If a Funeral Home was contacted to pick up a body that had this infection or some other contagious deadly disease, would that employee be protected by Work Comp? How about the person who processes the body for cremation? What if the religion of the deceased does not allow cremation? They are not health care workers, but they very likely would not have the protective equipment necessary to handle this exposure safely. My initial reaction is that this would be covered under workers compensation. To me this meets the test “arising out of and in the course of employment”.
I believe you are right Crain. I would say that Funeral Homes who know that a body to be picked up died from Ebola would take the precautions necessary to prevent catching the virus. They might have to charge a lot more for their services for all the protective gear they would have to wear.
Insurance carriers should subrogate against the Feds for allowing these people through our airports, borders, etc. I know that’s far fetched, but they are not doing a thing to keep Eboly (that’s what the pres calls it) from spreading.
Seriously? The Coast Guard is checking boats off shore. Visitors from those areas are having their tempatures taken before and after landing. Medical facilities have been set up at key international airports. Just what more, besides closing the borders all together, would you expect them to be doing?
Agent, that makes way too much sense. After all, Libby says that this disease isn’t as infectious as we all think it is. AND, temperatures are being taken at the airports. I know I feel better already. Just hearing Libby and her low life president soothing our fears makes me feel better.
October 13, 2014 at 9:48 am
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Sure, Agent. You’d be the first one screaming if they wouldn’t let you into your own country. Talk about taking away freedom! You’re ridiculous.
October 13, 2014 at 12:17 pm
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Perplexed, We shouldn’t be sending any more people over to Africa in the affected areas and certainly not letting any citizens of African nations into ours until this crisis has been contained. I think we will end up getting a lot of our soldiers infected before all is said and done.
October 13, 2014 at 1:09 pm
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How Christian of you, Agent.
October 15, 2014 at 6:05 pm
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Perplexed, we have reason to be encouraged. The President cancelled two fundraisers to have a meeting at the White House about what to do about Ebola. No telling what the next spin will be about, but I am skeptical these people know what they are talking about.
October 13, 2014 at 3:20 pm
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Libby, according to CNN, we are only setting up medical facilities at 5 airports. Where are you getting your information? Only five? Is that because nobody lands anywhere else in the USA? LOL Only monitoring FIVE airports is like putting a band aid on a bullet wound. This isn’t some “conservative” news site, it’s the Liberal maven that is CNN.
I said “key” international airports. Where else do you think an airplane from Liberia will be landing? Chattanooga?
October 10, 2014 at 2:13 pm
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Agent,I wonder how they would know what equipment to buy. I am not sure that I would trust the CDC to provide that information. Their track record is not too good.
Seems like the people with the hazardous waste suits would have to get the body to the funeral home or crematory themselves and insert the body into the crematory themselves unless they are wrapping the bodies in a hazardous waste bag and no one else is going to be exposed.
Probably not Crain. I saw a story the other night on local news that the Army/Navy Surplus store sales are booming with people buying all kinds of masks, respirators and plastic suits. People are very worried about Ebola and it seems our government is just inviting people in to the country.
Perhaps some education on the contraction of the disease would ease people’s fear factor. The virus is transferred through bodily fluids (blood, vomit, sweat, urine, etc.) A gown, mask and gloves are adequate for equipment. The reason it’s spreading so fast in other countries is because they don’t have the protective gear available to them like we do. You can not get the virus just breathing the same air as the infected person. Please be cautious, but relax. It’s not like it is in the movies.
Libby is now the expert on Ebola and she and Obama and the CDC know what they are talking about, LMAO! Nobody knows 100% for sure, it is pure speculation and media downplay, IMHO.
draetish, I saw an interview with an infectious disease doctor the other night and he said we may have misjudged and it appears Ebola is spread easier than they first thought.
I don’t usually agree with you Agent, but in this case I do. This virus is not the same as the 1970’s Ebola and appears to be more transmissible, based on people contracting it despite following the protocols. Maybe it has mutated, or maybe it has been bioengineered. In any case I don’t think the CDC is doing a very good job and I’m losing confidence in that agency.
October 13, 2014 at 4:09 pm
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Not doing a good job? TWO cases in the U.S. I’d say that’s a pretty damn good job.
Where are you getting your information that this is a more virulent strain? That’s not the case at all. Ebola in the 1970’s was more contained because people were less mobile then and the virus was contained in the villages in which it was contracted.
It’s spreading because people in third-world countries don’t have access to protective equipment the same way we do in the U.S.
October 14, 2014 at 3:19 pm
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Something tells me that if given the option of “A gown, mask and gloves” or a biohazard suit with respirator, Libby would choose the biohazard suit.
Lol “adequate” doesn’t exactly cut it for me when it comes to containing one of the nastiest and deadliest viruses on our planet.
October 13, 2014 at 9:47 am
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Not an expert, just more informed than most. But then again, I do my own research and don’t rely on Drudge for it.
What? Libby you have lost your mind, where did I “say” I know more than the CDC, LMFAO! Your a crackpot, IMHO
October 13, 2014 at 1:10 pm
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You said the CDC didn’t know what it was talking about. Which means you know more than the CDC. If anyone is a crackpot, it’s you.
October 13, 2014 at 3:22 pm
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Well, hindsight is 20/20, so I’m sure you don’t mind being wrong. A gown, mask and gloves you say? I bet the nurse in Dallas would love to speak with you. She had on ALL the required protection from the CDC, yet still contracted Ebola. Keep talking Libby. People love reading your nonsense, especially when you are proven wrong. Again.
I haven’t been proven wrong at all. There was some breach in protocol in the removal of the equipment that caused the transfer to the nurse. Please, educate yourselves people.
Oh please stop embarrassing yourself Libby and admit that no one knows 100% for sure. I too heard that same crock of BS. Don’t blame it on the nurse.
October 18, 2014 at 2:32 pm
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Libby, it is confounding how many of your analytical replies have been given negative votes.
I’m guessing the majority are not working in Insurance, and if they are, are either in Sales or Marketing. They probably get all their news from Fox, too.
October 20, 2014 at 4:17 pm
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Story of my life on IJ Underwriter. They love to shoot the messenger on here. Plus I’m the most hated poster, so ANYTHING I say gets thumbed down just on general principle.
October 14, 2014 at 10:15 am
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Maybe Congress should actually provide the CDC with adequate funding, instead of cutting it. Oh wait, that would actually mean doing some work for a change.
They have adequate funding TDub. They were appropriated more than Obama asked for. The problem is administration and spending money on other things than they should be doing.
Yes, this current Adminstration has misjudged a lot of things from ISIS to Ebola. They just can’t seem to get one thing right and continue to lie and cover up. How dare they insult our intelligence.
draetish, Agent, and Perplexed – be afraid. Be very afraid. I suggest you continue to live your lives scared shitless to the point that you do no leave your homes. Especially on election day. It’s best that you just stay home.
You would like us to stay home on election day, wouldn’t you Libby? That would benefit all the imbeciles you want to get elected in the mid terms. Sorry, it isn’t going to happen this time. The Obama followers are all in big trouble. That is why they don’t want him to come to their state to campaign.
It sounds to me like even you have had enough and a fair number of Democrats and a lot of Independent’s agree. The governance has been about as bad as I have seen it in my adult lifetime. If the Senate goes, we can send Dirty Harry back to his Pomegranate farm and maybe some bills will be debated and voted on. Obama may have to actually sign a few bills that benefit the country. If he vetos everything, he should be impeached.
You’ll be able to put your money where your mouth is if that happens. We’ll hold your feet to the fire, too. You can bet on that!
October 13, 2014 at 2:59 pm
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Just like I have held your feet to the fire Libby for the past 6 years. You have been defending the indefensible and calling me every name you could think of all this time and saying how wrong I was. The governance of liberals has been a disaster of biblical proportions. It is high time Conservatives get their shot. A whole new approach is long overdue.
October 13, 2014 at 9:24 am
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Ebola is spread by body fluids incl sputum. Think about how much moisture comes in & out w/every breath…our protective gloves were est to leak anywhere from 4-50% of the time due to manufacturing process errors. If I’m a West African who can get out, the piddly screening at 5 airports isn’t going to stop me -I’ll fly east and land in LA or Seattle or Mumbai or Tokyo, spreading little virus particles all along the path. At roughly $1,000/minute, this is more costly than a set of quints. And the feds dithering on this doesn’t help (then again, lack of leadership hasn’t been this administration’s problem, on anything, only finding enough scapegoats. Blaming the nurses for catching it is like blaming the farmer for why a crop isn’t growing in a drought.
Yes, Ebola is a scary infectious disease. But the first thing you should know is that it’s not very contagious — “Common sense and observation tell us that spread of the virus via coughing or sneezing is rare, if it happens at all,” the World Health Organization says. It’s spread through frequent contact with bodily fluids and can be spread only by someone who is showing symptoms.
“This is not an airborne transmission,” said Dr. Marty Cetron, director of the CDC’s Division of Global Migration and Quarantine. “There needs to be direct contact frequently with body fluids or blood.”
So how did that nurse get it in Dallas from the man they were treating. She had protective equipment on, did not exchange bodily fluids with him and she still got it.
Libby needs to check with an expert. If one starts with the preposition that contact with bodily fluid is the ONLY method of transmission, then one might be correct. But direct contact is the PRESUMED or KNOWN transmission method. No doctor will ever say that it’s the ONLY transmission method.
October 13, 2014 at 1:13 pm
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I did check with an expert. And yes, I’m sure there’s one chance in a megamillion that it could be transferred in other ways. But they sure as hell haven’t discovered them and the disease has been around for years. Don’t buy into the right-wing fear-mongering propoganda. Unless you’re a fool.
October 13, 2014 at 9:47 am
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Libby, I’m not running around with a mask on, but you are obviously wearing your blinders. Whatever your president and his minions tell you, you believe. Can’t believe someone as smart as you appear to be falls for it.
I don’t get health information from the President. I read up on the disease. And no, I don’t have a mask on because I don’t need one right now. All you chicken littles just need to simmer down. You guys are always squawking about some crises. In another month or so, you’ll be on to the next thing. You wear me out.
Libby, Oy vey, with these people already! Why do you continue to humor them?
October 20, 2014 at 4:20 pm
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I’m bored.
October 14, 2014 at 6:16 pm
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Read some more Libby. The new prediction is for 10,000 cases worldwide in a short few months. It may be coming to a town near you soon especially if they don’t shut down the flights from west Africa.
InsGuy – yes. Because, if I had a child, I wouldn’t be taking them to Liberia, Guinea, or Sierra Leone. Neither my child nor I know anyone that has been exposed to the Ebola virus nor have we been exposed. So, yeah, I feel pretty comfortable in my current surroundings that I, and my child if I had one, will not be contracting Ebola.
You guys really have a poor opinion of the abilities of the American people.
Safetyguy, do you have something to contribute on this forum? If not, no one is holding a gun to your head making you read the comments. Pick another story that you like and get milquetoast comments.
I am going to stay on issue here and not get into politics (poly-ticks = many blood suckers? sorry could not resist).
I think it would be almost impossible for a health care workers, ambulance, flight attendant, funeral, or anyone who has come in contact with someone with ebola while doing job duties to NOT be covered for Workers compensation–and therefore exclusive remedy. If it was someone who came in contact while not working, even if it was a nurse, it would not be AOE/COE.
If a Funeral Home was contacted to pick up a body that had this infection or some other contagious deadly disease, would that employee be protected by Work Comp? How about the person who processes the body for cremation? What if the religion of the deceased does not allow cremation? They are not health care workers, but they very likely would not have the protective equipment necessary to handle this exposure safely. My initial reaction is that this would be covered under workers compensation. To me this meets the test “arising out of and in the course of employment”.
I believe you are right Crain. I would say that Funeral Homes who know that a body to be picked up died from Ebola would take the precautions necessary to prevent catching the virus. They might have to charge a lot more for their services for all the protective gear they would have to wear.
Insurance carriers should subrogate against the Feds for allowing these people through our airports, borders, etc. I know that’s far fetched, but they are not doing a thing to keep Eboly (that’s what the pres calls it) from spreading.
Seriously? The Coast Guard is checking boats off shore. Visitors from those areas are having their tempatures taken before and after landing. Medical facilities have been set up at key international airports. Just what more, besides closing the borders all together, would you expect them to be doing?
How about banning all incoming flights from any of the countries having the Ebola outbreak problem? The idea is to protect America if at all possible.
Agent, that makes way too much sense. After all, Libby says that this disease isn’t as infectious as we all think it is. AND, temperatures are being taken at the airports. I know I feel better already. Just hearing Libby and her low life president soothing our fears makes me feel better.
Sure, Agent. You’d be the first one screaming if they wouldn’t let you into your own country. Talk about taking away freedom! You’re ridiculous.
Perplexed, We shouldn’t be sending any more people over to Africa in the affected areas and certainly not letting any citizens of African nations into ours until this crisis has been contained. I think we will end up getting a lot of our soldiers infected before all is said and done.
How Christian of you, Agent.
Perplexed, we have reason to be encouraged. The President cancelled two fundraisers to have a meeting at the White House about what to do about Ebola. No telling what the next spin will be about, but I am skeptical these people know what they are talking about.
Libby, according to CNN, we are only setting up medical facilities at 5 airports. Where are you getting your information? Only five? Is that because nobody lands anywhere else in the USA? LOL Only monitoring FIVE airports is like putting a band aid on a bullet wound. This isn’t some “conservative” news site, it’s the Liberal maven that is CNN.
I said “key” international airports. Where else do you think an airplane from Liberia will be landing? Chattanooga?
Agent,I wonder how they would know what equipment to buy. I am not sure that I would trust the CDC to provide that information. Their track record is not too good.
Seems like the people with the hazardous waste suits would have to get the body to the funeral home or crematory themselves and insert the body into the crematory themselves unless they are wrapping the bodies in a hazardous waste bag and no one else is going to be exposed.
Probably not Crain. I saw a story the other night on local news that the Army/Navy Surplus store sales are booming with people buying all kinds of masks, respirators and plastic suits. People are very worried about Ebola and it seems our government is just inviting people in to the country.
Perhaps some education on the contraction of the disease would ease people’s fear factor. The virus is transferred through bodily fluids (blood, vomit, sweat, urine, etc.) A gown, mask and gloves are adequate for equipment. The reason it’s spreading so fast in other countries is because they don’t have the protective gear available to them like we do. You can not get the virus just breathing the same air as the infected person. Please be cautious, but relax. It’s not like it is in the movies.
Libby is now the expert on Ebola and she and Obama and the CDC know what they are talking about, LMAO! Nobody knows 100% for sure, it is pure speculation and media downplay, IMHO.
draetish, I saw an interview with an infectious disease doctor the other night and he said we may have misjudged and it appears Ebola is spread easier than they first thought.
I don’t usually agree with you Agent, but in this case I do. This virus is not the same as the 1970’s Ebola and appears to be more transmissible, based on people contracting it despite following the protocols. Maybe it has mutated, or maybe it has been bioengineered. In any case I don’t think the CDC is doing a very good job and I’m losing confidence in that agency.
Not doing a good job? TWO cases in the U.S. I’d say that’s a pretty damn good job.
Where are you getting your information that this is a more virulent strain? That’s not the case at all. Ebola in the 1970’s was more contained because people were less mobile then and the virus was contained in the villages in which it was contracted.
It’s spreading because people in third-world countries don’t have access to protective equipment the same way we do in the U.S.
Something tells me that if given the option of “A gown, mask and gloves” or a biohazard suit with respirator, Libby would choose the biohazard suit.
Lol “adequate” doesn’t exactly cut it for me when it comes to containing one of the nastiest and deadliest viruses on our planet.
Not an expert, just more informed than most. But then again, I do my own research and don’t rely on Drudge for it.
Now draetish knows more than the CDC. LMFAO! IMHO.
What? Libby you have lost your mind, where did I “say” I know more than the CDC, LMFAO! Your a crackpot, IMHO
You said the CDC didn’t know what it was talking about. Which means you know more than the CDC. If anyone is a crackpot, it’s you.
Well, hindsight is 20/20, so I’m sure you don’t mind being wrong. A gown, mask and gloves you say? I bet the nurse in Dallas would love to speak with you. She had on ALL the required protection from the CDC, yet still contracted Ebola. Keep talking Libby. People love reading your nonsense, especially when you are proven wrong. Again.
I haven’t been proven wrong at all. There was some breach in protocol in the removal of the equipment that caused the transfer to the nurse. Please, educate yourselves people.
Oh please stop embarrassing yourself Libby and admit that no one knows 100% for sure. I too heard that same crock of BS. Don’t blame it on the nurse.
Libby, it is confounding how many of your analytical replies have been given negative votes.
I’m guessing the majority are not working in Insurance, and if they are, are either in Sales or Marketing. They probably get all their news from Fox, too.
Story of my life on IJ Underwriter. They love to shoot the messenger on here. Plus I’m the most hated poster, so ANYTHING I say gets thumbed down just on general principle.
Maybe Congress should actually provide the CDC with adequate funding, instead of cutting it. Oh wait, that would actually mean doing some work for a change.
They have adequate funding TDub. They were appropriated more than Obama asked for. The problem is administration and spending money on other things than they should be doing.
Yes, this current Adminstration has misjudged a lot of things from ISIS to Ebola. They just can’t seem to get one thing right and continue to lie and cover up. How dare they insult our intelligence.
draetish, Agent, and Perplexed – be afraid. Be very afraid. I suggest you continue to live your lives scared shitless to the point that you do no leave your homes. Especially on election day. It’s best that you just stay home.
You would like us to stay home on election day, wouldn’t you Libby? That would benefit all the imbeciles you want to get elected in the mid terms. Sorry, it isn’t going to happen this time. The Obama followers are all in big trouble. That is why they don’t want him to come to their state to campaign.
I’m voting for your side this time, Agent. Let’s see what you’ve got.
It sounds to me like even you have had enough and a fair number of Democrats and a lot of Independent’s agree. The governance has been about as bad as I have seen it in my adult lifetime. If the Senate goes, we can send Dirty Harry back to his Pomegranate farm and maybe some bills will be debated and voted on. Obama may have to actually sign a few bills that benefit the country. If he vetos everything, he should be impeached.
You’ll be able to put your money where your mouth is if that happens. We’ll hold your feet to the fire, too. You can bet on that!
Just like I have held your feet to the fire Libby for the past 6 years. You have been defending the indefensible and calling me every name you could think of all this time and saying how wrong I was. The governance of liberals has been a disaster of biblical proportions. It is high time Conservatives get their shot. A whole new approach is long overdue.
Ebola is spread by body fluids incl sputum. Think about how much moisture comes in & out w/every breath…our protective gloves were est to leak anywhere from 4-50% of the time due to manufacturing process errors. If I’m a West African who can get out, the piddly screening at 5 airports isn’t going to stop me -I’ll fly east and land in LA or Seattle or Mumbai or Tokyo, spreading little virus particles all along the path. At roughly $1,000/minute, this is more costly than a set of quints. And the feds dithering on this doesn’t help (then again, lack of leadership hasn’t been this administration’s problem, on anything, only finding enough scapegoats. Blaming the nurses for catching it is like blaming the farmer for why a crop isn’t growing in a drought.
Yes, Ebola is a scary infectious disease. But the first thing you should know is that it’s not very contagious — “Common sense and observation tell us that spread of the virus via coughing or sneezing is rare, if it happens at all,” the World Health Organization says. It’s spread through frequent contact with bodily fluids and can be spread only by someone who is showing symptoms.
“This is not an airborne transmission,” said Dr. Marty Cetron, director of the CDC’s Division of Global Migration and Quarantine. “There needs to be direct contact frequently with body fluids or blood.”
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/30/health/how-ebola-spreads/index.html
So how did that nurse get it in Dallas from the man they were treating. She had protective equipment on, did not exchange bodily fluids with him and she still got it.
Well, obviously she did have some exchange of body fluids with him if she caught the virus.
Libby needs to check with an expert. If one starts with the preposition that contact with bodily fluid is the ONLY method of transmission, then one might be correct. But direct contact is the PRESUMED or KNOWN transmission method. No doctor will ever say that it’s the ONLY transmission method.
I did check with an expert. And yes, I’m sure there’s one chance in a megamillion that it could be transferred in other ways. But they sure as hell haven’t discovered them and the disease has been around for years. Don’t buy into the right-wing fear-mongering propoganda. Unless you’re a fool.
Libby, I’m not running around with a mask on, but you are obviously wearing your blinders. Whatever your president and his minions tell you, you believe. Can’t believe someone as smart as you appear to be falls for it.
I don’t get health information from the President. I read up on the disease. And no, I don’t have a mask on because I don’t need one right now. All you chicken littles just need to simmer down. You guys are always squawking about some crises. In another month or so, you’ll be on to the next thing. You wear me out.
Yeah, Perplexed. Because if CNN puts it on their website (check link above) it MUST be true.
Forget that the liberal media is the tool/propaganda arm of the progressive liberal.
That’s right. Discredit the source. By all means, don’t provide any information to the contrary. It’s a great debate tactic. If you’re a moron.
Libby, Oy vey, with these people already! Why do you continue to humor them?
I’m bored.
Read some more Libby. The new prediction is for 10,000 cases worldwide in a short few months. It may be coming to a town near you soon especially if they don’t shut down the flights from west Africa.
Well, Libby, I must ask. Are you willing to bet your child’s life on your blind faith?
InsGuy – yes. Because, if I had a child, I wouldn’t be taking them to Liberia, Guinea, or Sierra Leone. Neither my child nor I know anyone that has been exposed to the Ebola virus nor have we been exposed. So, yeah, I feel pretty comfortable in my current surroundings that I, and my child if I had one, will not be contracting Ebola.
You guys really have a poor opinion of the abilities of the American people.
And the prophecy comes true! It’s 12/31/14 and no squawking about Ebola for over a month now. I rest my case! LOL!!!
Doesn’t anyone have some work to do.
This diatribe between you all is ridiculous
By all means, feel free to log off at any time.
Safetyguy, do you have something to contribute on this forum? If not, no one is holding a gun to your head making you read the comments. Pick another story that you like and get milquetoast comments.
I am going to stay on issue here and not get into politics (poly-ticks = many blood suckers? sorry could not resist).
I think it would be almost impossible for a health care workers, ambulance, flight attendant, funeral, or anyone who has come in contact with someone with ebola while doing job duties to NOT be covered for Workers compensation–and therefore exclusive remedy. If it was someone who came in contact while not working, even if it was a nurse, it would not be AOE/COE.
Well, you went off issue & got a thumbs down. Ha!
I agree. I don’t know why this is even a question for an article this long.