Can you really BE this ignorant? And what do you suppose caused the Arctic shelf to separate recently? Open your mind (if that\’s possible) and discover the facts for yourself.
Bunny, did you see the artic shelf break yourself. Are you sure this really happened? I saw a movie that was about some kind of Jurassic park. The t-rex\’s sure looked real to me. Unfortunately, I can\’t believe everyting everybody tells me.
Two years ago this month we set a record for the most consecutive days under 10 deg F (25). Is that normal or is that due to Global WARMING too????
And for Bunny, how many SUVs did it take to melt the last ice age or do you dismiss the accounts of an ice sheet covering nearly the entirety of North America nearly 100,000 years ago.
Without the snide remarks, I would like to point out that very few people disagree that the world is getting warmer. Some do, and they do have some evidence to support their position.
Let\’s assume that the world is getting warmer. (I do) The question then becomes \”Why?\”. There is a great deal of evidence to support the idea that it is a natural occurence, and that mankind has contributed to it in an infinitesinal way, if at all.
I personally believe that. As other posters have stated (rudely) the ice has been retreating for millennia, well before humanity was a significant force on the planet, and extremely well before the industrial revolution.
My question is this- if humanity is basically contributing to 1% of the global warming problem, why should I have to be subject to draconian laws? If it\’s going to happen anyway, how come I\’m being punished for it?
And please don\’t insinuate that because my position is different from yours that I\’m some sort of ignorant, inhumane fascist. I want my children to inherit a livable world as well.
Al Gore ignored huge bodies of evidence showing that the earth would be warming anyway and that humanity has advanced that process by about a decade.
I\’m sorry, but there is no debate in the scientific community that global warming exists. There is not one single example of a pier reviewed document that indicates global warming is a myth. I\’m not sure if people think there\’s a comspiracy in the scientific community or not, but I would ask any person that reads this to provide me with an example (and where I can locate this example) that a qualified individual worte and was reviewed that indicates this.
I\’m really not sure why there is so much resistance to the idea. This is not a new concept. We\’ve been talking about global warming for years. When you talk about natural trends in temperature shifts, we are now in an anomilous (sp?) situation. What exactly is the alterior motive for those who are \”pushing\” this theory? Who doesn\’t want to get better gas mileage, who does not want to have less pollution, who doesn\’t want there to be less health issues associated with pollution…? Did we forget the hole in the ozone layer? We can, though industry damage the planet.
I\’m just thankful that we are moving in a direction that, regardless of the attitudes on this site, to seriously look at this problem and come up with ideas that will correct it. Thankfully, your kind of thinking is in the minority.
So, because China and India aren\’t participating in Kyoto, that\’s your proof it doesn\’t exist??? What about the many, many other countries that do? Do you use the official policy of India and China to shape your views. I\’ve seen your posts on \”socialism\”, so I don\’t think that\’s the case.
Again, though, you don\’t have to believe it\’s true. The rest of us can fix it. And, when we have, you can sit back and say, \”see, it was all a myth.\” Ignorance is certainly bliss.
And, as a typical Republican, you didn\’t listen. China and India are in full on growth mode. China is gobbling up resources like nobody\’s business. I seriously doubt that either of these countries would do anything to disrupt that growth they are currently experiencing. I don\’t know for a fact (do you?) why they have choose to ignore the facts and continue on the status quo. The next time I have a climate summit with them, I\’ll be sure to ask.
Yes, you are right. I can admit I am a Republican and damn proud of it. I also want to thank you for stepping in the doo I carefully laid out for you. I want to thank you for uncovering the truth, that China and India will not do anything that would hurt their economy. But, it is o.k. for the rest of the world to blame the U.S. for all environmental problems. So, the only solution is to destroy our economy. I want the same thing as you do, but I am not willing to have our country destroy its economy. Where is the fairness that liberals always talk about? Now, do you admit to being a liberal?
Ah, Mr. Recall, so clever. Why would you think I would be ashamed of being a liberal? Maybe you were out of the country on Nov 8th (maybe at one of those climate summits with China and India)
Anyway, back on point…so your argument is that regardless of the results, we should just continue to pollute and not look for better ways to do things? And more so, we should follow suit with the governments of China and India. How does looking for cleaning ways hurt us if in the long run we have more renewable resources? How does reducing our dependence on oil hurt us?
So, to sum up your argument…there is not global warming because China and India told us so, and we shouldn\’t look for cleaner solutions because China and India aren\’t.
A very cursory search of the internet found at least two published articles in peer reviewed journals that disagree with the idea that global warming is the fault of humanity. I have attached information at the bottom.
I am not a professional researcher, and I am no longer a college student. Because of this, I do not have the time or desire to barrage you with examples.
However, I have shown your statement \”…not one single example of a pier reviewed document that indicates global warming is a myth.\” to be false.
You cannot simply state something is true, and wish for it to be so. There IS debate over the causes, and there IS debate over how much (if any) human beings have affected warming.
So again, I ask, why should I be subject to draconian legislation over this? Simply because you believe it to be so?
Robert Essenhigh, E.G. Bailey Professor of Energy Conservation in Ohio State\’s Department of Mechanical Engineering
Published in: Chemical Innovation, published by the American Chemical Society.
“…a study published in the prestigious journal Science, a team of scientists led by Howard Conway of the University of Washington say the Ice Sheet may be headed for a complete meltdown in a process that started thousands of years, and there is no evidence the rate is accelerating.”
Source: Associated Press, \”Melting of Antarctic Ice Sheet Is Linked to Ancient History,\” New York Times, October 12, 1999.
I understand what you\’re saying, but I don\’t believe you can rely on information from seven years ago. Much has been discovered since then and these same scientists may have, in fact, changed their minds. I don\’t know this to be true; I\’m just saying the information you have cited MAY have been proven incorrect in the last seven years.
I completely agree with your assessment, and I wouldn\’t rely on data that old either.
I simply pointed out that a fast desk-top search proved UW wrong. I do believe that a deep search of current scientific research would show that many scientists have questions about the origin and end result of the current warming phase.
I was responding to UW\’s assertion that no \”pier\” (peer) reviewed articles were out there. Clearly, that is not true. Just as clearly, if personal opinion is the extent of UW\’s research, we should (perhaps) re-evaluate the assertion that the american public should be fiscally and regulatorily punished for global warming.
If humanity is the prime cause, and this warming is not a natural swing, and the 5% of greenhouse gasses we emit is the tipping balance, then I will submit to the regulations and costs.
I\’ll be honest- I won\’t do it gladly, but I won\’t revolt either.
I\’m not complaining about the price of gasoline, am I? :D
As Darwin said, \”Survival for the fittest.\” Or, as Bush says, \”Let\’s just bomb them all & take the oil!\” Actually I prefer global warming than chilling my butt off the the Chicago winters. I won\’t miss the 20 below! I never argue when it\’s hotter than Hell! It was the winter that killed me…
Finally!!
Like the devistating hurricane season that totally laid waste to Florida and the gulf coast this past year… Oh yeah, it didn\’t happen.
Hey Al, where was global warming this past hurricane season that was supposed to be the worst on record?
Global Warming, lepricons and unicorns. All myths to entertain us….
Can you really BE this ignorant? And what do you suppose caused the Arctic shelf to separate recently? Open your mind (if that\’s possible) and discover the facts for yourself.
Bunny, did you see the artic shelf break yourself. Are you sure this really happened? I saw a movie that was about some kind of Jurassic park. The t-rex\’s sure looked real to me. Unfortunately, I can\’t believe everyting everybody tells me.
It was 70 degrees in NY last week. Is that normal?
Two years ago this month we set a record for the most consecutive days under 10 deg F (25). Is that normal or is that due to Global WARMING too????
And for Bunny, how many SUVs did it take to melt the last ice age or do you dismiss the accounts of an ice sheet covering nearly the entirety of North America nearly 100,000 years ago.
Bunny-
Without the snide remarks, I would like to point out that very few people disagree that the world is getting warmer. Some do, and they do have some evidence to support their position.
Let\’s assume that the world is getting warmer. (I do) The question then becomes \”Why?\”. There is a great deal of evidence to support the idea that it is a natural occurence, and that mankind has contributed to it in an infinitesinal way, if at all.
I personally believe that. As other posters have stated (rudely) the ice has been retreating for millennia, well before humanity was a significant force on the planet, and extremely well before the industrial revolution.
My question is this- if humanity is basically contributing to 1% of the global warming problem, why should I have to be subject to draconian laws? If it\’s going to happen anyway, how come I\’m being punished for it?
And please don\’t insinuate that because my position is different from yours that I\’m some sort of ignorant, inhumane fascist. I want my children to inherit a livable world as well.
Al Gore ignored huge bodies of evidence showing that the earth would be warming anyway and that humanity has advanced that process by about a decade.
Apparently those facts were inconvenient to him.
I\’m sorry, but there is no debate in the scientific community that global warming exists. There is not one single example of a pier reviewed document that indicates global warming is a myth. I\’m not sure if people think there\’s a comspiracy in the scientific community or not, but I would ask any person that reads this to provide me with an example (and where I can locate this example) that a qualified individual worte and was reviewed that indicates this.
I\’m really not sure why there is so much resistance to the idea. This is not a new concept. We\’ve been talking about global warming for years. When you talk about natural trends in temperature shifts, we are now in an anomilous (sp?) situation. What exactly is the alterior motive for those who are \”pushing\” this theory? Who doesn\’t want to get better gas mileage, who does not want to have less pollution, who doesn\’t want there to be less health issues associated with pollution…? Did we forget the hole in the ozone layer? We can, though industry damage the planet.
I\’m just thankful that we are moving in a direction that, regardless of the attitudes on this site, to seriously look at this problem and come up with ideas that will correct it. Thankfully, your kind of thinking is in the minority.
Since you want to ride high on your facts, why don\’t you tell me why China and India were exempted from the Kyoto Protocol?
Mr. Recall,
So, because China and India aren\’t participating in Kyoto, that\’s your proof it doesn\’t exist??? What about the many, many other countries that do? Do you use the official policy of India and China to shape your views. I\’ve seen your posts on \”socialism\”, so I don\’t think that\’s the case.
Again, though, you don\’t have to believe it\’s true. The rest of us can fix it. And, when we have, you can sit back and say, \”see, it was all a myth.\” Ignorance is certainly bliss.
Ummmmmmmmmm,like a typical liberal, you did not answer my question. Want to try again?
And, as a typical Republican, you didn\’t listen. China and India are in full on growth mode. China is gobbling up resources like nobody\’s business. I seriously doubt that either of these countries would do anything to disrupt that growth they are currently experiencing. I don\’t know for a fact (do you?) why they have choose to ignore the facts and continue on the status quo. The next time I have a climate summit with them, I\’ll be sure to ask.
Yes, you are right. I can admit I am a Republican and damn proud of it. I also want to thank you for stepping in the doo I carefully laid out for you. I want to thank you for uncovering the truth, that China and India will not do anything that would hurt their economy. But, it is o.k. for the rest of the world to blame the U.S. for all environmental problems. So, the only solution is to destroy our economy. I want the same thing as you do, but I am not willing to have our country destroy its economy. Where is the fairness that liberals always talk about? Now, do you admit to being a liberal?
Ah, Mr. Recall, so clever. Why would you think I would be ashamed of being a liberal? Maybe you were out of the country on Nov 8th (maybe at one of those climate summits with China and India)
Anyway, back on point…so your argument is that regardless of the results, we should just continue to pollute and not look for better ways to do things? And more so, we should follow suit with the governments of China and India. How does looking for cleaning ways hurt us if in the long run we have more renewable resources? How does reducing our dependence on oil hurt us?
So, to sum up your argument…there is not global warming because China and India told us so, and we shouldn\’t look for cleaner solutions because China and India aren\’t.
Okie Dokie.
A very cursory search of the internet found at least two published articles in peer reviewed journals that disagree with the idea that global warming is the fault of humanity. I have attached information at the bottom.
I am not a professional researcher, and I am no longer a college student. Because of this, I do not have the time or desire to barrage you with examples.
However, I have shown your statement \”…not one single example of a pier reviewed document that indicates global warming is a myth.\” to be false.
You cannot simply state something is true, and wish for it to be so. There IS debate over the causes, and there IS debate over how much (if any) human beings have affected warming.
So again, I ask, why should I be subject to draconian legislation over this? Simply because you believe it to be so?
Robert Essenhigh, E.G. Bailey Professor of Energy Conservation in Ohio State\’s Department of Mechanical Engineering
Published in: Chemical Innovation, published by the American Chemical Society.
“…a study published in the prestigious journal Science, a team of scientists led by Howard Conway of the University of Washington say the Ice Sheet may be headed for a complete meltdown in a process that started thousands of years, and there is no evidence the rate is accelerating.”
Source: Associated Press, \”Melting of Antarctic Ice Sheet Is Linked to Ancient History,\” New York Times, October 12, 1999.
I understand what you\’re saying, but I don\’t believe you can rely on information from seven years ago. Much has been discovered since then and these same scientists may have, in fact, changed their minds. I don\’t know this to be true; I\’m just saying the information you have cited MAY have been proven incorrect in the last seven years.
I completely agree with your assessment, and I wouldn\’t rely on data that old either.
I simply pointed out that a fast desk-top search proved UW wrong. I do believe that a deep search of current scientific research would show that many scientists have questions about the origin and end result of the current warming phase.
I was responding to UW\’s assertion that no \”pier\” (peer) reviewed articles were out there. Clearly, that is not true. Just as clearly, if personal opinion is the extent of UW\’s research, we should (perhaps) re-evaluate the assertion that the american public should be fiscally and regulatorily punished for global warming.
If humanity is the prime cause, and this warming is not a natural swing, and the 5% of greenhouse gasses we emit is the tipping balance, then I will submit to the regulations and costs.
I\’ll be honest- I won\’t do it gladly, but I won\’t revolt either.
I\’m not complaining about the price of gasoline, am I? :D
Ive got no problem admitting it, I have a small penis.
Hey Mr Recall, I hear you!! Me too, I have a small penis also.
Holy…. it must be an epidemic.
As Darwin said, \”Survival for the fittest.\” Or, as Bush says, \”Let\’s just bomb them all & take the oil!\” Actually I prefer global warming than chilling my butt off the the Chicago winters. I won\’t miss the 20 below! I never argue when it\’s hotter than Hell! It was the winter that killed me…