Seriously, they have voted on this 62 separate times. I’d love for someone to calculate how many tax dollars have been wasted by the so-called conservatively fiscal party.
mr_risk, Which names did Jack use? Perhaps you should speak up and call out the left bloggers on this site that use specific names to post their garbage and insult.
Obama will certainly veto it but keep in mind since the GOP won the House 2010 this is the first time the repeal has been sent to his desk. The Senate Democrats and cohort Harry Reid filibustered any improvements and protected Obama from ever seeing a repeal. Now with a Senate majority the Republicans are using the special “reconciliation” procedure e.g. simple majority for the repeal. Besides the weak economy for the past seven years, ObamaCare and its detrimental consequences is the primary reason Obama lost the House and Senate.
Patriot, you are right. Now we will have a historical document on the worst piece of garbage ever passed by Congress and signed into law. It should be noted which Democrats actually supported the President so we can take care of them in the next election. It did take two mid terms and one Presidential election to weed out a lot of them, but maybe the next election will complete the cycle and we can get real appeal done.
Let’s hope it doesn’t pass. When I take the $820mil lump sum lottery payoff, I would like to be able to get cheap Obama Insurance because the following year, I’ll have $0 earned income.
Unearned income is figured into the MAGI formula.
So, no subsidy for you, just more taxes and no breaks.
January 14, 2016 at 2:20 pm
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FFA,
I don’t know what I was thinking. Who ever heard of a tax paying, working person getting anything from the Government. I should have know that. Must have gotten a little to caught up in the fantasy of winning. LOL.
January 7, 2016 at 3:15 pm
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Well, cap, how much money was poured into the failed start ups? How many providers were left hanging with out payment? How much money was wasted on the web site? Distribution channels were already in place that worked.
How much sense does it make to jam everyone into the system all at once?
Open enrollment right before the holidays for everyone?
This could not have been worse. Welcome to IL politics… Egos & Money. Lies and more lies.
FFA, there are about 20 taxes in this law that need to go including the penalty tax for not buying the coverage. In a free country, you don’t penalize people for not purchasing a product. Of course, we all know that Progressive Democrats like control and imposing their will on the people. No wonder they are so unpopular now.
Hill and Bernie can SAY anything they think will yield them votes.
Only Bernie is currently able to actually vote on such changes.
Would Bernie vote to subject all members of Congress to the ACA, or does he prefer to stick with the Congressional Healthcare Plan?
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This legislation is intended to inform voters and hold accountable those who supported the ACA. Many of those who voted for the ACA are no longer in Congress. Perhaps they should have READ it beforehand….?
The legislation is also intended to force a discussion of the issue in an election year because it impacts approximately 16% of the US economy. And it is expected to grow larger, if it hasn’t already grown larger.
BTW; what type of healthcare benefits are available to retiring members of Congress Harry Reid, Diane Feinstein, and Nancy Pelosi?
Jack, you may have missed it, but good old Bernie has already called for “free education” for all young Americans. In fact, his spending proposals for everything in his Socialist Utopia add up to a staggering $17 Trillion. We only thought we had a debt problem in America. Elect Bernie and he will take care of you in the soup line.
Yogi, did you see the latest polling that said Bernie is ahead of Hilliary in both Iowa and New Hampshire? I kind of think she is in big trouble with the impending indictment and people just not liking her very much.
“The champions of Socialism call themselves Progressives, but they recommend a system which is characterized by rigid observance of routine and by a resistance to every kind of improvement. They call themselves liberals, but they are intent upon abolishing liberty. They call themselves Democrats, but they yearn for dictatorship. They call themselves Revolutionaries, but they want to make the government omnipotent. They promise the blessings of the Garden of Eden, but they plan to transform the world into a gigantic post office”. – Ludwig von Mises
Have we seen anything in the past 7 years that resembles this belief system?
Obama bin laden care is a horrible piece of imposed communistic legislation that has ever been enacted/forced on a country. Many employers have had to resort to cutting employees from full time to part time to avoid having to pay for health insurance they can’t afford and then Obama keys on that and reports that he has increased jobs when the numbers come through. Wow what a super idiot and “executive order” president who yields his veto pen at every opportunity. He clearly isn’t interested in what is best for America. How many of his ins. subsidiaries he set up have failed now? It is at something like 9 and counting, which is almost all of them. If this was a system that was good for our country and people why has it been rejected repeatedly and failed so miserably. It will be good to see it go in 2017. Oh BTW get rid of the marijuana dispensaries while your at it. People don’t need to “smoke” marijuana to cure anything. It is a gross abuse of the medical field and a poor excuse to get high and not cured. A mass litany of problems have resulted from this illegal drug being made legal.
Please define “communistic” for the class, first. Then, as far as, “Wow what a super idiot and “executive order” president who yields his veto pen at every opportunity” goes, please review: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/orders.php
As you can see, Reagan had 381 and I am willing to bet you love Reagan. Bush even beats President Obama. Care to change your narrative? As far as medical marijuana goes, you do realize it doesn’t have to be smoked and you also realize there are oils from which they extract out the THC, which is where ones derives the high. Finally, please do some research as to why we made marijuana illegal in the first place. It wasn’t always. While you are at it, why don’t you check the number of people who have OD’d from it compared to the number of people OD’ing on alcohol annually. I am guessing you watch a lot of Faux News?
Wow shawn, you put it nicely. How about a quote from a couple of the wisest leaders who have ever lived.
The problem with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money. – Margaret Thatcher
The inherit vice of Capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings, the inherent vice of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries. – Winston Churchill
Again, just because someone said something, does not make it a fact.
The real problem with Socialism is not the running out of other people’s money, it is the lack of innovation and drive when the government controls the production and distribution of all goods and services.
Winston Churchill’s quote is much closer to reality. If you look at the growth in income inequality since 2009, you can easily infer that we are more capitalistic now. Yet, you keep saying we are more Socialist. Either you are wrong or Winston Churchill is wrong. You tell the class which.
Besides, no one on this blog nor President Obama has advocated for Socialism.
The government would still be looking to profit in order to fund itself.
January 12, 2016 at 2:20 pm
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Ron, Do you think that would be why Military Grade arms are for sale to Joe Consumer?
I am really torn with the gun control issue. When people go duck hunting, they are limited to three shells so duck have a sporting chance. But yet, people are not given that consideration when Auto & Semi auto weapons run wild on the streets of Chicago. Crime stats in Chicago are not looking up for this year. Rham is in trouble. Its a shame too because the guy has the Graduation / College Prep rate to an all time high. So is the violent crime rate.
January 12, 2016 at 2:54 pm
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FFA,
Great question. The problem I have with the whole gun control debate is that I believe the following:
1. People have the right to owns guns
2. People should not have access to high-powered and/or high capacity assault weapons
3. There are too many high-powered and/or high capacity assault weapons already out there whether obtianed and owned legally or illegally. The toothpaste is out of the tube.
4. The biggest issue is access to weapons by the mentally ill. Problem is, how do you identify these people and keep them from guns without invading their privacy.
I may be one of the very few people willing to speak the truth; we need to accept the fact that there are weapons out there that will get into the hands of those who should not have them and innocent people, including potentially my and your family members, friends, co-workers, etc., will die because of that.
“Bad things happening to good people” is a price we pay to live in a free country.
January 12, 2016 at 4:26 pm
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Ron, I usually dont agree with you 100% of the time. My only argument back is the gang banger are not (diagnosed) mentally IL.
Now that Military Assault guns are on our streets, the military (National Guard) needs to step in. They are going to have a shot first mentality and more innocents are going to be killed before the situation gets under control. (I am speaking of Chicago). Stats in for the year so far, 110 shootings with 47 deaths compared to 44 total shootings last year, same time frame. I took this info off a FB article going around.
Of course, Rahm just wont admit the problem is partly of his own doing (he took apart the gang task forces that Daily had set up) because he thought he had a better way. He wont admit that just the same that oBama wont admit he made a mistake with the ACA. Neither of them really care about anyone but themselves.
I’ll lay money down that when OBama leaves office, he leaves Chicago even quicker. I would also bet the Fitzgerald has some questions for him too.
Ron,
Do you mean communism? The armed forces are the greatest example of socialism in the US and innovation doesn’t seem to be something they struggle with but rather excel at. Now, paying for that innovation, on the other hand…
I mean Socialism as defined, “a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.”
We currently have a productive mixed of capitalism and socialism. Either one, in it’s pure form, would be disastrous.
The military itself is socialist, but the suppliers of the military are still private companies who function as capitalists. Probably one of the biggest reasons why the defense budget is so big. Remove the billions of dollars the private companies are profiting from the military, the budget would go down significantly. Just don’t tell the “fiscally conservative” Republicans.
Seriously, they have voted on this 62 separate times. I’d love for someone to calculate how many tax dollars have been wasted by the so-called conservatively fiscal party.
right after the dumb ass democrats calculate the increase in premiums we all had shoved up our azz.
Lean forward America
Jack – your name-calling does nothing to contribute to a discussion on this topic.
mr_risk, Which names did Jack use? Perhaps you should speak up and call out the left bloggers on this site that use specific names to post their garbage and insult.
if the shoe fits
Obama will certainly veto it but keep in mind since the GOP won the House 2010 this is the first time the repeal has been sent to his desk. The Senate Democrats and cohort Harry Reid filibustered any improvements and protected Obama from ever seeing a repeal. Now with a Senate majority the Republicans are using the special “reconciliation” procedure e.g. simple majority for the repeal. Besides the weak economy for the past seven years, ObamaCare and its detrimental consequences is the primary reason Obama lost the House and Senate.
Patriot, you are right. Now we will have a historical document on the worst piece of garbage ever passed by Congress and signed into law. It should be noted which Democrats actually supported the President so we can take care of them in the next election. It did take two mid terms and one Presidential election to weed out a lot of them, but maybe the next election will complete the cycle and we can get real appeal done.
Let’s hope it doesn’t pass. When I take the $820mil lump sum lottery payoff, I would like to be able to get cheap Obama Insurance because the following year, I’ll have $0 earned income.
Unearned income is figured into the MAGI formula.
So, no subsidy for you, just more taxes and no breaks.
FFA,
I don’t know what I was thinking. Who ever heard of a tax paying, working person getting anything from the Government. I should have know that. Must have gotten a little to caught up in the fantasy of winning. LOL.
Well, cap, how much money was poured into the failed start ups? How many providers were left hanging with out payment? How much money was wasted on the web site? Distribution channels were already in place that worked.
How much sense does it make to jam everyone into the system all at once?
Open enrollment right before the holidays for everyone?
This could not have been worse. Welcome to IL politics… Egos & Money. Lies and more lies.
No amount of voting will cost a tax payer more money than not voting, or vice versa.
They wouldn’t free up more votes on other bills by not voting on this.
Further:
You make the assumption that we need to constantly pass bills or the government or society isn’t getting better.
Hmmm… I don’t.
By this veto, Obamacare is now a bona fide campaign issue and, while indefensible, Killary has to defend it.
She and Bernie have already stated she would pull the Cadi Tax. That would kill the funding. That would take it right off the books.
FFA, there are about 20 taxes in this law that need to go including the penalty tax for not buying the coverage. In a free country, you don’t penalize people for not purchasing a product. Of course, we all know that Progressive Democrats like control and imposing their will on the people. No wonder they are so unpopular now.
“In a free country, you don’t penalize people for not purchasing a product.”
But we do that in our industry! Ever heard of “No Pay No Play” for automobile losses with non-economic damages?
I was seriously asking – have you heard of that before, Agent?
Except for these times when the founding fathers mandated Americans buy things:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2012/06/26/george-washingtons-individual-mandates/
http://www.politifact.com/rhode-island/statements/2012/jan/13/einer-elhauge/harvard-law-professor-says-early-congress-mandated/
Hill and Bernie can SAY anything they think will yield them votes.
Only Bernie is currently able to actually vote on such changes.
Would Bernie vote to subject all members of Congress to the ACA, or does he prefer to stick with the Congressional Healthcare Plan?
——–
This legislation is intended to inform voters and hold accountable those who supported the ACA. Many of those who voted for the ACA are no longer in Congress. Perhaps they should have READ it beforehand….?
The legislation is also intended to force a discussion of the issue in an election year because it impacts approximately 16% of the US economy. And it is expected to grow larger, if it hasn’t already grown larger.
BTW; what type of healthcare benefits are available to retiring members of Congress Harry Reid, Diane Feinstein, and Nancy Pelosi?
As long as they get rid of the damn extortion tax. That’s all I really care about.
I can’t wait for democrats to fix education and make it free as well.
Lean forward America!
Jack, you may have missed it, but good old Bernie has already called for “free education” for all young Americans. In fact, his spending proposals for everything in his Socialist Utopia add up to a staggering $17 Trillion. We only thought we had a debt problem in America. Elect Bernie and he will take care of you in the soup line.
Feel the Money Bern!
Yogi, did you see the latest polling that said Bernie is ahead of Hilliary in both Iowa and New Hampshire? I kind of think she is in big trouble with the impending indictment and people just not liking her very much.
Jack, here is a good one for you.
“The champions of Socialism call themselves Progressives, but they recommend a system which is characterized by rigid observance of routine and by a resistance to every kind of improvement. They call themselves liberals, but they are intent upon abolishing liberty. They call themselves Democrats, but they yearn for dictatorship. They call themselves Revolutionaries, but they want to make the government omnipotent. They promise the blessings of the Garden of Eden, but they plan to transform the world into a gigantic post office”. – Ludwig von Mises
Have we seen anything in the past 7 years that resembles this belief system?
Obama bin laden care is a horrible piece of imposed communistic legislation that has ever been enacted/forced on a country. Many employers have had to resort to cutting employees from full time to part time to avoid having to pay for health insurance they can’t afford and then Obama keys on that and reports that he has increased jobs when the numbers come through. Wow what a super idiot and “executive order” president who yields his veto pen at every opportunity. He clearly isn’t interested in what is best for America. How many of his ins. subsidiaries he set up have failed now? It is at something like 9 and counting, which is almost all of them. If this was a system that was good for our country and people why has it been rejected repeatedly and failed so miserably. It will be good to see it go in 2017. Oh BTW get rid of the marijuana dispensaries while your at it. People don’t need to “smoke” marijuana to cure anything. It is a gross abuse of the medical field and a poor excuse to get high and not cured. A mass litany of problems have resulted from this illegal drug being made legal.
Please define “communistic” for the class, first. Then, as far as, “Wow what a super idiot and “executive order” president who yields his veto pen at every opportunity” goes, please review:
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/orders.php
As you can see, Reagan had 381 and I am willing to bet you love Reagan. Bush even beats President Obama. Care to change your narrative? As far as medical marijuana goes, you do realize it doesn’t have to be smoked and you also realize there are oils from which they extract out the THC, which is where ones derives the high. Finally, please do some research as to why we made marijuana illegal in the first place. It wasn’t always. While you are at it, why don’t you check the number of people who have OD’d from it compared to the number of people OD’ing on alcohol annually. I am guessing you watch a lot of Faux News?
Wow shawn, you put it nicely. How about a quote from a couple of the wisest leaders who have ever lived.
The problem with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money. – Margaret Thatcher
The inherit vice of Capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings, the inherent vice of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries. – Winston Churchill
Agent,
Again, just because someone said something, does not make it a fact.
The real problem with Socialism is not the running out of other people’s money, it is the lack of innovation and drive when the government controls the production and distribution of all goods and services.
Winston Churchill’s quote is much closer to reality. If you look at the growth in income inequality since 2009, you can easily infer that we are more capitalistic now. Yet, you keep saying we are more Socialist. Either you are wrong or Winston Churchill is wrong. You tell the class which.
Besides, no one on this blog nor President Obama has advocated for Socialism.
So basically Ron, a lack of profit motive…
FFA,
The government would still be looking to profit in order to fund itself.
Ron, Do you think that would be why Military Grade arms are for sale to Joe Consumer?
I am really torn with the gun control issue. When people go duck hunting, they are limited to three shells so duck have a sporting chance. But yet, people are not given that consideration when Auto & Semi auto weapons run wild on the streets of Chicago. Crime stats in Chicago are not looking up for this year. Rham is in trouble. Its a shame too because the guy has the Graduation / College Prep rate to an all time high. So is the violent crime rate.
FFA,
Great question. The problem I have with the whole gun control debate is that I believe the following:
1. People have the right to owns guns
2. People should not have access to high-powered and/or high capacity assault weapons
3. There are too many high-powered and/or high capacity assault weapons already out there whether obtianed and owned legally or illegally. The toothpaste is out of the tube.
4. The biggest issue is access to weapons by the mentally ill. Problem is, how do you identify these people and keep them from guns without invading their privacy.
I may be one of the very few people willing to speak the truth; we need to accept the fact that there are weapons out there that will get into the hands of those who should not have them and innocent people, including potentially my and your family members, friends, co-workers, etc., will die because of that.
“Bad things happening to good people” is a price we pay to live in a free country.
Ron, I usually dont agree with you 100% of the time. My only argument back is the gang banger are not (diagnosed) mentally IL.
Now that Military Assault guns are on our streets, the military (National Guard) needs to step in. They are going to have a shot first mentality and more innocents are going to be killed before the situation gets under control. (I am speaking of Chicago). Stats in for the year so far, 110 shootings with 47 deaths compared to 44 total shootings last year, same time frame. I took this info off a FB article going around.
Of course, Rahm just wont admit the problem is partly of his own doing (he took apart the gang task forces that Daily had set up) because he thought he had a better way. He wont admit that just the same that oBama wont admit he made a mistake with the ACA. Neither of them really care about anyone but themselves.
I’ll lay money down that when OBama leaves office, he leaves Chicago even quicker. I would also bet the Fitzgerald has some questions for him too.
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Captain Planet,
I mean Socialism as defined, “a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.”
We currently have a productive mixed of capitalism and socialism. Either one, in it’s pure form, would be disastrous.
The military itself is socialist, but the suppliers of the military are still private companies who function as capitalists. Probably one of the biggest reasons why the defense budget is so big. Remove the billions of dollars the private companies are profiting from the military, the budget would go down significantly. Just don’t tell the “fiscally conservative” Republicans.