U.S. Report: Climate Change Here, Deal With It

By Don Jergler | May 6, 2014

  • May 7, 2014 at 1:33 pm
    insurance is fun! says:
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    OK you science denying wackos. Here’s your opportunity…….

  • May 7, 2014 at 2:07 pm
    Adirondacker says:
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    After suffering through one of the coldest and LONGEST winters in decades, a little warming will be a welcome relief.

  • May 7, 2014 at 7:26 pm
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    Earth’s climate has always been dynamic only someone who ignores scientific facts could think it should be static.

    As far as forecasting into the future, I wish the weather guy on TV could get tomorrow right.

    • May 8, 2014 at 12:35 pm
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      Exactly, thank you Wayne. The climate has been changing since the beginning of time.

  • May 8, 2014 at 9:18 am
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    • May 8, 2014 at 12:10 pm
      Destro says:
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      Never in what, the past 150 years? You realize there was an extended winter that lasted years during the 15th century and caused the largest European river to freeze over, right? The arrogance of your statement “never have the dynamics been drastically changing so rapidly” is astounding.

      Funny how Al Gore and his climate cronies are now multi-millionaires or billionaires after drumming up this climate debate.
      Funny how they create hundreds of thousands of lbs of carbon emissions flying all around the world.

    • May 12, 2014 at 2:59 pm
      LiveFree says:
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      “our climate is dynamic but never have the dyanamics been drastically changing so rapidly.”

      I find the irony humorous that a poster named Captain Planet makes such a profoundly incorrect statement about the planet.

  • May 8, 2014 at 10:29 am
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    Instead of everyone fighting over “who caused this”, maybe we should be fighting over “How can we fix this?” If 6 billion+ people on the planet suddenly “went green”, would we able to reverse the trend, or at least slow it down? I don’t know, which I guess explains why I’m in insurance.

    Republican or Democrat, all I know this is the only planet we have.

    • May 8, 2014 at 10:47 am
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      The fight over “who caused this” is tantamount to the question “how can we fix it”? If you fail to accept there is anything wrong with the current climate change and it is absolutely normal, then as far as you’re concerned there is nothing to be done about it.

      • May 8, 2014 at 10:57 am
        Destro says:
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        The “climate change” computer models are being shown to be wrong. Time to regroup and rebrand this yet again in order to brainwash the next generation into believing that the sky is falling.

        • May 8, 2014 at 1:26 pm
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          • May 8, 2014 at 2:55 pm
            Destro says:
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            The projections showed a runaway greenhouse effect, the current data shows that to not be the case.

            It’s all a vast right wing conspiracy by Big Oil mannnnn, and the Koch brothers duuuuuude! Harry Reid told me so!!!

            Lol, get a haircut hippy.

          • May 8, 2014 at 4:18 pm
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            No source. No credibility.

          • May 12, 2014 at 9:18 am
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            Destro – thank you for the source. I read the entire article and do not agree it supports your statement, “The “climate change” computer models are being shown to be wrong.”

            What it says is there is no clear consensus amongst scientists about the cause/effect of climate change. None dispute climate change, but most are not sure whether it is being caused by man or nature or a combination of both. They also doubt the severity of the impact of climate change.

            I did not see any mention of computer models or that the scientific community disputed there was indeed climate change.

            As I mentioned before, I am not sure myself what is causing climate change or whether we need to be alarmed by it’s effects as I am not a scientist. But I do agree the climate is changing.

            So please don’t jump on me as some “liberal, left-wing, conspirator trying to brainwash the next generation.”

          • May 12, 2014 at 9:57 am
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            “They also doubt the severity of the impact of climate change.”

            Essentially my point.

            “But I do agree the climate is changing.”

            Well Yeah, it’s been changing for 4.5 billion years.

          • May 12, 2014 at 10:51 am
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            Yes, it has been changing since the beginning of time. But the change APPEARS to be more rapid right now. Again, I’m not a scientist so I don’t know that for sure. Nor do I know what is causing it.

        • May 9, 2014 at 5:33 pm
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          Exactly Destro, but the chicken littles of this world will never own up to the fact that the data is wrong and can be manipulated to “justify” their means. Al Gore made MILLIONS on this faux science. Disgusting.

          • May 12, 2014 at 9:19 am
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      • May 8, 2014 at 11:31 am
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        The sky isn’t falling and I am not saying that at all. The climate is changing at a rapid rate. Whether it’s a normal weather pattern or not, I can’t say as I am not an expert.

        The fact that you thumbed me down 4 times because I only pointed out that some people think man has nothing to do with it only shows your bias towards me and nothing about your knowledge of the actual issue at hand.

        Grow up.

        • May 8, 2014 at 12:11 pm
          Destro says:
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          I thumbed you down once…

    • May 8, 2014 at 11:00 am
      Destro says:
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      if 6+ billion people in the world suddenly “went green” then there would be mass starvation, global economies would collapse, civil unrest on a global scale would occur, crime would skyrocket to unprecedented levels. The climate has been “changing” since the beginning of time. It’s absurdly arrogant to assume that based on the past 40 years of measurements that the sky is falling.

      • May 8, 2014 at 1:28 pm
        Captain Planet says:
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        Carbon dating goes back much futher than 40 years. Find some education and you’ll be surprised what climatologists ACTUALLY report. The planet is a living thing, too. Time we at least decrease the amount of poison we dump upon it. Don’t have to be politically affiliated one way or another to recognize that simple fact.

        • May 8, 2014 at 1:51 pm
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          EXCELLENT point!

          I often wonder if the shoe was on the other foot, ie if Rush Limbaugh was the one ranting about the impending climate change instead of Al Gore, would the Dems be up in arms?

        • May 8, 2014 at 3:17 pm
          Destro says:
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          Ok, say we DO go ahead and go completely green. How do you suggest we convince China, Russia, India, and however many other countries to ruin their economies further in order to go green?

    • May 8, 2014 at 3:38 pm
      Destro says:
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      The only planet we have…for now. Once we harness interstellar space travel technology we will go inhabit other planets that reside in the “goldie locks zone” and ruin those environments!

      • May 8, 2014 at 4:59 pm
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        The Star Wars generation at work!

  • May 8, 2014 at 10:55 am
    Destro says:
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    Yes, climate change exists. Spoiler alert: the climate has been changing for the past 4.5 BILLION years!

    I trust the current administrations agenda just as much as I trust North Korea to give their citizens factual information.

    • May 8, 2014 at 11:33 am
      Libby says:
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      This issue has nothing to do with any administration’s agenda. That is just a Republican myth perpetuated by mockingbirds such as yourself. It’s science, not politics. Good God! Conspiracy theories abound for you folks!

      • May 8, 2014 at 12:34 pm
        Destro says:
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        it’s not a conspiracy theory that liberals have been shown to be so passionate about this particular issue that numbers have been tampered with and/or exaggerated to return a certain result. It’s also science that is showing that the global warming models are being shown to be wrong.

        • May 8, 2014 at 1:38 pm
          Libby says:
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          Again, provide a source or just shut it.

          • May 8, 2014 at 3:00 pm
            Destro says:
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            Vee vill not allow any uzzah voices to dissent! Ze Xyience ees settled!!! NO MORE DISCUSSION!

            Heil Libby, heil climate change!

          • May 8, 2014 at 4:58 pm
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            So I ask for a source and you call me a Nazi. What is that, Cap? Godwin’s theory at work?

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          • May 11, 2014 at 8:08 am
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            I never called her a Nazi, you just assumed that and injected that in. So therefor I win the argument.

          • May 12, 2014 at 9:21 am
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          • May 12, 2014 at 10:52 am
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            Really Destro? Spamming me? Congratulations on figuring out how to do it, but it’s really immature.

    • May 8, 2014 at 6:23 pm
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      Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that climate change doesn’t exist, or it isn’t our fault. Does that suddenly make pollution ok? I don’t think so. The whole debate seems like mis-direction from the fact that pollution is bad, regardless. Pollution is bad, m’kay.

  • May 8, 2014 at 12:53 pm
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    Is it really science — or just God’s will – ???

    • May 8, 2014 at 1:37 pm
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      Hmmm, let me think…oh, yeah, science. But, the 2 do coexist.

    • May 11, 2014 at 2:23 pm
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      I’m pretty sure the rise in Liberalist ideology is what’s causing God to get pissed. =P

      • May 12, 2014 at 9:21 am
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        God is a democrat.

        • May 12, 2014 at 3:04 pm
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          God is most definetley a libertarian. Free will…?

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            definitely*

            My kingdom for an edit button!!

        • May 14, 2014 at 3:49 pm
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          I could most definitely list for days all the reason this is inaccurate.

          Let’s first start that God did not make it a law to be charitable (taxes) and the bible specifically discounts that any giving that is forced (taxes) are not forms of giving. Yet we are called to be charitable. The government taxing system gets in the way of both free will in giving by ability (less money to give) and violation of will. Democrats go after republican wealth. The bible teaches that no man receives wealth lest god gave it to him. Even bad kings. The bible praises being poor, the democrats lament in the challenge of being poor.

          The bible is sternly against abortion.

          You can try to make the argument of the poor being helped by the democrats (which is not true as is) but even if it were, almost 60 million children have been aborted since 1973. That is almost one third of the entire U.S. population. At most our poverty level on an average basis is 15%.

          http://www.lifenews.com/2014/01/12/56662169-abortions-in-america-since-roe-vs-wade-in-1973/

          God says a person living in poverty is worth more than a rich man, yet democrats put the life of poverty and or challenge as a reason to abort a human being, which was created by god, and by extension go against god’s will for that child to be born, objecting god’s will in place of their own.

          Republicans are more charitable in both time and money than democrats.

          http://www.ethicsdaily.com/republican-states-give-more-to-charity-than-democratic-states-cms-19923

          Note also this shows religion is the factor, so it would be good to stop insulting religion. So if we are going by the amount of charitable nature, again, god wouldn’t be a democrat.

          Libby, I think starting with religion, is better than starting with the government.

          I would encourage you to look into the people who made the bible and what they thought. The ones who came directly after Jesus. They have writings that are not in the bible. They have continued since then.

          http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12272b.htm

          You by default have to believe that if any of the bible is true, these guys are the ones who passed it on. You can’t pick and choose on the bible. And these guys, google each one. You will find that they definitively argued and spoke about the message they received. Note how many catholic popes were killed until Constantine in around 400 A.D. These men who were killed all the time weren’t just dying for no reason. See pope clement. Had an anchor tied to his neck and was tossed to the bottom of the ocean. These things were documented. Some say that Rome made Catholicism. Some try to dismiss sections of the bible because they don’t know what I put above. Some do it in the name of government (hint hint, you) while they don’t believe at all in their god.

          Religion first. Then government.

          By the by:

          The government does all that they can to impede religion.

          Are you aware that a church cannot even say which candidates are following their religion?

          So you can live a life of religion.

          You just can’t lead your followers and even tell them if they are following it.

          Have you ever wondered, or thought, about why?

          Obviously this is intentional to disjoint the people, and force the government in place.

          Which party is forcing this?

          Do republicans do anti religious battles?

          Do they make a fight of birth control, and use that to complain about the affects of religion?

          How dare you say what religion God would be, with all that you assault anyone who talks about his word (abortions etc).

          • May 14, 2014 at 6:39 pm
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            which *party god would be.

            Also, he/she/it God would not be libertarian.

            Libertarians tend to be against certain aspects of religion as well.

          • May 15, 2014 at 2:13 pm
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            Another correction:

            It’s actually currently 24% of the population is being aborted in the U.S. not one third.

            And near to 60 million is not one third of the population.

            24% is based on some of the lower recent years.

            I’m balancing and writing about far too many numbers.

            The point still stands that the government in democrats tries to put god on a side burner, and to worry about welfare. It is exactly the problem. These days someone says “I pay my taxes and vote democrat”

            It is not even close to an act of virtue to vote democrat (mostly other people’s money being given) in order to be charitable.

            This is part of the reason that republicans give more:

            They fundamentally believe in personal giving over governmental giving.

            This also forces responsibility. If you have to receive charity, from a charitable person, you are accountable and would listen to them as a friend.

            If you get it from a government, you aren’t. You keep getting it no obligation, no responsibility, and the relationship would be strictly your benefit and non-personal. And we wonder why society is just these bunch of hermits taking only for themselves? If I fill out a form for assistance, I’m not going to take it nearly as seriously as going to my local church and asking the members for help. Knowing each of them are sacrificing for me no less. It’s the perfect family.

  • May 8, 2014 at 1:48 pm
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    The argument over causation or impact is irrelevant. Assuming that mankind’s influence is both significant and reversible, any impact generated by extreme efforts in N. America and Europe will be heavily offset by negative impact from Asian countries.

    Without China and India on-board, the only significant impact that can result is the devastation of the economy in the West.

    • May 8, 2014 at 2:29 pm
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      The U.S. can’t even get on the same page about climate change, let alone influence the world.

      • May 8, 2014 at 3:01 pm
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        Exactly, and that’s the point. The only impact is that liberals will stuff their pockets through legislation while ruining our economy.

        • May 8, 2014 at 3:24 pm
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          Destro — seems fair, doesn’t it? After all the GOP ruins the environment without legislation while lining their own pockets. La di dah de dah….

          • May 8, 2014 at 3:30 pm
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            I assume “La di dah de dah” is the tune continually running through your head while drinking the Liberal Kool-Aid.

          • May 8, 2014 at 3:36 pm
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            How do you suggest we stop China and India from ruining their environment?

      • May 8, 2014 at 4:01 pm
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        FYI Libby I actually thumbs up’d this post of yours.

        • May 8, 2014 at 4:21 pm
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          I am a reasonable person, Destro. You should take some time to find out.

          • May 8, 2014 at 4:53 pm
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            Hahaha, I don’t know if I’d go thaaaat far. ;-)

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  • May 8, 2014 at 3:08 pm
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    My moto as a pilot has always been that it is always better to err on the side of caution rather than to deny, become complacent or just completly disregard any issue.

    Anyone want to go flying???

    • May 8, 2014 at 4:28 pm
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      I prefer the lyrics from Tool’s song “Anema”

      “…learn to swim”

  • May 8, 2014 at 5:14 pm
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    When even a country like China is beginning to acknowledge the human factors contributing to Climate Change, you begin to wonder if most in America are really living in denial? Or maybe it’s the Koch Bros.’s $$ drowning out the message with noise.

    • May 11, 2014 at 8:11 am
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      Lol, come on Harry Reid. Not everything that doesn’t swing left can be attributable to the Koch brothers.

    • May 11, 2014 at 3:15 pm
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      And as far as $$ controlling politics, if you have seen the contribution comparison in federal elections they almost always skew towards democrats as far as the major campaign contributors( (i.e. banks, insurance companies, etc). But sure, stick to the whole “Republicans are stealing elections” schtick.

      • May 12, 2014 at 9:34 am
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        The top 10 donors from 1989 to 2004 have a combined total contribution of almost $283M.

        The projected budget for Americans for Prosperity would be unprecedented for a private political group in a midterm, and would likely rival even the spending of the Republican and Democratic parties’ congressional campaign arms.

        It is easy to see whom Republican candidates are going to be loyal to, when the Kochs are outspending the Republican Party.

  • May 9, 2014 at 2:09 pm
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    If this is scientific, would they not be able to figure things out? Like maybe how to control the weather??? Stop the warming? Reverse the trend?

    Science can only track mother nature. She will do what ever she wants when ever she wants for what ever reason she wants and no human can stop her. If you cant acknowledge that, then you are more arrogant then politicians from IL.

  • May 12, 2014 at 11:41 am
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      First of all, I am not arguing for or against an extreme result from the climate change that, we all agree, is occuring. But this article really doesn’t support the following assertions”

      1. There is no global warming
      2. If ther is global warming, it is not caused by man
      3. Any result of global warming will or will not be catastrophic

      It merely discusses the Himalayan glaciers.

      I know I will get thumbed down, but really, if you’re going to cite a source make sure it is pertinent to the subject at hand.

  • May 12, 2014 at 11:47 am
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    I just heard on the news today that the WH has installed solar panels that will generate enough electricity to run – wait for it – 6 light bulbs. I did not hear of the cost to the tax payers on what the installation cost was I bet it was a doozy.

  • May 12, 2014 at 1:54 pm
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    http://www.ClimateDepot.com

    So, what ended the last Ice Age?

  • May 12, 2014 at 3:14 pm
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    Since when did climate change believers decide to steal a play out of the bible book thumpers playbook? “if you can’t prove it doesn’t exist then it must exist!”

    Somewhat ironic considering most don’t fall into both categories.

    • May 12, 2014 at 4:42 pm
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      Are you disputing the climate is changing, LiveFree?

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      No not at all. I should have been clearer in that post that I am referring to the effect of humans on climate not that it is changing at all.

      I have done my research and I am slightly torn on the subject. I would call myself a skeptic though, as I tend to believe that the changes we experience are almost completely natural. So will it be a problem? Maybe, in the very distant future. So the idea that making vast sweeping legislation right now is the solution is ludicrous to me. That will only hurt the economy and the poor. Also if and when this does become a problem I am sure the people of that time will find it amusing and cute that we tried to solve this problem with our inferior technology and data.

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        Or they may wish that we had done more while we could…

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          I very much doubt that considering the mildness of the warming we have actually experiences since the 80′s when Dr. James Hansen started the this with his predictions. To even say it’s own the low end of his predications is slightly incorrect as it is even slightly under that.

          But even if you are right that we should do something now a better solution than cutting emission because of a over exaggerated greenhouse gas effect (not to mention the destruction and death it would cause) would be ego-engineering. But that is not a big government or central power plan so statist aren’t interested in that. Which really shows the true motivations behind this.

          • May 13, 2014 at 10:43 am
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            I type fast and don’t check my writing so sorry for the mistakes once again. An edit button please IJ, this is 2014!

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            I know I need some ego-engineering!! LOL! It sometimes takes on a life of it’s own.

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            I meant *geo-engineering.

            Although I do like the sound of ego-engineering as well! haha

  • May 12, 2014 at 4:29 pm
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    “The new solar array, not seen since the Jimmy Carter Administration, and later, George W. Bush (who used it to power a maintenance building and heat some pool water), will be able to power 22 100-watt bulbs for 20 hours (unless it rains, snows, or is a cloudy day), far less than his two predecessors.” Again, I would LOVE to know what this cost the taxpayers be it 6 or 20 bulbs.

    • May 12, 2014 at 4:41 pm
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      Nice to admit you were wrong about the 6 lightbulbs.

      And the article says they aren’t releasing costs for security purposes. Did Dubya release the cost of his solar panels?

      • May 12, 2014 at 4:43 pm
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        Before you thumb me down, it is a sincere question. I don’t know the answer.

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        Either way, I can all but guarantee each light bulb probably has a “cost” of $6,000. like the $10,000 screwdrivers and $115,000 toilet seat during Clinton. This is what happens when you expand and centralize a government though. Basically just bad or unaccountable accounting so people can embezzle money.

  • May 13, 2014 at 2:21 pm
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    Yes, I did have the bulb count wrong and this might come as a total shock but I don’t always thumb down your remarks. There have been a few times, and I do mean far and few between, but there have been times when I actually have agreed with you on a few of your posts. Yes, security purposes. I wonder if the Obama’s have a friend who works for the solar panel company as they did with the Healthcare.gov website. It would not surprise me in the least.



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