Exactly where is the electricity required to power these vehicles generated. I’ve asked some TESLA owners, and they point to the plug. And, what is the trade-in value when the replacement battery costs $20,000+.
First of all, the decision of the auto industry to migrate to electric was made about 5 years ago, when a president named Donnie was in office. Economists at Ford and GM predicted gasoline prices would exceed $10 per gallon by 2030 due to anticipated demand growth in China and India, and they did not feel sufficient gas powered light vehicles could be sold to maintain profitability. Ford started seeking tax abatements in 2019 before finally receiving incentives from Tennessee to build their 3600 acre battery plant now under construction near Memphis.
Secondly to Retired Risk Manager. Battery replacement should become a very infrequent event. Software already exists to identify cell chain units so that they can be replaced withing the battery assembly. Tesla hopes to develop software that can isolate damaged cells via satellite communicated commands. In any event specialty shops currently repair or rebuild batteries. If you do a search engine inquiry you will find numerous vendors who will sell/install a rebuilt battery for a Toyota Prius for about $2000. That is lass than a head gasket repair on many current cars.
I agree that we need more electricity production capacity, but more importantly an upgraded grid distribution system to accomodate the transition to electric vehicles.
Key words: “Tesla hopes to ….” “Battery replacement should become a very infrequent event”. Also, a Prius is not a 100% EV. It is a hybrid. Apples to Oranges.
Perhaps people who knew a hurricane was coming should have headed for safer ground.
ICE vehicles are essentially destroyed when flooded, btw, so there is that minor technicality.
My friend has two – and her electricity usage report shows that they use the most electricity during the overnight when the electric vehicles are charging. Despite all day using ovens, washers & driers, etc. These are a hazard being pushed to us at warp speed again.
They catch fire, crash into emergency vehicles, walls, people. and if you’re driving and the electric power is dying, the car dies. There’s no gas backup. it drives slow until it dies too. That is a hazard.
Not to mention the environmental destruction needed to make one battery. This article mentions 95 thousand electric vehicles in Florida alone. wow – the environmental destruction has occurred in a mass amount already.
This technology needs to be worked out over time – not at warp speed.
Who says this has to be accomplished by 2030? perhaps its those who want a one world tyranny.
So I guess ICE cars never get in accident or catch fire; glad to hear Petroleum production doesn’t hurt the environment. I guess “interested” also doesn’t know that you can run out of fuel ani a ICE car as well. Just spouting GQP and Big Oil talking points. The tyranny of talking points!
It is always interesting to see negative comments regarding oil production. The comments lead me to believe that they have never set foot on a drill rig or site of a producing well. In the oil boom in East Texas in the 1920’s, oil was actually pumped out into holding pits. One would think the ground was forever ruined. Not !!! It is impossible to see where that was done. And now, after a well is completed, the site must be returned to a pre-drilling condition. There are free flowing wells near me, that unless you know what you are looking at, you will not notice. If there is a pump-jack on the well, you will see that. The site is not awash in oil. Oil is money. You don’t waste money. And if that EV y’all so love runs out of energy, the AAA cannot bring you a can full of electricity. The car has to be towed.
I would agree that overall we’ve done a pretty good job, with some exceptions, of keeping oil contained at production sites and throughout supply lines. Although I am not sure if this is true in other countries. However oil is a limited resource and I have to think the best use of it, long term, is electric power generation, and not at the individual vehicle level. You have to admit that the electric vehicles do make sense from an ease of use and maintenance perspective ( no oil changes, anti freeze, etc) but battery technology must continue to make major advances for them to make sense. I suspect if this hadn’t turned into a political issue or Tesla hadn’t tried to “over achieve” with self driving technology, everyone on this blog may be closer to agreement.
“Oil is a limited resource”. We have been hearing that for many many decades. According to many “experts”, we should have run out of oil 20 -30 years ago. Yet, we keep finding new deposits. How does that happen? The interesting question is where does oil really come from? Is it really a fossil fuel or is there some creation mechanism that we have yet to discover. I’ve asked many a geologist that question. No one really knows.
October 18, 2022 at 12:48 pm
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SHOCKING! Electric vehicles use a lot of electricity when they’re charging!
95% of EVs can charge at home overnight on regular 110 volt AC electricity. In doing so, they use about as much electricity as a small electric heater or large air conditioner.
The crying over the strain on the grid from charging EVs is way overblown, and likely a rpoduct of oil company/ right wing propagandists.
The household uses the MOST when these are charging. The house is powered by fuel.
They use fuel to power the factories that build these cars. They use fueled heavy equipment to do the mining to destroy earth to get the raw minerals they need to make these. They truck the raw materials with heavy dump trucks using fuel on its way to the factory. Wind and solar are just not enough power to do these heavy industrial things.
The infrastructure for electric vehicles has been around for centuries. In the early 1900’s 28% of vehicles were electric. Why did we move from that? now we have these very dangerous batteries that are a hazard from start to finish. There must be a better way.
No, the problems created by nighttime charging of EVs are WAY overblown. Yes they use quite a bit of energy when charging overnight, but with the slow and steady transition from ICE to EVs over the next 15-20 years, you will be very unlikely to notice the difference. Facts matter. Even if the juice is generated from oil, an EV i \s more efficient than any ICE vehicle and will use far less fuel to charge than the ICE vehicle uses from its tank. Why? Because the best ICE vehicles on the planet waste 70% of the energy that goes into the engine.
Interesting that there is no mention of the golf cart fires. They are happening as well. Wonder what the “social media” was like in 1908 when the Model T rolled off the assembly line? Can hear it now – “there aren’t enough roads for these contraptions”, “there are no gas stations in rural areas”, etc. We’ll figure this out just like the auto industry did with MPG mandates.
Agreed. At the dawn of the automobile there were naysayers about them. “Why would you need one of those lousy things when you have a perfectly good horse and buggy?” My grandfather was basically one of those people: he thought my father was a “damn fool” when he bought the first tractor to work the land (my dad grew up working a team of horses, believe it or not).
Turner Classic Movies has shown a movie from 1927 that captured the issue of the transition from horses to motorcars, called The First Auto. It’s worth a look if they ever show it again.
And pollution…cities like New York, Boston, Philadelphia, etc., had multi-story high piles of horse manure that took up vacant city blocks, much of that eventually got dumped into rivers, and streets were constantly covered in dung.
Transportation has always had a pollution problem; electric vehicles aren’t any different in that respect. It’s amusing to see certain people “get woked” to the issue of pollution only when electric vehicles are the topic. Watch as they clutch their pearls in faux outrage.
EVs are not pollution free, but taking the entirety of the pollution generated over the life of the vehicles, EVs are cleaner for the environment and more fuel efficient than ICE vehicles, even if the electricity is generated by coal, which of course is far from the optimal source.
So no, ICE vehicles and EVs are NOT comparably destructive. ICE vehicles are far worse for the environment.
And people weren’t buying cars. They didn’t need them. The train and the bus took them where they needed. Then the trains went into disrepair, and whala, people started buying cars. Watch the documentary on “How Big Oil Conquered the World”. Pretty interesting.
Exactly where is the electricity required to power these vehicles generated. I’ve asked some TESLA owners, and they point to the plug. And, what is the trade-in value when the replacement battery costs $20,000+.
First of all, the decision of the auto industry to migrate to electric was made about 5 years ago, when a president named Donnie was in office. Economists at Ford and GM predicted gasoline prices would exceed $10 per gallon by 2030 due to anticipated demand growth in China and India, and they did not feel sufficient gas powered light vehicles could be sold to maintain profitability. Ford started seeking tax abatements in 2019 before finally receiving incentives from Tennessee to build their 3600 acre battery plant now under construction near Memphis.
Secondly to Retired Risk Manager. Battery replacement should become a very infrequent event. Software already exists to identify cell chain units so that they can be replaced withing the battery assembly. Tesla hopes to develop software that can isolate damaged cells via satellite communicated commands. In any event specialty shops currently repair or rebuild batteries. If you do a search engine inquiry you will find numerous vendors who will sell/install a rebuilt battery for a Toyota Prius for about $2000. That is lass than a head gasket repair on many current cars.
I agree that we need more electricity production capacity, but more importantly an upgraded grid distribution system to accomodate the transition to electric vehicles.
Key words: “Tesla hopes to ….” “Battery replacement should become a very infrequent event”. Also, a Prius is not a 100% EV. It is a hybrid. Apples to Oranges.
Perhaps people who knew a hurricane was coming should have headed for safer ground.
ICE vehicles are essentially destroyed when flooded, btw, so there is that minor technicality.
My friend has two – and her electricity usage report shows that they use the most electricity during the overnight when the electric vehicles are charging. Despite all day using ovens, washers & driers, etc. These are a hazard being pushed to us at warp speed again.
They catch fire, crash into emergency vehicles, walls, people. and if you’re driving and the electric power is dying, the car dies. There’s no gas backup. it drives slow until it dies too. That is a hazard.
Not to mention the environmental destruction needed to make one battery. This article mentions 95 thousand electric vehicles in Florida alone. wow – the environmental destruction has occurred in a mass amount already.
This technology needs to be worked out over time – not at warp speed.
Who says this has to be accomplished by 2030? perhaps its those who want a one world tyranny.
“one world tyranny?!” glad to see the Johnny Birch Society is alive and well…
So I guess ICE cars never get in accident or catch fire; glad to hear Petroleum production doesn’t hurt the environment. I guess “interested” also doesn’t know that you can run out of fuel ani a ICE car as well. Just spouting GQP and Big Oil talking points. The tyranny of talking points!
It is always interesting to see negative comments regarding oil production. The comments lead me to believe that they have never set foot on a drill rig or site of a producing well. In the oil boom in East Texas in the 1920’s, oil was actually pumped out into holding pits. One would think the ground was forever ruined. Not !!! It is impossible to see where that was done. And now, after a well is completed, the site must be returned to a pre-drilling condition. There are free flowing wells near me, that unless you know what you are looking at, you will not notice. If there is a pump-jack on the well, you will see that. The site is not awash in oil. Oil is money. You don’t waste money. And if that EV y’all so love runs out of energy, the AAA cannot bring you a can full of electricity. The car has to be towed.
I would agree that overall we’ve done a pretty good job, with some exceptions, of keeping oil contained at production sites and throughout supply lines. Although I am not sure if this is true in other countries. However oil is a limited resource and I have to think the best use of it, long term, is electric power generation, and not at the individual vehicle level. You have to admit that the electric vehicles do make sense from an ease of use and maintenance perspective ( no oil changes, anti freeze, etc) but battery technology must continue to make major advances for them to make sense. I suspect if this hadn’t turned into a political issue or Tesla hadn’t tried to “over achieve” with self driving technology, everyone on this blog may be closer to agreement.
“Oil is a limited resource”. We have been hearing that for many many decades. According to many “experts”, we should have run out of oil 20 -30 years ago. Yet, we keep finding new deposits. How does that happen? The interesting question is where does oil really come from? Is it really a fossil fuel or is there some creation mechanism that we have yet to discover. I’ve asked many a geologist that question. No one really knows.
SHOCKING! Electric vehicles use a lot of electricity when they’re charging!
95% of EVs can charge at home overnight on regular 110 volt AC electricity. In doing so, they use about as much electricity as a small electric heater or large air conditioner.
The crying over the strain on the grid from charging EVs is way overblown, and likely a rpoduct of oil company/ right wing propagandists.
The household uses the MOST when these are charging. The house is powered by fuel.
They use fuel to power the factories that build these cars. They use fueled heavy equipment to do the mining to destroy earth to get the raw minerals they need to make these. They truck the raw materials with heavy dump trucks using fuel on its way to the factory. Wind and solar are just not enough power to do these heavy industrial things.
The infrastructure for electric vehicles has been around for centuries. In the early 1900’s 28% of vehicles were electric. Why did we move from that? now we have these very dangerous batteries that are a hazard from start to finish. There must be a better way.
I failed to mention that the plugging in of the electric vehicles overnight more than doubled the electric bill of the home.
No, the problems created by nighttime charging of EVs are WAY overblown. Yes they use quite a bit of energy when charging overnight, but with the slow and steady transition from ICE to EVs over the next 15-20 years, you will be very unlikely to notice the difference. Facts matter. Even if the juice is generated from oil, an EV i \s more efficient than any ICE vehicle and will use far less fuel to charge than the ICE vehicle uses from its tank. Why? Because the best ICE vehicles on the planet waste 70% of the energy that goes into the engine.
Interesting that there is no mention of the golf cart fires. They are happening as well. Wonder what the “social media” was like in 1908 when the Model T rolled off the assembly line? Can hear it now – “there aren’t enough roads for these contraptions”, “there are no gas stations in rural areas”, etc. We’ll figure this out just like the auto industry did with MPG mandates.
Agreed. At the dawn of the automobile there were naysayers about them. “Why would you need one of those lousy things when you have a perfectly good horse and buggy?” My grandfather was basically one of those people: he thought my father was a “damn fool” when he bought the first tractor to work the land (my dad grew up working a team of horses, believe it or not).
Turner Classic Movies has shown a movie from 1927 that captured the issue of the transition from horses to motorcars, called The First Auto. It’s worth a look if they ever show it again.
And pollution…cities like New York, Boston, Philadelphia, etc., had multi-story high piles of horse manure that took up vacant city blocks, much of that eventually got dumped into rivers, and streets were constantly covered in dung.
Transportation has always had a pollution problem; electric vehicles aren’t any different in that respect. It’s amusing to see certain people “get woked” to the issue of pollution only when electric vehicles are the topic. Watch as they clutch their pearls in faux outrage.
EVs are not pollution free, but taking the entirety of the pollution generated over the life of the vehicles, EVs are cleaner for the environment and more fuel efficient than ICE vehicles, even if the electricity is generated by coal, which of course is far from the optimal source.
So no, ICE vehicles and EVs are NOT comparably destructive. ICE vehicles are far worse for the environment.
And people weren’t buying cars. They didn’t need them. The train and the bus took them where they needed. Then the trains went into disrepair, and whala, people started buying cars. Watch the documentary on “How Big Oil Conquered the World”. Pretty interesting.