New Jersey Sex Assault Victim Wants College Held Liable

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  • January 11, 2019 at 1:18 pm
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    • January 11, 2019 at 1:33 pm
      rob says:
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      Now I know you don’t mean that.

      if either of my daughters was sexually assaulted at school, you’re damn right I’m going after the fraternity, its members, the school, and anyone even remotely connected to it. The fact that a woman was intoxicated at a frat party is not an invitation for sexual assault.

      to quote Bill Engvall, “That’s my little girl. I don’t mind going back to prison for her.”

    • January 11, 2019 at 1:34 pm
      Jack King says:
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      Pub. I agree that this lawsuit is going after the deep pockets, which is the college. However to say that she should have expected to be raped because she was drunk is extreme. Yes, her drinking excessively contributed to the rape, but not every drunk at a party gets taken advantage of, nor should they expect it.

      • January 11, 2019 at 2:59 pm
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        Jack, her drinking did not contribute to her being raped. It contributed to her inability to think clearly. Her drinking did not make anybody of immoral character rape her. That’s all on the rapists.

        • January 17, 2019 at 4:35 pm
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          This foolishness needs to end.

          No, her drinking did not force anybody to rape her, but it makes it easier for rapists to do so.

          To tell daughters there is no risk to drinking too much at a party is so irresponsible I cannot believe it, just to be able to say the catch phrase: Drinking didn’t contribute to her getting raped (a blatant lie).

          The statement isn’t a stain on her character, it’s about prudence and managing risk.

          I will be telling my daughter not to drink at parties, especially frat parties, and to know the people she drinks with, and not to drink in excess, and I will most of all tell her THIS WILL MINIMIZE YOUR RISK OF BEING RAPED.

          You fools are instead trying to send her off with a bottle of tequila, and tell her if someone does indeed rape her, she just needs to know it wasn’t because she was drunk. It’s faux sympathy, and reactive, rather than proactive.

          • January 18, 2019 at 2:43 pm
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            Bob,

            Nobody is trying to send their daughters off with a message it OK to drink to excess. What we are trying to do is change the culture where it’s not acceptable to Rape or take advantage of anybody because they are inebriated. Instead we expect everybody to follow the law (Rape is a crime) and attached penalties for those who don’t, be the penalties be criminal and/or financial, to those violating others.

            Basically, we’re try to grow-up and evolve from the good old boy attitude that it’s OK for men/boys to take advantage of other if the opportunity puts them in a position to do so.

            Personally I’m offended by the attitude that rape crime victims deserve it because they decide to have a drink or more. Drinking is not illegal but rape is.

            Strange that when you hear of a man getting raped by other men while intoxicated that the raped man is a victim and holds no fault. However, if the victim is a women, she hold at minimum partial fault.

            Just pointing out the BS.

          • January 18, 2019 at 6:02 pm
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            “What we are trying to do is change the culture where it’s not acceptable to Rape or take advantage of anybody because they are inebriated. ”

            NO ONE IS MAKING THIS ARGUMENT.

            “She goes to a fraternity party. She gets drunk. And then she’s surprised when a couple of the louts take advantage of her?”

            Is literally exactly what I just said, colorfully worded. While you think it makes you a good person to then say the person is saying the rape is ok, no one said that, and it’s you being a bad person, a narcissist, and someone trying to clap their hands for a victory they didn’t win, just so you can say “rape is bad, m’kay? Did you know that?”.

            You attacked a human in a way you should not. It is not acceptable, and they way you attacked does indeed cause the scenarios I have myself seen, in which a woman says that it is victim shaming to be prudent.

            “Basically, we’re try to grow-up and evolve from the good old boy attitude that it’s OK for men/boys to take advantage of other if the opportunity puts them in a position to do so. ”

            This never existed. This is a vast minority which has remained a minority, and by the studies, if anything has gone down from 1995- 2017. There is no crises in this area, you’re fighting the wrong person. What you just said is not fighting the fight you claim to fight.

            “Personally I’m offended by the attitude that rape crime victims deserve it because they decide to have a drink or more. Drinking is not illegal but rape is. ”

            I have only met one person who has ever said someone deserved to be raped, the person above did not say that. He colorfully said, she should have realized there was risk.

            Do you want to know the one person I have ever seen say this? And the one gender I have ever seen close to saying it?

            It was my mother, in regards to her daughter. There is no good ol’ boys club. Women shame each other quite well.

            The others who almost did were all women. I realize this is all anecdotal, but so is your nonsense.

            “Strange that when you hear of a man getting raped by other men while intoxicated that the raped man is a victim and holds no fault. However, if the victim is a women, she hold at minimum partial fault. ”

            You are making a lot of assumptions, and that is yet another unacceptable personal attack. You mean generalized you, and what you just said, is not true. When you hear more people saying basically, “Women really need to stop drinking at parties,” it’s not that they are saying they want to blame women and hate them, which the way you take it is toxic. Do you want to know why you hear it more often? It is because men perceive this is a serious threat to women, so they will often say essentially “Why do women keep taking these risks?” it acknowledges the risk, it doesn’t stain the woman.

            “Just pointing out the BS.”

            No you’re not, you’re trying to believe you’re the hero who is going to stop the big bad rape crises. There is no rape crises, there is no good ol’ boy culture league of rapists. People rape, bad people, and it is not a side affect of some conspiracy with other bad people to oppress women and it is not acceptable on the DL.

            And if you want to talk about the good ol boy network, how about these numbers for you? This is a human issue, there is no good ol boy network. You are full of nonsense, and evidently, hate for men.

            https://ncadv.org/blog/posts/domestic-violence-and-the-lgbtq-community?fbclid=IwAR3pioBgV66kdaO2aoKKN2D6Lb-Kyrf2eiOQHV7WHxNkSWdZCH52P5a7mu4

            1. 43.8% of lesbian women and 61.1% of bisexual women have experienced rape, physical violence, and/or stalking by an intimate partner at some point in their lifetime, as opposed to 35% of heterosexual women.

            2. 26% of gay men and 37.3% of bisexual men have experienced rape, physical violence, and/or stalking by an intimate partner in their lifetime, in comparison to 29% of heterosexual men.
            In a study of male same sex relationships, only 26% of men called the police for assistance after experiencing near-lethal violence.

            The best way to understand the affect of gender, is to go to one gender relationships. The woman are much more likely to sexually assault each other than the men.

            Of course, the men also under report, so, it may be closer in the end, but there is no good ol’ boys who like to rape. This is a people issue.

            htt ps://avp.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/ncavp_2012_ipvreport.final_.pdf

            And here is a second link confirming the rough 50% sexual assault and rape number.

            Two studies.

            You’re not stopping the good ol’ boys. You don’t even know what the problem is, and you’re essentially sexist. Good for you.

          • January 18, 2019 at 6:07 pm
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            And more importantly, the numbers seem to suggest that when rape happens, the men are more likely to be ashamed and hide it.

            You implied that women are told they caused their rape, or are told it more often. If that was true, I highly doubt that men would be more likely to hide the fact that they were raped. Pressure is why they hide it after all.

            There is no double standard against women with rape, in fact, it goes the other way if anything.

            Rape numbers are constantly manipulated and lied about, even Christina Hoff Somers, an equality of opportunity feminist who used to be a part of NOW, has started speaking against this stating most recently that the numbers the FBI have worked up to account for underreporting, are about 1/53 women will be raped or sexually assaulted. She still considers these numbers too high, but she also notes that the way they ask questions is a problem. For example, it might ask if you have ever been sexually touched without consent. This might include your current boyfriend, who you want to touch you, who never asks as you have been together for a year. Stating well yes, is true, but it’s also true that isn’t assault. So we have problems with these studies as it is, but 1/53 is about 2%. There is no rape and sexual assault crises, and I’m tired of the lies regarding it.

          • January 18, 2019 at 6:09 pm
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            In fact, my study above is likely wrong in regards to the homosexual relationships, but, they both have the same error and the same test questions.

            So, the larger amount in women means it still is larger in general, even if I don’t agree with the entire study.

            The fact that men were shown to underreport in that same study would be accurate as well, to some degree, and means there must be a pressure as to why they are more likely to under report.

          • January 18, 2019 at 6:14 pm
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            I guess however, Ron will continue, as will Rosenblatt, as will the left here to say I never quote numbers and I never go over them.

            Then label the things I say as sexist, and marginalize me as a person.

            This is why what you just did is wrong. You are marginalizing a person. On a wide scale basis it causes even more damage, because as I said, we have actual school feminists calling questions that FBI does regarding a rape, victim shaming, rather than assuming they are investigating the claim. If you have not seen this go google it. You can watch the videos, and you can see the college educated professors and students complaining about it. They complain constantly stating that telling someone not to drink at a party as a means to risk reduction is victim shaming, and they instead say we need to teach men not to rape, rather than be proactive. Your nonsense supports that.

            How old are you? I have seen this take off, I’m 33, I finally revealed my age after years being here. I highly doubt you are younger if you do not know of this in the schools. I had younger siblings and friends from those siblings, I would say this really exploded in line with Obama, around 2010. You have no idea how out of control it is. Millennials just missed it, they were just fairly ignorant on the issues, and anyone older had a normal college scenario. Anyone who went to college 2009-2017 is seeing this nonsense spat out from college professors, and I have to keep emphasizing this, this isn’t some non vocal off person. It is someone who is very prevalent and has power over the teaching agenda, and currently teaches that it is victim shaming to state a means of not getting raped is to not drink at parties where you don’t know people. That is what I’m fighting, and it’s literally being taught in schools. You are fighting someone who spoke colorfully, do grow up, narcissist.

  • January 11, 2019 at 1:52 pm
    Stephen Tallinghasternathy, MD says:
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  • January 16, 2019 at 1:47 pm
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    A friend of mine daughter was raped while at college. No amount of money will ever erase that experience.
    This girl is going to have to relive the “experience” time and time again with all the ugly details being repeated over and over in open court.
    Rock and a hard spot for people in that situation. Relive it for a potential pay day just to elongate the healing process or just start moving past it.
    In my friends situation, not enough evidence of rape as the offender claimed consensual. A he said / she said situation.
    Its a shame how someones actions have life long consequences on others. No consideration of the consequences of their actions.
    Alcohol was involved.

  • January 16, 2019 at 5:02 pm
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    Interesting thought: Nationally recorded rapes have gone up by a factor of 9 times since 1960. The population is slightly more than double since 1960. What happened? I agree that some of it was under-reporting, but by that much? I don’t think so. A news story about the gang raping of a drunk woman doesn’t seem so surprising today, for some reason.

    • January 17, 2019 at 3:00 pm
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      My personal opinion is that with this being on the news more often and the surge of support groups and more, more and more will be reported. I know other women that I suspect / know for sure went through some sort of Sexual trauma but never reported. At least 2 that I know of for sure but possibly 2 more that I suspect something went a muck. The ones I know for sure just “live with it”. As the years go by, seems it chews at their guts harder and harder.

    • January 17, 2019 at 4:46 pm
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      This is not true, and the people who have been manipulating this statistic tick me off.

      I have two charts and data points, and then the definition of rape changed in 2013. It removed the word forcible, and added “without consent” and this would expand rape to being drunk while having sex. Rape is now being over reported, and women, due to social pressure and slut shaming by the left, are now instead of saying they weren’t raped when they had drunk sex, are more ashamed of the drunk sex and are calling it rape since they were drunk, and are calling themselves victims. Now, I’m not by any stretch of the imagination saying ALL, but rape in these numbers is rated on a factor of per hundred thousand, if even 5% of total women who drank and had sex did this (rather than 5% of raped women as that would be a vastly lower number) it would have a dramatic effect on the per hundred thousand rate, as then you might have 10% of women who lost their virginity while drunk, and felt pressure (whether the man caused that pressure by intent or not, that is the whole argument behind asking consent, that as a man you probably don’t know and the girl might just cede having sex because she’s had more to drink than either of you realize and she feels threatened while drunk so just has sex, and again, this is not ALL women but I have heard countless stories in this field so it would affect the per hundred thousand rate). So, after this 2013 change, rapes have started to bump up. The same thing happened in the UK when they changed the definition of rape. It is still however low, and lowered over the 1995 aggregate time frame. At no point did it rise by 9 times in any of these charts and they cover about 43 years. What you are saying is patently false, unless you include the studies which modify the question even further to expand sexual assault. It can be have you ever been touched in a sexual way without permission? And they don’t even ask if for example, did you want that touch, and did it go on into a relationship. So, let’s say you’ve been dating 4 months, and the guy during a make out session touches your butt. That would be in the number, but it’s not assault typically. These people are manipulating the numbers to fabricate a crises. New age kids aren’t any more likely to rape than the last generation, both millennial to baby boomer and millennial to Z.

      htt ps://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/SOO.PDF
      ht tp s://www.statista.com/statistics/191226/reported-forcible-rape-rate-in-the-us-since-1990/
      ht tps://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/rape

    • January 17, 2019 at 4:51 pm
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      Now, that’s not to say a woman who has sex when drunk wasn’t violated in some way, but there are also times when the women wasn’t forced upon either, she was merely drunk and felt taken advantage of, even though let’s say the guy was also drunk. I saw a case I believe it was in the UK, they were both drunk of their rear end, the woman didn’t even remember it, and called it rape because she was drunk.

      The woman wasn’t there enough to give consent (but still willingly had sex) and the guy couldn’t apparently accept her having sex, but, was not apparently too drunk to be negligent in accepting her offer, so he was held to a higher standard while drunk than the girl was.

      It was outrageous, and I would bet that many of these times both the parties were drunk, again, not all, but enough to modify the numbers. I have been aggressively pursued while drunk many times. What if I had sex with that also drunk woman and she after the fact felt it was rape since she was too drunk to make the choice?

      In fact, I’ve had this happen, when I didn’t have sex, and the woman who was too drunk to remember much didn’t remember I stopped her advances. She saw it as me accepting them while she was too drunk to be giving them, so I was bad. But no, I was pushing her off me, and it happened multiple times with different women. Most the men I hung out around didn’t have sex with drunk women. It wasn’t even a matter of respect, it was a matter of safety. There were literally player men who used women, and they said they absolutely do not ever have sex with women when they have drank. It is far too much of a risk, and that was way back in 2006. The problem grew far more beyond that.

      • January 17, 2019 at 4:56 pm
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        It’s hard to even word what I said about the drunk girl and drunk guy, I was talking in the eyes of the court, and in the eyes of reality at the same time.

        The court saw that he was not too drunk apparently to be held up to par for accepting advances from a drunk woman. But he was indeed just as drunk as the girl. The girl was too drunk to give consent to the court. The guy, apparently, it didn’t matter that he was too drunk. He was till a rapist. His level of drunk was not considered when he accepted her advances. Her level was considered, to call it rape. It’s outrageous. If she can’t make good decisions while drunk in terms of giving out advances, neither can he be held to the standard of rejecting advances when drunk, knowing the woman just is too drunk as he’s drunk.

        They way they ruled it, and they even said it was sad, was essentially that they understood the man didn’t do anything wrong, it’s just a sad thing that the woman was indeed victimized as they said it, and someone had to be held accountable. that’s a scary logic.

        • January 22, 2019 at 11:23 am
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          Bob,

          You’re wrong about the Good ‘Ole Boys. Do you now recall a video where by some powerful people thought it was ok to “Grab her by the P*ssy”. That’s sexual assault. Also when a rape victim does report it and by some chance ( depending on area in happen in – Statics show 10-30% of the time) the case makes it to court, why then is the victims behavior and sexual history allowed to be questioned. In Court’s you’re not allowed to bring into question a criminals past crimes in the trial phase when prosecuting but are allowed to bring in a victims reason to be somewhere, dress someway, etc.

          • January 22, 2019 at 2:06 pm
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            “You’re wrong about the Good ‘Ole Boys.”

            No I’m not. There is no group of men attitude that has made it ok to rape women.

            ” Do you now recall a video where by some powerful people thought it was ok to “Grab her by the P*ssy”. ”

            I already directed this below.

            ” That’s sexual assault.”

            Not in the context of how it was stated.

            “lso when a rape victim does report it and by some chance ( depending on area in happen in – Statics show 10-30% of the time) the case makes it to court, why then is the victims behavior and sexual history allowed to be questioned.”

            Because presumption of innocence comes first.

            ” In Court’s you’re not allowed to bring into question a criminals past crimes in the trial phase when prosecuting but are allowed to bring in a victims reason to be somewhere, dress someway, etc.”

            HAH!

            Yes you are, if it is relevant to the crime. In regards to what you’re saying, you are being misleading. They do not in public courts say “she wore a dress!”

            You are blurring police questioning of people who went through rape, which does include what was the assailant wearing and what were you wearing, because those are asked of everybody (including people who are assaulted without sexual aspects, like mugged) into trials. They do not say in court: Were you wearing a dress?

            But they may ask,

            “Were you drinking?”

            Because their memory may not be in tact, and they may ask “How long ago did it occur” due to the fact that if you were both drunk, and it was 30 years ago, your account is not reliable.

            If they ask how you were dressed, it might be something like: So you went to their house alone, dressed up, had been seeing him for years like this, and now, suddenly, you’re calling him a rapist. It sounds a lot more like you were dating.

            They ask these questions to ensure presumption of innocence. That is not a good ol’ boys network.

            Also, if you really want to have more fun on this:

            The latest CDC estimate on a recent year was that 1.2 vs 1.247 million people were raped or sexually assaulted men to women.

            Now, that same CDC study is often quoted to the 1/5 women I might add. The 2010-2012 study was published in 2017, but not the 2014. I note this because the 2010 study said 1/71 men were raped, citation below.

            htt ps://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_executive_summary-a.pdf

            The next one, in 2014 said 1/14. Citation below.

            http s://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/2015data-brief508.pdf

            What a difference 5 years makes. Then someone who looks at this studies dove deeper. It turns out when including made to penetrate correctly, it was 1.267 vs 1.270 on a given year (million) I’m getting to a point with this, bear with me.

            htt ps://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/kze8qn/the-hidden-epidemic-of-men-who-are-raped-by-women

            Now, arrest rates. The good ol’e boys are just asking those mean questions to the women to shut them down right?

            If it’s all about men, and there were a big good ol’ boy network (instead of you quoting a few rich bad men) we should assume, that the arrest rates of men are much lower.

            htt ps://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/topic-pages/tables/table-42

            What do you read in the section, arrests by gender for rape?

            17,781 men, 508 women.

            My report just showed, the occurrences are very likely near the same. Even if I took the latest CDC study, which went from 1/71 to 1/14 in 5 years, (showing they aren’t reliable) it still doesn’t add up.

            1/5 vs 1/14, this means if you take those numbers from the CDC and I argue you shouldn’t, then women are not quite 3 times likely as to be raped.

            Yet, the arrests, the difference is 35 times in the arrest rates, this works out to men being over represented in the arrests by about 11 times if we use the 1/14 number. If the 1/14 was correct, far more women get off the hook than men. The courts are not stacked against women. They are in favor of presumption of innocence. I do not tolerate uneducated commentary. Is it becoming clear yet I am well versed no the issue?

          • January 22, 2019 at 2:14 pm
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            By what measure of the population do you make the comment that there is a good ol’ boys rape network who tells us it is ok to rape?

            How many are in this club? How many do they rape? You imply the affect the national rape numbers, so saying the most powerful 100 men won’t fly. Saying all politicians still won’t push the numbers high enough (535 plus 100)

            I’ve given you my numbers.

            I’ve proven the following things:

            In homosexual relationships (and there is no insult intended, I use homo because it is a one gender, in the same was as homogenous uses homo) we find that the single biggest violent and sexually violent group is women. Men is second. Heterosexual is last. This shows that women support violence quite a bit more than men.

            I’ve proven that men are more likely to be arrested for rape. There have been studies on this as well, showing that men who are raped are not taken seriously in the courts. It is not women that have this problem. If there were a good ol boys network, it would affect these numbers.

            By what measure is there a good ol boys network pushing rapes?

            How many rapes? How do they affect it? The only thing you have said so far I predicted in advance, and I said it happens out there with extreme people. Do you remember what it was? You just said it and I called it up front.

            Here it is for you:

            “On a wide scale basis it causes even more damage, because as I said, we have actual school feminists calling questions that FBI does regarding a rape, victim shaming, rather than assuming they are investigating the claim”

            So I imagine you learned this at school, yes? Which of your teachers told you this garbage? You are parroting it. It was either there or some ignorant place like VICE or SLATE.

          • January 22, 2019 at 2:29 pm
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            I should add the reason there are some minor conflicting data points in my post is that I wrote out what I studied in the past, months ago, and had to reconfirm the precise numbers.

            This is why it says 2014 report in one location, and then 2015 in another, I had to run back through after I found it. This is also why it says 1.247 vs 1.2 and later on the actual number of 1.270 vs 1.267.

            I know you will probably start up on it, but this is because I’m quoting information I’ve basically looked up over years and then I have to re look it up.

            By the way, this is contrary to those here who look things up on the drop of a hat, and claim they have been looking it up for years. So if anything, this is a good sign on my behalf, it shines well on the fact that I’ve looked this up a long time, so I sometimes re-reference what I’ve studied.

            I am really tired of this debate, the left has lied about it, colleges have lied about.

            For example: Why was the 2010-2012 study published in 2017 as the most relevant data, instead of the 2015 report? I’ll tell you why: Feminists who require funding in their colleges to stay in their feminist positions of research knew that the 1/14 number wouldn’t be as easy to sell as a crises that uniquely affected women, so they published the 1/71 number, minimizing the risk to men. Watch me while I say there is a good ol girls network downplaying men’s rape, by the numbers.

            Or can you explain why they published the 2010-2012 report but not the 2015?

          • January 22, 2019 at 3:23 pm
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            I should also note, I have a younger brother who is coincidentally having this argument right now among some friends.

            When he showed emotion, and he has been sexually assaulted I might add, and said sometimes it feels like he deserves it due to his gender, and said what the girls said to him in rebuttal made him break down crying (and they shamed the holy hell out of him, he basically made the same argument as me, and they tore him apart) the broke into two groups.

            One group said essentially that his tears amounted to nothing other than male ego, and the reason women sexually assaulted him and laughed about it was due to, and I kid you not: TOXIC MASCULINITY (so when women assault it’s because of men too, and when they laugh when they tell other women, that’s also because of men, THIS is victim shaming, and I’ve never seen it happen vice versa). The other girl said grabbed that to say that he was probably insane from what happened and needed to stop debating about it.

            Essentially you can only comment about rape if you are a raped woman when it comes to the female side. And if you’re a raped man, you also can’t comment about women raping men. Apparently the only person who can comment about how often women rape men, is a raped woman. That doesn’t even make sense.

            They are abusing and bullying my brother, right now.

            You go show me men doing this to women, in a good ol boys type of way, eh?

  • January 17, 2019 at 1:13 pm
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    Well, there is certainly a mentality that exists that believes you can, “grab them by the pu….” – Until that sexually abusive attitude is suppressed, we’ll continue to have to face the harsh reality that some want to express their power over others, even in this most harmful of ways.

    • January 17, 2019 at 3:03 pm
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      That attitude was there long before Trump ever said it (Bill Cosby, Weinstein ect…) and will be there long after you and I turn to dust. Thinking there is some magical formula that is going to change things in your life time…
      Your certainly an optimist.

      • January 17, 2019 at 3:27 pm
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        Nope, I don’t think there is a magical formula. I said until that attitude is suppressed, we’ll continue to see this. Unfortunately, and evidently like you, I don’t see it changing. There will always be the Weinsteins, Cosbys, and Tramps of the world. It’s about power for these sociopaths.

        • January 17, 2019 at 5:43 pm
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          Interesting you lump Trump -whom to my knowledge has never been accused / charged of such behavior – in with two that have been convicted.

          • January 18, 2019 at 10:54 am
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            He has been accused by at least 17 victims. He has admitted to sexually assaulting women on a national TV program. He has admitted to purposely walking backstage of his own pageants to catch women in undress when he was interviewed by Howard Stern. Where have you been, FFA?

          • January 18, 2019 at 1:23 pm
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            Not watching the news, thats for sure.

          • January 18, 2019 at 6:58 pm
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            “He has admitted to sexually assaulting women on a national TV program. ”

            No, he didn’t.

            I’ve gone over this too many times.

          • January 22, 2019 at 11:48 am
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            If memory serves me, one of the pageants that Captain Planet mentioned was a Teen Pageant several years ago which 15-18 year old girls (a.k.a. Children).

          • January 22, 2019 at 1:46 pm
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            “If memory serves me, one of the pageants that Captain Planet mentioned was a Teen Pageant several years ago which 15-18 year old girls (a.k.a. Children).”

            If memory serves me, I was not talking about that.

            I was talking about the clear comment that he is saying is admitted sexual assault, which when listened to it is clear he is talking about the dating scene. Trump’s a player, not a rapist in that quote. The key words being “and they want you to” the boast being “I just grab them…” being a description of when you are in a club and you both already know you want each other. I’ve been to these clubs. There are countless women who want a man that knows when it is the right time to make a move, and this is what Trump is talking about. Those women.

            I was talking about that.

            As for your pageant comment:

            Still not sexual assault. So you clearly knew that wasn’t what I was talking about, for one. And for two: You are down playing sexual assault by wanting to be pissed at Trump.

  • January 22, 2019 at 4:59 pm
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    Bob,

    You’re getting your panties in a bunch. I never said you were talking about Trump walking into pageants. If you slow down, your would have read that I mentioned Captain Planet mentioned the pageants.

    Regarding sexual assault, grabbing a personal in a sexual way “By the P*ussy” is sexual assault just not rape. In addition, rape consist of any forced sexual penetration including anal or oral in most states. Sexual assault consists of any non penetration unwanted sexual touching

    Regarding rape of males by either males or females, Government statistics indicated that approx. 1 in 10 males are sexually assaulting in their lifetime. This includes incest as children. For females it’s estimated to be 1 in 5 during their lifetime.

    Just because many don’t report it to the police doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

    By “Good ‘le Boys” you’re assuming that I’m saying that ALL MEN approve of Rape. I never indicated that. I’m aware that most don’t. However, by Good ‘le Boys, I’m referring to the attitude of many men that because it has happened that way for years, it OK not to expect to hold those who do rape/assault accountable. Women do it too. I’ve know of 2 women who have been stupid enough to marry a convicted rapist. One actually did so and sent her children to live with their grandparents.

    I’ve also checked out several of the sites you keep referring people too. Many are public opinion blogs (the same type of sites that Fox News refers to). I found the FBI site to be the only reliability static site you’ve pointed out.

    My question to you is, why are you, a young 30s male, so angry? You appear to be angry from your posts/comments. Was the comment about your mother and “her daughter” really needed? Would not your mother’s daughter then be your sister? Regarding you’re mother’s questioning your sister on being raped, I’m unaware of the details. However, I do know (from experience), that with children (especially young children), involving reprehensible things that happened to them, that sometimes parents are in denial of what happened to the child as then they would have to take some responsibility for not protecting the child. Again, I don’t know you families personal details.

    With your ranting, you come across as being angry with women in general and with men who support them.

    I’ll give you last word now which I’m sure would be keep going on and going anyway. As a 50+ year old person, who has much to do and lack time needed to keep responding to you, I won’t be responding or posting any additional comments under this forum subject.

    • January 22, 2019 at 5:51 pm
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      “You’re getting your panties in a bunch. I never said you were talking about Trump walking into pageants. If you slow down, your would have read that I mentioned Captain Planet mentioned the pageants.”

      I’m well aware. And no one below that comment debated that. What we did do however, in my case for example, was say he was wrong about the sexual assault comment.

      “Regarding sexual assault, grabbing a personal in a sexual way “By the P*ussy” is sexual assault just not rape. In addition, rape consist of any forced sexual penetration including anal or oral in most states. Sexual assault consists of any non penetration unwanted sexual touching”

      Oh my god you are stupid. It was a comment. You are taking a hypothetical scenario based on a comment, but then you disregard who said the comment. Trump, was talking, about the dating scene and women who wanted to be grabbed by the @#%@@. It doesn’t matter if generally speaking it would be considered rape if you randomly did that. That was not what Trump was talking about, he was boasting. He was not admitting to sexual assault, when he said “and they want you to” at the end, anyone knows that if you are in the dating scene and you grab a woman you’re dancing with, you know when they want you to. If he’ talking about that, and the woman wanted it, then it was not assault. As for your definition it is irrelevant. The only one with their panties in a bunch is you. Your nonsensical rapist club without numbers to back it up is completely the definition of having one’s panties in a bunch.

      “Regarding rape of males by either males or females, Government statistics indicated that approx. 1 in 10 males are sexually assaulting in their lifetime. This includes incest as children. For females it’s estimated to be 1 in 5 during their lifetime.”

      What’s your point?

      “Just because many don’t report it to the police doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.”

      What’s your point? Also, these studies expand rape, it can include accidental touching, it can include not asking first, and you are in a relationship. I’ve seen the questions. Asking “Has anyone ever touched you in a sexual manner without asking” would include people who are dating. Or, “Has anyone touched you while drunk”. This is how they expanded that number. Also, I addressed the willingness to report. Men are less willing to report. This has been studied. If anyone is underrepresented in rape, it’s men. The survey people for this matter are in the CDC, and they are the NISVS, the most recent and the one everyone cites for these studies. And, the NISVS in the last few years showed they are not reliable. In one study they say 1 in 71, in yet another they say 1 in 14, but guess which one they published as the reliable number? I already went over this. The 2010-2012 study was published, the 2015 was not. This shows that there is a movement hiding the amount of rapes only on one side. If your goal is to tell me that the NISVS (National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (NISVS) is not the people I should be quoting, you need to tell me who I should. Also, the FBI do not back up your numbers. In fact, they tend to point out the CDC is going out of control. Such as with their college rape numbers, that they estimate to be at 1/5. The FBI then says it’s likely more like 1 in 53, including non reported.

      http://www.aei.org/publication/new-justice-department-study-reveals-1-52-6-college-women-victims-rapesexual-assault/

      So apparently I’m supposed to listen to the FBI, except for when I’m not. I need your source from the FBI showing for both unreported and reported they suspect the numbers you gave. I gave you my sources already.

      “By “Good ‘le Boys” you’re assuming that I’m saying that ALL MEN approve of Rape.”

      And I never said you did, but, it is also false to say MANY boys approve of this, and you DID make that statement and you make it again below. I told you to quantify the numbers. There are indeed people who are powerful who use women, they are not supported, there is no rape culture causing them to exist, they are just bad man, and they do not protect an underground rape club, nor do they encourage men to rape. I want to know how many there are, and how many rapes you surmise they cause. You debated against someone saying he was for this rape club, by stating the woman contributed to her rape, so I suspect people who say that are involuntarily a part of this club. So, I surmise, you decide people are a part of this club when they disagree with you. You are not credible on this due to your commentary to date, and your attitude, and lack of info on the matter, GIVE YOUR NUMBERS to prove you are credible.

      “I never indicated that. I’m aware that most don’t. However, by Good ‘le Boys, I’m referring to the attitude of many men that because it has happened that way for years, it OK not to expect to hold those who do rape/assault accountable.”

      Again, this is wrong. There are not many men who do this. Also, that is not what men are doing when they tell their daughters to be prudent, and not to get drunk in the wrong scenarios. You again are stating people randomly are saying women are accountable. They aren’t. Some are colorful in their wording, but what they are saying is the woman had more risk in the scenario she put herself in. And most the time, she did. People need to be aware that drinking at parties is a risk.

      “Women do it too. I’ve know of 2 women who have been stupid enough to marry a convicted rapist. One actually did so and sent her children to live with their grandparents.”

      This borders on nonsensical. What’s your point?

      “I’ve also checked out several of the sites you keep referring people too. Many are public opinion blogs (the same type of sites that Fox News refers to). I found the FBI site to be the only reliability static site you’ve pointed out.”

      No they aren’t, I used blog sites who on their page quote the studies. These are NISVS studies, for most of them, the one regarding women and men rape is from this study, which was quoted in the blog site:

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4062022/

      The reason I don’t quote the link directly, is because even though this study explicitly states that men under report more than women, and explicitly states that rape definitions are anti men, and explicitly states that there is clearly an anti men research bias, they also try to state there is a rape crises with women regardless. It is astounding. But, in their own link, they mention those numbers, 1.270 vs 1.267. It’s in this link.

      Try again. ALL my numbers are from THE leaders on these studies and I pointed out their flaws and validity. Not some, ALL.

      “My question to you is, why are you, a young 30s male, so angry?”

      Are you really trying a you mad bro?

      “You appear to be angry from your posts/comments. Was the comment about your mother and “her daughter” really needed? ”

      Yes. Because you don’t have a single example. It is meant to show you that you are bluntly wrong. It isn’t anger, it’s examples.

      “Would not your mother’s daughter then be your sister?”

      Yes it would, I worded it the way I did for affect.

      ” Regarding you’re mother’s questioning your sister on being raped, I’m unaware of the details. However, I do know (from experience), that with children (especially young children), involving reprehensible things that happened to them, that sometimes parents are in denial of what happened to the child as then they would have to take some responsibility for not protecting the child. Again, I don’t know you families personal details. ”

      I did not say she questioned my sister, and note I did not say my sister was raped. I said I’ve only seen one person state that drinking or meeting someone means you deserve to be raped, and it was a woman. I have seen many women say that how you dress is asking to be raped, not deserved. That is what I mean by I have seen other women say close. I however, have NEVER seen a man I know, only trolls on the internet, say “That woman was asking to be raped”. NEVER. You are speaking a fantasy. I want to know how often precisely this happens. I am angry because you are saying things outrageously untrue, and outrageously anti male, and outside of reality. There is no good ol boys club.

      “With your ranting, you come across as being angry with women in general and with men who support them.”

      Nonsense. I am angry with a society that demonizes men, publishes misleading rape numbers, says it is toxic masculinity while shaming men, and when the jail sentences are a gap that is at least 11 times worse, meaning that women rapists are getting off the hook. I am angry with the victimization of men. You are angry with the victimization of women, and attacked someone here for that purpose. Anger does not diminish one’s argument. Debate my facts, not my anger.

      “I’ll give you last word now which I’m sure would be keep going on and going anyway.”

      Serious attitude.

      1″As a 50+ year old person, who has much to do and lack time needed to keep responding to you, I won’t be responding or posting any additional comments under this forum subject.”

      Good. You didn’t address any of the numbers as it was. You were just a sexist piece of garbage. My sons are at more risk due to you, as well as my daughters. Again, they will be told not to drink at parties, and to lower their risk, they will also be told to beware pathetic men like you.

    • January 22, 2019 at 5:56 pm
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      I replied and likely due to links it was held up.

      The way you have debated this, you are a piece of trash. Part of my anger is that. Go ahead and try to shame me, and you did, it won’t work. I go down with fists flailing, but I do so with data.

      You didn’t have any. You are not ahead in this argument. I convince many by your pathetic actions, my wife being one. She sees men like you, and nearly vomits at the ego you have, and what you think you do.

      I’ve actually protected a drunk woman, and I was small at the time. About 5’6, 110 lbs, the guy said to me “something is going to end up happening to you at the end of the night”. The girl later thanked me. I am not against women, I’m against nonsense. The guy was like 6’5, and over 200 pounds by the by. Though if he met me now…He would have a lot more problems. I’m 185 if I were down to say a 5% fat lean. I’m insanely strong, and I would use that to be a protector, in fact, part of the reason I got bigger was to be able to do so when I needed. I kept running into men that were doing terrible things, but, I will still stay with: There is not a league of rapist men in the culture, there is no rape culture, rape of women is not considered ok. That is balderdash.

    • January 22, 2019 at 6:05 pm
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      I was later punched in the face at this party. There were maybe 3 bad men there, and there were 100 people, about right. The mistake the man made, and this was a friend of the nearly raped woman, was that he talked about respect blah blah, and I knew once he made a move every woman would support me there, and the men who were on the sidelines. So, what I did, was tell him “I absolutely respect Nate,” and paused and said “I do not respect what he is doing”. The man immediately punched me in the face, and then, I had already set it up so his girlfriend would see, and made sure it was in front of the right people. At least three men rushed him, and held him down, and then the girl he wanted walked off with me, and I winked at him. Lesson learned on his part. I’ve taken down numerous bad men this same way. Oddly, two named Nate. And more oddly, the other named Nate I was drunk off my rear end, but I don’t like random sex, so, this girl this other Nate liked, started going down on my neck as I was passed out on a table. I got up and told her not to touch me, and the funny thing was, the guy who had been harassing her all night finally goes up to me and says “You can have *my girlfriend at the time*, give me *forgot her name*” My reply was something akin to she doesn’t want you because you’re pathetic and all about you. You’ve been harassing her at every party, and again, I made this public so everyone saw the shame beat down. And again, this was 1 man, out of a separate group of friends of 100. I then proceeded to say “You keep walking around claiming you have a 9 inch @#%@, well, your friend is saying the same, harassing all the women here, the odds of that are about .01 percent, and if you do two at one party, I guess we just freaking won the lottery in here with you two! I’m feeling lucky!” I also got somewhat beat up at this party, for obvious reasons, but again, the people at the party stood up for me, and these men were never at parties again. There is no rape or sexual assault society issue. After that party I asked a military friend to train me to fight a bit, I bulked up over time, and I basically said no woman would ever hurt me again (so I bulked up for two reasons, one was sexual assault that happened to me, which my group laughed at. Remember, I got many bad men shut down, I could not shut down the bad women. It was impossible. They were invincible to society no matter what they did). So yes, I have some anger at the people who claim there is a good ol boy network (there isn’t) when rape didn’t even include men, and still doesn’t so long as the perp isn’t a woman with a penetration object, the studies I showed went from 1/71 to 1/14, to about equal, and the risk of men is being minimized, while with women over exaggerated, and women who rape don’t get punished, whereas you are claiming the opposite, as well, as that women are shamed (they aren’t) whereas men actually are. My newest link I posted actually went over that, if you read the whole thing, when it shows up.

    • January 22, 2019 at 6:09 pm
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      “when rape didn’t even include men, and still doesn’t so long as the perp isn’t a woman with a penetration object,”

      As in, right now, if a woman raped a man, it legally is not rape. The actual definition does not include men, from 1920 to 2012 when it was modified, it does not include men. Originally, it didn’t include men at all, even from men. Until 2012, you could not be raped as a man by a man, only assaulted. That is outrageous. In present day, 2012, you can not as a woman rape a man.

      I have reason to be upset. Your nonsensical supposed risk to women that you attacked another poster here for, which puts my daughter at risk, is nonsensical.

    • January 22, 2019 at 7:25 pm
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      And one last comment on this: Why am I upset?

      Try to contradict the narrative on this, or to say there is an issue for men in the country right now in college.

      My brother is being bullied, over his sexual assault, guilted, blamed, and told it is toxic masculinity which caused it. I sound mad? That’s how you want to come at me? No, I’ve been harassed, bullied, into that garbage you are spewing. My words to you are not bullying. I lost friends over this. So is my brother right now, my youngest brother. He was shut down on many aspects. They saw his facebook and removed him from his singing group. The Church group he sang with did the same. He tried to get his teaching degree, they shut him down there too, and we may well be suing his school, because he is diagnosed ADHD and we are going to call it abuse based on how he is weird from the disorder. They wouldn’t even formally say why, they refused to allow him to get his teaching certificate however, and it likely has to do with this.

      Two of my brothers refuse to debate, and it is not because I talk with them like I do you, they also refuse to debate the youngest brother, who is soft, and when he told those girls he cried for a near half hour, he did. That man did not deserve that, and he doesn’t deserve to be shut down from talking and ostracized from his family over it. You will find us MRA’s so to speak, (I only call myself that because it’s the only way I think I can tell you I support men and you will understand that, but I realize it will make you then label me) do not do this type of familial divide, or label facts hate speech. This was why one of my other brothers won’t debate. He said he refuses to talk back to hate speech data, and he was taught this by school. This is where my anger comes from. Bullying by leftists, destruction of the family, ignoring men’s issues (falling behind in college graduation, among being over diagnosed for ADD and put on meds). But no, you’ve got it figured out, there is some good ol boy network.

      Hogwash!



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