According to our constant posters in another area, this was just an individual out for a good time. They shouldn’t be held responsible for this accident. After all, they could have been on their cell phone or eating while driving and really caused a tragedy. Drunk drivers just don’t get it. These types of horrible accidents happen frequently and impaired drivers need to be out of the driver’s seat.
Not to take away any responsibility from the driver, but what about the responsibility of the passenger for their own safety? What kind of idiot gets into a vehicle with a drunk driver?
what kind of idiot gets into the car? A drunken idiot. This is a tragic accident. I am not condoning what the driver did, but 4 years in prison seems excessive. Kids of this age believe they are indestructible and nothing will happen to them. I remember being that way too, but I did show some restraint and reason, and that and by the grace of god I am here today to watch my own two sons 17 & 20 go thru life. Good luck collecting on the 2.3million. I doubt they had that much insurance.
Just a thought on this lastbat – do you blame a woman that gets beat by her abusive husband, even she stayts with him? do you blame a rape victim when she wears heels or short skirt? you seem to blame the victim in this case and i can’t quit grasp why. Again just a thought with respect to the blame game. On a side note – i am surprise God wasn’t sued for causing a tree to grow near the highway and that every contractor was sued because of the fence….
I don’t think LB and for sure I, are putting all the blame on the victim. There is mutual blame here. But still a tragic death. I doubt the driver of the car forced the passenger into the vehicle. He went willingly, which in turn, he is partially to blame for his own actions. If he was sober and let his drunk friend drive, then he is even more responsible.
In this particular case, if the passenger was sober I think they have a responsibility to ensure their own safety by not riding with a drunk driver. It is the driver’s fault that the accident happened, but the passenger knowingly and willfully got into the care with a drunk driver so needs to shoulder their responsibility.
As for blaming victims in general, I only assign them the portion of responsibility they had control over. Using your examples I would blame a battered spouse for staying with the batterer because they can leave, they choose not to (for whatever reason). The batterer is wrong, but the victim isn’t doing anything to protect themself. A rape victim needs to practice some level of sense but unless he/she is walking naked through a halfway house full of convicted rapists I don’t see much else to assign responsibility for.
In general people need to follow reasonable precautions to protect themselves, e.g. not getting in the car with a drunk driver; not leaving their valuables where they can be easily stolen; not drinking and driving; not walking into traffic; not getting in reach of a chained attack dog; simple stuff.
This person was not an INNOCENT VICTIM of a DRUNK DRIVER
So we have the neo-prohibitionist MADD organization claiming there were 13k innocent victims of drunk drivers in 2007.
Out of the 13k deaths, over 10,200 of those accident were SINGLE VEHICLE ACCIDENTS where the drinking driver or passenger riding with the drinking driver were killed.
THESE ARE NOT INNOCENT VICTIMS OF DRUNK DRIVERS.
So we have only 17% (2,800) purported INNOCENT VICTIMS OF DDs in multi vehicle accidents. That according to MADD
But 17% is inflated since we can not automatically assign fault to the driver with a substance in their blood.
But all the pro-MADD folks out there say we need tougher laws to save all the INNOCENT VICTIMS, when in fact there are likely less than 1,300 annually.
Yesterday was the anniversary of the end of prohibition. Maybe as a society, we can make Dec 5, 2009 the end of the un-American neo-prohibitionist MADD organization.
But there are always those that will gladly give up their freedoms for a special interest group that is lobbying and legislating their profit under the guise of safety.
According to our constant posters in another area, this was just an individual out for a good time. They shouldn’t be held responsible for this accident. After all, they could have been on their cell phone or eating while driving and really caused a tragedy. Drunk drivers just don’t get it. These types of horrible accidents happen frequently and impaired drivers need to be out of the driver’s seat.
Not to take away any responsibility from the driver, but what about the responsibility of the passenger for their own safety? What kind of idiot gets into a vehicle with a drunk driver?
what kind of idiot gets into the car? A drunken idiot. This is a tragic accident. I am not condoning what the driver did, but 4 years in prison seems excessive. Kids of this age believe they are indestructible and nothing will happen to them. I remember being that way too, but I did show some restraint and reason, and that and by the grace of god I am here today to watch my own two sons 17 & 20 go thru life. Good luck collecting on the 2.3million. I doubt they had that much insurance.
Just a thought on this lastbat – do you blame a woman that gets beat by her abusive husband, even she stayts with him? do you blame a rape victim when she wears heels or short skirt? you seem to blame the victim in this case and i can’t quit grasp why. Again just a thought with respect to the blame game. On a side note – i am surprise God wasn’t sued for causing a tree to grow near the highway and that every contractor was sued because of the fence….
Mary,
I don’t think LB and for sure I, are putting all the blame on the victim. There is mutual blame here. But still a tragic death. I doubt the driver of the car forced the passenger into the vehicle. He went willingly, which in turn, he is partially to blame for his own actions. If he was sober and let his drunk friend drive, then he is even more responsible.
Mary,
In this particular case, if the passenger was sober I think they have a responsibility to ensure their own safety by not riding with a drunk driver. It is the driver’s fault that the accident happened, but the passenger knowingly and willfully got into the care with a drunk driver so needs to shoulder their responsibility.
As for blaming victims in general, I only assign them the portion of responsibility they had control over. Using your examples I would blame a battered spouse for staying with the batterer because they can leave, they choose not to (for whatever reason). The batterer is wrong, but the victim isn’t doing anything to protect themself. A rape victim needs to practice some level of sense but unless he/she is walking naked through a halfway house full of convicted rapists I don’t see much else to assign responsibility for.
In general people need to follow reasonable precautions to protect themselves, e.g. not getting in the car with a drunk driver; not leaving their valuables where they can be easily stolen; not drinking and driving; not walking into traffic; not getting in reach of a chained attack dog; simple stuff.
Hey lastbat, I think you may be my brother from another mother!. We think alot alike.
This person was not an INNOCENT VICTIM of a DRUNK DRIVER
So we have the neo-prohibitionist MADD organization claiming there were 13k innocent victims of drunk drivers in 2007.
Out of the 13k deaths, over 10,200 of those accident were SINGLE VEHICLE ACCIDENTS where the drinking driver or passenger riding with the drinking driver were killed.
THESE ARE NOT INNOCENT VICTIMS OF DRUNK DRIVERS.
So we have only 17% (2,800) purported INNOCENT VICTIMS OF DDs in multi vehicle accidents. That according to MADD
But 17% is inflated since we can not automatically assign fault to the driver with a substance in their blood.
But all the pro-MADD folks out there say we need tougher laws to save all the INNOCENT VICTIMS, when in fact there are likely less than 1,300 annually.
Yesterday was the anniversary of the end of prohibition. Maybe as a society, we can make Dec 5, 2009 the end of the un-American neo-prohibitionist MADD organization.
But there are always those that will gladly give up their freedoms for a special interest group that is lobbying and legislating their profit under the guise of safety.
Not me.
Your numbers are as phony as the ones you accuse MADD of making up. Who do you work for, the trial lawyers who defend drunks?