How Much Is a Dad Worth?

June 17, 2011

  • June 17, 2011 at 1:25 pm
    Jim says:
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    There is no such thing as a real man who is a stay at home Dad. They are either working or not. There is a real world and the world in which we would like it to be. Sorry but in the real world, Men work outside the home!

    • June 17, 2011 at 2:07 pm
      Man says:
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      Jim. What planet do you live on? Your certainty is bordering on the rediculous. The value of a stay-at-home parent is priceless. That’s the issue. It’s not what makes a “real man”. If you have a guy who’s wife is a lawyer earning big bucks and his trade is not as lucrative, it’s a sensible (but not always easy) decision to stay at home while his wife earns the money. I know of two such cases. These guys deserve a lot of credit as it takes guts to make that kind of decision. Any family who can swing the one parent works while the other is home is very lucky.

      • June 17, 2011 at 4:21 pm
        Jim says:
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        Sorry Man! he doesnt get my respect. I am with Sarah on this one. I would rather meet my wife in her nighty at the door, than the other way around. Too funny.

    • June 17, 2011 at 2:12 pm
      chuck says:
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      So a man who works from home (and makes decent money) and can handle taking care of his child at the same time doesn’t qualify? Lots of people work from home on laptops now.

      • June 17, 2011 at 2:20 pm
        Jim says:
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        Obviously working from home is different from not working.

      • June 17, 2011 at 5:16 pm
        DP says:
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        thats different, he’s still working

  • June 17, 2011 at 1:41 pm
    Sarah says:
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    I have thought about this, and come to the conclusion that I would not want to be married to a stay at home Dad. I just couldnt be married to a guy who has no drive to earn a living, stays home and contributes nothing financial to the house. Call me what you wish, Maybe I am old fashioned. I believe that somethings shouldnt change.

    • June 17, 2011 at 2:09 pm
      Really? says:
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      Sarah. Really. How many kids do you have? If you have none, you have no idea what you are talking about.

      • June 17, 2011 at 4:13 pm
        Sarah says:
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        2 kids 13 and 15

    • June 17, 2011 at 2:11 pm
      Hank says:
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      I don’t mind you saying you wouldn’t want to be married to a stay at home dad. That’s your choice. But are you really saying a stay at home dad has “no drive to earn a living… and contributes nothing financial to the house”? Wow! Imagine the backlash a man would receive if he made those same comments about a stay at home mom! Either way, they are wrong. Raising / taking care of children is a very difficult job, one that I wouldn’t want to do on a daily basis. Props to any man or woman who does that! And stay at home parents may not be earning a paycheck, but they are doing jobs that you would otherwise have to pay someone to do. Doesn’t that count for something?

      • June 17, 2011 at 2:17 pm
        Sarah says:
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        I being a mother of two, of which I stayed home for the first 7 years of their lives and at every ball game and took to ballet lessons as well, parent teacher conferences, etc. I am just saying that there are certain attributes that both women and men feel are attractive. If a man can not work or cannot find a job, then fine. We all understand certain circumstances, but a guy who wants to stay at home while I work, Sorry just lost all respect and also my sex drive just took a dive as well. Sorry about the reality of the matter but its just a fact with me. I can not speak for all women, but I am not attracted to you anymore. Be a man and step up and be somebody. Call me old fashioned.

        • June 17, 2011 at 2:22 pm
          D says:
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          Sarah. It’s not old fashioned to have a problem with lazy people. I don’t think that is what the article was about.

        • June 17, 2011 at 2:27 pm
          Sarah says:
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          BTW, When I stayed home, I fixed dinner every night, cleaned the house and entertained the kids and their friends and we had a great time. When my husband came home let me just say he was happy with the arrangement as well. It works. If it were the other way around. Hmmmmmm…. I have to admit, I do not think that either of us would have been happy with it. Men and Women are different, it is a fact that alot of people are uncomfortable with. I agree with same work, same pay. But we are different and we have different skills.

        • June 17, 2011 at 2:34 pm
          Hank says:
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          You can be attracted to whomever you want. Whatever attributes float your boat is your deal. I have no issue with that. But to imply that at a stay at home dad is not a man, is not worthy of your respect and needs to “step up and be somebody” is very insulting to stay at home dads.

          • June 17, 2011 at 3:43 pm
            Sarah says:
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            Sorry Hank, but if you are a stay at home dad by choice, who does not work, then I say step up and be somebody your kids can respect and your wife can find attractive. Get a job!

        • June 17, 2011 at 5:19 pm
          DP says:
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          I was in that situation for a year, it was an awful feeling…it was hard to “get into him” until he got an out of house job.

        • June 20, 2011 at 1:50 pm
          Ralph Kramden says:
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          I wouldn’t call you old fashioned. I’d call you closed minded, idiotic, and self centered, but not old fashioned.

      • June 17, 2011 at 2:20 pm
        D says:
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        Hank. It’s obvious the posts you refer to are from people who don’t have kids.

        • June 17, 2011 at 3:48 pm
          Sarah says:
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          I have two kids D, by a father who works and paid the bills while I raised the kids at home and I respect him for it. I showed him respect and love in many ways, the whole time he supported his family. He satisfied my needs to be a Mom and I his in being a man who supported his family. Now we both work because it is very hard to make a living in these very uncertain and terrible economic times we live.

        • June 17, 2011 at 5:22 pm
          DP says:
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          I have kids, I don’t like the idea of a man staying home, regardless of no job or not, get off your butt and pound the pavement until you find a job, thats more attractive.

  • June 17, 2011 at 1:55 pm
    Modern Girl says:
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    I don’t know how anyone with any self esteem stays home while someone else supports them. A few years off when the kids are young is fine, but there are many women who make a career out of being a stay-at-home mom even after the kids are grown.

    • June 17, 2011 at 3:57 pm
      Sarah says:
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      I agree Modern, I could not stay home and do nothing. I couldnt wait to get back to work. I am just glad my husband didnt quit when I did go back to work. LOL….

  • June 17, 2011 at 2:05 pm
    Bill says:
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    A man who will not work is useless!

    Any guy who lets his girl pay the bills is not worthy of respect.

    • June 17, 2011 at 2:15 pm
      Agent says:
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      I would amend the statement that any man who doesn’t seek active employment and is using his 99 weeks, doing the food stamp deal, drawing benefits from the government and believes in the nanny state is pretty much useless. Girly guys are almost always liberal and are Obama voters because they know how to work the system.

  • June 17, 2011 at 2:21 pm
    Terri says:
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    I saw nothing in this article that said the stay-at-home dads WOULD not work. Perhaps economically it makes more sense for the dad to stay at home and the mom to work. Why should the family have to suffer financially just so the dad can prove he’s a man when the mom can get a better job, make more money, and doesn’t mind doing so? This is a decision that has to be made by both parents, considering all factors of the personal situation.

    Bill, I agree with the first part of your statement. A man who will not work is useless. Personally, I think if you have a man who doesn’t WANT to work, they probably don’t WANT to be taking care of your babies either. Put your kids in daycare and kick him to the curb!

    • June 17, 2011 at 4:05 pm
      Sarah says:
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      LOL Terri, Yes kick is a*s to the curb! The problem I have, and I am being honest here. I could not go to work and come home to my husband on the couch, kids screaming and a frozen pizza in the oven. Trust me that is a very good discription of a stay at home Dad is.

      • June 17, 2011 at 5:57 pm
        Agent says:
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        Sarah, We are living in different times now and the pressure on families is immense financially. With the true jobless rate at close to 20%, people are getting desperate. That is why there is so much anger expressed on any subject. I think the Progressives are very happy to see a divided nation. They will keep pushing their nanny state and promise to take care of everyone from cradle to grave. If people get a taste of entitlements, they gradually lose self respect and don’t think they have to look for work and all will be well. It is easier to stay at home when you have that assistance coming in every month. Over 50% of the population does not pay Federal Income Tax and 43 million on food stamps. Where are we going to find a work ethic in this country again?

      • June 20, 2011 at 2:38 pm
        Ralph Kramden says:
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        How do you know what a very good description of a stay at home dad is? There are stay at home moms that are just as bad, or worse than that description, I’m sure..yet, since they are stay at home MOMS and not DADS, there’s a difference? You make no sense in anything that you post.

  • June 17, 2011 at 2:43 pm
    Happy Dad says:
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    I am writing this email from my office. It is located in my house. My 2.5 yr old is napping probably for the next hour or so, so I can catch up on some business which thanks to the recession is already all done, so now I am checking my IJ as I do most days. Happy father’s day to all you other dads out there reading this! I am not a stay at home dad but I would have no problem filling that role if needs be. She is in daycare most days but ran a fever today so I had to stay home with her. My wife loves that I have the flexibility of the sales position and am able to work from home, but does not support the thought of me giving up my commute and lonely office job for the same job with no commute.

    She is a nurse at a very busy ortho practice and it is against their corporate culture to take days off, so when there is a snow day, holiday or other closeure of the daycare, it is myself who answers the call. I enjoy spending the time with my kid but couldn’t imagine doing it all day, every day. Working from home though i could very easily imagine that. I think it might be the answer to many of our societie’s ills, actually.

    For those of you saying it is old fashioned to think a woman’s place is in the home and a man’s is out there slaying sabre-toothed tigers you are completely right – that is a very old-fashioned and biased way to look at things.

    Technology affords many folks the ability to work from wherever and if your job does not involve standing behind a register (retail) or moving boxes around or walking around a hospital, I feel as though more people should work from home. Getting rid of a % of commuter traffic would be good for our infastructure and lessen our dependence on foreign oil. Days I work from home I typically put in an extra hour or two and studies have shown that that is true for most people who do. The article was really about what Dad’s efforts ammount to nowadays as opposed to years past. At the agency where I work, the owner has an internet phone system that will ring a phone in my office (the one at my house and a clone in the actual office-office) and I can transfer to all my co-workers and intercom as if I was actually there. So fwe people actually physically visit our office anymore (most of our business is done ove rthe phone, internet, or fax and the occasional meeting often takes place at the client’s home or business).

    It is kind of sad that Dada can pick up many more homefront responsibilities and not get any accolades. If you ask me Dad is another piece of the puzzle. If you are the outdated dad who works 9 hours a day and spends an hour in the car commuting either way, your family probably misses you.

    • June 17, 2011 at 4:10 pm
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      I like your post Happy. With Technology and home based jobs that can be done, the society has changed. Both husband and wife have to work these days to make ends meet and they have to be flexible with their parenting responsibilities. I only have issue with the lazy bums out there being supported by the spouse, have no ambition and are on the dole.

      • June 17, 2011 at 4:30 pm
        Happy Dad says:
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        I’ll drink to that. The article was written along the same vein as the life insurance discussion that is designed to replace a housewife’s “salary” aka the assortment of jobs that would cost upwards of 60k per year to replace. It is a valid insurance argument and the sexist spin that others on this board are taking it in is kind of a shock to me. I know we are typically a conservative group, but the concept of building family and economic scrutiny usually are easy to identify with. Put a pair of slacks on mom and an apron on dad and up go the red flags!

  • June 17, 2011 at 4:28 pm
    Bill says:
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    I being a Man see nothing good in staying home with kids and taking care of them all day and when they nap, I get to watch a little TV maybe catch Oprah or a good Soap Opera.(If they still exist) Comon Man! NOPE, NOT FOR ME!

  • June 19, 2011 at 9:32 pm
    Zoe says:
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    I agree with Jim. Changing times or not. You have to stay with the role of why men were created. Men were not created to stay at home with the children. Now with the changing times women may have to leave the home and work too, but not to take the place of men. God is the answer, not the things of this world.

    God Bless!

  • June 20, 2011 at 2:33 am
    tony goss says:
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    I am a stay at home dad and I have few things to say, I live between the jail and the courthouse and everyday I watch as 2 or 3 buses go by my house full of teens, and I can bet you that these kids came from single parents homes or from homes where the parents worked all the time or maybe the dad not around much so mom has to do the raising the kids . These day require both parent and if both not around it takes the strongest and the smartest, and not saying woman are not neither but these buses have female on them as well. To be honest about all this… all the tradition or parenting is gone tv has won, so if it takes a dad to stay home and raise his kids and he do it well then let it be, because these days it hard to find good kids in America from America white or black.

  • June 20, 2011 at 9:17 am
    BLB says:
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    I know a few couples where she has a very high paying job, he didn’t make as much and he is the stay at home parent for the kids. Also, both my husband and I work. He hurt himself and was off work for 6 weeks. I LOVED those weeks. I came home and the house was clean, supper was made. It was fantastic!!!

    • June 20, 2011 at 10:14 am
      Sarah says:
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      BLB, what if he never went back to work and everyday you came home and it was like that forever? Soon the dishes start to pile up, and a frozen pizza waiting for you with a note that says, went golfing with my buddies and will be home after a few drinks with the guys. LOL…. NOT FOR ME!

      • June 20, 2011 at 10:31 am
        Hank says:
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        Sarah,
        I will give you this. Your igorance is extremely entertaining. The picture you paint of stay at home dads is one of dishes in the sink, kids screaming, golfing and frozen pizza in the oven. Very stereotypical. What do you think of the stereotypes of stay at home moms? Sitting on the couch, eating bon-bons, talking on the phone, watching Oprah? Is that accurate?

        There happens to be a town called Bliss where I live. Any chance you live there? Are we practically neighbors?

        • June 20, 2011 at 1:06 pm
          Why Bother says:
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          Well said Hank!

          Sara – it is nice to see that there are still people out there perpetuating gender bias! Remember that it is 2011 and not the 1950’s.

      • June 20, 2011 at 3:58 pm
        Ralph Kramden says:
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        Does your husband know that you are this narrow-minded, Sarah?

  • June 20, 2011 at 9:41 am
    Cee says:
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    Let me just say Happy Father’s Day to all dad’s involved in their children’s lives. Both dad and mom are priceless to their child(ren)’s life. They each offer very different things to their child’s life and thank God for both.

  • June 20, 2011 at 10:57 am
    K says:
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    Why is this even insurance news?

  • June 20, 2011 at 11:08 am
    Always Amazed says:
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    I would like to know what salary the powers that be who wrote this article would come up with for a stay-at-home mother? I bet it would be a lot less then the stay at home dad’s salary.

  • June 20, 2011 at 2:06 pm
    GregCW says:
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    K says:
    Why is this even insurance news?

    In reading the capition “How Much Is a Dad Worth?”, I think it would that he does have a need for and to establish how great his need is for life insurance. In reading most of the posts here they appear to be making a different value judgment. I think that the real question is what dollar amount would it take to replace his contribution to the household either in income lost or the cost to replace his contribution.

    I do agree that most of the comments got completely off track while some, but not all, of the responses were on that track. Most of them were just bashing stay-at-home dads. Which was probably begun by the first responder, Jim who is now hidden because of 43, and still growing, dis-likes. One of those dis-likes was mine.

    As agents our job is not to approve of personal values or impose our values on the customer, but to determine the customers insurance needs based on THEIR personal values.

  • June 20, 2011 at 2:10 pm
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    You are all funny – My husband was injured in a motorcycle wreck 6 years ago. He is a permanent stay home dad when he used to be the primary bread winner. He takes awesome care of our family, even though I am the one who works full time. What he does at home supports me in my work outside the home. I never think less of him because our roles have changed. I’m blessed to still have him in my life. Get over yourselves and you outdated stereotypes!

  • June 20, 2011 at 4:15 pm
    Betsy says:
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    Sarah – you say “I can’t speak for all women” so don’t – shut up. We are tired of your tirade.

    A working Mom

  • June 20, 2011 at 4:56 pm
    Hillsborough agent says:
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    This was the best IJ comments section EVER!!

    • June 20, 2011 at 5:01 pm
      Agent says:
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      I can’t believe the number of comments on this since it is not even an insurance article. One would think we were commenting on the Obamacare fiasco. Hang in there Sarah! You have more support than you think.

  • June 20, 2011 at 6:13 pm
    kislodi says:
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    Everyone is forgetting the kids! If mom can make more and support the family what is wrong with kids having a least one parent available. No one cares more! I was a single mom and feel my kids missed out on certain activities because I wasn’t there when I wanted to be!

  • June 21, 2011 at 1:59 pm
    Cheri says:
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    To all the men reading Sarah’s posts and are concerned that helping around the house will not truly be “appreciated” by your wives/girlfriends, etc….I promise you there is nothing hotter or sexier than a man cooking dinner, vacuuming, changing the kids diaper or folding laundry. Throw on an apron and you may as well have bought her flowers and chardonnay!

    • June 21, 2011 at 2:35 pm
      Agent says:
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      I agree with the part about cooking a good dinner for the working wife, but I fail to see the part about a man wearing an apron and folding laundry as hotter or sexier. Perhaps if he invited her to a joint shower I could agree.

    • June 21, 2011 at 3:50 pm
      Hillsborough agent says:
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      Of course, Cheri means that you do all that AFTER you get home from work!

  • June 24, 2011 at 1:51 pm
    Kurt says:
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    Wow, Sara really has a a low opinion of men. I wonder why she is married to one. Maybe she should change teams. Or maybe it’s that her husband would let the dishes pile up with frozen pizza in the oven, which doesn’t say much about him, or her ability to find good a good man. There are sooooo many men out there that would do just as good a job as most women with the staying at home. And for all those who say “get a real job”, have you ever tried staying at home to raise kids, I haven’t, but I could imagine it’s a heck of a LOT harder than escaping to the office everyday.

  • June 27, 2011 at 10:38 am
    Sarah says:
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    I am seeing that there alot of boys out there, very few real men. Go ahead and stay at home with your kids and let your wife support you. Yeah, Your a real man! LOL…… Pull up your panties and go to work.

  • June 27, 2011 at 10:55 am
    Sarah says:
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    Sure any woman would love to see her husband help out around the house, and yes I would be attracted to a man who would occationally do something instead of sitting on the couch. But I can say that I as well as most of my friends would not be attracted to a stay at home dad, while mom works. Sorry no respect!

  • June 27, 2011 at 11:22 am
    Cindy says:
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    Sarah,
    I understand where your coming from, but a guy who works around the house, dishes, laundry etc. That is very nice when you have worked all day. It takes two incomes these days and it should be expected that both do the chores.

    A total stay at home Dad, I dont think so! I agree. Does not excite me at all. If anybody is staying home with the kids it would be me.

    • June 27, 2011 at 11:50 am
      DP says:
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      thats totally correct

  • June 27, 2011 at 1:49 pm
    Pam says:
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    I am surprised at the women insulting stay at home dads in these comments. We are supposed to be working toward sexual equality. Shame on you for acting like a woman who decides to stay home is somehow harder working, more appealing and/or generally better than a man that decides the same thing.

  • June 27, 2011 at 2:09 pm
    nda159 says:
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    Ignorance must be bliss since I see a lot of it here. Chastising people who live differently then yourself is clearly a lack of human consideration. We’re all different and we should applaud that difference, because that’s what makes us what we are. Let’s show some consideration here whether you like how the other person lives or not.



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