by COVID-19 is believed to stem from very small clots that block tiny blood vessels (capillaries) in the heart muscle.
Other parts of the body affected by blood clots include the lungs, legs, liver and kidneys. COVID-19 can also weaken blood vessels and cause them to leak, which contributes to potentially long-lasting problems with the liver and kidneys.”
http s://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351
Yogi wrote, “Do you know there are multiple, credible, impartial studies that show frequent, long-term use of marIJuana is known to drastically increase the chance of cognitive impairment? Note the use of ‘multiple, credible, impartial’ above.
Do you know there are multiple, credible, impartial studies that show long-term consumption of (red) meat is likely to result in arterial clogging and related heart damage?
Do you know there are multiple, credible, impartial studies that show long-term use of tobacco products are highly likely to result in pulmonary damage and cancers of soft tissue that is exposed to tobacco smoke or nicotien in saliva?
The above can be repeated as regards lead, mercury, asbestos, agent orange, …”
Hey Yogi, are any of those things highly contagious?
“We don’t need to vaccinate everyone, only those people who are at greatest risk.”
That’s not how vaccines work.
Actually, that IS how they work when the virus is flu like for most people.
It doesn’t matter what the vaccine is for, you can’t achieve herd immunity if you only vaccinate the most vulnerable like you suggested
But if in fact many of the 110 million DO show immunity – which may be the case but we don’t know yet – then you only need to issue the vaccine to those most vulnerable.
Try to keep up with the experts on this issue. You do NOT need to vaccinate everyone in any case.
There are many reports of people getting reinfected after recovering and ZERO scientists have said immunity after recovery lasts a lifetime.
“You do NOT need to vaccinate everyone in any case.”
You DEFINITELY need to vaccinate MORE THAN just the vulnerable though, which is what you argued. You want to vaccinate 95% of the population? It’s not everybody, but okay. You just want to vaccinate the 35% of the population? That’s not going to cut it
Zero immunologists…
Please tell me again about Operation Warp Speed.
And then tell me why science develops over time on things like a new virus, and that what we knew in March is not what we know today. And why NO ONE EVER said a 95% vaccination rate would be needed.
I won’t wait up Mr. B.S. (Not ONE immunoligist . . .)
“Depending how contagious an infection is, usually 50% to 90% of a population needs immunity to achieve herd immunity.”
http s://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/achieving-herd-immunity-with-covid19.html
You said we should ONLY vaccinate the most vulnerable.
I put that at 35%, which is well below the 50-90% threshold (note C-19 is highly contagious based on its R0 value, so we’d definitely need to vaccinate more than 50% of people)
Like I already told you…
You DEFINITELY need to vaccinate more than JUST the vulnerable (35%?) to achieve heard immunity like you posted, because that’s just not how vaccinations & heard immunity actually work.
CP…..I have been MIA for some time and just saw you and your family are battling COVID. Sorry to hear this and hope you all feel better soon with no long term issues.
+1 for sincere empathy and caring for your fellow humans!
Thank you SAK74. Everyone right now seems to be improving and doing well. I hope it remains that way.
Happy to hear that and hope everybody fully recovers!
What is not being presented are the vaccine “side effects”. No one should take the vaccine until the side effects are known.
Agreed, Bob. No vaccine for me until they make me take it or show me the side effects. It’s hard to have confidence in any pharmaceutical or those that are in bed with them, which is just about every politician.
We know the side-effects of COVID-19 include death, albeit at a VERY low rate per members of the population.
Do you believe or suspect that the currently developed, and shown to be >90%, >95% effective vaccines (Moderna, Phfizer) will be fatal? If so, explain why, and how you learned such.
If you care to deflect the risk of death rates of COVID-19 as being insignificant relative to the unknown risks of vaccines, please elaborate on the KNOWN death rates among the elderly and those with immuno-deficiencies, and contrast them with death rates for the remainder of the population. Then, use that in relation to ‘unknown’, fictionalized vaccine side-effects, and the projected death rates therefrom.
Only a small percentage of people die from C19 – I agree – but the REAL side effects of C-19 are MORE than just deaths as listed in my above quote from the Mayo Clinic.
The virus affects the heart, brain and lungs in patients who recover, and recovered patients are getting re-infected after recovering.
You do care about people getting those problems from C-19 even though they don’t add to the death rate, right?
80%+ of the US deaths have been older seniors, the grossly & morbidly obese, people with recurring heart problems and people who have genetic diseases. The chief word for all is underlying conditions and those can be found in people of all ages. Yes, young people die but there are underlying reasons such as athletes who might be fit but who after the virus find out that they had heart, lung or other problems that never rose to the surface previously. Diet plays a huge role in who is more susceptible. Blacks complain that they get the virus more than other races but there is a reason because of diet and genetic conditions are a few. The entire virus hysteria is treated by the media as a death scorecard. When you get beyond the hysteria & the media hype the real problem areas are a bit clear. Those people who of advanced age and those with very severe underlying conditions should receive the vaccine first.
I wonder how many hypocrites who criticized, for political purposes, the vaccines that have been developed will be first in line to get them once they are available, despite not being one of the high-risks? Andrew Cuomo; will you get vaccinated in the privacy of your office when no one is watching? Gov. Murphy? Gov. Newsom? Gov. Witmer? Rep. Pelosi? Sen. Schumer? Illegitimate POTUS-Elect Biden?
Illegitimate? You really are QYogi, aren’t you? Face it, Tramp lost, bigly. He’s a loser. And, I imagine Joe would take a Fauci-approved vaccination because he is in the susceptible demographic. No one was denying a vaccination for political purposes. They were denying a vaccination because the liar, who was telling them it would miraculously disappear and try bleach, was telling people he would have one several weeks ago. I wouldn’t trust that man on anything and that’s before he stepped into the political scene. He’s a known liar and grifter.