Anyones else out there tired of reading about the gay marriage crap? For a small minority, they make a lot of noise. But them all in a boat for key west!
If Maine law doesn’t work the way you want and expect it to, move to another state. If there is no place in the US that measures up to your expectations, move out of the country–just stop griping about these issues all of the time!!
Come on folks…as a gay person who is in a 6 year relationship…I would love to have the opportunity to mary legally. I know many gay persons with well over 15 years in their relationships.
I understand the arguments about opposition to the word “marriage”…and I support just making a civil marriage and church marriage seperate…meaning that if a church does not want to provide gay marriage that is fine with me. Just make sure that both have the same rights and responsibilities.
Truth is … until Federal rights are granted…it wont be equal. But everything starts somewhere.
For the record…I do not see the logic in the “marry my dog” arguments. That is just plain stupid to compare the two.
Agreed with CC. Law-abiding gay adults, regardless of gender, should have the same rights, opportunities and freedoms as all law-abiding adults.
The “well let’s just allow people to marry their dogs” is a straw-man argument used by homophobics or zealots who want to force religious beliefs on everyone.
We wouldn’t still be hearing the “griping” if this weren’t a problem that needed to be addressed – those of you who are “tired” of this issue being in the news.
It’s 2009… haven’t we learned yet that oppression doesn’t work in “the land of the free”?
Having an opinion today seems to be offensive to anyone have an opposing view! That is offensive to me. Regarding gay marriage, that is for each state to decide not the Federal Government. Please, please look up what the Federal Government was originally designed for. It is to defend and protect its citizens and nothing more! The rest is supposed to be up to the states. Look it up!
I’m all about freedom, but freedom has its limitations. We vote and most times, we get a majority. People don’t want to PAY for a small majority to feel that they can do whatever they want, regardless of public opinion. I’m not a religious zealot, just someone who is tired of hearing from a very small minoriy who want me to spend my tax dollars paying for their Freedoms.
Wow, who would have thought there were that many bigots out there in Insurance Land? The reason Gay and Lesbian people are a vocal minority is because they are discriminated against! I fail to see how anyone who isn’t bigoted can argue that they aren’t.
And as for telling them to move out of the state, could you be any less tolerant? If you are so “tired of hearing about it”, why don’t YOU move out of the state to somewhere where Gay & Lesbian Couples have equal rights…then you wouldn’t have to hear about it.
Unbelievable.
Well, if you move next to CC, and CC gets the rights he’s looking for, then you won’t have to hear about it anymore.
I think CC has it exactly right. Unfortunately, this issue has been hijacked by activist types who care more about Gov’t control, stamping out religion, quashing free speech, branding the bible as hate speech, then they do about the rights that CC is after.
In the public arena I mostly see a fight for the name and not the rights.
It’s time the governments in the states make gay couples accountable for the same stuff married couples are stuck with: i.e. debts for eachother, the “marriage penalty” in taxation, alimony, child support and on and on…
As a straight, I’m tired of being discriminated against.
Amen EDFA. God did not create man to be gay. If everyone in the world suddenly decides they’re gay, the population will eventually die out. I sincerely doubt that’s what God had in mind when he created us. Gay is wrong, if that makes me a bigot or homophobe so be it.
The Maine marriage law was amended to strike same sex prohibitions, while polygamy and polyandry remain illegal. So much for equality under the law.
And by the way, if a hetero guy was always making sure that everyone knew about the sexual proclivities he and his wife had, most people would find it objectionable and not want to have much to do with him. I guess that would make them “bigots” as well.
If I said I was a chicken, they would put me in a strait jacket. If I say I am a woman traped in a mans body, they want to protect me. Call me wierd, I just dont get this whole thing of being a victim of society when people are acting against natural laws of nature.
Its not hard to figure this out. You dont see homosexuality in nature.
Whether or not we see it in nature is not the point. Some animals eat one another alive, but that is not our example.
The best argument in natural law is that the opposite sexes are compatible.
If evolution were true, there should be an evolutionary reason for men being attracted to other men’s excretory organs, e.g., there should be something in it that tends to increase the chances of survivability.
If one believes in God, then one must look to divine revelation for a sanction of homosex, and one finds prohibitions there.
There is certainloy no benefit to society for gay “marriage.” Whether one believes in evolution or direct divine creation, there is no argument in favor of homosex at all, or for conferring benefits to its practitioners, except “I wanna do it and you gotta like it!”
A, I agree with what you stated. But humans do eat other animals alive. Nature is a pretty ugly thing sometimes. But homosexualality does not exist in nature.
I am religious, but there are those who are not and they do not care about our creator and the holy bible as we do. But everyone should agree that you dont see the horses have sex with cows or chickens and ducks or for that matter female and female or male and male species trying to procreate. It just does not happen.
It frustrates me to no end when someone uses religion as their sole argument to strip someone of the same basic rights they themselves enjoy as a human being.
There is a fine line between being entitled to your own opinion and passing judgment on others because their beliefs differ from your own. You don’t have to like gay marriage being legal; but you shouldn’t stand in other people’s way because of it.
–It frustrates me to no end when someone uses religion as their sole argument to strip someone of the same basic rights they themselves enjoy as a human being.–
Who’s being stripped of any rights? Any man can marry any woman who’ll have him, and vice versa. But no man has a right to marry a man, nor a woman a woman.
President Obooba agrees with me, by the way. At least he says he does.
As for religious objections, are you saying that someone who disagrees on secular grounds is acceptable, but an objection on religous grounds is somehow less tolerable?
–You don’t have to like gay marriage being legal; but you shouldn’t stand in other people’s way because of it.–
The same argument can be made by pedophiles, polygamists, incest practitioners, you name it. So you’re in good company.
You think same-sex couples enjoy the same exact rights as a man and a woman who are married to each other? The article above proves they don’t. All these people are asking for is the ability to share the same rights as any other couple, any other human being, regardless of sexual orientation and I support that request.
Denying human beings the same basic rights that others have based solely on sexual orientation is taking a giant step backwards in everything we have accomplished throughout history. What would have happened if slavery wasn’t abolished or women weren’t given the right to vote? Both of those groups were discriminated against unrightfully so based on a single characteristic each group had. The way the current laws are written same-sex couples find themselves in that position and all they are trying to do is put a stop to that. When slavery ended and women were allowed to vote do you think there was universal acceptance? I feel confident enough to say that answer is no. Change is sometimes scary but necessary.
With regard to your allegations that I am to be lumped in with criminals because I support same-sex marriage, there’s that fine line between judging and respecting other people’s differences. Your argument is a Red Herring. You are comparing all homosexuals to those defined as criminals under the court of law. While some criminals are homosexuals (e.g. male pedophiles that target young boys), there are many more that are not. Furthermore, pedophiles, for instance, take unwilling participants (victims) and force them to do something they do not want to do. Homosexuals who want to get married are willing participants whose actions only directly affect them. They are marrying each other; not all of society. Calling all homosexuals criminals is not a valid argument for the issue at hand. Al, I respect your beliefs that you think homosexuality is wrong and I am not trying to change your opinion. It’s not for me personally, but it’s not my life; it’s theirs. That is why I commented on not standing in the way even if you don’t like it.
–Denying human beings the same basic rights that others have based solely on sexual orientation is taking a giant step backwards in everything we have accomplished throughout history.–
Any man can marry any woman who will have him, and vice versa. No one has the right to “marry” two people, or five, or someone of the same sex, anymore than he has a right to marry his mother or aunt or daughter – or an eight year-old.
Every argument for allowing sodomists to “marry” can be used for polygamists, pedophiles, incest, you name it. The question is, do you want an ordered world or the fall of western civilization?
–Western civilization will not fall because members of the same sex can marry each other. I feel sorry for you if you believe that.–
Ok, so the daughter of my second wife marries my first wife while I’m still married to both of them. She (the daughter) marries her son too, who has three male wives, one of which is also married to my daughter’s son’s second husband – me.
If that multiplied by several million spells order to you, well it couldn’t possibly, but if you say it does, you’re just a fraud and an enemy of God and man.
Go ahead, tell me you want the scenario I described to be normal someday. And tell me why I’m paranoid for seeing it coming down the pike. And tell me on what basis polygamy could remain illegal once sodo-marriage is widespread, or why it should remain illegal for that matter.
I just think it is insulting to compare polygamy and incest and the likes of everything else you want to toss in there to homosexuality. You are trying to compare apples and oranges and I will never agree with your logic. If you want to think I am a bad person because of it, bring it on. I think you are narrow-minded, judgmental, arrogant and a bigot. Oh hell, why not toss in a religious zealot too! I believe in tolerance to a certain point. YOU have passed that point with your beliefs; not the gays and lesbians you are trying to suppress with your wild scenarios.
Anyones else out there tired of reading about the gay marriage crap? For a small minority, they make a lot of noise. But them all in a boat for key west!
If Maine law doesn’t work the way you want and expect it to, move to another state. If there is no place in the US that measures up to your expectations, move out of the country–just stop griping about these issues all of the time!!
I agree. Thank you!
Gay’s find Maine ‘unbearable’…Let me get this ‘straight’, they want the right to marry Bears now? What’s next, coffee tables?
Come on folks…as a gay person who is in a 6 year relationship…I would love to have the opportunity to mary legally. I know many gay persons with well over 15 years in their relationships.
I understand the arguments about opposition to the word “marriage”…and I support just making a civil marriage and church marriage seperate…meaning that if a church does not want to provide gay marriage that is fine with me. Just make sure that both have the same rights and responsibilities.
Truth is … until Federal rights are granted…it wont be equal. But everything starts somewhere.
For the record…I do not see the logic in the “marry my dog” arguments. That is just plain stupid to compare the two.
I completely agree! It really shouldn’t matter if you are gay or not, your choice to do so shouldn’t be taken away. This is why it’s such a big deal!!
Agreed with CC. Law-abiding gay adults, regardless of gender, should have the same rights, opportunities and freedoms as all law-abiding adults.
The “well let’s just allow people to marry their dogs” is a straw-man argument used by homophobics or zealots who want to force religious beliefs on everyone.
We wouldn’t still be hearing the “griping” if this weren’t a problem that needed to be addressed – those of you who are “tired” of this issue being in the news.
It’s 2009… haven’t we learned yet that oppression doesn’t work in “the land of the free”?
Having an opinion today seems to be offensive to anyone have an opposing view! That is offensive to me. Regarding gay marriage, that is for each state to decide not the Federal Government. Please, please look up what the Federal Government was originally designed for. It is to defend and protect its citizens and nothing more! The rest is supposed to be up to the states. Look it up!
I’m all about freedom, but freedom has its limitations. We vote and most times, we get a majority. People don’t want to PAY for a small majority to feel that they can do whatever they want, regardless of public opinion. I’m not a religious zealot, just someone who is tired of hearing from a very small minoriy who want me to spend my tax dollars paying for their Freedoms.
Wow, who would have thought there were that many bigots out there in Insurance Land? The reason Gay and Lesbian people are a vocal minority is because they are discriminated against! I fail to see how anyone who isn’t bigoted can argue that they aren’t.
And as for telling them to move out of the state, could you be any less tolerant? If you are so “tired of hearing about it”, why don’t YOU move out of the state to somewhere where Gay & Lesbian Couples have equal rights…then you wouldn’t have to hear about it.
Unbelievable.
KLS who is asking anyone to pay? Your point does not make sense…no one is asking anyone to pay for anything…just to be allowed to marry!
Tony,
You are clearly more intolerant than those you so easily label “bigot”. It is such a sad attack and double standard.
If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man.
–Pudd’nhead Wilson
Well, if you move next to CC, and CC gets the rights he’s looking for, then you won’t have to hear about it anymore.
I think CC has it exactly right. Unfortunately, this issue has been hijacked by activist types who care more about Gov’t control, stamping out religion, quashing free speech, branding the bible as hate speech, then they do about the rights that CC is after.
In the public arena I mostly see a fight for the name and not the rights.
It’s time the governments in the states make gay couples accountable for the same stuff married couples are stuck with: i.e. debts for eachother, the “marriage penalty” in taxation, alimony, child support and on and on…
As a straight, I’m tired of being discriminated against.
I think you meant HTS.
(And I also don’t understand the “pay for” thing, myself.)
Just wanted to make it clear that I agree with you – I’m pro equal rights.
Amen EDFA. God did not create man to be gay. If everyone in the world suddenly decides they’re gay, the population will eventually die out. I sincerely doubt that’s what God had in mind when he created us. Gay is wrong, if that makes me a bigot or homophobe so be it.
The Maine marriage law was amended to strike same sex prohibitions, while polygamy and polyandry remain illegal. So much for equality under the law.
And by the way, if a hetero guy was always making sure that everyone knew about the sexual proclivities he and his wife had, most people would find it objectionable and not want to have much to do with him. I guess that would make them “bigots” as well.
Is it just me, or is anyone else sick of hearing about queers being victims.
Just get back in the closet!
If I said I was a chicken, they would put me in a strait jacket. If I say I am a woman traped in a mans body, they want to protect me. Call me wierd, I just dont get this whole thing of being a victim of society when people are acting against natural laws of nature.
Its not hard to figure this out. You dont see homosexuality in nature.
Bill-
You’re in good company.
-Al
Whether or not we see it in nature is not the point. Some animals eat one another alive, but that is not our example.
The best argument in natural law is that the opposite sexes are compatible.
If evolution were true, there should be an evolutionary reason for men being attracted to other men’s excretory organs, e.g., there should be something in it that tends to increase the chances of survivability.
If one believes in God, then one must look to divine revelation for a sanction of homosex, and one finds prohibitions there.
There is certainloy no benefit to society for gay “marriage.” Whether one believes in evolution or direct divine creation, there is no argument in favor of homosex at all, or for conferring benefits to its practitioners, except “I wanna do it and you gotta like it!”
Liberals scream victim, so much it is becoming an everday occurence.
Lets see,
Kill a baby, thats ok
Protect a guys right to wear a dress, Ok
Torture a terrorist – NO.
Hmmmm?
A, I agree with what you stated. But humans do eat other animals alive. Nature is a pretty ugly thing sometimes. But homosexualality does not exist in nature.
I am religious, but there are those who are not and they do not care about our creator and the holy bible as we do. But everyone should agree that you dont see the horses have sex with cows or chickens and ducks or for that matter female and female or male and male species trying to procreate. It just does not happen.
It frustrates me to no end when someone uses religion as their sole argument to strip someone of the same basic rights they themselves enjoy as a human being.
There is a fine line between being entitled to your own opinion and passing judgment on others because their beliefs differ from your own. You don’t have to like gay marriage being legal; but you shouldn’t stand in other people’s way because of it.
–It frustrates me to no end when someone uses religion as their sole argument to strip someone of the same basic rights they themselves enjoy as a human being.–
Who’s being stripped of any rights? Any man can marry any woman who’ll have him, and vice versa. But no man has a right to marry a man, nor a woman a woman.
President Obooba agrees with me, by the way. At least he says he does.
As for religious objections, are you saying that someone who disagrees on secular grounds is acceptable, but an objection on religous grounds is somehow less tolerable?
–You don’t have to like gay marriage being legal; but you shouldn’t stand in other people’s way because of it.–
The same argument can be made by pedophiles, polygamists, incest practitioners, you name it. So you’re in good company.
You think same-sex couples enjoy the same exact rights as a man and a woman who are married to each other? The article above proves they don’t. All these people are asking for is the ability to share the same rights as any other couple, any other human being, regardless of sexual orientation and I support that request.
Denying human beings the same basic rights that others have based solely on sexual orientation is taking a giant step backwards in everything we have accomplished throughout history. What would have happened if slavery wasn’t abolished or women weren’t given the right to vote? Both of those groups were discriminated against unrightfully so based on a single characteristic each group had. The way the current laws are written same-sex couples find themselves in that position and all they are trying to do is put a stop to that. When slavery ended and women were allowed to vote do you think there was universal acceptance? I feel confident enough to say that answer is no. Change is sometimes scary but necessary.
With regard to your allegations that I am to be lumped in with criminals because I support same-sex marriage, there’s that fine line between judging and respecting other people’s differences. Your argument is a Red Herring. You are comparing all homosexuals to those defined as criminals under the court of law. While some criminals are homosexuals (e.g. male pedophiles that target young boys), there are many more that are not. Furthermore, pedophiles, for instance, take unwilling participants (victims) and force them to do something they do not want to do. Homosexuals who want to get married are willing participants whose actions only directly affect them. They are marrying each other; not all of society. Calling all homosexuals criminals is not a valid argument for the issue at hand. Al, I respect your beliefs that you think homosexuality is wrong and I am not trying to change your opinion. It’s not for me personally, but it’s not my life; it’s theirs. That is why I commented on not standing in the way even if you don’t like it.
–Denying human beings the same basic rights that others have based solely on sexual orientation is taking a giant step backwards in everything we have accomplished throughout history.–
Any man can marry any woman who will have him, and vice versa. No one has the right to “marry” two people, or five, or someone of the same sex, anymore than he has a right to marry his mother or aunt or daughter – or an eight year-old.
Every argument for allowing sodomists to “marry” can be used for polygamists, pedophiles, incest, you name it. The question is, do you want an ordered world or the fall of western civilization?
“The reason Gay and Lesbian people are a vocal minority is because they are NARCISSISTS!”
Fixed it for ya.
Western civilization will not fall because members of the same sex can marry each other. I feel sorry for you if you believe that.
–Western civilization will not fall because members of the same sex can marry each other. I feel sorry for you if you believe that.–
Ok, so the daughter of my second wife marries my first wife while I’m still married to both of them. She (the daughter) marries her son too, who has three male wives, one of which is also married to my daughter’s son’s second husband – me.
If that multiplied by several million spells order to you, well it couldn’t possibly, but if you say it does, you’re just a fraud and an enemy of God and man.
I would rather be a fraud and an enemy to God and man than be as paranoid as you appear to be.
Go ahead, tell me you want the scenario I described to be normal someday. And tell me why I’m paranoid for seeing it coming down the pike. And tell me on what basis polygamy could remain illegal once sodo-marriage is widespread, or why it should remain illegal for that matter.
I guess your motto is “see no evil.”
I just think it is insulting to compare polygamy and incest and the likes of everything else you want to toss in there to homosexuality. You are trying to compare apples and oranges and I will never agree with your logic. If you want to think I am a bad person because of it, bring it on. I think you are narrow-minded, judgmental, arrogant and a bigot. Oh hell, why not toss in a religious zealot too! I believe in tolerance to a certain point. YOU have passed that point with your beliefs; not the gays and lesbians you are trying to suppress with your wild scenarios.