Will someone explain to me the theory behind “hate crime” legislation? Why is one murder worse than another? This has never made sense to me. All crimes involve hate, not just crimes against minorities. Why a special class?
I am sometimes labeled a liberal (incorrectly) but even I have a tough time understanding why a hate crime murder is any worse than any other type of murder. Are the victims any less dead?
By the way, in all the news articles I have seen regarding this case, no one seems to point out if the victim (as it WAS truly sad) was a legal or illegal immigrant, not that it would matter, but I am curious.
I agree, what exactly is the difference between a “hate” crime and a “get to know you” crime?
All crime is “hate” crime, does anyone out there disagree???
I hate what happened here but I can’t help but laugh at the statement “A lot of these kids felt they were supported by legislators”. Do really think they knew who their legislators were/are? Do they know what a legislator is?
Also known as “thought crime,” because if you are thinking certain thoughts when you’re stabbing a guy the govt hates you more than if you were thinking other thoughts.
The premise is that a hate crime is intended to not only harm the immediate victim, but “send a message” to others in their demographic (i.e. gays, immigrants, republicans, etc.) to instill fear to an entire group. I am not =saying whether it works as a deterrant or not, but that is the logic.
Al,
That may be true, but at least Democrats respond to the wishes of their constiuents. I am waiting for the Republicans to ban flag burning, gay marriage and abortion, institute tort reform, and a host of other issues they say they will do to get votes, but really do not care about. After they are elected, you never hear them talk about those issues until re-election time.
It really goes to motive in determining the type of crime that will be charged. A hate crime is especially heinous since the only motive is a person’s ethnicity, gender, religion, or sexual orientation. Yes, the victim is still just as dead, but the reason why is the difference.
ok, they are right that hate crime sends a message to others of that secular, whether religion or race for example. these crimes come with a higher penalty if found guilty.
now, as far as them suing the NY Authorities, i don’t that going very far. but for the families that these teenagers belong to, i can see that going for quite sometime. maybe that can send a far greater message. problem, if you don’t charge them as an adult, then you can go after the families of these teens. if you charge them as an adult, then you can only go after that person alone for any assets he/she might have. so there becomes a dilema.
problem is that many people rely on the police to protect themselves, where the people if standing together can help put gangs out of business. we can put together a true melting pot. at least that is the way it should be. we can’t be protected 100% by the police. hopefully this exposure will tell teens, not appropriate to act this way. it would be nice, if we could live together and share the fun together. hate is not a good thing.
Municipal police are not personal bodyguards to immigrants. At age 39, this guy should have know there were gangs of punks preying on Hispanics. Being at a train station at midnight is just inviting trouble.
The punks who committed the crime are products of their race and upbringing. Their parents failed. Blame the punks and their parents. We all know this is totally about the money. A free shot for the family to make it big compliments of the U.S.A.
And when a Hispanic or black kills a white, why isn’t that a “hate crime”?
Will someone explain to me the theory behind “hate crime” legislation? Why is one murder worse than another? This has never made sense to me. All crimes involve hate, not just crimes against minorities. Why a special class?
I am sometimes labeled a liberal (incorrectly) but even I have a tough time understanding why a hate crime murder is any worse than any other type of murder. Are the victims any less dead?
By the way, in all the news articles I have seen regarding this case, no one seems to point out if the victim (as it WAS truly sad) was a legal or illegal immigrant, not that it would matter, but I am curious.
I agree, what exactly is the difference between a “hate” crime and a “get to know you” crime?
All crime is “hate” crime, does anyone out there disagree???
I hate what happened here but I can’t help but laugh at the statement “A lot of these kids felt they were supported by legislators”. Do really think they knew who their legislators were/are? Do they know what a legislator is?
Also known as “thought crime,” because if you are thinking certain thoughts when you’re stabbing a guy the govt hates you more than if you were thinking other thoughts.
Hadn’t thought about that….wait…just did….crap!
The premise is that a hate crime is intended to not only harm the immediate victim, but “send a message” to others in their demographic (i.e. gays, immigrants, republicans, etc.) to instill fear to an entire group. I am not =saying whether it works as a deterrant or not, but that is the logic.
The only thing “hate crime” bills are designed to do is pander to constituencies of the Democrat Party. Period.
Al,
That may be true, but at least Democrats respond to the wishes of their constiuents. I am waiting for the Republicans to ban flag burning, gay marriage and abortion, institute tort reform, and a host of other issues they say they will do to get votes, but really do not care about. After they are elected, you never hear them talk about those issues until re-election time.
It really goes to motive in determining the type of crime that will be charged. A hate crime is especially heinous since the only motive is a person’s ethnicity, gender, religion, or sexual orientation. Yes, the victim is still just as dead, but the reason why is the difference.
ok, they are right that hate crime sends a message to others of that secular, whether religion or race for example. these crimes come with a higher penalty if found guilty.
now, as far as them suing the NY Authorities, i don’t that going very far. but for the families that these teenagers belong to, i can see that going for quite sometime. maybe that can send a far greater message. problem, if you don’t charge them as an adult, then you can go after the families of these teens. if you charge them as an adult, then you can only go after that person alone for any assets he/she might have. so there becomes a dilema.
problem is that many people rely on the police to protect themselves, where the people if standing together can help put gangs out of business. we can put together a true melting pot. at least that is the way it should be. we can’t be protected 100% by the police. hopefully this exposure will tell teens, not appropriate to act this way. it would be nice, if we could live together and share the fun together. hate is not a good thing.
In other words, the thoughts of the criminal are the important part, not the victim. Wow, it took a while for 1984 to get here.
Municipal police are not personal bodyguards to immigrants. At age 39, this guy should have know there were gangs of punks preying on Hispanics. Being at a train station at midnight is just inviting trouble.
The punks who committed the crime are products of their race and upbringing. Their parents failed. Blame the punks and their parents. We all know this is totally about the money. A free shot for the family to make it big compliments of the U.S.A.
And when a Hispanic or black kills a white, why isn’t that a “hate crime”?