It’s amazing how the general public immediately believes everything they see and hear from the media. “The sky is falling! The sky is falling!” Oh, the damage the media can do. Remember the big billboards advertising attorney services saying, “Mold Is Gold”? That should have been the big giveaway right there. And Texans wonder why their homeowner rates are the highest in the nation…epidemics like mold and insurance fraud could have something to do with it…you think? Sometimes I wonder if that’s the problem.
It was an interesting interpretation on the part of much of the media as to what the panel findings were. I read the 300 page report. What it actually said was that further research of ill health effects caused by fungal exposure should be given the highest priority. There is much unknown. It also acknowledged that infections of fungal exposure, such as pulmonary aspergillosis and other infectious aspects, such as compromization of the immune system were not even part of the study. So for one to deduce that the panel said mold was not a problem is ignorantly and dangerously lulling people into a sense of false security. One would have to question whether a certain amount of lobbied politics played any part in the media misinterpretation. Or maybe it was just pure ingorance of the issue.
There are two trains of thought that are clearly at fault. First, the media (including the reporter here, has mangled the facts of this study. Ms. Kramer is correct, the study reported that there was not enough evidence to determine if mold causes neurological, immunological, and other ailments. Not enough evidence does not mean that mold doesn’t cause these problems! Furthermore, the study was only researching respiratory conditions.
Secondly, it is a fact that the insurance and pharmaceutical companies have a vested interest in their ties with the government in not finding such evidence. The government will do anything they possibly can to ignore this problem.
I have been researching mycotoxin producing molds for fifteen years and I have proof that molds can cause everything from seizures to Raunaud’s Symdrome. When I speak at conferences in Europe and Russia, they have no problem admitting that mold causes these diseases, but then again, those governments must really care about their citizens. This country exists with a bunch of wimpy men who want money more than anything; even if it means destroying lives in the process.
I request that an official and fact based specific response to the excellant comments of Dr. Forbes,
Ms. Kramer and Ms. Bray be given by the authors of the article.
Someone out to tell the United States Military to stop using T-2 mycotoxins, which is what at least 30 species of molds create and disperse into the air, that perhaps they shouldn’t use them as a biological warfare agent since the government so conveniently reports as just a slight respiratory problem. The military has been using these mycotoxins for years as an agent. It’s funny how the government changes everything to their benefit when its convenient!
Even some idiot, Tiffany O’Shea with the National Insurance Association has been making snide remarks that this “so-called” toxic mold doesn’t cause any problems. She’s one of the idiots who is paid well to to keep the real information from the public. Gosh, she must be making close to $8.00 an hour to be biased!
everyone in the insurance industry knows that this is just another concoction by those sneaky plaintiff attorneys looking for another way to shake down the insurance industry…..
Listen to your doctors, they know !? In the 50’s, my mother in law said her doctor told her NOT to breast feed her babies. The doctor said it was not good for her children. She did not listen. Formula was expensive. yeras ago, didn’t doctors tell women to start smoking to curb their appetite or to loose weight? If we believe everything we read and not know where or how a study is funded, how do we make informed decisions especially regarding mold infestation caused by moisture or water intrusion?
This study was funded by the Centers for Deceit Control, I mean the Centers for Disease Control. They have a very cozy relationship with the FDA, who profits from the drug companies and they make a fortune off of the horrendous symptoms that mold patients have. The government also has close ties with the insurance industry. Money talks.
The US government has other reasons for this biased study. If they were to admit the truth, the government would have to test and remediate schools, prisons, military installations, and all public buildings. There is no way the government would acknowledge this problem. They need to money to kill innocent people in Iraq, while mold kills people here. This is a perfect plan of genocide for Bush and the New World Order’s plan to destroy middle and lower class people. They have gone way too far this time.
If toxic mold is making people sick and killing them off, then let them die. Whatever happened to darwinism? I am sick of protecting the weak, ill, and poor.
The mold issue is like statistics, it can say anything the researcher wants to determine. If you want to create a statistic that says 90% of people are idiots you just have to include the right people in the survey. I would start with the folks replying to this article. Depending on who funded the research will determine if they have proof that mold is safe or that looking at it will make your arms fall off. Truth is, that mold has been around longer than people. And many years have gone by that mold and people have co-existed happily. But, now that money can be made and folks can get new houses from insurance companies, mold has decided to end our happy relationship and secretly destroy the human race. I have decided that I will make peace with the mold in my home. It has agreed to not kill me or make me sick, as long as I can agree to: ignore it, not be a slob and allow it to grow everywhere, and never play Kenny G in its presence. I hope the mold in all your homes will be as reasonable as mine.
Regarding the last comment that was made, I completely understand your ignorance. But sadly, many molds, viruses, and bacteria have mutated to the point of resistance and do cause irreparable damage. it’s nice that you are so ignorant, “Mr. Reality” because I would like to contact you directly as I have a large, historical statue of a woman on Ellis Island in NY I would like to sell you.
I can understand that anything can become trendy, even being exposed to toxic mold.But if anyone could walk a mile in my shoes……
I moved into a mold infested building,6 years ago, with my 1 year old daughter, & husband. Of course we were unaware that it was moldy, we moved there because it was, charming, inexpencive,& my sister lived downstairs.The landlord never fixed the leaky roof, and the mold just grew & grew,in the attic, just above our bedroom. We slept in that room for 5 years, my daughter joining us most nights as well.
I have had what has been called pneumonia, 3 times, 2 chest infections,constant pain in my joints,headaches, facial pain,& too many other symptoms to list. My daughter had to be in hospital for pneumonia, as well. My sister, who has lived in the building for 10 years, developed MS 5 years ago. Of couse we are no longer living there.
Until 4 months ago, I had not known there was such a thing as toxic mold.
I would gladly volunteer for any further studies, or surveys of health problems caused by molds.Anything, that will make my pain go away, & help others from going through what we are.
Thomas Haynes must be a doctor or a contractor. I am sure he makes his living either convincing people they need new homes, because thier’s have mold, or else he explains that thier ailments are caused by mold. He can treat them, but unfortunately never cure them. Thomas and the Pope have something in common, they induce fear so people will give them money to make it go away. Shame on any of you that sin, you will go to Hell, or worse, be forced to live in a house with Toxic Mold. On another note Thomas, it is very funny that you offer to sell me the Statue of Liberty and call me ignorant. I can see that my remarks may be bad for business. And I believe that you do have mutated mold in your house that causes “irreparable damage”. I can tell it has caused “irreparable” brain damage. But don’t be too offended by my reply. I know your not smart enough to really be a doctor. Although, you could work for a contractor, you don’t need that much upstairs to swing a hammer.
I don’t believe this for a minute. I know the insurance companies lobby for “biased research” but telling the public blatant lies should be illegal.
I never believed in “toxic mold” until I bought a new house in 2000. My entire family as well as myself had a history of perfect health before this. Within 6 months, three of my children started having asthma type problems. Their small passage airway was blocked. My daughter began having seizures after 8 months, then my son after a year. Now, four out of five of us have fibromyalgia, lupus, heaadaches, and severe breathing problems. Three have unexplained seizures on a regular basis. All five of us have had digestive problems, and I had to have a hysterectomy last month, at age 34. My son has recently been diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis.
We discovered the mold problem last year and had DNA testing that confirmed stachybotrys “black mold” expsoure with all five of us. We are seeing Dr. Michael Gray In AZ and he has linked our health problems to the mold we were exposed to.
Last year, we had to abandon our house and belongings. We will never return.
To state that there is “not enough evidence” that neurological disorders can be related to pathogenic mold exposure, is irresponsible and fraudulent, to say the least.
Most people on this discussion appear to sound very credible, despite the misrepresentations of the journalists reporting of the NIM report and lack of evidence. For quite a sum of years, I have been hearing basically the same complaints stemming from people who have been exposed from the same types of fungi.
After reading the three hundred page report, I find it rather suspicious that the good people on this board (and the approximately 123,000 others nationwide to date, as well) who have been reporting the same ill effects and symptoms of fungal infections, including neurological dysfunction while unfound evidence disputes these facts.
How quickly one forgets. This happened during the fifties regarding cigarettes and cancer despite thousands of documented reports of cancer cases and cancer related deaths among smokers, evidence was squelched for years until it could no longer be hidden from the public.
It is my opinion, not only as a scientist, but as a former CDC and USDA contractor, that this will be this mold issue will be the same type of case. I honestly don’t think that the facts will be accurately reported until approximately 2025. The same applies to VSE; otherwise known as Mad Cow Disease. There is just too much money at stake that could impact the economy. Meanwhile, millions will die needlessly. That is all I can say at this time. In the meantime, if I were you I wouldn’t eat beef nor would I would stay far away from water damaged buildings. I do not state this lightly. May God have mercy on us all.
To everyone who disputes the ill effects of toxic mold exposure:
Please let me bring some to your house!!
Let me bring it around your children! I have plenty of it to share!
I think you have something there! I’ll help with any takers to your challenge in Ca.! I think we should start a nation wide campaign, lets bring it to politicians & their families all across the country! Just see if they don’t look scared!
The IOM report that was released to the media was a simple press release, only a few pages from the Executive Summary introduction to the entire report.
It was highly irresponsible and reckless for the IOM to
release a brief synopsis that could not possibly do justice to a 300 page report. The truth is there, for those who chose to read the entire report. It says: “We received large pay-offs to dance around this health
crisis, at the expense of the public”…. (Payback time: Hurricanes; Tsunamis; Floods; Rainstorms…Beyond their wildest nightmares).
For example, the very long, Chapter 4, of the report is entitled:
“HEALTH EFFECTS of FUNGI and MYCOTOXINS”…
Hmmm, I wonder how long it will be before the insurance industry lobbies to get this book off the Internet?
The insurance industry, in their endless, despicable quest for greed, has taken advantage of this brief ‘press release” and the IOM has “allowed” them to spin the report to their advantage. We all know what that means…
Evidently, the insurance industry is hell-bent on
self-destruction, since mold is NOT going away.
The insurance industry and its lame attempt at ignoring the significance of this very serious health epidemic is,
actually, validating their own deception. If mold is no big deal, then why are they so terrified of it?
They should call themselves “Exclusion” companies instead of “Insurance” companies. The insurance industries’ unconscionable lack business ethics, and respect for basic human dignity, is truly an unforgivable disgrace. Shame on all professionals who continue to perpetuate these deceptive trade practices….
It’s amazing how the general public immediately believes everything they see and hear from the media. “The sky is falling! The sky is falling!” Oh, the damage the media can do. Remember the big billboards advertising attorney services saying, “Mold Is Gold”? That should have been the big giveaway right there. And Texans wonder why their homeowner rates are the highest in the nation…epidemics like mold and insurance fraud could have something to do with it…you think? Sometimes I wonder if that’s the problem.
Brett, have you known anyone that has been exposed for a long period to toxic mold? I think not.
It was an interesting interpretation on the part of much of the media as to what the panel findings were. I read the 300 page report. What it actually said was that further research of ill health effects caused by fungal exposure should be given the highest priority. There is much unknown. It also acknowledged that infections of fungal exposure, such as pulmonary aspergillosis and other infectious aspects, such as compromization of the immune system were not even part of the study. So for one to deduce that the panel said mold was not a problem is ignorantly and dangerously lulling people into a sense of false security. One would have to question whether a certain amount of lobbied politics played any part in the media misinterpretation. Or maybe it was just pure ingorance of the issue.
There are two trains of thought that are clearly at fault. First, the media (including the reporter here, has mangled the facts of this study. Ms. Kramer is correct, the study reported that there was not enough evidence to determine if mold causes neurological, immunological, and other ailments. Not enough evidence does not mean that mold doesn’t cause these problems! Furthermore, the study was only researching respiratory conditions.
Secondly, it is a fact that the insurance and pharmaceutical companies have a vested interest in their ties with the government in not finding such evidence. The government will do anything they possibly can to ignore this problem.
I have been researching mycotoxin producing molds for fifteen years and I have proof that molds can cause everything from seizures to Raunaud’s Symdrome. When I speak at conferences in Europe and Russia, they have no problem admitting that mold causes these diseases, but then again, those governments must really care about their citizens. This country exists with a bunch of wimpy men who want money more than anything; even if it means destroying lives in the process.
I request that an official and fact based specific response to the excellant comments of Dr. Forbes,
Ms. Kramer and Ms. Bray be given by the authors of the article.
Someone out to tell the United States Military to stop using T-2 mycotoxins, which is what at least 30 species of molds create and disperse into the air, that perhaps they shouldn’t use them as a biological warfare agent since the government so conveniently reports as just a slight respiratory problem. The military has been using these mycotoxins for years as an agent. It’s funny how the government changes everything to their benefit when its convenient!
Even some idiot, Tiffany O’Shea with the National Insurance Association has been making snide remarks that this “so-called” toxic mold doesn’t cause any problems. She’s one of the idiots who is paid well to to keep the real information from the public. Gosh, she must be making close to $8.00 an hour to be biased!
everyone in the insurance industry knows that this is just another concoction by those sneaky plaintiff attorneys looking for another way to shake down the insurance industry…..
Listen to your doctors, they know !? In the 50’s, my mother in law said her doctor told her NOT to breast feed her babies. The doctor said it was not good for her children. She did not listen. Formula was expensive. yeras ago, didn’t doctors tell women to start smoking to curb their appetite or to loose weight? If we believe everything we read and not know where or how a study is funded, how do we make informed decisions especially regarding mold infestation caused by moisture or water intrusion?
This study was funded by the Centers for Deceit Control, I mean the Centers for Disease Control. They have a very cozy relationship with the FDA, who profits from the drug companies and they make a fortune off of the horrendous symptoms that mold patients have. The government also has close ties with the insurance industry. Money talks.
The US government has other reasons for this biased study. If they were to admit the truth, the government would have to test and remediate schools, prisons, military installations, and all public buildings. There is no way the government would acknowledge this problem. They need to money to kill innocent people in Iraq, while mold kills people here. This is a perfect plan of genocide for Bush and the New World Order’s plan to destroy middle and lower class people. They have gone way too far this time.
America; The land of the ill.
If toxic mold is making people sick and killing them off, then let them die. Whatever happened to darwinism? I am sick of protecting the weak, ill, and poor.
The mold issue is like statistics, it can say anything the researcher wants to determine. If you want to create a statistic that says 90% of people are idiots you just have to include the right people in the survey. I would start with the folks replying to this article. Depending on who funded the research will determine if they have proof that mold is safe or that looking at it will make your arms fall off. Truth is, that mold has been around longer than people. And many years have gone by that mold and people have co-existed happily. But, now that money can be made and folks can get new houses from insurance companies, mold has decided to end our happy relationship and secretly destroy the human race. I have decided that I will make peace with the mold in my home. It has agreed to not kill me or make me sick, as long as I can agree to: ignore it, not be a slob and allow it to grow everywhere, and never play Kenny G in its presence. I hope the mold in all your homes will be as reasonable as mine.
Regarding the last comment that was made, I completely understand your ignorance. But sadly, many molds, viruses, and bacteria have mutated to the point of resistance and do cause irreparable damage. it’s nice that you are so ignorant, “Mr. Reality” because I would like to contact you directly as I have a large, historical statue of a woman on Ellis Island in NY I would like to sell you.
I can understand that anything can become trendy, even being exposed to toxic mold.But if anyone could walk a mile in my shoes……
I moved into a mold infested building,6 years ago, with my 1 year old daughter, & husband. Of course we were unaware that it was moldy, we moved there because it was, charming, inexpencive,& my sister lived downstairs.The landlord never fixed the leaky roof, and the mold just grew & grew,in the attic, just above our bedroom. We slept in that room for 5 years, my daughter joining us most nights as well.
I have had what has been called pneumonia, 3 times, 2 chest infections,constant pain in my joints,headaches, facial pain,& too many other symptoms to list. My daughter had to be in hospital for pneumonia, as well. My sister, who has lived in the building for 10 years, developed MS 5 years ago. Of couse we are no longer living there.
Until 4 months ago, I had not known there was such a thing as toxic mold.
I would gladly volunteer for any further studies, or surveys of health problems caused by molds.Anything, that will make my pain go away, & help others from going through what we are.
Thomas Haynes must be a doctor or a contractor. I am sure he makes his living either convincing people they need new homes, because thier’s have mold, or else he explains that thier ailments are caused by mold. He can treat them, but unfortunately never cure them. Thomas and the Pope have something in common, they induce fear so people will give them money to make it go away. Shame on any of you that sin, you will go to Hell, or worse, be forced to live in a house with Toxic Mold. On another note Thomas, it is very funny that you offer to sell me the Statue of Liberty and call me ignorant. I can see that my remarks may be bad for business. And I believe that you do have mutated mold in your house that causes “irreparable damage”. I can tell it has caused “irreparable” brain damage. But don’t be too offended by my reply. I know your not smart enough to really be a doctor. Although, you could work for a contractor, you don’t need that much upstairs to swing a hammer.
Does anyone know where I can get a copy of this report?
I don’t believe this for a minute. I know the insurance companies lobby for “biased research” but telling the public blatant lies should be illegal.
I never believed in “toxic mold” until I bought a new house in 2000. My entire family as well as myself had a history of perfect health before this. Within 6 months, three of my children started having asthma type problems. Their small passage airway was blocked. My daughter began having seizures after 8 months, then my son after a year. Now, four out of five of us have fibromyalgia, lupus, heaadaches, and severe breathing problems. Three have unexplained seizures on a regular basis. All five of us have had digestive problems, and I had to have a hysterectomy last month, at age 34. My son has recently been diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis.
We discovered the mold problem last year and had DNA testing that confirmed stachybotrys “black mold” expsoure with all five of us. We are seeing Dr. Michael Gray In AZ and he has linked our health problems to the mold we were exposed to.
Last year, we had to abandon our house and belongings. We will never return.
To state that there is “not enough evidence” that neurological disorders can be related to pathogenic mold exposure, is irresponsible and fraudulent, to say the least.
Most people on this discussion appear to sound very credible, despite the misrepresentations of the journalists reporting of the NIM report and lack of evidence. For quite a sum of years, I have been hearing basically the same complaints stemming from people who have been exposed from the same types of fungi.
After reading the three hundred page report, I find it rather suspicious that the good people on this board (and the approximately 123,000 others nationwide to date, as well) who have been reporting the same ill effects and symptoms of fungal infections, including neurological dysfunction while unfound evidence disputes these facts.
How quickly one forgets. This happened during the fifties regarding cigarettes and cancer despite thousands of documented reports of cancer cases and cancer related deaths among smokers, evidence was squelched for years until it could no longer be hidden from the public.
It is my opinion, not only as a scientist, but as a former CDC and USDA contractor, that this will be this mold issue will be the same type of case. I honestly don’t think that the facts will be accurately reported until approximately 2025. The same applies to VSE; otherwise known as Mad Cow Disease. There is just too much money at stake that could impact the economy. Meanwhile, millions will die needlessly. That is all I can say at this time. In the meantime, if I were you I wouldn’t eat beef nor would I would stay far away from water damaged buildings. I do not state this lightly. May God have mercy on us all.
To everyone who disputes the ill effects of toxic mold exposure:
Please let me bring some to your house!!
Let me bring it around your children! I have plenty of it to share!
I think you have something there! I’ll help with any takers to your challenge in Ca.! I think we should start a nation wide campaign, lets bring it to politicians & their families all across the country! Just see if they don’t look scared!
Readers Beware!
The IOM report that was released to the media was a simple press release, only a few pages from the Executive Summary introduction to the entire report.
It was highly irresponsible and reckless for the IOM to
release a brief synopsis that could not possibly do justice to a 300 page report. The truth is there, for those who chose to read the entire report. It says: “We received large pay-offs to dance around this health
crisis, at the expense of the public”…. (Payback time: Hurricanes; Tsunamis; Floods; Rainstorms…Beyond their wildest nightmares).
For example, the very long, Chapter 4, of the report is entitled:
“HEALTH EFFECTS of FUNGI and MYCOTOXINS”…
Hmmm, I wonder how long it will be before the insurance industry lobbies to get this book off the Internet?
The insurance industry, in their endless, despicable quest for greed, has taken advantage of this brief ‘press release” and the IOM has “allowed” them to spin the report to their advantage. We all know what that means…
Evidently, the insurance industry is hell-bent on
self-destruction, since mold is NOT going away.
The insurance industry and its lame attempt at ignoring the significance of this very serious health epidemic is,
actually, validating their own deception. If mold is no big deal, then why are they so terrified of it?
They should call themselves “Exclusion” companies instead of “Insurance” companies. The insurance industries’ unconscionable lack business ethics, and respect for basic human dignity, is truly an unforgivable disgrace. Shame on all professionals who continue to perpetuate these deceptive trade practices….
One Who Knows.