Insurer’s Climate Change Class Actions: More to Come?

By Mica Rosenberg | May 19, 2014
(AP Photo/The Telegraph, John Badman)

  • May 19, 2014 at 9:20 am
    BobSmith223 says:
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    Please! Please! Please stop the “Climate Change” madness! The Earth’s climate has been changing throughout its history! There is almost no data to support the fraudulent theory that man’s activities are causing global warming, which then causes climate change! Do something useful with all the time and money being wasted in pursuit of this fraud!

    • May 19, 2014 at 3:13 pm
      Libby says:
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      BobSmith223 – Yes, our climate has been changing throughout it’s history, but never so rapidly.

      http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

      I don’t know if the cause is man-made or contributed to by man, but the fact that it’s accelerated can not be ignored. This is not normal climate change as compared to historical data.

      • May 19, 2014 at 5:12 pm
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        10-50 years is WAYYYYY to short of a time frame. Geological time scales are in the thousands when analyzing geological changes and if you took a geology class, you would understand that the earth has experienced numerous climate changes in its past.

        • May 21, 2014 at 12:34 pm
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          My sister has a masters in geology, pal. And the chart shows that at no time in the last 400,000 YEARS has the spike been so high. Deny it all you want. Ignorance is bliss.

        • May 21, 2014 at 1:53 pm
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          Did you even look at the graph, EmpoftheEarth?

          • May 23, 2014 at 10:55 am
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            Yes I did look at the graph. I did some digging and the CO2 levels were an estimate.

          • May 23, 2014 at 11:50 am
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            Then explain why at no time in the last 400,000 years has the spike been so high. That indicates RAPID climate change. Like we’ve never experienced before. Your own evidence doesn’t support your position.

    • May 19, 2014 at 3:50 pm
      JR Insurance Guy says:
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      BobSmith223, Lets propose that I’ll run an insurance company whose premium adjusts it’s based on the risk severe climate change and you run another company based on pre-katrina rates and risk management techniques. We’ll see which one stays solvent longer.

      Whether you want to believe it or not, the economic damage is real. The reality is that the climate is changing and it’s changing for the worse. Building codes and city planning needs to change in accordance with this reality.

    • May 19, 2014 at 6:40 pm
      ComradeAnon says:
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      Please, don’t listen to science. Ignore your doctor. Just because 99% of peer reviewed research says it’s happening, what do they know. Let’s listen to fox and cheney!

      • May 20, 2014 at 9:40 am
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        See! You don’t even need Obamacare! Just find a few leeches to bleed yourself with or a good alchemist to cook up a nice spell for you. After all, science is a bunch of hooey, right?

        • May 22, 2014 at 9:11 am
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          Alchemists don’t cook spells. Spells aren’t cooked in general, they are cast. The difference between Obamacare and the leeches is that the leeches can actually be effective.

          • May 22, 2014 at 9:22 am
            KY jw says:
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            Not in my SF/UF books! Many of the spells have to be cooked and steeped and whatever. In fact, Dresden has to drink the spells he creates. Mmmm hmmmm. Don’t know your urban fantasy / magic realm very well, do ya Destro?

          • May 22, 2014 at 10:10 am
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            Oh, snap!

  • May 19, 2014 at 1:29 pm
    John Kinn says:
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    The Wisconson Glacier covered part of what today is America and tremendous climate warming about 10,000 years ago melted it. The land bridge from Asia (which archaeologists believe was the migration route for populating North and South America)was covered by higher water levels as a result of melting glaciers. This as been happening throughout the history of our planet.

    • May 20, 2014 at 1:36 pm
      Captain Planet says:
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      You’ve made climatologists’ point, John Kinn – more glaciers melt and what other lands and lives do we lose? Would you pour poison down your throat? Why are in agreement with throwing it down Earth’s throat? Earth is a living thing, too. It will be around a lot longer than us, sustaining other life. Be a good steward of our planet. We don’t know any others like it.

  • May 19, 2014 at 1:52 pm
    bob says:
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    why does Farmers Ins have a dog in this fight? their HO policies exclude flood/surface water claims. where is their exposure?

    hey, BobSMith223: where does in mention in this article that man’s activities are causing this? it doesn’t. the argument as to whether the change is man caused or not isn’t relevant. you already agreed climate change is occurring.

  • May 19, 2014 at 2:09 pm
    jsam says:
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    The 125,000+ member strong American Association for the Advancement of Science knows it’s happening. http://whatweknow.aaas.org/

    Suing ignorance is law at its finest. Denial has a price.

    • May 20, 2014 at 9:50 am
      EmpoftheEarth says:
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      First it was global warming…climate change…now you’re goign to say that the “seasons” are not following a 3 month schedule. Btw, that organization you cite…sponsored by the EPA and Greenpeace, not known as being impartial in their judgements.

    • May 20, 2014 at 12:44 pm
      Thomas Hart says:
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      Wow, lots of people trying still trying to suppress the global warming debate. I agree with you and figure out how to profit from peoples ignorance. So I will agree with the people who tell me the world is flat, as long as they give me all their money :~}

    • May 22, 2014 at 9:46 am
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      Suing doesn’t go far enough, clearly we should burn these heathens at the stake! How dare they question Lord Gore!?!

  • May 19, 2014 at 2:23 pm
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    Hey Farmers. Since your advertisements focus on your University of Insurance, why not attend your entry level class called Insurance 101.

    You might be able to learn the principles of risk selection, and since you have identifed 200 communities who don’t meet your expectations on stormwater control, you could hire employees called underwriters, buy them maps and tell them not to write business in these cities.

    Problem solved. Right!

    • May 21, 2014 at 1:57 pm
      KY jw says:
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      Redlining? Now, surely insurers don’t do that!

  • May 19, 2014 at 4:07 pm
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    Just checking, I don’t insure with Farmers so I don’t have to change insurers yet.

  • May 20, 2014 at 10:00 am
    kath says:
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    GEO ENGENIERED THAT WEATHER. HEY LAW FIRM. PEOPLE IN USA TAKE PICTURES OF THE PLANES AND WEATHER MAPS of the GVT SPRAYING AND SEEDING CLOUDS..APRIL 2013 wa a vey bust month for the CHEMTRAIL GEO ENGENNEERING WEATHER PEOPLE…. I SAY WE SHOULD SUE YOU…THIS VERY IDEA…

    • May 23, 2014 at 12:47 pm
      insurance is fun! says:
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      Dear Kath:

      Huh?

  • May 21, 2014 at 11:30 am
    Always Amazed says:
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    Not so.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mike-ciandella/2014/01/23/misleading-97-percent-scientists-claim-resurfaces-ny-times

    It only took one scientist to say that saturated fat was bad for us and the supermarkets were flooded (no pun intended) with fake butter that is horrible for us. And it only took some false data out of England on Global Warming, which has been proved if was false, to have this whole thing spin out of control. I live in Chicago – when I was a kid in the 60s we have thunder storms all summer. The Earth is cycling end of story. Stop with your Chicken Little “the sky is falling” BS.

    • May 21, 2014 at 11:44 am
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      Thank you Amazed…I remember that entity in England as falsifying data and being caught. I do remember them as being a basis for all “global warming” claims.

    • May 21, 2014 at 12:36 pm
      Libby says:
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      The sky is not falling but the climate is changing at a rate more rapid than at any other time in history. Deny it all you want. It won’t affect you or me, but it will your children’s children’s children.

  • May 21, 2014 at 11:32 am
    Always Amazed says:
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  • May 21, 2014 at 12:06 pm
    Always Amazed says:
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    You’re welcome. Exactly EmpoftheEarth. How soon they all forget that the data was manipulated and the emails that falsified Global Warming were exposed to be a hoax. Al Gore made millions on falsified science and won a Nobel Prize but then Obama got a Nobel Peace prize too had how many innocent people has he killed with his drone attacks? That proves the point that anyone these days can get a Nobel Prize even with the science being fake and as for the Nobel Peace Prize Obama, well that’s just a mystery.

    • May 21, 2014 at 12:38 pm
      Libby says:
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      Bush killed thousands with “falsified science” too.

  • May 21, 2014 at 12:44 pm
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    Gee, Where is his Nobel Peace Prize?

    • May 21, 2014 at 1:27 pm
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      If there was one for killing the most innocent people, he’d be right up there with Hitler.

      • May 23, 2014 at 10:58 am
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        Libby…sigh…If you want to look at a monster, Joseph Stalin killed close to 20 million of his own people. I dont believe George Bush had pogroms in place targeting certain ethnic/religious minorities in the USA. Last I checked, the US was a republic, not an authoritarian state. Or are you going to tell me that George Bush caused 9/11 as well? That George Bush was responsible for the mess in the Ukraine? Heck, he was instrumental in the military coup in Thailand! George Bush! George Bush! You sound like Jan Brady with her “Marsha, Marsha, Marsha… Bush, Bush, Bush!

        • May 23, 2014 at 11:53 am
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          Don’t try to make me look ridiculous. Of course he didn’t cause 9/11, although he had advanced warning of it in 8/11. And he has nothing to do with Ukraine or Thailand.

          But he did knowingly present false information to Congress and the American people in order to force his own agenda of invading Iraq. And tens of thousands of brave Americans died because of it.

  • May 21, 2014 at 1:40 pm
    Always Amzed says:
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    And so is Obama – don’t kid yourself Libby. Obama has killed thousand of innocent people too. The media just protects the first mixed race president but they are starting to turn on him. I think maybe the VA scandal has tipped the scales. The man should be impeached for all the crap he’s pulled off in the last 7 years but Karma is a bitch and someday God willing he’ll get his.

    • May 21, 2014 at 4:06 pm
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      OMG. Every single issue is the scale-tipper with you folks. It’s not like the condition of VA hospitals just happened in 2008. And don’t you think Obama has been a little busy with everything else on his plate? Not to mention the constant obstruction and obstacle course he has to master from the Republicans. There is no way you would expect this much from a right-wing president.

      And get over the impeachment crap. He hasn’t done anything to be impeached for. Otherwise, almost every president in history would have been impeached for crying out loud.

      • May 22, 2014 at 10:05 am
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        Although the exiting Bush administration warned Obama about the problems facing the VA post-2008. The fact that Obama has said in every conference about some scandal that he “just found out about it on the news like everyone else,” is shameful. It either makes him a liar or an empty suit surrounding himself with malicious incompetency.

        Richard Nixon has got to be asking himself, “What the f***?!” in response to the cornucopia of corruption that is allowed to run rampant in today’s culture. We’re entertaining ourselves to death.

        • May 22, 2014 at 4:44 pm
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          Well, oBama is a liar. “you can keep what you got”. He repeated that several times for the cameras.

  • May 21, 2014 at 1:50 pm
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    If this gets poste twice it was not my intent –

    And so has Obama, Libby. The mainstream media just doesn’t want to tarnish his already tarnished presidency . But maybe the scales are staring to tip in the other direction. Some reporters are actually, seemingly anyway, getting tired of all the around they’ve been getting from Carney. I think the latest scandal at the VA hospital had finally shown us that the only thing Obama is good at is fund raising. So those community organizer skills have paid off. Being head of all the major departments like the IRS, NSA, VA Hospitals he is very much lacking. Mad as hell my a$$. He knew nothing about any of these until he heard it on the new. He has to be the most uninformed president in history. He should be impeached for all the crap he’s done and not done. Bush warned him back in 2008 about the VA hospitals. Period.

    • May 21, 2014 at 4:13 pm
      Libby says:
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      So Bush knew about the VA hospital issue? And just what did HE do about it???

      And talk about uninformed! At least he wasn’t born with a silver spoon in his mouth and knows how much groceries cost and what it takes to raise a family in today’s economy. More than I can say for your guys, Bush and Romney.

      • May 22, 2014 at 10:25 am
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        The VA hospital issue wasn’t an issue during the Bush presidency but I’ll tell you what Bush DID do. He visited vets at VA hospitals all the time during his presidency. When Obama got elected, Bush and his administration pointed out particularly that the issues facing the VA in the years following the Bush presidency would become greater and pointed out problem areas to focus on. That information was essentially ignored.

        Are you honestly saying Obama wasn’t born with a silver spoon in his mouth?! You realize his grandfather was a multi-millionaire and that Obama studied at some of the most prestigious schools in the world throughout his entire life. I have not heard a more deluded statement in a long time.

        • May 22, 2014 at 10:51 am
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          You’re delusional. Obama’s grandfather worked in a furniture store. He was not a multi-millionaire.

          And Obama is a millionaire because of royalties from his books. He was not born with a silver spoon and worked for the money he has.

          Get your facts straight kid.

      • May 22, 2014 at 4:45 pm
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        he left office….

        • May 23, 2014 at 9:06 am
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          Just because he left office doesn’t absolve him from the mess he left behind for others to clean up. You can’t blame Obama for Bush’s F-ups.

  • May 21, 2014 at 4:33 pm
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    Oh really? Did you know that Obama’s mother was a president at a bank? Get your facts straight Libby. Obama didn’t grow up in poverty. He grew up quite nicely and went to some very nice schools in Hawaii with his rich little friends living in paradise. He didn’t grow up on the Southside of Chicago and knows nothing about poverty. Obama is a millionaire and was raised as such. What part of that don’t you get? He hadn’t worked a day in his life before he ran for office. You are so delusional.

    BTW we’re getting off the subject – There is no such thing as Global Warming, Climate Change and what ever the last adjective you liberals have come up to describe a falsified phenomena also know as the weather. There aren’t 97% of scientists who believe this crap either.

    • May 22, 2014 at 9:13 am
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      Always Amazed wrote – “Climate Change and what ever the last adjective you liberals have come up to describe a falsified phenomena also know as the weather.”

      Like many conservatives, I see AA is confusing weather with climate. Even the worst meteorologist can explain the distinction. Who here would like to tell the class the difference between the two? It’s quite clear the Drudge and Fox News education is lacking when it comes to science courses.

      Also – President Obama worked in a gift shop in Hawaii. That’s just one of the jobs he has worked. Nice Hannity talking point, though. His mother was the VP of a bank and you’ll have to correct me with a source if I’m wrong, but I believe she took that role in the early 90′s. No wonder they say Fox News viewers are the most uninformed.

      • May 22, 2014 at 11:56 am
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        It is a fact that he went to a very expensive private school. Obama’s mother’s dad was extremely wealthy.

        • May 22, 2014 at 12:57 pm
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          We got into a private grade school in fifth grade on a scholarship. His mother was not extremely wealthy.

          Please provide a CREDIBLE source for your statements.

  • May 21, 2014 at 4:44 pm
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    • May 22, 2014 at 9:14 am
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      A teaparty site is the source about President Obama- WOW! Did you paste that with a straight face?

      • May 22, 2014 at 12:09 pm
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        Not A Tea party site, THE site. As in, not a conservative blog or news site. Did you want him to site something from NBC/MSNBC that’s critical in any way of the president? (hint: They are owned by the administration.)

        • May 22, 2014 at 12:36 pm
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          Conspiracy theory anyone? Time to take off the tin foil hat.

  • May 22, 2014 at 10:36 am
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    Yes, Captain, I did. The truth always hurts. Obama wasn’t a poor mixed race kid growing up in poverty on the Southside of Chicago as Libby would have all us believe. He had a silver spoon in is mouth, went to Ivy League schools and had a quite comfortable life. And he and Michelle are worth millions. Here is a guy who no one actually knew that came to my home town of Chicago as a community organizer then ran for Senator and oddly enough got elected and held that jog for a very short time – and then ran for president and by hoodwinking the liberal masses with his wonderful talent of speaking so eloquently, got elected although the man had no experience for the job and as a result of his Chicago Thug politics of believe he can do whatever he wants to do has gotten his butt in a stir with all the “phony” scandals that are apart of his administration. If you were one of the lucky ones who had the pleasure of being audited by the IRS not once but several times, I’m sure you wouldn’t be so smug Captain.

    • May 22, 2014 at 10:57 am
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      Obama’s grandfather worked in a furniture store. He was not a multi-millionaire. Obama is a millionaire because of royalties from his books. He was not born with a silver spoon and worked for the money he has.

      Prestigious colleges? If you want to call Occidental College prestigious, then yes. And he attended Harvard in large part because of grants and scholarships.

      You don’t know what you’re talking about. But then again, you still think he’s not a U.S. citizen, is Muslim, and part of Hamas. Keep reading teaparty. org, AA.

  • May 22, 2014 at 12:13 pm
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    Please! Catastrophic loss due to climate change is a fact!

    It’s amazing that one of the largest insurance orgs (Munich Re) would want to go into court and act like naive fools who need the city fathers of small town municipalities to help them underwrite risk.

    The ineptitude of political subdivisions is part of the risk analysis. For years the insurance industry has accepted business based on town class rather than sue to have every city provide stellar protection.

    • May 22, 2014 at 1:48 pm
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      Thank god that we never had catastrophic weather before Al Gore came along.

  • May 22, 2014 at 12:18 pm
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    I never said that I don’t believe he isn’t a US citizen. I do think that he worked the system and got into the schools he did by applying as a foreign student – otherwise why would all his college records be locked up so very tightly? What does he have to hide? He even mentioned that he was a mediocre student. If that is true by his own admission, then how, pray tell, would one with poor grades get scholarships and grants? His mom came from a wealthy family and have a very nice home in Hawaii and she was a president at a bank. So, please keep your sob story of how his grandfather was a cow herder in Kenya or a furniture store worker or whatever. Obama spent most of his time in college smoking dope and hanging out with communists and there are plenty of pictures of him on the net to prove those points. Now if this were a conservative president you liberals would be in an uproar. So, please keep your double standard to yourself, Libby. And you can keep getting your news from the now falling in rates CNN or MSMBC who all are bed with Obama. The truth hurts; doesn’t it?

    • May 22, 2014 at 12:55 pm
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      OMG. The ignorance!

      First of all, it was no sob story. His GRANDFATHER did work in a furniture store.

      Second – his mother was a VP in a bank and if you know anything about banking, who isn’t?

      Third – he got into his private grade school on a scholarship in the fifth grade after attending a local school.

      Fourth – so what he smoked dope in college? Who didn’t?

      Fifth – Bush never released his college transcripts, either. They were leaked to the press. And we can see why. With his grades, he definitely bought his way into Yale.

      Sixth – when you say his mother came from a wealthy family, define wealthy. They lived for a long time in an apartment in Honolulu. Is that considered wealthy?

  • May 22, 2014 at 12:59 pm
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    So you’re saying that Obama didn’t go to the most expensive private school in Hawaii? because small news flash, he did.

    • May 22, 2014 at 3:01 pm
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      I said he went there in the fifth grade on a SCHOLARSHIP. Dubya went to Phillips Academy, a well-known prep school, and Yale on his Daddy’s dime. He’d never had gotten into either one any other way.

    • May 22, 2014 at 3:30 pm
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      Punahou is a very expensive private school in HI.

      • May 22, 2014 at 3:47 pm
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        So what. He went there on a SCHOLARSHIP. Are you deaf? Or just don’t hear very well?

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          eh? Did you say he went there on an apprenticeship?

  • May 22, 2014 at 1:37 pm
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    smoked dope in college and hug out with communists was the full statement – which is true.

    Libby, again you’ve bored me to tears and so has Obama. He is the most uninformed, “I found out just like you all did – on the news”, biggest liar we’ve ever had in office. Our utilities are going to be so incredibly expensive especially electricity and Obama warned us that this was going to happen (the only thing he ever said that actually was the truth) because of the fabricated lies on Global Warming no X that one, Climate Change, no let’s X that one too and on to the next I can’t even keep up with what is labeled anymore. And still how you love him…

    • May 22, 2014 at 3:04 pm
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      I do not love him. I only defend him because of the incessant, untruthful, bashing done by your side. There are plenty of points I would concede if you weren’t so over the top with your hysteria.

      I only try to bring some sanity to your insanity. You guys are incapable of being the least bit objective when it comes to Obama. If you want to have an objective discussion, I’d be open to it. But you’re not capable of it when it comes to him.

      • May 22, 2014 at 3:05 pm
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        Just as I am not capable of it when it comes to Bush. So I guess we both know where the other stands.

  • May 22, 2014 at 3:29 pm
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    Libby is right…Obama is my hero. He showed that you do not require any experience to be President, win a Nobel Peace Prize based on his “potential” (I would like to nominate my brother, a young medical doctor, for the Nobel for Medicine..he has a lot of potential).

    Also, Obama has shown us that you do not have to answer to anyone and you can be inept and incompetent and yet be protected from criticism since you are racist if you criticize him.

  • May 22, 2014 at 3:54 pm
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    He didn’t deserve the Nobel Prize. And, in fact, he didn’t want it. The Nobel committee was just so happy that Dubya was gone and we finally had someone in the White House that could be respected, they went batshit crazy and awarded it to him.

    http://reason.com/archives/2014/05/21/obamas-peace-prize-an-issue-as-nobel-com

    • May 22, 2014 at 5:40 pm
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      Libby, have you seen the North Korean guys remarks regarding OBama? They, as well as other nations, have no fear of OBama.

  • May 22, 2014 at 4:50 pm
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    Thanks for the laugh, Libby. I don’t think I’ve laughed this hard since Obama got that Nobel PEACE prize. How many people have been killed by his drone attacks? And speaking of drones; why didn’t he send any to the embassy in Benghazi when we were being attacked by those extremists, you know, when that video came out?

  • May 22, 2014 at 4:54 pm
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    Thanks Libby, I don’t think I’ve laughed that hard since Obama actually won his Nobel PEACE price. And by the way how many innocent people has he killed with all his drone attacks? Oh, and by the way again why, pray tell, didn’t he send those drones to help out our embassy on the anniversary of 9/11 when we were being attacked by extremists on you know that video that came out. Lies, lies, lies.

  • May 22, 2014 at 4:54 pm
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    The town I live in as well as many surrounding communities are involved in this suit. The local news are all reporting something along the lines of ” Do they want to write insurance or not?”…

    This is a big black eye for Farmers in my area. Some of my former buds are just scratching their heads saying WTF????

    Seems like a strategy to reduce the number of Farmers Agents to me.

  • May 22, 2014 at 4:55 pm
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    Sorry you all or the double post!

  • May 22, 2014 at 5:29 pm
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    http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2014/01/23/more-than-2400-dead-as-obamas-drone-campaign-marks-five-years/

    And, I believe more of our military personal have died in the past 7 years that Obama has been in office then when Bush was in office for both terms. We have a president without any military back ground, much else, what could possibly go wrong?

  • May 23, 2014 at 9:02 am
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    Always Amazed wrote, “And, I believe more of…”

    Well, it must be true then, if you believe it. Just like when anyone on Fox says, “Some people say…” You know what, some people say Karl Rove is a heroin addict. Dude LOVES to ride the horse.

    I’d like you to list a credible source that can back up your belief. Make sure to include Blackwater casualties.

    • May 23, 2014 at 11:11 am
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      Here you go Captain Planet…btw, I hated your cartoon and glad it got cancelled.

      http://icasualties.org/oef/

      • May 23, 2014 at 11:58 am
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        This only includes Afghanistan and not Iraq or other conflicts. Try again, Empo.

        • May 23, 2014 at 12:12 pm
          EmpoftheEarth says:
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          GYAH! GYAH! GYAH!

          Isn’t that enough?

          • May 23, 2014 at 12:15 pm
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            Yes, if you only want to tell half of the story. Conveniently the half that supports your indefensible position. It’s disingenuous in the least. Dishonest at it’s worst.

            See the appropriate chart below.

      • May 23, 2014 at 12:10 pm
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        I’m glad it was cancelled, too. Was taking up waaaay too much of my time. I’m doing much better things now and can focus on real causes rather than some goofy cartoon. Instead of being illustrated I get to illustrate to people like you the lies and deceit that comes from the likes of Drudge and Hannity. You will say the following isn’t a good source, and I get that. But, make sure you understand the metrics used in the following, so, actually read the short article. Also, let’s not forget who lied us into Iraq in the first place. All of those deaths, I don’t care if it’s 1 leftover soldier during President Hillary Clinton’s admin in 2016, fall back on Bush. And so do the deaths of those attacked during 9/11 and all of 13 of the embassy attacks, or Benghazis, that occurred on Bush’s watch. To be fair, President Bill Clinton saw some embassy attacks as well.

        http://thedailybanter.com/2013/11/conservatives-say-obama-has-lost-more-us-troops-than-bush-thats-crazy/

        Also, kudos to President Obama on finishing Bush’s lackluster pursuit of Bin Laden. I guess if you want to get the job done, you have to bring in the closer. President Obama and his team took the ball across the goal line and had the decency to not even spike the pigskin.

        Boom – mic drop!

        • May 23, 2014 at 12:18 pm
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          Oh! Snippity snap snap! (As you would say.)

      • May 23, 2014 at 12:13 pm
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        Here are the charts FoxNews doesn’t want you to see:

        http://www.icasualties.org/

        Score: 4,852 BUSH
        Score: 1,956 Obama

        Clear winner? BUSH. No deaths in Iraq since Obama got us out of there. Increased deaths in Afghanistan because instead of sending troops to Afghanistan (where Bin Laden was hiding) Bush felt in necessary to carry out his vendetta against Iraq.

        Don’t talk to me about incompetent, dishonest presidents! Obama’s lies are miniscule in comparison. “Oops! You have to change your doctor” instead of “Oops! No WMD’s. Sorry you had to die.”

        • May 23, 2014 at 12:19 pm
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          Let me remind you that CIA intelligence and other documents (shared by all intelligence agencies within the NATO fold of nations) were presented and the congress unaninmously approved to go to war against IRAQ (which had a DEMOCRATIC majority at the time). Let me remind you that the President does not have the ability to declare war. That is the responsibility of the Legislative branch. The President is part of the Executive branch, which carries out the orders.

          I do give Obama credit for the Bin Laden assassination and was glad to see an evil man taken down.

          • May 23, 2014 at 12:25 pm
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            And instead of reminding me of ancient history, comment on the goddamn chart. Deflectin is your middle name. Caught with your pants down? Change the subject. Discredit the source. Call someone a moron. All typical Republican tactics when backed against a wall.

          • May 23, 2014 at 12:43 pm
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            ***Grabs popcorn*** Thanks Libby for providing entertainment for me during my day of looking at policy forms. I can only imagine that someday we can all hug the trees together and declare Obama the greatest president we ever had.

          • May 23, 2014 at 1:02 pm
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            You said it, not me.

        • May 23, 2014 at 12:20 pm
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          Libby you are a moron…comparing number of deaths and declaring a winner is a rather bit morbid.

          • May 23, 2014 at 12:23 pm
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            Winner? Bush. Loser? The American People.

        • May 23, 2014 at 12:23 pm
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          Bush LIED to Congress to get the Legislative branch to declare war. He provided “intelligience” he KNEW to be false. HE LIED. And his lies killed people. Obama’s lies cost people a few hundred dollars on their health insurance and a different doctor. If you can’t see the difference, you are the moron here.

          • May 23, 2014 at 12:48 pm
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            Libby you’re right. Obama is the greatest President we ever had. Bush Lied, Libby Cried…Obama Lied, Libby decried…the criticism.

          • May 23, 2014 at 1:03 pm
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            Have a Happy Memorial Day weekend.

          • May 23, 2014 at 3:51 pm
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            haha…Libby, I think that will be the ONLY thing we will ever agree on. Happy Memorial Day to you and your kin!

  • May 23, 2014 at 10:03 am
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    Well Cap, you seem to believe all the lies that come out of Obama’s mouth so I guess we’re even then.

  • May 23, 2014 at 12:31 pm
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    Always Amazed says:
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    Back to the subject at hand:

    http://www.cfact.org/2014/05/19/antarctic-melting-reports-omit-key-facts/

    • May 27, 2014 at 12:46 pm
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      Funny how we seems to lose sight of the subject of the article and gravitate to who was the worse president – Bush or oBama.

      This forum should be about Farmers suing Munis because they cant keep their storm systems up with the changing climate. Mayor of Sugar Grove said it best – “Do they want to write insurance or not?”

      Glad I am gone. Questioning my decision to get back into home & auto.

      • May 27, 2014 at 1:22 pm
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        Glad you’re gone from where? What else would you get into if not home & auto? Life and health?

        • May 27, 2014 at 1:46 pm
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          Glad I am gone from Farmers. Been running Commercial then got back into home & auto. Should have stayed on the commercial side of the biz…

  • May 23, 2014 at 2:23 pm
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    Always – cfact.org is run by David Rothbard who is a longtime oil front group operative. Also, one of the cfact consultants is Paul Driessen who is also a consultant for…wait for it…ExxonMobil and the mining industry. Cfact is known for trying to do anything to discredit the science underpinning climate change. They’ve even gone so far as to go to Copenhagen for the conference on climate change, team up with Rush Limbaugh (the famous pill popping hot head), and perform stunts aimed at mocking Greenpeace. That’s your source, AA. Nice!

    On an aside – this is some good Friday humor I think people on any side can chuckle on:

    http://greenleegazette.blogspot.com/2014/05/cliven-bundy-institute-for-higher.html



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