Democratic Attorneys General Move to Defend Obamacare Insurer Subsidies


  • May 19, 2017 at 9:50 am
    RiceSusan Hacked the 2012 Election says:
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    Einstein: Insanity is repeating a failed action, hoping for a different outcome.

    • May 19, 2017 at 1:11 pm
      Ron says:
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      Like going back to the failed free market, plus high-risk pools approach to health care?

      • May 19, 2017 at 5:30 pm
        PolarBeaRepeal says:
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        Nope. Not that.

        • May 22, 2017 at 7:57 am
          Ron says:
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          Sure, you’ll answer rhetorical questions.

        • May 22, 2017 at 9:09 am
          RiceSusan Hacked the 2012 Election says:
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          Sure; you’ll troll the IJ website with dumb questions to see if people respond. Note the brevity of my response.

          • May 22, 2017 at 9:27 am
            Ron says:
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            How does one look for a response to a rhetorical question?

          • May 22, 2017 at 12:04 pm
            RiceSusan Hacked the 2012 Election says:
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            One who wastes no time doesn’t.

      • May 24, 2017 at 3:30 pm
        bob says:
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        “Like going back to the failed free market, plus high-risk pools approach to health care?”

        The free market was not failed. You mean going to the hyper regulated market post 1960.

        Laser eye surgery went down in cost when the free market was allowed to handle it. I already showed you that since 1960 when we highly regulated the market, costs suddenly exploded. We have not had a free market since the early 1900’s for healthcare, and at that point, costs were not skyrocketing. We have better technology now which should allow us to have even better costs. The problem is not the free market.

        You said you were in your mid 40’s, (because you said you voted in an election which would require you to be that old) yet you argue like this. No older man argues like this against the free market. This makes me really question how much of what you say here is lies for your image.

        Are you willing to admit you’re not in your 40’s? I might give you your credit back if you do.

  • May 19, 2017 at 9:54 am
    RiceSusan Hacked the 2012 Election says:
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    Leave it to SOME IJ writers to weave the environment, immigration issues into an article about INSURANCE on an INSURANCE website. The only worthwhile part of this article is the top section, which includes some FACTS about the particular AGs in CA, NY, etc. trying to INTERFERE WITH THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE – – – who oppose ACA and want it gone, ASAP!

    • May 19, 2017 at 6:01 pm
      UW says:
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      Right on. Everybody knows the environment cannot affect anything having to do with insurance, particularly health insurance, and immigrants don’t get sick or hurt, and therefore don’t have anything to do with health insurance.

      Keep derping, brotha!

  • May 19, 2017 at 10:02 am
    RiceSusan Hacked the 2012 Election says:
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    Subsidies imposed on a permanent basis can only disrupt market equilibrium, and, if left in place, cause a market death spiral.

    Economics textbooks in unbiased universities in the next decade will point to ACA, its subsidies, 2000+ exemptions, and 29 hour work week rules as a classic example of such market disruption and failure.

    • May 19, 2017 at 2:50 pm
      MAGA says:
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      MAFFPTOIJ, MAFFLD,MASA,MAGA.

  • May 19, 2017 at 10:03 am
    RiceSusan Hacked the 2012 Election says:
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    The Libitterals have arrived, like clockwork, with down votes BUT NO REPLIES OR REBUTTALS OF SUBSTANCE OR FACT.

    • May 19, 2017 at 11:55 am
      Counterpoint says:
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      To be fair, the same could be said for the people upvoting you.

    • May 19, 2017 at 1:12 pm
      Ron says:
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      RiceSusan Hacked the 2012 Election,

      You received a total of 1 down vote for 4 posts.

      • May 22, 2017 at 11:14 am
        RiceSusan Hacked the 2012 Election says:
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        Only 1? Someone must not be able to switch IP addys lately.

    • May 19, 2017 at 5:32 pm
      PolarBeaRepeal says:
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      Upvotes mean agreement with the post. Why is a text reply needed to repeat the sentiment? Parsimony!

  • May 19, 2017 at 1:26 pm
    agent2 says:
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    some years ago we had a terrible auto insurance market here in NJ. super regulated. then a couple of the very few remaining writers were gearing to leave. Then geico appeared (and I bet they told NJ to approve their exit first if things didn’t work out). Then they backed way off and NJ has a super competitive auto market….rates are still high but competition is fierce.

    No such luck here. The powers that be still believe single payer (which is what they want) will fix all that. Just like the V.A.

    • May 19, 2017 at 2:54 pm
      Don't Call Me Shirley says:
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      Despite the problems with the VA, it is much better than the private sector. You have a much better chance of dying in a private sector hospital than in a VA hospital.

      • May 19, 2017 at 3:34 pm
        MAGA says:
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        MAFFDCMSA.

      • May 19, 2017 at 5:34 pm
        PolarBeaRepeal says:
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        Patients dying because they aren’t treated in a timely manner is NOT better than the private sector approach… where patients can change hospitals or healthcare providers if they aren’t being treated promptly. The VA is a monopolistic system, as would be a Single Payer approach.

        Thanks for the softball pitch to hit out of the park.

        • May 22, 2017 at 5:56 pm
          Agent says:
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          Polar, I have two great friends who are veterans who almost died because of the extremely poor treatment they received at the VA in Shreveport. They both left and got the good treatment at private hospitals and are both now healthy. By the way, our new POTUS just fired the director of the Shreveport VA. He was there much too long.

          • May 23, 2017 at 4:56 pm
            RiceSusan Hacked the 2012 Election says:
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            The VA is Single Payer, Govt control & rationing of health care.

            Your friends took action to invoke ‘MORE PAYERS’ than one, and thus, saved their lives.

      • May 19, 2017 at 5:36 pm
        PolarBeaRepeal says:
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        PS tell us the probabilities of dying in the two situations. Cite credible stats. I’ll wait. Ready, steady, … GO!

      • May 22, 2017 at 6:26 am
        RiceSusan Hacked the 2012 Election says:
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        PS: I visited Cana-duh many times in business and personal vacation travel and know firsthand the many problems with their healthcare system. The VA is a parallel system.

        You can’t continue to lie when ALTERNATIVES TO THE LIBERAL MAINSTREAM MEDIA exist to disseminate the truth.

        Continue to lie, and you will continue to face opposition in the form of facts and truths.

    • May 23, 2017 at 5:20 pm
      Agent says:
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      2, it just came out that California wants Single Payer. After running numbers, it will only cost them $400 Billion to do it. Are they going to print their own money to pay for it? Ron thinks Single Payer is a great deal and would save money. Oops!

      • May 24, 2017 at 8:33 am
        Ron says:
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        1. Population of CA – ~40 million
        2. Cost of Single Payer – ~$400 Billion
        3. Cost per person – ~$10,000
        4. Most recent health care cost per person in U.S. – ~$10,000 (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/new-peak-us-health-care-spending-10345-per-person/)

        So, at no additional cost per person:
        1. Everyone is covered.
        2. Pre-existing conditions issue is addressed
        3. No in-network, out-of-network crap
        4. No more government administered health care (Medicaid, Medicare or VA that are constantly criticized by the right)
        5. Employers no longer need to administer this benefit.

        Sounds like a pretty good deal to me and any other open-minded, rational person.

        Sounds like a pretty good deal.

        • May 24, 2017 at 1:31 pm
          RiceSusan Hacked the 2012 Election says:
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          LOOOOOL at the ‘most recent HC costs are evaluated at 7/13/2016, almost 9 months ago.

          LOOOOOL at the PBS article projecting growth rates for HC costs at 5.8% when the true value has been close to +20%: i.e.

          http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/23/obamacare-on-federal-exchanges-increased-by-average-105-since-03-report.html

          Note that 2.05 ^ .25 = 1.193 —> +19.3% per annum.

          LOOOOL at PBS for being PBS… Progressive Bull Stuff.

          • May 24, 2017 at 1:36 pm
            Ron says:
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            All of that just makes Single Payer at ~$10,000 per person even more attractive.

          • May 24, 2017 at 5:50 pm
            RiceSusan Hacked the 2012 Election says:
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            impossible, and you know it.

            Which actuary society do you belong to, if any? Credentials are valued by university professors, except when they try to discredit professionals in the REAL world who have professional credentials such as CPCU, FAS, etc.

          • May 24, 2017 at 5:50 pm
            RiceSusan Hacked the 2012 Election says:
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            Liar, liar.
            ACA Exchanges’ are on fire!

        • May 24, 2017 at 3:41 pm
          bob says:
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          So essentially give away a $10,000 per year per person benefit, and don’t bring down the cost of insurance which is borderline unaffordable currently, and spread the cost all around. Also, work off a projection. Considering how far off projections have been, I’m not trusting this projection.

          Good idea. Or not.

          The free market would allow costs to come down, if put back to how it should be. A benefit then to those who cannot afford it is fair, and allows both systems.

          You are literally advocating not just to make insurance affordable as you word it, but to REMOVE competition, and to remove all other payers but one.

          I will ask you this:

          What is wrong with a combo of a deregulated OPTION for healthcare insurance, along with a minimal provision for this who cannot afford it?

          You want to destroy the whole insurance industry…Why? I need a good explanation as to why competition shouldn’t be allowed, period. That’s what you’re advocating for. Single payer removes this. There is no scenario in which single payer for the whole system make sense to anyone in the insurance industry. What role do you fill here?

        • May 24, 2017 at 5:54 pm
          RiceSusan Hacked the 2012 Election says:
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          LOOOL at naive approach of calculating AVG rate when the risk relativity spreads must be restored to maintain market equilibrium!

          Also, your ‘cost of SP’ of $400B is WAY off. Population of 40M is reasonable, except that it doesn’t count any UNDOCUMENTED Illegal Aliens who tap into the HC system.

          Fail. Go to HR and collect your last paycheck!

  • May 22, 2017 at 12:37 pm
    RiceSusan Hacked the 2012 Election says:
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    Boom! There goes the SP System proponent’s pipe dream, up in smoke!

    http://www.newsweek.com/quora-question-why-single-payer-healthcare-wont-work-611168?ref=yfp

    Excerpted:

    It’s a form of government rationing because budget restrictions create a shortage for everyone in the system, resulting in waiting lists that some patients never get off. Their citizens mostly accept that for non-emergencies because fortunately, as in the US, most people don’t require sophisticated or advanced medical care. When they cannot accept it, they leave the system and fund their own private healthcare.

    • May 22, 2017 at 4:28 pm
      MAGA says:
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      MASFSPHC.

      • May 23, 2017 at 8:03 pm
        RiceSusan Hacked the 2012 Election says:
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        MARSHMALLOWS

      • May 24, 2017 at 7:56 am
        PolarBeaRepeal says:
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        MASHEDPOTATOES.

        • May 24, 2017 at 4:11 pm
          bob says:
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          Confused,

          And this is what you reply to on this site…

          You wonder why you can’t have a debate on facts? It’s because you debate people who are now literally throwing out random words for the heck of it.

          I don’t even know what to say on this.

          Well, I may as well just say tomato when I debate you from now on Confused. Maybe then you’ll actually go back to facts.

          • May 24, 2017 at 4:35 pm
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            I’m confused. Why are you talking to me about how I don’t debate with facts when I haven’t even made a comment here? I don’t reply to this type of comment from Yogi, ever, and I did not here.

            But thanks for dragging me in and saying I don’t debate with facts and you should just reply with “tomato” next time we talk. That’s really on-topic and totally useful (end sarcasm)

          • May 24, 2017 at 4:50 pm
            Confused says:
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            Bob, so I totally get that you were calling out Yogi for his nonsensical posts and saying I chose to debate him, but I think you took an unnecessary dig at me.

            “I may as well just say tomato when I debate you…Maybe then you’ll actually go back to facts” implies that I don’t currently debate facts. You threw out an out-of-the-blue attack on my debate styles on a thread in which I wasn’t participating.

            I have asked Agent what I’m about to ask you, and he has done an excellent job with it (NO sarcasm that time). I respectfully ask you not to drag my name into conversations that I’m not participating in. I will certainly do the same for you.

          • May 24, 2017 at 5:38 pm
            Captain Planet says:
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            Sounds like Bob is out bullying again. I also have rules when it comes to Bob. I DO NOT EVER read anything he writes. I haven’t for years and am all the better for it. I keep seeing him try to bait me, or troll me, by replying to my posts and I just keep the Bob Blinders on.

  • May 24, 2017 at 8:05 am
    PolarBeaRepeal says:
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    Only 16 states have Dem Governors, thus the opening sentence referring to ‘over a dozen states AGs…’.

    They are contradicting THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE regarding the failed ACA.

    The other 34 AGs are complying with what the voters ‘instructed politicians to do’ on 11/8/16.



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