What’s the difference whether we pay for coverage separately or as part of our annual tax bills? May as well eliminate the middle man and just nationalize coverage.
And, why should there be any limit on coverage or the types of treatments available to anyone?
Healthcare should not be a profitable enterprise. It should naturally spawn profitable enterprises – medical equipment innovators, etc., but, in the greatest country in the world, what ailment should not be treated? What sick or injured person should be turned away or mortgaged into the street?
Moron huh? Same costs either way – taxes or insurance premiums; with insurance carriers in the middle, at least 30 cents of every dollar being chewed up without providing healthcare of any nature.
You might have some basic skills that could be developed so you could find a productive role somewhere. Sort of a new concept or opportunity for you – producing something…
The $404 billion in medicare savings are actually $404 billion in medicare cuts… The other $500 billion to cover the cost comes from increased taxes on businesses and the middle class. Also, what happens from years 11 through 20. The first 10 years of increased taxes and 7 years of Obamacare are break even. What happens in year 11? This is a significant deficit, before you consider breaking the insurance companies with increased taxes, no pre-existing condition clauses and reduced corporate support. Once that’s occurred and we don’t have alternative insurance companies, then also have 100’s of thousands more unemployed from one sector alone.
Get a capitalist education Gork! You ARE a moron. I’d rather pay premium to a private, regulated business than taxes to the government any day of the week. As to profits…..that is what generates an investors (stockholder) ability to underwrite innovation and risk (investment capital). We’ll see what level of QUALITY and what level of PRODUCTIVITY socialism generates – as if we don’t have enough historical evidence already.
Go back to reading Marx you buffoon.
Gork, You seem to be running into a bit of a trap here. My senator has not been able to answer this question…maybe someone else is willing to jump in. Why is healthcare increasing at such a dramatic increase as compared to inflation…what are the specific factors? How have those issues been addressed in any of the proposed legislation? Doesn’t cutting medicare payments increase the cost to the rest of us that need to utilize the same healthcare system by passing those cost on to the rest of us? How is gutting medicare even more going to affect the rest of us? Seeing that the Gov’t is manipulating systems by passing laws that don’t address natural inherent issues scares the crap out of me. The current proposals are crap. Both sides need to take their special interest supporters needs off of the table and actually do some work…not pander to a specific biased base.
Good for you Benevolent One! You hit the nail on the head. Cost shifting by providers (to make a livable wage) to private (non-government) paying patients is the largest factor underlying medical inflation. The government (via medicare, medicaid, etc.) reimbursement rate for care is pathetic. It’s no wonder that doctors try to limit their medicare patient loads. Inevitably, quality of care is going to suffer. The best and the brightest will no longer enter medicine. Why would you?
The “bill” passed by the Senate Finance committee was nothing more than a conceptual framework, there is no written bill. What is there to compare and/or merge?
What do you beleive happens to that profit? Is it stored in a vault under someones home or maybe it’s invested in markets as capital used to hire employees or construct fixed assets?
People that get into the practice of medicine do it to make money. Being a doctor is one of the more respected jobs of society and the individuals that are good at it deserve to be compensated.
At the end of the day, the doctors didn’t spend close to 9-10 years of their lives to make a government salary, they got into the profession for the same reason anyone get into a profession: to make money. Plain and simple.
Telling us greed is ugly, well, welcome to Capitalism – the economic landscape that breeds greed but simultaneously breeds innovation and invention. Everyone is in it to make a buck and the government is no different. There is a reason they weren’t willing to accept TARP funds from the banks when the banks were willing to repay them.
In addition, I do have compassion for my fellow man, and it’s a sad day that we have to put a dollar amount on a human life. But that is life. I do feel bad for those people that have a terminal disease due to genetics and they drew the bad card, but don’t look for me to pay your doctor bills – we all have our own problems. Again, this is going to be a system like welfare where the people who are educated and willing to get jobs are going to pay for the people who are lazy and unwilling to do anything about it. There is no accountability for actions in this country, but there is an overwhelming sense of entitlement.
Thanks PETE. They say to follow the money to get at the root of anything right? Look at the tobacco suits we had a few years back. Last time I checked, cigarets were still cigarets and people were still smoking them. What changed and how can anyone say that was a victory…follow the money and where it went.
Has anyone called their doctor to inquiry about H1 shots? The office is reading from a script: “call your local CDC office and let them know your personal information: age, profession, location, etc, and they will inform you as to what group you are in for the shot, if you qualify.”
So lets think about this, the government is controlling the flu vaccine as we speak and they are already limiting who has access to it and when they can get it. Just think about when they are controlling your healthcare benefits.
Healthcare reform? Where? All I saw was addressing who is the provider, no one did anything about the root problem: costs. Reform the costs of healthcare not the payers.
You’re right. Your thoughts are bit distorted but, right. There is nothing wrong with capitalism. The problem comes into play when you have greedy CEO’s going about business unethically in order to make larger than normal profits.
Doctors, nurses, EMT’s ect. have every right to earn a living, a good living. It’s the insurance companies that are doing a diservice by eliminating or denying coverage for their insured’s. Or denying for pre-existing conditions.
I’ve said it before. Make a profit, make a huge profit. But do it ethically and affordably.
After so many years of trying to get ahead, I have come to one conclusion!
I QUIT!
I want all of you out there to:
Pay my mortgage
Pay my kids education.
Pay my healthcare
Pay my social security.
Pay my food stamps
Pay my kids food at the school cafeteria
Pay my clunker
Pay my unemployment
There that does it, I feel so much better now knowing that I am now taken care of.
If your among those that are on the poverty level or are just broke, you:
1. Have a mortgage to be paid.
2. Kids go to public (socialized) schools.
3. Are on Medicaide.
4. Ah, you might get social security.
5. Ok, food stamps are subsidized.
6. You’re broke remember – your kid is bringing their lunch from home.
7. You don’t have a clunker. You take the bus.
8. Your unemployment ran out because you suck to much and no one will hire you.
Why is that a bad thing to some? I have 25+ years of service to the industry and am fervently seeking re-employment. If I cannot find a job in the near future, should I be totally pennyless, unable to afford food and utilities and shelter? I have already lost my job and health insurance. Job market is rather bleak right now.
I sincerely hope no more IJ readers lose their jobs and that all unemployed IJ readers find gainful re-employment soon.
Seriously – since it was Wall Street and Government deregulation that put us in this mess. Yes, the dumbshits who signed on the dotted line for a subprime mortgages were no help either.
For a lot of the kids, these are the only meals they get all day.
And some parents can’t get it together enough to get their kids into school early enough to get their breakfast. The kids often eat their breakfast during first period class.
So it’s fun for some to scoff at the freeloaders I guess but kids learn better and exhibit better behavior when they are nourished.
There-in lies the problem……. ‘Some parents can’t get it together enough…….’
They can GET IT TOGETHER ENOUGH to spread their legs! I don’t want any more children……….so quit having them if you aren’t responsible enough to put yourself in a position to provide for them.
AND – regulators, etc. caused the current problems? CONGRESS CAUSES THE PROBLEM !!! PERIOD!!! READ THE CONSTITUTION !!! We’re up to our eyeballs in debt because of their ‘give away’ mentality – AND ONLY THEY HAVE THE CONSTITUTIONAL POWER TO CHANGE ANYTHING! Anybody who doesn’t exercise their constitutional right to vote every single one of them OUT is responsible for what is about to happen to this country, and therefore, to ALL of our children. TERM LIMITS NOW !!!!!!!!!
What’s the difference whether we pay for coverage separately or as part of our annual tax bills? May as well eliminate the middle man and just nationalize coverage.
And, why should there be any limit on coverage or the types of treatments available to anyone?
Healthcare should not be a profitable enterprise. It should naturally spawn profitable enterprises – medical equipment innovators, etc., but, in the greatest country in the world, what ailment should not be treated? What sick or injured person should be turned away or mortgaged into the street?
Greed is ugly…
Great idea, let’s just turn all business over to the government so it can be run properly comrade. What a moron.
Moron huh? Same costs either way – taxes or insurance premiums; with insurance carriers in the middle, at least 30 cents of every dollar being chewed up without providing healthcare of any nature.
You might have some basic skills that could be developed so you could find a productive role somewhere. Sort of a new concept or opportunity for you – producing something…
In the mess described above, I didn’t see anything about malpractice or tort reform for Doctors or hospitals.
The $404 billion in medicare savings are actually $404 billion in medicare cuts… The other $500 billion to cover the cost comes from increased taxes on businesses and the middle class. Also, what happens from years 11 through 20. The first 10 years of increased taxes and 7 years of Obamacare are break even. What happens in year 11? This is a significant deficit, before you consider breaking the insurance companies with increased taxes, no pre-existing condition clauses and reduced corporate support. Once that’s occurred and we don’t have alternative insurance companies, then also have 100’s of thousands more unemployed from one sector alone.
God help us!
Get a capitalist education Gork! You ARE a moron. I’d rather pay premium to a private, regulated business than taxes to the government any day of the week. As to profits…..that is what generates an investors (stockholder) ability to underwrite innovation and risk (investment capital). We’ll see what level of QUALITY and what level of PRODUCTIVITY socialism generates – as if we don’t have enough historical evidence already.
Go back to reading Marx you buffoon.
Gork, You seem to be running into a bit of a trap here. My senator has not been able to answer this question…maybe someone else is willing to jump in. Why is healthcare increasing at such a dramatic increase as compared to inflation…what are the specific factors? How have those issues been addressed in any of the proposed legislation? Doesn’t cutting medicare payments increase the cost to the rest of us that need to utilize the same healthcare system by passing those cost on to the rest of us? How is gutting medicare even more going to affect the rest of us? Seeing that the Gov’t is manipulating systems by passing laws that don’t address natural inherent issues scares the crap out of me. The current proposals are crap. Both sides need to take their special interest supporters needs off of the table and actually do some work…not pander to a specific biased base.
Good for you Benevolent One! You hit the nail on the head. Cost shifting by providers (to make a livable wage) to private (non-government) paying patients is the largest factor underlying medical inflation. The government (via medicare, medicaid, etc.) reimbursement rate for care is pathetic. It’s no wonder that doctors try to limit their medicare patient loads. Inevitably, quality of care is going to suffer. The best and the brightest will no longer enter medicine. Why would you?
The “bill” passed by the Senate Finance committee was nothing more than a conceptual framework, there is no written bill. What is there to compare and/or merge?
And do you propose such a system be kept efficient?
What do you beleive happens to that profit? Is it stored in a vault under someones home or maybe it’s invested in markets as capital used to hire employees or construct fixed assets?
Gork,
Your comments are outlandish.
People that get into the practice of medicine do it to make money. Being a doctor is one of the more respected jobs of society and the individuals that are good at it deserve to be compensated.
At the end of the day, the doctors didn’t spend close to 9-10 years of their lives to make a government salary, they got into the profession for the same reason anyone get into a profession: to make money. Plain and simple.
Telling us greed is ugly, well, welcome to Capitalism – the economic landscape that breeds greed but simultaneously breeds innovation and invention. Everyone is in it to make a buck and the government is no different. There is a reason they weren’t willing to accept TARP funds from the banks when the banks were willing to repay them.
In addition, I do have compassion for my fellow man, and it’s a sad day that we have to put a dollar amount on a human life. But that is life. I do feel bad for those people that have a terminal disease due to genetics and they drew the bad card, but don’t look for me to pay your doctor bills – we all have our own problems. Again, this is going to be a system like welfare where the people who are educated and willing to get jobs are going to pay for the people who are lazy and unwilling to do anything about it. There is no accountability for actions in this country, but there is an overwhelming sense of entitlement.
Greed may be ugly; but laziness is despicable.
Thanks PETE. They say to follow the money to get at the root of anything right? Look at the tobacco suits we had a few years back. Last time I checked, cigarets were still cigarets and people were still smoking them. What changed and how can anyone say that was a victory…follow the money and where it went.
Has anyone called their doctor to inquiry about H1 shots? The office is reading from a script: “call your local CDC office and let them know your personal information: age, profession, location, etc, and they will inform you as to what group you are in for the shot, if you qualify.”
So lets think about this, the government is controlling the flu vaccine as we speak and they are already limiting who has access to it and when they can get it. Just think about when they are controlling your healthcare benefits.
Healthcare reform? Where? All I saw was addressing who is the provider, no one did anything about the root problem: costs. Reform the costs of healthcare not the payers.
You’re right. Your thoughts are bit distorted but, right. There is nothing wrong with capitalism. The problem comes into play when you have greedy CEO’s going about business unethically in order to make larger than normal profits.
Doctors, nurses, EMT’s ect. have every right to earn a living, a good living. It’s the insurance companies that are doing a diservice by eliminating or denying coverage for their insured’s. Or denying for pre-existing conditions.
I’ve said it before. Make a profit, make a huge profit. But do it ethically and affordably.
After so many years of trying to get ahead, I have come to one conclusion!
I QUIT!
I want all of you out there to:
Pay my mortgage
Pay my kids education.
Pay my healthcare
Pay my social security.
Pay my food stamps
Pay my kids food at the school cafeteria
Pay my clunker
Pay my unemployment
There that does it, I feel so much better now knowing that I am now taken care of.
Wow! There’s brain power at work.
If your among those that are on the poverty level or are just broke, you:
1. Have a mortgage to be paid.
2. Kids go to public (socialized) schools.
3. Are on Medicaide.
4. Ah, you might get social security.
5. Ok, food stamps are subsidized.
6. You’re broke remember – your kid is bringing their lunch from home.
7. You don’t have a clunker. You take the bus.
8. Your unemployment ran out because you suck to much and no one will hire you.
Correcttion: 1. Have NO mortgage to be paid. You pay rent.
No not so fast Allan.
My mortgage is being recalculated and modified. Remember I quit my work.
If I do have to rent I will get that subsidized as well.
My Kids will eat breakfast and Lunch on your dime at the county school. Your dime.
Medicaid will be the same plan you are going to be on.
I will trade in my clunker for a nice car and you will pay me $5000. for it! Hurray.
Didnt you hear, My unemployment is being extended by Nancy and Harry. Thank goodness for them. Did I say thank you to you. I am sorry.
I cant wait to get my SEIU purple shirt and join Acorn and help prostitutes in my spare time now that I am retired at such a young age.
Umm….good luck with all that champ.
Why is that a bad thing to some? I have 25+ years of service to the industry and am fervently seeking re-employment. If I cannot find a job in the near future, should I be totally pennyless, unable to afford food and utilities and shelter? I have already lost my job and health insurance. Job market is rather bleak right now.
I sincerely hope no more IJ readers lose their jobs and that all unemployed IJ readers find gainful re-employment soon.
Seriously – since it was Wall Street and Government deregulation that put us in this mess. Yes, the dumbshits who signed on the dotted line for a subprime mortgages were no help either.
For a lot of the kids, these are the only meals they get all day.
And some parents can’t get it together enough to get their kids into school early enough to get their breakfast. The kids often eat their breakfast during first period class.
So it’s fun for some to scoff at the freeloaders I guess but kids learn better and exhibit better behavior when they are nourished.
There-in lies the problem……. ‘Some parents can’t get it together enough…….’
They can GET IT TOGETHER ENOUGH to spread their legs! I don’t want any more children……….so quit having them if you aren’t responsible enough to put yourself in a position to provide for them.
AND – regulators, etc. caused the current problems? CONGRESS CAUSES THE PROBLEM !!! PERIOD!!! READ THE CONSTITUTION !!! We’re up to our eyeballs in debt because of their ‘give away’ mentality – AND ONLY THEY HAVE THE CONSTITUTIONAL POWER TO CHANGE ANYTHING! Anybody who doesn’t exercise their constitutional right to vote every single one of them OUT is responsible for what is about to happen to this country, and therefore, to ALL of our children. TERM LIMITS NOW !!!!!!!!!